Barcia bike issue.

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wrvaughn7 1/20/2021 9:51am
1/20/2021 9:51am Edited Date/Time 1/20/2021 9:51am
It appears to have broken through the hole for the shaft. Definitely nothin to grab onto and shift by hand.
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-MAVERICK- 1/20/2021 10:06am
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wrvaughn7 wrote:
It appears to have broken through the hole for the shaft. Definitely nothin to grab onto and shift by hand. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/01/20/473894/s1200_0DF15964_F13D_423A_A842_6F095081D514.jpg[/img]
It appears to have broken through the hole for the shaft. Definitely nothin to grab onto and shift by hand.
Did they say what happened? Chinese aluminum? Grinning

That sucks.
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G-man 1/20/2021 10:09am
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"Did they say what happened? Chinese aluminum? grin " Laughing Cheerful
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wrvaughn7 1/20/2021 10:10am
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Did they say what happened? Chinese aluminum? Grinning

That sucks.
I haven’t found anything that says the actual cause beyond speculation. They way it appears bent in that picture I’m not sure that isn’t a drilled hole for lightening instead of the splines, but again that is pure speculation.
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kkawboy14 1/20/2021 10:10am
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His first gear might be our second gear!
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GrapeApe 1/20/2021 10:14am
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Unfortunately this can be expected with a brand new unproven and untested motorcycle. I'm sure their engineers in Spain are already working on a fix.
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ASV unbreakable shifter in the works!
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G-man 1/20/2021 10:45am
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GrapeApe wrote:
Unfortunately this can be expected with a brand new unproven and untested motorcycle. I'm sure their engineers in Spain are already working on a fix.
Huh? Spain...

Where's your SARCASM ALERT!!!! Laughing
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jorgechavez 1/20/2021 11:11am
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Do we know how it broke? I know it sounds crazy since we're talking about Barcia here but I'm guessing it was from making unnecessary contact with someone.
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JJO741 1/20/2021 11:12am
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That’s pretty incredible he went as fast as he did and finished where he did in first gear, on a professional supercross track.
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kiwifan 1/20/2021 11:30am
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Looks like it happened on lap 22 out of 29, if it happened a lot earlier then he probably would of dropped more positions, so 7 laps not too bad. I do find it hard to believe it was in 1st gear though, watching and listening to it going around the track towards the end, but hey just my humble opinion
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MDana87 1/20/2021 12:16pm
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A little would'a, could'a, should'a Wednesday morning quarterbacking here, but maybe we see a small hole drilled just rearward of the tip pivot and a brake snake to the frame Saturday night to deal with the Austrian owned Spanish use of Chinese recycled cast aluminum?
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Kevin852 1/20/2021 12:22pm
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jorgechavez wrote:
Do we know how it broke? I know it sounds crazy since we're talking about Barcia here but I'm guessing it was from making unnecessary contact...
Do we know how it broke? I know it sounds crazy since we're talking about Barcia here but I'm guessing it was from making unnecessary contact with someone.
Barcia said he got off line and hit some tuff blocks and that is where it broke.
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seth505 1/20/2021 1:05pm
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GrapeApe wrote:
Unfortunately this can be expected with a brand new unproven and untested motorcycle. I'm sure their engineers in Spain are already working on a fix.


PS- I believe it in regards to the shifter, it sure looked like his front was dipping over rhythm sections with no real manipulation.
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ZOBITO 1/20/2021 1:24pm
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DonM wrote:
To be fair Dungey had some of the shifter to grab while Barcia just had shaft as the entire shifter was torn off...
Haven't seen any pictures.
If you're correct, sure didn't help.

Ages ago, my KTM shifter fell off altogether. Hit something and broke the bolt into the shaft, not much left to do...
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jorgechavez 1/20/2021 1:51pm
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Kevin852 wrote:
Barcia said he got off line and hit some tuff blocks and that is where it broke.
I stand corrected, thanks for the info. Like I said I was guessing, and based on history I didn't think it was a bad guess.
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Kevin852 1/20/2021 2:27pm
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Kevin852 wrote:
Barcia said he got off line and hit some tuff blocks and that is where it broke.
jorgechavez wrote:
I stand corrected, thanks for the info. Like I said I was guessing, and based on history I didn't think it was a bad guess.
oh the smart money was on rider to rider contact for sure Laughing
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ctbale 1/20/2021 4:53pm
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I replayed the stsrt a few times, some banging in the first turn. Wonder if it got wacked there? Looks like it fell off with less then 3 mins to go. He just started going backwards on the position board real fast. Actually lucky it didnt happen early. Still got some good points and with kenny getting docked, I think he gets the red plate for Saturday? Crazy racing tues for sure.
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Roostermx58 1/21/2021 6:28am
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jorgechavez wrote:
Do we know how it broke? I know it sounds crazy since we're talking about Barcia here but I'm guessing it was from making unnecessary contact...
Do we know how it broke? I know it sounds crazy since we're talking about Barcia here but I'm guessing it was from making unnecessary contact with someone.
Kevin852 wrote:
Barcia said he got off line and hit some tuff blocks and that is where it broke.
This just doesn't make sense to me.

If it broke that early, why wouldn't he come into the pits?

It takes all of ~30 seconds to remove what's left of the old shifter and put a new shifter on? Considering those pit carts have about everything on them, you would think they have a small part like levers and shifters?
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Dirty Points 1/21/2021 6:45am
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Roostermx58 wrote:
This just doesn't make sense to me. If it broke that early, why wouldn't he come into the pits? It takes all of ~30 seconds to...
This just doesn't make sense to me.

If it broke that early, why wouldn't he come into the pits?

It takes all of ~30 seconds to remove what's left of the old shifter and put a new shifter on? Considering those pit carts have about everything on them, you would think they have a small part like levers and shifters?
If it only takes 30 seconds to remove and put a new shifter on (which I have my doubts, situationally), he still made the right decision.

He finished 25.7 seconds out of the win. A 30 sec stop would have dropped him minimally 2 positions from where he finished (Wilson and Osborne were both under 30 sec from the lead), and that's generously giving that he was going to easily beat Eli otherwise.
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Press516 1/21/2021 6:47am
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jorgechavez wrote:
Do we know how it broke? I know it sounds crazy since we're talking about Barcia here but I'm guessing it was from making unnecessary contact...
Do we know how it broke? I know it sounds crazy since we're talking about Barcia here but I'm guessing it was from making unnecessary contact with someone.
Kevin852 wrote:
Barcia said he got off line and hit some tuff blocks and that is where it broke.
Roostermx58 wrote:
This just doesn't make sense to me. If it broke that early, why wouldn't he come into the pits? It takes all of ~30 seconds to...
This just doesn't make sense to me.

If it broke that early, why wouldn't he come into the pits?

It takes all of ~30 seconds to remove what's left of the old shifter and put a new shifter on? Considering those pit carts have about everything on them, you would think they have a small part like levers and shifters?
There was a notable change in his lap times beginning on lap 22... It wasn't early, it was around 7 laps to go.
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Roostermx58 1/21/2021 6:50am
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Kevin852 wrote:
Barcia said he got off line and hit some tuff blocks and that is where it broke.
Roostermx58 wrote:
This just doesn't make sense to me. If it broke that early, why wouldn't he come into the pits? It takes all of ~30 seconds to...
This just doesn't make sense to me.

If it broke that early, why wouldn't he come into the pits?

It takes all of ~30 seconds to remove what's left of the old shifter and put a new shifter on? Considering those pit carts have about everything on them, you would think they have a small part like levers and shifters?
Press516 wrote:
There was a notable change in his lap times beginning on lap 22... It wasn't early, it was around 7 laps to go.
Gocha - Figured Barcia was over exaggerating when he said it broke in the first turn.
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JMX82 1/21/2021 7:49am
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Jardo wrote:
I cannot imagine doing anything on a track in 1st gear.
G-man wrote:
I thought the Factory Trans are completely different for SX than us average Joe's and have only 3 or 4 gears.
Three speed factory gearbox is my guess too. European version has already 4 speed gearbox and I would guess that would be only logical to remove first gear for saving weight because it won't get used anyways
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mac3-d 1/21/2021 8:00am
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did the tuff block 'block pass' him the corner before & the gear shifter brake in retaliation the next corner Woohoo
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Turbojez 1/21/2021 8:06am
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DonM wrote:
To be fair Dungey had some of the shifter to grab while Barcia just had shaft as the entire shifter was torn off...
He could have at least tried to grab the shaft mid air

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TriRacer27 1/21/2021 8:08am
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jorgechavez wrote:
Do we know how it broke? I know it sounds crazy since we're talking about Barcia here but I'm guessing it was from making unnecessary contact...
Do we know how it broke? I know it sounds crazy since we're talking about Barcia here but I'm guessing it was from making unnecessary contact with someone.
Kevin852 wrote:
Barcia said he got off line and hit some tuff blocks and that is where it broke.
Roostermx58 wrote:
This just doesn't make sense to me. If it broke that early, why wouldn't he come into the pits? It takes all of ~30 seconds to...
This just doesn't make sense to me.

If it broke that early, why wouldn't he come into the pits?

It takes all of ~30 seconds to remove what's left of the old shifter and put a new shifter on? Considering those pit carts have about everything on them, you would think they have a small part like levers and shifters?
It would probably take closer to 1 minute, but even if it was 30 sec, on a 45 sec track, you're almost a lap down right away.

If you look at Eli's lap chart, he averaged 44.00. Barcia averaged 44.78. They did 29 laps so, assuming having a shifter would have given Barcia enough of an edge to be on Eli's pace, they would've had to change it in no more than 22.6 seconds just to be even, and probably less because he wouldn't have come in on lap 0.

Barcia only finished 25 seconds behind Eli. If he had stopped, he would've had to pass 13 riders just to get back to 9th where he finished, and how much would passing them have further slowed him down?

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Brent 1/21/2021 8:43am
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Needs a brake snake on that lever for next round , those face ruts are deep...
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Jardo wrote:
I cannot imagine doing anything on a track in 1st gear.
G-man wrote:
I thought the Factory Trans are completely different for SX than us average Joe's and have only 3 or 4 gears.
JMX82 wrote:
Three speed factory gearbox is my guess too. European version has already 4 speed gearbox and I would guess that would be only logical to remove...
Three speed factory gearbox is my guess too. European version has already 4 speed gearbox and I would guess that would be only logical to remove first gear for saving weight because it won't get used anyways
So, technically first gear is second. Didn’t even think of that.
Boomslang 1/21/2021 8:54am
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GrapeApe wrote:
Unfortunately this can be expected with a brand new unproven and untested motorcycle. I'm sure their engineers in Spain are already working on a fix.
The gear lever is identical to the ktm and husqy, it was just damn bad luck that it broke off.
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Boomslang 1/21/2021 8:57am
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Brent wrote:
Needs a brake snake on that lever for next round , those face ruts are deep...
A face rut won't break a gear shifter off, he most likely got tagged by another rider.
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