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4DAIVIPAI2K5 12/14/2020 7:39pm
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4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:
Mount I made up for my son just last week. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/465449/s1200_20201207_164027.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/465447/s1200_20201207_164043.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/465450/s1200_20201206_144421.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/465451/s1200_20201206_144407.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/465448/s1200_20201206_144413.jpg[/img]
Mount I made up for my son just last week.




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If you radius all your corner and get rid of square edges its stronger and will never crack.
Flat piece of old steel, angle grinder, a drill, and some spray paint is all I had to work with. If you can't tell Im a master of none of those things lol.

My step father ran the water jet for a company before they shut down. If that was still a thing, it woulda turned out a lot cooler lol.
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4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:
Mount I made up for my son just last week. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/465449/s1200_20201207_164027.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/465447/s1200_20201207_164043.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/465450/s1200_20201206_144421.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/465451/s1200_20201206_144407.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/465448/s1200_20201206_144413.jpg[/img]
Mount I made up for my son just last week.




numbers wrote:
If you radius all your corner and get rid of square edges its stronger and will never crack.
4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:
Flat piece of old steel, angle grinder, a drill, and some spray paint is all I had to work with. If you can't tell Im a...
Flat piece of old steel, angle grinder, a drill, and some spray paint is all I had to work with. If you can't tell Im a master of none of those things lol.

My step father ran the water jet for a company before they shut down. If that was still a thing, it woulda turned out a lot cooler lol.
I think it looks great. Was just saying what would have been said to me if I showed it to my machinist buddy. I like hand made stuff. It all use to be that way. If you dont already have a set. Step bits work great on thin steel.
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Ok nobody has answered the question what exactly is this meant to prevent or help??
Because if you crash hard enough the gopro breaks off or tilts, i experienced this recently. And mine bent and shutoff upon impact.

How does mounting a 3m sticky thing on the outside of the helmet mess with the integrity of the helmet? Does this mean the helmet was inferior before attaching the gopro.

What are the mounting alternatives? Chest mounts are not going to work with a chest protector. Has anybody created one?

Or

Is this to stop people from monitizing their own content out at the amateur races because the ama does not get any profit from that.

Something is very very afoul with this rule change, and no answers are given.....

Why dont people say we did this because of this and this is the alternative.. because from my point of view, this has something to do with money and or content being put out that somebody doesn't like or cant make money from.

Rarely is it safety because they still haven't mandated basic safety equipment like a got damn chest protector.
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Motodave15 wrote:
Ok nobody has answered the question what exactly is this meant to prevent or help?? Because if you crash hard enough the gopro breaks off or...
Ok nobody has answered the question what exactly is this meant to prevent or help??
Because if you crash hard enough the gopro breaks off or tilts, i experienced this recently. And mine bent and shutoff upon impact.

How does mounting a 3m sticky thing on the outside of the helmet mess with the integrity of the helmet? Does this mean the helmet was inferior before attaching the gopro.

What are the mounting alternatives? Chest mounts are not going to work with a chest protector. Has anybody created one?

Or

Is this to stop people from monitizing their own content out at the amateur races because the ama does not get any profit from that.

Something is very very afoul with this rule change, and no answers are given.....

Why dont people say we did this because of this and this is the alternative.. because from my point of view, this has something to do with money and or content being put out that somebody doesn't like or cant make money from.

Rarely is it safety because they still haven't mandated basic safety equipment like a got damn chest protector.
I sense a little hostility in your typing good sir. May i advise a cold beverage to take the edge off.
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bigk218 12/14/2020 8:17pm
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Are helmets tested with goggles?
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Motodave15 wrote:
Ok nobody has answered the question what exactly is this meant to prevent or help?? Because if you crash hard enough the gopro breaks off or...
Ok nobody has answered the question what exactly is this meant to prevent or help??
Because if you crash hard enough the gopro breaks off or tilts, i experienced this recently. And mine bent and shutoff upon impact.

How does mounting a 3m sticky thing on the outside of the helmet mess with the integrity of the helmet? Does this mean the helmet was inferior before attaching the gopro.

What are the mounting alternatives? Chest mounts are not going to work with a chest protector. Has anybody created one?

Or

Is this to stop people from monitizing their own content out at the amateur races because the ama does not get any profit from that.

Something is very very afoul with this rule change, and no answers are given.....

Why dont people say we did this because of this and this is the alternative.. because from my point of view, this has something to do with money and or content being put out that somebody doesn't like or cant make money from.

Rarely is it safety because they still haven't mandated basic safety equipment like a got damn chest protector.
The AMA does not care if amateur racers make money off helmet cam videos. If that was their concern, they would ban all on board cameras. Banning them is not going to put money in their pocket.

The conspiracy in some of you is off the charts.
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bigk218 12/14/2020 11:07pm
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Motodave15 wrote:
Ok nobody has answered the question what exactly is this meant to prevent or help?? Because if you crash hard enough the gopro breaks off or...
Ok nobody has answered the question what exactly is this meant to prevent or help??
Because if you crash hard enough the gopro breaks off or tilts, i experienced this recently. And mine bent and shutoff upon impact.

How does mounting a 3m sticky thing on the outside of the helmet mess with the integrity of the helmet? Does this mean the helmet was inferior before attaching the gopro.

What are the mounting alternatives? Chest mounts are not going to work with a chest protector. Has anybody created one?

Or

Is this to stop people from monitizing their own content out at the amateur races because the ama does not get any profit from that.

Something is very very afoul with this rule change, and no answers are given.....

Why dont people say we did this because of this and this is the alternative.. because from my point of view, this has something to do with money and or content being put out that somebody doesn't like or cant make money from.

Rarely is it safety because they still haven't mandated basic safety equipment like a got damn chest protector.
RichieW13 wrote:
The AMA does not care if amateur racers make money off helmet cam videos. If that was their concern, they would ban all on board cameras...
The AMA does not care if amateur racers make money off helmet cam videos. If that was their concern, they would ban all on board cameras. Banning them is not going to put money in their pocket.

The conspiracy in some of you is off the charts.
I don’t believe in conspiracy’s

— YouTube suggestion based of of me typing the word conspiracy just now - the joe rogan show.

Me 10 hrs later 🤔
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Tonynz 12/14/2020 11:15pm
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In reality it’s been a FIM, rule for a number of years, obviously not for MX GP.
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Leeham 12/14/2020 11:27pm
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mizzou489 wrote:
It’s funny how it’s unsafe, but yet they sure do like to show the course preview before the race from a GoPro, or the Garmin. And...
It’s funny how it’s unsafe, but yet they sure do like to show the course preview before the race from a GoPro, or the Garmin. And sometimes show the LitPro data. Oh wait they get advertising dollars for that...
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A PRO rider is different from an AMATEUR.
Pro means you get paid to race a dirt bike. Thats what being a professional means, you get paid for it. If its your main occupation and you get paid for it. I mean you even have to qualify for a Pro Card.
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EngIceDave 12/15/2020 3:58am
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Answer isn't that hard guys, just look and think back to earlier in the year.

Remember Brian Moreau's crash?

There has been speculation, no secret, that his mount dug in during his crash. No idea if true and I am not saying it did or can, only that there has been speculation.

This is why TLD has stopped helmet mounts, even though they're sponsored by GoPro. They is why they made a behind the number plate mount to test out (It peeked through a hole)

The answer is almost always there if you look
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kage173 12/15/2020 4:25am
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AMA thank you for doing you job to recognize patterns of preventable injuries across the country and writing rules that effectively reduce those injuries to make me and my family safer. That's what I pay you for.
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Does the AMA do any sort of helmet inspection at AMA amateur races? If someone shows up at a race with a helmet from wal-mart, will the AMA say anything? If someone shows up in the same helmet that they got a concussion in one month before, will the AMA say anything? If the answer is no, then this is ridiculous.
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EngIceDave 12/15/2020 4:51am
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zookrider62! wrote:
Does the AMA do any sort of helmet inspection at AMA amateur races? If someone shows up at a race with a helmet from wal-mart, will...
Does the AMA do any sort of helmet inspection at AMA amateur races? If someone shows up at a race with a helmet from wal-mart, will the AMA say anything? If someone shows up in the same helmet that they got a concussion in one month before, will the AMA say anything? If the answer is no, then this is ridiculous.
Personal responsibility, but rules do say you have to wear an approved helmet

If someone shows up at the track in an old Evel Knievel glitter open face, I am sure the promoter will notice and should say something
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queen of spodes 12/15/2020 4:53am
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Answer isn't that hard guys, just look and think back to earlier in the year. Remember Brian Moreau's crash? There has been speculation, no secret, that...
Answer isn't that hard guys, just look and think back to earlier in the year.

Remember Brian Moreau's crash?

There has been speculation, no secret, that his mount dug in during his crash. No idea if true and I am not saying it did or can, only that there has been speculation.

This is why TLD has stopped helmet mounts, even though they're sponsored by GoPro. They is why they made a behind the number plate mount to test out (It peeked through a hole)

The answer is almost always there if you look
but but muh freedom
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queen of spodes 12/15/2020 4:56am
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zookrider62! wrote:
Does the AMA do any sort of helmet inspection at AMA amateur races? If someone shows up at a race with a helmet from wal-mart, will...
Does the AMA do any sort of helmet inspection at AMA amateur races? If someone shows up at a race with a helmet from wal-mart, will the AMA say anything? If someone shows up in the same helmet that they got a concussion in one month before, will the AMA say anything? If the answer is no, then this is ridiculous.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

They are eliminating a known and obvious safety hazard that is easy to detect with a quick glance down the starting line. Vs another safety hazard which is almost impossible to detect (wearing a helmet that's been crashed in before).

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EngIceDave 12/15/2020 4:59am
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One more thing, y'all always seem to forget that "The AMA" isn't the same as "AMA Pro Racing"

AMA Pro Racing is owned by DMG (Located in Daytona Beach, FL.....guess who that is?.....*nudge*nudge*wink*wink*).... and SX is leased out to Feld
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88FYNN88 12/15/2020 5:10am
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I am sure any GoPro sponsored rider will go the KTM route. Seems to work really well.

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Are helmets tested with goggles?
Or with a visor...
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zookrider62! wrote:
Does the AMA do any sort of helmet inspection at AMA amateur races? If someone shows up at a race with a helmet from wal-mart, will...
Does the AMA do any sort of helmet inspection at AMA amateur races? If someone shows up at a race with a helmet from wal-mart, will the AMA say anything? If someone shows up in the same helmet that they got a concussion in one month before, will the AMA say anything? If the answer is no, then this is ridiculous.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. They are eliminating a known and obvious safety hazard that is easy to detect with a quick glance down the...
Two wrongs don't make a right.

They are eliminating a known and obvious safety hazard that is easy to detect with a quick glance down the starting line. Vs another safety hazard which is almost impossible to detect (wearing a helmet that's been crashed in before).

Point is that no one is enforcing current rules. When I started racing in late '80s we had to go thru "tech" at local races to make sure ball where on end of levers, no "kick stand", etc. No promoter does this at any race I go to in WI anymore, not sure about other states. These are "AMA Sanctioned" race, I have to pay for AMA and local district card to race. If they are going to put the time and effort into having a rule, someone should be responsible for enforcing them, at a sanctioned race.
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EngIceDave 12/15/2020 6:24am
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The local promoter is responsible for enforcement.
If the promoter fails to do so, and something happens, the "lawyer handbook" is going to be the AMA Rulebook, they set the standard.

I also grew up with tech inspection, I tried that at the track I worked at over 20 years ago and no one would do it. Flat ignored the concept.

"It's stupid"
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Falcon 12/15/2020 8:23am
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EngIceDave wrote:
The local promoter is responsible for enforcement. If the promoter fails to do so, and something happens, the "lawyer handbook" is going to be the AMA...
The local promoter is responsible for enforcement.
If the promoter fails to do so, and something happens, the "lawyer handbook" is going to be the AMA Rulebook, they set the standard.

I also grew up with tech inspection, I tried that at the track I worked at over 20 years ago and no one would do it. Flat ignored the concept.

"It's stupid"
Dave is on to something here with the word, "lawyer."

I believe this is AMA amateur racing protecting themselves from personal injury lawsuits.
"You never said I couldn't wear a helmet camera, and it was that additional attachment on my helmet that caused me to break my neck when I jumped the 120' double and crashed. I want 4.5 million dollars."

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EngIceDave 12/15/2020 8:28am
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Know why there is no standard or maximum distance a jump or triple can be in any book?

So it's never in writing.

Once you put it in writing, it's official and every lawyer will be standing trackside with tape measures.



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FlickitFlat wrote:
You guys are trying to rationalize nonsense. There is a motive here but you'd be a fool to think it was for safety. In states like...
You guys are trying to rationalize nonsense. There is a motive here but you'd be a fool to think it was for safety. In states like Ohio, the AMA fought for the right of the rider to decide if they want to wear a helmet or not while operation their bike on the street. It is because of the AMA, Ohio and other states have a no helmet law. The AMA fought for it, hard and diligently. LOL It is beyond baffling to me that you guys can even consider this as a safety move on the part of the AMA.
Didn't they fight sound restrictions on street bikes too? Yet they sound test bikes out in the boonies?
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EngIceDave wrote:
Know why there is no standard or maximum distance a jump or triple can be in any book? So it's never in writing. Once you put...
Know why there is no standard or maximum distance a jump or triple can be in any book?

So it's never in writing.

Once you put it in writing, it's official and every lawyer will be standing trackside with tape measures.



I was an AMA ref at one point. We had to attend risk management training to go over policies that would help you win in a lawsuit. At that time I was told that no AMA track has lost a lawsuit that followed the rulebook and guidelines the AMA implemented. I remember them telling me if someone got hurt on a section of track, don't remove it or change it beyond normal grooming that day. They said it would show there was something wrong with the section and a lawyer could argue "Why did you change it if it was safe".
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EngIceDave 12/15/2020 9:17am
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EngIceDave wrote:
Know why there is no standard or maximum distance a jump or triple can be in any book? So it's never in writing. Once you put...
Know why there is no standard or maximum distance a jump or triple can be in any book?

So it's never in writing.

Once you put it in writing, it's official and every lawyer will be standing trackside with tape measures.



mx317 wrote:
I was an AMA ref at one point. We had to attend risk management training to go over policies that would help you win in a...
I was an AMA ref at one point. We had to attend risk management training to go over policies that would help you win in a lawsuit. At that time I was told that no AMA track has lost a lawsuit that followed the rulebook and guidelines the AMA implemented. I remember them telling me if someone got hurt on a section of track, don't remove it or change it beyond normal grooming that day. They said it would show there was something wrong with the section and a lawyer could argue "Why did you change it if it was safe".
That is exactly correct

Even moving corners, jumps or cutting down a tree has to be looked at now days
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brian9 12/15/2020 9:17am
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I think this opens the door for innovation. A while back someone made a goggle with a tiny lens mounted in it. They discontinued and went on to build body cameras for the military. I tried it and it worked great. The only gripe was that I could not use my goggle of choice.

Imagine if GoPro made something where you could velcro the lens to your goggles and a few wires connected to it a battery and an ssd which mounted to the goggle strap.

Helmets could be redesigned to incorporate such a tiny lens. There's a lot of things which could be done. I'm looking forward to the next new thing.
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Donkey Kong 12/15/2020 9:40am
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EngIceDave wrote:
Know why there is no standard or maximum distance a jump or triple can be in any book? So it's never in writing. Once you put...
Know why there is no standard or maximum distance a jump or triple can be in any book?

So it's never in writing.

Once you put it in writing, it's official and every lawyer will be standing trackside with tape measures.



mx317 wrote:
I was an AMA ref at one point. We had to attend risk management training to go over policies that would help you win in a...
I was an AMA ref at one point. We had to attend risk management training to go over policies that would help you win in a lawsuit. At that time I was told that no AMA track has lost a lawsuit that followed the rulebook and guidelines the AMA implemented. I remember them telling me if someone got hurt on a section of track, don't remove it or change it beyond normal grooming that day. They said it would show there was something wrong with the section and a lawyer could argue "Why did you change it if it was safe".
That's fucking crazy
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