If a Rider Gets Covid...

peltier626 12/9/2020 6:41am
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GuyB wrote:
You've seen where the NFL, NBA, and MLB all let teams throw out several of their worst games, right? Yeah, me neither. From what I've been...
You've seen where the NFL, NBA, and MLB all let teams throw out several of their worst games, right?

Yeah, me neither.

From what I've been told, rapid testing will happen at each of the locations on the series.
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To be fair, a football team can still play with a replacement player. A rider can't have someone fill in for them and have points go...
To be fair, a football team can still play with a replacement player. A rider can't have someone fill in for them and have points go towards their season.
Very valid and logical thinking. Some consideration should be set, not sure what the correct action is. But it sure would be something if this virus determines the championship.
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mx691 12/9/2020 7:52am
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... or take the vaccin and you dont have to do any testing all season ...👹👽👽👽 Or.. the last race winner or fastest qualifier has the...
... or take the vaccin and you dont have to do any testing all season ...👹👽👽👽

Or.. the last race winner or fastest qualifier has the ”immunity necklace” 😄 (wont have to do test)

Just kidding... 😎
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There's no mulligans in racing.
Well, this is kind of a mulligan...
Im pretty sure CR22 used it once..?
Whatever... 😎

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lumpy790 12/9/2020 8:12am
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IMO The way it affects long term respiratory system it could affect racing outdoors for 30+ Minutes + 2 laps
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lumpy790 wrote:
IMO The way it affects long term respiratory system it could affect racing outdoors for 30+ Minutes + 2 laps
Not likely if you are a world class 20 year old athlete, unless you have some sort of underlying autoimmune disease.
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EngIceDave 12/9/2020 8:55am
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lumpy790 wrote:
IMO The way it affects long term respiratory system it could affect racing outdoors for 30+ Minutes + 2 laps
50dippin wrote:
Not likely if you are a world class 20 year old athlete, unless you have some sort of underlying autoimmune disease.
Not true, athletes around the world are having issues.

One elite cyclist in Europe has now gotten it twice
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EngIceDave 12/9/2020 8:57am
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https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/10/01/covid-19-can-damage-hearts-of-…

There's more medical papers and articles than that, and those with other breathing issues and more


"Saurabh Rajpal and his colleagues at the Ohio State University, Columbus, used cardiac magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to visualize the hearts of 26 male and female student athletes. They participated in a range of sports, including football, soccer, lacrosse, basketball, and track. All of the athletes were referred to the university’s sports medicine clinic this past summer after testing positive for SARS-CoV-2. All had mild or asymptomatic cases of COVID-19.

Even so, the MRI scans, taken 11-53 days after completion of quarantine, showed four of the student athletes (all males) had swelling and tissue damage to their hearts consistent with myocarditis. Although myocarditis often resolves on its own over time, severe cases can compromise the heart muscle’s ability to beat. That can lead to heart failure, abnormal heart rhythms, and even sudden death in competitive athletes with normal heart function [2].

The investigators also looked for more subtle findings of cardiac injury in these athletes, using a contrast agent called gadolinium and measuring its time to appear in the cardiac muscle during the study. Eight of the 26 athletes (31 percent) had late gadolinium enhancement, suggestive of prior myocardial injury."
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731chopper 12/9/2020 9:19am
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EngIceDave wrote:
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/10/01/covid-19-can-damage-hearts-of-some-college-athletes/ There's more medical papers and articles than that, and those with other breathing issues and more "Saurabh Rajpal and his colleagues at the Ohio State...
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/10/01/covid-19-can-damage-hearts-of-…

There's more medical papers and articles than that, and those with other breathing issues and more


"Saurabh Rajpal and his colleagues at the Ohio State University, Columbus, used cardiac magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to visualize the hearts of 26 male and female student athletes. They participated in a range of sports, including football, soccer, lacrosse, basketball, and track. All of the athletes were referred to the university’s sports medicine clinic this past summer after testing positive for SARS-CoV-2. All had mild or asymptomatic cases of COVID-19.

Even so, the MRI scans, taken 11-53 days after completion of quarantine, showed four of the student athletes (all males) had swelling and tissue damage to their hearts consistent with myocarditis. Although myocarditis often resolves on its own over time, severe cases can compromise the heart muscle’s ability to beat. That can lead to heart failure, abnormal heart rhythms, and even sudden death in competitive athletes with normal heart function [2].

The investigators also looked for more subtle findings of cardiac injury in these athletes, using a contrast agent called gadolinium and measuring its time to appear in the cardiac muscle during the study. Eight of the 26 athletes (31 percent) had late gadolinium enhancement, suggestive of prior myocardial injury."
I’m not one to downplay Covid and I try my hardest to not get it but the risk of heart issues from a virus is nothing new to Covid. My ex-wife got sick with a common cold virus about 2 years ago and it nearly killed her. It did something to her heart that led to severe pneumonia which her doctor said she would’ve died from has she not gone to the ER when she did. She has permanent heart damage including cardiomyopathy and at one point was given a pretty grim 5 year survivability chance. She is much better now but still has issues. She was perfectly healthy and 31 years old when it happened.
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50dippin 12/9/2020 11:06am
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lumpy790 wrote:
IMO The way it affects long term respiratory system it could affect racing outdoors for 30+ Minutes + 2 laps
50dippin wrote:
Not likely if you are a world class 20 year old athlete, unless you have some sort of underlying autoimmune disease.
EngIceDave wrote:
Not true, athletes around the world are having issues.

One elite cyclist in Europe has now gotten it twice
and what is causing the issues? Overreactive immune system, they likely have some autoimmune issues that are mild or unknown. If you get it twice you failed to build proper antibodies, or had a false positive test. I have seen two patients that were seemly healthy and young who had longer than normal reactions to covid one has suspected myocarditis, one was just diagnosed with MS and the other crohn's. This also is not a new reaction to covid, it has been happening with other virus infections.
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CM_84 12/9/2020 1:07pm
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the fact that anyone thinks a rider that tests positive will even be allowed into the pits is amusing.
Remember in SLC, teams operated in bubbles, had to be tested every so often, temperature tested on entry etc.
I am sure things will be a little more relaxed, but do we really think they are going to let a guy roll to the line and hang out with his team after a positive test?
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lostboy819 12/9/2020 1:20pm
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Ahead of the season, what's everyone's thoughts on this? A rider missing 1 or potentially multiple rounds due to catching the virus (not injury). We've just...
Ahead of the season, what's everyone's thoughts on this?

A rider missing 1 or potentially multiple rounds due to catching the virus (not injury). We've just seen it happen in F1. Should a precedent be set before season commencement, or is it quite literally as simple as too bad? A precedent such as all riders eligible to drop their worst round, or if in the event of being forced to miss a round, being awarded their average placed position over the course of the '21 series?

Just spit balling here, please save the pitch forks, but imagine a close season blown open by a rider missing 1 or more events due to something somewhat beyond their control.
Life aint fair. Cool
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applesauce973 12/9/2020 1:49pm
12/9/2020 1:49pm
cloud41 wrote:
It’s really no different if they had any other illness. The fact people are making it seem different is the real issue.
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Amen!
Maybe we can hand out 9th place trophies too. Wtf its like any other situation. What if they catch the flu, wad up in a practice session mid week etc. This is the same situation and rider shouldn't be treated any differently. Come on now, this is still one of the real man sports, don't go making it a pussy sport.
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CM_84 12/9/2020 2:06pm
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cloud41 wrote:
People are calling this a disease now?? Stop... some of y’all have seriously lost your marbles.
The D at the end of Covid literally stands for disease.
Covid-19 is the disease which is caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
The disease is the sickness, the virus causes the disease. The same goes for other virus's such as the many types of influenza etc. The common cold is technically a disease.

People aren't just giving this a name out of the blue, there are actual scientific standards and conventions that give these names/labels.

* This is not a comment on anything other than the term, it categorically is a disease.
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quadzrulebro 12/9/2020 4:39pm
12/9/2020 4:39pm
I would assume that the championship contenders in the 450 class will fly private to the races. They can easily afford it, and would be dumb not to. Keep in mind that with the schedule this year, the first 6 rounds would only require a total of 2 round trip flights to attend all six. It honestly might even make sense for a team to just charter a plane to fly the whole team to minimize exposure.
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EngIceDave 12/9/2020 5:24pm
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They should either AirBnB a home for a week or live in the RV for a week, like at HOU when they'll race 3 in a week
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lostboy819 12/9/2020 5:43pm
12/9/2020 5:43pm
Lewis Hamilton flies in his private jet all the time and he still got covid and had to sit out a race and maybe another, but he already clinched his 7th championship. Cool
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lostboy819 wrote:
Lewis Hamilton flies in his private jet all the time and he still got covid and had to sit out a race and maybe another, but...
Lewis Hamilton flies in his private jet all the time and he still got covid and had to sit out a race and maybe another, but he already clinched his 7th championship. Cool
Perez and Stroll also only fly private.....also got Covid and missed races
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budlong802 12/9/2020 5:55pm
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applesauce973 wrote:
Maybe we can hand out 9th place trophies too. Wtf its like any other situation. What if they catch the flu, wad up in a practice...
Maybe we can hand out 9th place trophies too. Wtf its like any other situation. What if they catch the flu, wad up in a practice session mid week etc. This is the same situation and rider shouldn't be treated any differently. Come on now, this is still one of the real man sports, don't go making it a pussy sport.
Nope. You can ride with the flu,you can ride injured but you can't ride with covid even if your not sick.
I assume a real man like you would ride with covid if you weren't sick. Right?
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EngIceDave 12/9/2020 5:58pm
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Nope. You can ride with the flu,you can ride injured but you can't ride with covid even if your not sick. I assume a real man...
Nope. You can ride with the flu,you can ride injured but you can't ride with covid even if your not sick.
I assume a real man like you would ride with covid if you weren't sick. Right?
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Kawi15 12/9/2020 6:04pm
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Gotta love Covid. It is a great disease. It beats all others hands down. One can get it, and never know they have it.. all the while killing everybody around them, and never know it. It can stop any activity, kill any small businesses, control holidays and send families into poverty and even cause suicides. One can even be arrested because of it. Lovely. Especially from a disease with such a high survival rate. Soon we will be forced to take a vaccine and it will not stop people from getting it again. Personally I think that it might be worth a little attention, but to give it such priority over work and feeding your family is not wise. We really need to check our priorities and reactions. Go ahead. Flame away, but after reading some of the nonsense here I just had to write. I say let them determine if they are ready and well enough to race. They are big boys and smart enough to decide for themselves.
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LIVEWIRE 12/9/2020 6:33pm
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staggering this is a mentality. It's killed 285k Americans, its very different.
Due to the political atmosphere I don't believe that number is correct. Might be more, might be less. To use that number like fact is ridiculous in my opinion, carry on.
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EngIceDave 12/9/2020 6:39pm
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I know of one it killed that matters, at least to me.

So, that alone is too many
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Feels like racers are just gonna have to go into the season knowing this could randomly jump up and knock them out of a round or two. Pretty shitty, and I’m guessing this will lead to the famous asterisk debate if the series is decided by someone popping positive.
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EngIceDave 12/9/2020 6:42pm
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mxpro252 wrote:
Feels like racers are just gonna have to go into the season knowing this could randomly jump up and knock them out of a round or...
Feels like racers are just gonna have to go into the season knowing this could randomly jump up and knock them out of a round or two. Pretty shitty, and I’m guessing this will lead to the famous asterisk debate if the series is decided by someone popping positive.
But so could an injury
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BS12 12/9/2020 7:33pm
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mxpro252 wrote:
Feels like racers are just gonna have to go into the season knowing this could randomly jump up and knock them out of a round or...
Feels like racers are just gonna have to go into the season knowing this could randomly jump up and knock them out of a round or two. Pretty shitty, and I’m guessing this will lead to the famous asterisk debate if the series is decided by someone popping positive.
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But so could an injury
I think the key difference here is an injury, the majority of the time, is the rider's fault. With Covid, as has been seen, all preventative measures can be taken (fly private etc) but there's still the chance of contracting it without "error" by the rider. I guess the same can be said about mechanicals though.

I do understand that all riders are in the same boat, and also understand the "too bad" argument. Just hoping we don't see an incident interrupt what looks to be a very exciting title chase.
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JeepnMike 12/9/2020 8:54pm
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Just a thought, how many times have you heard of racers having some of their best races while having the flu? When was the last time a top-tier rider opted out of a race due to the flu?

I am just saying this is not black and white, whatsoever.
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I’m not one to downplay Covid and I try my hardest to not get it but the risk of heart issues from a virus is nothing...
I’m not one to downplay Covid and I try my hardest to not get it but the risk of heart issues from a virus is nothing new to Covid. My ex-wife got sick with a common cold virus about 2 years ago and it nearly killed her. It did something to her heart that led to severe pneumonia which her doctor said she would’ve died from has she not gone to the ER when she did. She has permanent heart damage including cardiomyopathy and at one point was given a pretty grim 5 year survivability chance. She is much better now but still has issues. She was perfectly healthy and 31 years old when it happened.
Given something like that can occur from just the common cold, really puts in perspective why everyone should be taking Covid more seriously than the common cold. Even if just for the fact that it is transmitted between people much easier then the common cold.

I guess the other option is throw our hands up in the air and wait to see what it does and who it kills. I'm not sure how many at risk friends and family everyone else is willing to lose, but i'm not ready to stick a fork in any of mine.

I guess i look at it from a different point of view because my country has been very successful lately, in that we have basically zero community transmission, i just don't understand why countries riddled with it aren't striving to do better. It is possible.

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mxpro252 12/9/2020 9:00pm
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I think the key difference here is an injury, the majority of the time, is the rider's fault. With Covid, as has been seen, all preventative...
I think the key difference here is an injury, the majority of the time, is the rider's fault. With Covid, as has been seen, all preventative measures can be taken (fly private etc) but there's still the chance of contracting it without "error" by the rider. I guess the same can be said about mechanicals though.

I do understand that all riders are in the same boat, and also understand the "too bad" argument. Just hoping we don't see an incident interrupt what looks to be a very exciting title chase.
Pretty much. There’s definitely some injuries that can happen at no fault of the rider like someone landing on them or tuff block on a landing, but injuries are usually caused from something somewhat in control by the rider. Covid is a virus. They can reduce the chances with certain measures, but anybody at any point can get it. There’s no hiding or running from it.
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731chopper 12/9/2020 9:16pm
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haydos25 wrote:
Given something like that can occur from just the common cold, really puts in perspective why everyone should be taking Covid more seriously than the common...
Given something like that can occur from just the common cold, really puts in perspective why everyone should be taking Covid more seriously than the common cold. Even if just for the fact that it is transmitted between people much easier then the common cold.

I guess the other option is throw our hands up in the air and wait to see what it does and who it kills. I'm not sure how many at risk friends and family everyone else is willing to lose, but i'm not ready to stick a fork in any of mine.

I guess i look at it from a different point of view because my country has been very successful lately, in that we have basically zero community transmission, i just don't understand why countries riddled with it aren't striving to do better. It is possible.

I’d imagine population density plays a bit of a role.
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Ted722 12/9/2020 9:21pm
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haydos25 wrote:
Given something like that can occur from just the common cold, really puts in perspective why everyone should be taking Covid more seriously than the common...
Given something like that can occur from just the common cold, really puts in perspective why everyone should be taking Covid more seriously than the common cold. Even if just for the fact that it is transmitted between people much easier then the common cold.

I guess the other option is throw our hands up in the air and wait to see what it does and who it kills. I'm not sure how many at risk friends and family everyone else is willing to lose, but i'm not ready to stick a fork in any of mine.

I guess i look at it from a different point of view because my country has been very successful lately, in that we have basically zero community transmission, i just don't understand why countries riddled with it aren't striving to do better. It is possible.

731chopper wrote:
I’d imagine population density plays a bit of a role.
A 3 1/2 month lockdown going into summer helps too.
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haydos25 12/9/2020 9:35pm
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A 3 1/2 month lockdown going into summer helps too.
In one state only. A large part of our country has had little to no lockdowns at all.

I think what it comes down to is adherence to the the regulations. Nobody liked the lockdowns, but generally everyone behaved pretty well, got through it and we're basically back up and running. We've got capacity crowds at sporting events in some places. Havent had a death in months, no hospitalisation and basically zero cases outside of hotel quarantine of travellers coming from overseas. Seems like we're the land of the free at the moment.

How many cases in the US today? 200-300 thousand cases? I feel there is no other option then to pretend its not deadly over there because you cant pretend its not contagious or that you have it at all under control anymore.
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