The ONLY way to grow the “sport”

bigk218
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Edited Date/Time 11/5/2020 6:47pm
It’s time that manufactures and companies start releasing contract and salary details of their riders.

If we want this sport to grow and prosper we need to start acting like a professional organization. Until then motocross and supercross will be competing with the likes of cornhole and bowling.

We have elite professionals shrouded in a mist of hearsay and gossip. If it wasn’t for pulp, swap, etc... the fans would have zero reason to follow the sport. I’m a diehard fan and the only reason I watch the races is because of the anticipation built by social media outlets.

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I think we need strippers and live rock n roll
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I could care less what they make. Looks like they do pretty well, that’s all I know.
I don’t see what any of that keeps them from being a professional organization. I’d imagine a professional cornhole player doesn’t get threads about him selling a car either.
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11/2/2020 7:15pm
bigk218 wrote:
It’s time that manufactures and companies start releasing contract and salary details of their riders. If we want this sport to grow and prosper we need...
It’s time that manufactures and companies start releasing contract and salary details of their riders.

If we want this sport to grow and prosper we need to start acting like a professional organization. Until then motocross and supercross will be competing with the likes of cornhole and bowling.

We have elite professionals shrouded in a mist of hearsay and gossip. If it wasn’t for pulp, swap, etc... the fans would have zero reason to follow the sport. I’m a diehard fan and the only reason I watch the races is because of the anticipation built by social media outlets.

i think the opposite, if people knew what the guy in 12th was making, they probably wouldn't spend so much on the amateur scene, they may understand what a huge long shot making decent money is,
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Mxracer607
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11/2/2020 7:17pm
I think that it’s their business what they make and not my issue
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Dutch348
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10 years from now we’ll all be zipping around our neighborhood tracks on electric 110s, and the sport will blow up like the 70s in SoCal.
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How exactly does knowing what the riders make grow the sport? A point of conversation for investigative journalists? The ones that continually get shut out for their unwelcome prodding questions in a very niche sport? Or the ones that don't exist because these guys' salaries aren't newsworthy?

This isn't a major league ball sport. No rider contract, no matter how ground breaking in our sport $ wise, will be enough to make headlines. Eli cleared 10 mil this year, including a record breaking Alpinestars bonus? (hypothetical.) Cool man. Lebron's base salary paid him that in the first couple months, before endorsements.

I can't see what other angle you're coming at with this post, that would link knowing rider's incomes with growing the sport.
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11/2/2020 7:25pm
I thought this thread might be about inexpensive entry level dirt bikes available to the masses.
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FARANG
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This.

Much more interesting than the riders salaries. I don't care what they earn, they deserve it.
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Early 2000's sport was at its peak. with riders doing 12 month contracts for 3mil+. outside shoe deals for millions.

I think the only way to grow the sport is get outside sponsors in. we need a reason for outside sponsors to join.
the whole CBD stuff and 360 fly cam shit is a reason why we cant grow the sport.

We need more company's on a broader spectrum involved.


also... riders are not as intense as it once was.. now they are all friends, they all train together and its a big love fest.
needs to be rivalry and some one to love and some one to hate.
Honestly hope Jett Lawrence can bring this back, seems like it can go either way... but hasn't been afraid to throw some people off there game as well as back it up.




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This crushes me to say but this is what I believe:

This is not a sport. At the professional level, it’s entertainment. Sponsors see us as Monster Truck lite, with a little more race vibes.

- The “journalist” can’t report anything - they’ll be blackballed

- The promoters restrict, then steal sponsors

- The promoters have little to no obligation to share revenue with the teams and/or athletes (think NFL or NBA revenue sharing)

- And to the OP’s point: rider salary, contracts, rumors, signing, etc is almost non-existent. That secrecy just feeds more into the truth that this is not a sport enterprise like the NFL, but an entertainment leg solely profiting the organizational bodies, some riders, and the media guys willing to do free PR for everyone above while making ad revenue on their sites and mags.

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11/2/2020 8:32pm Edited Date/Time 11/2/2020 8:55pm
I think if you asked 100 different members of this board what would grow the sport, you'd get 100 different realistic/doable answers, and none of them would be knowing what the riders make. So no, that's not the ONLY way to grow this sport.
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11/2/2020 8:33pm Edited Date/Time 11/3/2020 1:34am
I think we need strippers and live rock n roll
The British gp at the Isle of Wight in 2005 had a strip club next to the whoops , fro was master of ceremonies. The brits know how to do it right
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The mind boggle's when i think of what a Professional Cornhole player is.Dry Unsure
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11/2/2020 8:50pm
bigk218 wrote:
It’s time that manufactures and companies start releasing contract and salary details of their riders. If we want this sport to grow and prosper we need...
It’s time that manufactures and companies start releasing contract and salary details of their riders.

If we want this sport to grow and prosper we need to start acting like a professional organization. Until then motocross and supercross will be competing with the likes of cornhole and bowling.

We have elite professionals shrouded in a mist of hearsay and gossip. If it wasn’t for pulp, swap, etc... the fans would have zero reason to follow the sport. I’m a diehard fan and the only reason I watch the races is because of the anticipation built by social media outlets.


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11/2/2020 8:54pm
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The sport is just to expensive. We need inexpensive bikes with class specific models. The 4 banger hangover isn't helping anything.
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11/2/2020 9:32pm
Big national 125 series. Remember the 100k RM cup, held at a different track every year. You could make 1,600 on contingency at fri and sun race. A 100k Vet race is way over due.
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scott_nz wrote:
The British gp at the Isle of Wight in 2005 had a strip club next to the whoops , fro was master of ceremonies. The brits...
The British gp at the Isle of Wight in 2005 had a strip club next to the whoops , fro was master of ceremonies. The brits know how to do it right
Did you check it out 🤔🤔🤣
crowe660
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Why do we need to grow the sport? Local tracks are at capacity around here.
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PJRAUS
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11/3/2020 1:18am Edited Date/Time 11/3/2020 1:18am
What is cornhole anyway? As far as I knew, cornhole was a crude term for the anus.
So a pro cornholer does what exactly? Forgive me..I am Australian and I have no clue as to what the op is bunging on about
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11/3/2020 1:35am
Tonynz wrote:
Did you check it out 🤔🤔🤣
Fuck yes
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11/3/2020 1:46am
Dutch348 wrote:
10 years from now we’ll all be zipping around our neighborhood tracks on electric 110s, and the sport will blow up like the 70s in SoCal.
I suspect light e bikes like the Sur Ron are already making a lot of new riders. I hope you’re right but where I live the fun police won’t allow neighbourhood tracks no matter what kind of bike you use
11/3/2020 2:33am
MxKing809 wrote:
This crushes me to say but this is what I believe: This is not a sport. At the professional level, it’s entertainment. Sponsors see us as...
This crushes me to say but this is what I believe:

This is not a sport. At the professional level, it’s entertainment. Sponsors see us as Monster Truck lite, with a little more race vibes.

- The “journalist” can’t report anything - they’ll be blackballed

- The promoters restrict, then steal sponsors

- The promoters have little to no obligation to share revenue with the teams and/or athletes (think NFL or NBA revenue sharing)

- And to the OP’s point: rider salary, contracts, rumors, signing, etc is almost non-existent. That secrecy just feeds more into the truth that this is not a sport enterprise like the NFL, but an entertainment leg solely profiting the organizational bodies, some riders, and the media guys willing to do free PR for everyone above while making ad revenue on their sites and mags.

I agree, the way some riders sponsors were handled is atrocious, Reed with his 360 deal is just one example.
Yes, i understand that contracts were already in place.

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JMX82
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11/3/2020 4:04am
Dutch348 wrote:
10 years from now we’ll all be zipping around our neighborhood tracks on electric 110s, and the sport will blow up like the 70s in SoCal.
You are right on the money on that. Electrification is the only thing that can push the sport back to growth like it or not.
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nortm005
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bigk218 wrote:
It’s time that manufactures and companies start releasing contract and salary details of their riders. If we want this sport to grow and prosper we need...
It’s time that manufactures and companies start releasing contract and salary details of their riders.

If we want this sport to grow and prosper we need to start acting like a professional organization. Until then motocross and supercross will be competing with the likes of cornhole and bowling.

We have elite professionals shrouded in a mist of hearsay and gossip. If it wasn’t for pulp, swap, etc... the fans would have zero reason to follow the sport. I’m a diehard fan and the only reason I watch the races is because of the anticipation built by social media outlets.

How would you like your employer releasing exact details of how much you get paid? Including contract details and bonuses etc. Are they still a 'professional organisation' if they dont?
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cloud41
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If you want to grow the sport, then stop complaining about bikes not having Bluetooth and 4 WiFi hot spots. Everyone complained about electric start and the hydraulic clutch, which has now raised bike prices over a grand. People will be priced out of the sport. Nobody cares how much the pros make..
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Everyone saying cheaper bikes check out the TTR, KLX, and CRF-F line of bikes. They are cheap entry-level bikes that people can start riding offroad with. Then as a stepping stone the Yamaha YZ line, and when they are ready to really drop some coin they can buy their flavor of Euro 2-stroke or Euro-Japanese 4-stroke. There isn't really a price difference between the high end smokers and 4-strokes so saying they would make the sport cheaper is just ignorance to modern bikes. A 21 250 XC tpi msrp is $500 more than my 19 450FX was.
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kage173
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Why do we want to grow the sport? Seems like a headache to me. If it grew, it would end up getting shut down when the general public realized that its dangerous. And it would turn into a political football for the media. Ticket prices would skyrocket when casual fans who never threw a leg over a bike start coming in. How does that benefit me? Right now I can walk up to most stars of our sport and have a normal conversation. Think you can do that with NASCAR guys?

I'm perfectly happy for our sport to fly under the radar.
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