ML512's 2021 Pala National Chaparral/FXR Honda (What's really in it?)

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I dont know if y'all watched the Pala National or not; but, Michael Lindsays's Chaparral/FXR Honda Team put Cody Schock on the NEW CRF450R and pulled off a Tenth Overall on the day (12/10 for 10 O/A).

The bike looked like it was working awfully damn well thru all the ugly stuff and if I'm not mistaken, he got some good starts, too. It certainly pulled well all around the track and was NOT slow.

So, wouldn't it be nice to know what they did to the enigne?
And...the chassis...the suspension...?

I'm jus' sayin'...

(Edit: Michael anwered all...scroll down about 9 posts...)
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TeamGreen wrote:
I dont know if y'all watched the Pala National or not; but, Michael Lindsays's Chaparral/FXR Honda Team put Cody Schock on the NEW CRF450R and pulled...
I dont know if y'all watched the Pala National or not; but, Michael Lindsays's Chaparral/FXR Honda Team put Cody Schock on the NEW CRF450R and pulled off a Tenth Overall on the day (12/10 for 10 O/A).

The bike looked like it was working awfully damn well thru all the ugly stuff and if I'm not mistaken, he got some good starts, too. It certainly pulled well all around the track and was NOT slow.

So, wouldn't it be nice to know what they did to the enigne?
And...the chassis...the suspension...?

I'm jus' sayin'...

(Edit: Michael anwered all...scroll down about 9 posts...)
Call em up and ask Manny!

I’m gonna guess a pipe, XPR remap, Enzo revalve, and some Renegade fuel.
10/17/2020 9:07am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2020 9:08am
If I'm ML, I'd tell you to kick rocks. Dude's running a team; not a bike test article
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Well I don’t remember everyone saying the 2020 Honda 450 was a bad bike and the 2021 is a better version of that. No surprise it’s just as good or better of a bike after some tweaking.
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TeamGreen wrote:
I dont know if y'all watched the Pala National or not; but, Michael Lindsays's Chaparral/FXR Honda Team put Cody Schock on the NEW CRF450R and pulled...
I dont know if y'all watched the Pala National or not; but, Michael Lindsays's Chaparral/FXR Honda Team put Cody Schock on the NEW CRF450R and pulled off a Tenth Overall on the day (12/10 for 10 O/A).

The bike looked like it was working awfully damn well thru all the ugly stuff and if I'm not mistaken, he got some good starts, too. It certainly pulled well all around the track and was NOT slow.

So, wouldn't it be nice to know what they did to the enigne?
And...the chassis...the suspension...?

I'm jus' sayin'...

(Edit: Michael anwered all...scroll down about 9 posts...)
MxKing809 wrote:
Call em up and ask Manny!

I’m gonna guess a pipe, XPR remap, Enzo revalve, and some Renegade fuel.
Schock posted on facebook stock motor, enzo suspension, yosh pipe. Didnt mention fuel
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TeamGreen wrote:
I dont know if y'all watched the Pala National or not; but, Michael Lindsays's Chaparral/FXR Honda Team put Cody Schock on the NEW CRF450R and pulled...
I dont know if y'all watched the Pala National or not; but, Michael Lindsays's Chaparral/FXR Honda Team put Cody Schock on the NEW CRF450R and pulled off a Tenth Overall on the day (12/10 for 10 O/A).

The bike looked like it was working awfully damn well thru all the ugly stuff and if I'm not mistaken, he got some good starts, too. It certainly pulled well all around the track and was NOT slow.

So, wouldn't it be nice to know what they did to the enigne?
And...the chassis...the suspension...?

I'm jus' sayin'...

(Edit: Michael anwered all...scroll down about 9 posts...)
Didn't the 2 guys that went 1 and 2 ride a 2020.
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I'd say more of the rider getting the results than the bike
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10/17/2020 9:35am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2020 9:55am
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Didn't the 2 guys that went 1 and 2 ride a 2020.
Apples to oranges comparison. Those were HRC bikes vs. a privateer effort. That being said the 21 bike Schock rode looked really good around the track.
The 20 HRC models were refined bikes of the last 3 yrs. of testing on that model. Those bikes also looked good all yr. with Sexton & Craig putting in solid results at the nationals.
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If I'm ML, I'd tell you to kick rocks. Dude's running a team; not a bike test article
And rule number of me running a team is being open as possible. But this has been a very busy week...

To answer the above mentioned questions.

Coty rode the bike 4-5 times. 2 of those times bone stock.

We ran a Yosh RS-12, a Vortex ECU mapped by Chad at XPR, race fuel, Motul 300V 10-40 oil, Enzo revalved the stock stuff, changed the spring rates a lil, set of ODI bars and grips...and a set of HAAN/Excel wheels.

Coty got his first top ten ever in outdoors and pulled about a top five or sixth start in the second Moto on it. ‘Twas a great day.
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Schock posted on facebook stock motor, enzo suspension, yosh pipe. Didnt mention fuel
Yup. Talks about it around the 1:20 min. mark in the vid..

https://youtu.be/XxFlSAL2knE?t=81
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skeef wrote:
I'd say more of the rider getting the results than the bike
Exactly.

People have lost their minds. The bike looked good because it had a young, fit and talented rider, that would have probably got the same results with a different bike and similar setup modifications
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10/17/2020 10:12am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2020 10:15am
skeef wrote:
I'd say more of the rider getting the results than the bike
Bruce372 wrote:
Exactly. People have lost their minds. The bike looked good because it had a young, fit and talented rider, that would have probably got the same...
Exactly.

People have lost their minds. The bike looked good because it had a young, fit and talented rider, that would have probably got the same results with a different bike and similar setup modifications
And taking nothing away from a very good ride by Coty, it was a deeply depleted field for that last round.
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10/17/2020 10:32am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2020 12:28pm
Not trying to take anything away from Cody's great ride(congrats to him and ML512). It was easy to see the bike works great at the pro level. KROC made it look even better with his works bike.
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10/17/2020 10:51am
ML512 wrote:
And rule number of me running a team is being open as possible. But this has been a very busy week... To answer the above mentioned...
And rule number of me running a team is being open as possible. But this has been a very busy week...

To answer the above mentioned questions.

Coty rode the bike 4-5 times. 2 of those times bone stock.

We ran a Yosh RS-12, a Vortex ECU mapped by Chad at XPR, race fuel, Motul 300V 10-40 oil, Enzo revalved the stock stuff, changed the spring rates a lil, set of ODI bars and grips...and a set of HAAN/Excel wheels.

Coty got his first top ten ever in outdoors and pulled about a top five or sixth start in the second Moto on it. ‘Twas a great day.
I know the fuel wasn’t ETS brand, stuff gives you a bad headache....😜

Tanks for sharing!

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10/17/2020 10:59am
If I'm ML, I'd tell you to kick rocks. Dude's running a team; not a bike test article
ML512 wrote:
And rule number of me running a team is being open as possible. But this has been a very busy week... To answer the above mentioned...
And rule number of me running a team is being open as possible. But this has been a very busy week...

To answer the above mentioned questions.

Coty rode the bike 4-5 times. 2 of those times bone stock.

We ran a Yosh RS-12, a Vortex ECU mapped by Chad at XPR, race fuel, Motul 300V 10-40 oil, Enzo revalved the stock stuff, changed the spring rates a lil, set of ODI bars and grips...and a set of HAAN/Excel wheels.

Coty got his first top ten ever in outdoors and pulled about a top five or sixth start in the second Moto on it. ‘Twas a great day.
Congrats to you and Coty - that was great to see.

You have to be excited about 21. I am sure things may not be finalized yet but can you share who the sponsors are and who and how many will be riding. It will be cool to watch the team grow and increase their presence!
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It’s really cool to see first hand a new bike be put through its paces. The fact we can take a product from the dealership and take it to the highest form of racing is very unique.

It’s crazy how great these new generation 450’s are with a pipe, mapping/ECU, fuel and revalved stock suspension. Every color comes alive with those items.

Congrats to ML and rider for a great finish, and thanks for essentially product testing at the highest level.
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Kyle978 wrote:
It’s really cool to see first hand a new bike be put through its paces. The fact we can take a product from the dealership and...
It’s really cool to see first hand a new bike be put through its paces. The fact we can take a product from the dealership and take it to the highest form of racing is very unique.

It’s crazy how great these new generation 450’s are with a pipe, mapping/ECU, fuel and revalved stock suspension. Every color comes alive with those items.

Congrats to ML and rider for a great finish, and thanks for essentially product testing at the highest level.
And 99% of us couldn't even do anything with what ML did with that bike. ML is going to do good things next year.
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If I'm ML, I'd tell you to kick rocks. Dude's running a team; not a bike test article
ML512 wrote:
And rule number of me running a team is being open as possible. But this has been a very busy week... To answer the above mentioned...
And rule number of me running a team is being open as possible. But this has been a very busy week...

To answer the above mentioned questions.

Coty rode the bike 4-5 times. 2 of those times bone stock.

We ran a Yosh RS-12, a Vortex ECU mapped by Chad at XPR, race fuel, Motul 300V 10-40 oil, Enzo revalved the stock stuff, changed the spring rates a lil, set of ODI bars and grips...and a set of HAAN/Excel wheels.

Coty got his first top ten ever in outdoors and pulled about a top five or sixth start in the second Moto on it. ‘Twas a great day.
ML, can you elaborate a little on the suspension? Front and rear springs? major valving or was it close stock? Opinion after re-valve on how much better than stock? Just trying to decide on this bike or not. I want to build a GP worcs bike but hearing that it is twitchy holds me back. Hoping it is just due to suspension and not chassis. thanks
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Kyle978 wrote:
It’s really cool to see first hand a new bike be put through its paces. The fact we can take a product from the dealership and...
It’s really cool to see first hand a new bike be put through its paces. The fact we can take a product from the dealership and take it to the highest form of racing is very unique.

It’s crazy how great these new generation 450’s are with a pipe, mapping/ECU, fuel and revalved stock suspension. Every color comes alive with those items.

Congrats to ML and rider for a great finish, and thanks for essentially product testing at the highest level.
This...

I sorta knew this was the case; but, I hadn't heard -exactly- what had been done to the bike...hell...the last time I'd talked to anyone...they hadn't received the "ok" to race that bike...yet...

So, I asked and, as usual, Michael threw it ALL out there.

I thought it was awesome that they showed what can be done with "just the basics".

There are a lot of us Old Guys that're extremely proud of Michael and the ways he's shown many people that he's worked with that "hard work makes good things happen".

Congratulatons to Michael, Cody and all the people that support them.
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TeamGreen wrote:
I dont know if y'all watched the Pala National or not; but, Michael Lindsays's Chaparral/FXR Honda Team put Cody Schock on the NEW CRF450R and pulled...
I dont know if y'all watched the Pala National or not; but, Michael Lindsays's Chaparral/FXR Honda Team put Cody Schock on the NEW CRF450R and pulled off a Tenth Overall on the day (12/10 for 10 O/A).

The bike looked like it was working awfully damn well thru all the ugly stuff and if I'm not mistaken, he got some good starts, too. It certainly pulled well all around the track and was NOT slow.

So, wouldn't it be nice to know what they did to the enigne?
And...the chassis...the suspension...?

I'm jus' sayin'...

(Edit: Michael anwered all...scroll down about 9 posts...)
MxKing809 wrote:
Call em up and ask Manny!

I’m gonna guess a pipe, XPR remap, Enzo revalve, and some Renegade fuel.
Grinning
I texted him and told him I'd posted this. I try not to call anyone in Machael's "very fluid situation" during these SIlly Season days.
Why?
Well, I suspect he's CRAZY busy trying ot deal with some new...but really GOOD...changes going into 2021.
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10/17/2020 1:23pm
If I'm ML, I'd tell you to kick rocks. Dude's running a team; not a bike test article
ML's team isn't a factory effort, they're there to promote sponsors, talk about product etc etc.

If someone has supplied some cams that work tell the world. If Honda have supplied a discounted bike and it is working, tell the world. If Dunlop sponsored some tyres and they're working well, tell the world. FFS dude, this is WHY sponsorship exists!
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10/17/2020 3:07pm Edited Date/Time 10/17/2020 3:08pm
There was some talk the bike wasn't homogenized yet, but I heard they run healthier like that! Silly Great result for the team!
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There was some talk the bike wasn't homogenized yet, but I heard they run healthier like that! Silly Great result for the team!
That's because of the pasturization process that follows. Tongue
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If I'm ML, I'd tell you to kick rocks. Dude's running a team; not a bike test article
ML512 wrote:
And rule number of me running a team is being open as possible. But this has been a very busy week... To answer the above mentioned...
And rule number of me running a team is being open as possible. But this has been a very busy week...

To answer the above mentioned questions.

Coty rode the bike 4-5 times. 2 of those times bone stock.

We ran a Yosh RS-12, a Vortex ECU mapped by Chad at XPR, race fuel, Motul 300V 10-40 oil, Enzo revalved the stock stuff, changed the spring rates a lil, set of ODI bars and grips...and a set of HAAN/Excel wheels.

Coty got his first top ten ever in outdoors and pulled about a top five or sixth start in the second Moto on it. ‘Twas a great day.
Excellent, thanks ML
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10/17/2020 4:16pm Edited Date/Time 10/17/2020 4:17pm
If I'm ML, I'd tell you to kick rocks. Dude's running a team; not a bike test article
ML512 wrote:
And rule number of me running a team is being open as possible. But this has been a very busy week... To answer the above mentioned...
And rule number of me running a team is being open as possible. But this has been a very busy week...

To answer the above mentioned questions.

Coty rode the bike 4-5 times. 2 of those times bone stock.

We ran a Yosh RS-12, a Vortex ECU mapped by Chad at XPR, race fuel, Motul 300V 10-40 oil, Enzo revalved the stock stuff, changed the spring rates a lil, set of ODI bars and grips...and a set of HAAN/Excel wheels.

Coty got his first top ten ever in outdoors and pulled about a top five or sixth start in the second Moto on it. ‘Twas a great day.
GPrider wrote:
ML, can you elaborate a little on the suspension? Front and rear springs? major valving or was it close stock? Opinion after re-valve on how much...
ML, can you elaborate a little on the suspension? Front and rear springs? major valving or was it close stock? Opinion after re-valve on how much better than stock? Just trying to decide on this bike or not. I want to build a GP worcs bike but hearing that it is twitchy holds me back. Hoping it is just due to suspension and not chassis. thanks
I suspect it is less twitchy (stock) than pervious years Smile
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TeamGreen wrote:
I dont know if y'all watched the Pala National or not; but, Michael Lindsays's Chaparral/FXR Honda Team put Cody Schock on the NEW CRF450R and pulled...
I dont know if y'all watched the Pala National or not; but, Michael Lindsays's Chaparral/FXR Honda Team put Cody Schock on the NEW CRF450R and pulled off a Tenth Overall on the day (12/10 for 10 O/A).

The bike looked like it was working awfully damn well thru all the ugly stuff and if I'm not mistaken, he got some good starts, too. It certainly pulled well all around the track and was NOT slow.

So, wouldn't it be nice to know what they did to the enigne?
And...the chassis...the suspension...?

I'm jus' sayin'...

(Edit: Michael anwered all...scroll down about 9 posts...)
Stock with an 18 inch rear wheel and kickstand I hear.
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If I'm ML, I'd tell you to kick rocks. Dude's running a team; not a bike test article
ML's team isn't a factory effort, they're there to promote sponsors, talk about product etc etc. If someone has supplied some cams that work tell the...
ML's team isn't a factory effort, they're there to promote sponsors, talk about product etc etc.

If someone has supplied some cams that work tell the world. If Honda have supplied a discounted bike and it is working, tell the world. If Dunlop sponsored some tyres and they're working well, tell the world. FFS dude, this is WHY sponsorship exists!
This sport is all top secret. Nobody talk about whats done to the bikes so when they don't qualify for a main event they always say we are still testing. You will hear more of we are still testing than what's helping come A1.
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10/17/2020 5:20pm
kiwifan wrote:
I suspect it is less twitchy (stock) than pervious years Smile
The 20 models that Sexton & Craig raced looked really stable at all the tracks this out door season. Kawi was the other manufacturer that appeared to have their bikes dialed as well.
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How do people find the negative in this? Wow. A top 10 at an AMA national from a privateer team with 6 days total on a completely new generation model bike and a career best rider finish !!!! If that doesn't speak volumes for the bike and rider potential and team expertise what does? Well done team, sponsors and personnel.
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skeef wrote:
I'd say more of the rider getting the results than the bike
Bruce372 wrote:
Exactly. People have lost their minds. The bike looked good because it had a young, fit and talented rider, that would have probably got the same...
Exactly.

People have lost their minds. The bike looked good because it had a young, fit and talented rider, that would have probably got the same results with a different bike and similar setup modifications
And taking nothing away from a very good ride by Coty, it was a deeply depleted field for that last round.
1. The rider can only achieve the results that a bike will allow them to. Coty couldn't pick up a left over 2004 CRF450 crate bike for example and get the same result.
2. Do said mods to bike mentioned in point 1 and get back to us with the result.
3. The 2nd part of your sentence contradicts the 1st part.
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The bike shootouts are not an indication of what the bikes are capable of. Just how they’re setup out of the box. The 2020 CRF450R was an absolute awesome bike once you had the suspension revalved. I’m sure the 2021 is the same way, but even better.
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