If I'm Cooper Webb....

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mx1313 wrote:
And if I'm Eli, I say you guys are done. I'm racing for wins. Bunch up all you want. I'll be in front of you anyway.
Exactly, ET3 has a huge point lead and the best mentality to take is go out and kill it!
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6/16/2020 7:17am
Personally, I don't think Eli is going to fuck around with these guys any longer. He won't do anything stupid however. He's never been that way. He knows he's generally faster and he's certainly stronger. If Coop or the other boys want to play push and shove or try to take out his front like Sunday, Eli will win that battle.
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just James wrote:
In that photo you can clearly see Tomac ramming Webb's swingarm. Pretty obvious he was trying to take Webb out. When is someone going to put...
In that photo you can clearly see Tomac ramming Webb's swingarm. Pretty obvious he was trying to take Webb out.
When is someone going to put a stop to Tomac's dirty antics?!




Sarcasm, for those of you who are a little slow on the uptake.
At first, on the broadcast, I heard Ralph say "Webb makes contact with Tomac"..or something like that.. And I thought man Ralph is blind, that's clearly Davalos. Then they did the replace and it's pretty slick on Webb's part.

Think he knew what he was doing? Or was it a coincidence?
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Marcello10 wrote:
Eli did what he did in Vegas because KTM fixed the previous race, that pass made on Musquin gave Dungey three more points that could have...
Eli did what he did in Vegas because KTM fixed the previous race, that pass made on Musquin gave Dungey three more points that could have made a difference on the outcome of the championship and consequently on the way Eli would have ridden his final race. Because of that he know that he really couldn't just win in Vegas anymore and so he decided to play the rules his own way like KTM did in New Jersey the weekend before.

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/more-racing/a1709381/questions-linger-e…


That win for the million must have been a bummer.

How does Eli sleep at night, knowing somebody handed him that win? It must have been tough to see.

He took that home, and is sleeping at night, knowing somebody pulled over for him.

Did either he or Dungey have a choice in having somebody pull over for them? What was Dungey supposed to do? Stop and wait for Marvin? What was Tomac supposed to do? Pull over and let Savatgy pass him again?

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Kinda like brayton. Letting kroc pass him for points. Ironic.
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tprice07 wrote:
At first, on the broadcast, I heard Ralph say "Webb makes contact with Tomac"..or something like that.. And I thought man Ralph is blind, that's clearly...
At first, on the broadcast, I heard Ralph say "Webb makes contact with Tomac"..or something like that.. And I thought man Ralph is blind, that's clearly Davalos. Then they did the replace and it's pretty slick on Webb's part.

Think he knew what he was doing? Or was it a coincidence?
Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the line.

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If Eli wins on Wednesday he'll go for the win on Sunday too. If he doesn't win on Wednesday, Sunday will be the longest 20 mins...
If Eli wins on Wednesday he'll go for the win on Sunday too. If he doesn't win on Wednesday, Sunday will be the longest 20 mins of his career.
Dude so true. I think he's finally ready for that pressure. But he did say "I'll be gunning for it Wednesday" on the podium so it...
Dude so true. I think he's finally ready for that pressure. But he did say "I'll be gunning for it Wednesday" on the podium so it would be cool to see a dog fight again if him and Webb are up front. Eli is fast but man he does not get great starts often.
If I'm Tomac, I purposely lay up in the heat race to have a worse pick to the gate than Webb. That way he can control the start instead of allowing Webb the opportunity to start just inside him for another take out attempt.
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tprice07 wrote:
At first, on the broadcast, I heard Ralph say "Webb makes contact with Tomac"..or something like that.. And I thought man Ralph is blind, that's clearly...
At first, on the broadcast, I heard Ralph say "Webb makes contact with Tomac"..or something like that.. And I thought man Ralph is blind, that's clearly Davalos. Then they did the replace and it's pretty slick on Webb's part.

Think he knew what he was doing? Or was it a coincidence?
Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the...
Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the line.

Blatant take out moves is not what racing is about. Webb has a history of poor sportsmanship in his 250 / early 450 days. You can thank KTM for him hiding it better now.
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Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the...
Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the line.

What? Trying to take someone out in the first corner is cool?

Wanna see cool? Take a look at Ozzy vs Versace. Last lap, last corner, for the championship. Now THAT is racing son. When every single time you get next to a guy faster than you, and you try to take him out/injure him, that isn't racing, that's a small pecker trying to compensate.

MC is without question the King of Supercross. How many guys did he put down on the way to a title? Virtually zero, he owned their asses with raw speed. MC was the fastest, without question, he wasn't some punk trying to ruin anyones career.
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True, but remember Vegas 2017? Tomac pulled some real b s in that main event
I don't understand this mentality. Eli was playing offense. Every professional sport on the planet has a strategic element. If Eli just checked out and won the race, he would not have had any control over the title. So he did the only clean thing he could do that would give him a shot at the title. There's absolutely not a single thing even remotely dirty about what he did. He was thinking strategically.

Remember when McGrath would slow up through tight one-lined ruts in the corner so the rider behind him would either hit him or stall? 2017 Vegas reminded me that. It's a rider thinking strategically and using whatever limited options are available to them to attempt to control what's happening behind them.
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Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the...
Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the line.

gt80rider wrote:
What? Trying to take someone out in the first corner is cool? Wanna see cool? Take a look at Ozzy vs Versace. Last lap, last corner...
What? Trying to take someone out in the first corner is cool?

Wanna see cool? Take a look at Ozzy vs Versace. Last lap, last corner, for the championship. Now THAT is racing son. When every single time you get next to a guy faster than you, and you try to take him out/injure him, that isn't racing, that's a small pecker trying to compensate.

MC is without question the King of Supercross. How many guys did he put down on the way to a title? Virtually zero, he owned their asses with raw speed. MC was the fastest, without question, he wasn't some punk trying to ruin anyones career.
Well said!! Not to mention the take out shit will bite then come outdoor season When They have the fastest guy out there with a bone to pick!!! Good luck with that!
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tprice07 wrote:
At first, on the broadcast, I heard Ralph say "Webb makes contact with Tomac"..or something like that.. And I thought man Ralph is blind, that's clearly...
At first, on the broadcast, I heard Ralph say "Webb makes contact with Tomac"..or something like that.. And I thought man Ralph is blind, that's clearly Davalos. Then they did the replace and it's pretty slick on Webb's part.

Think he knew what he was doing? Or was it a coincidence?
Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the...
Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the line.

Blatant take out moves is not what racing is about. Webb has a history of poor sportsmanship in his 250 / early 450 days. You can...
Blatant take out moves is not what racing is about. Webb has a history of poor sportsmanship in his 250 / early 450 days. You can thank KTM for him hiding it better now.
Blatant take out move? Lolololololololololol.
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tprice07 wrote:
At first, on the broadcast, I heard Ralph say "Webb makes contact with Tomac"..or something like that.. And I thought man Ralph is blind, that's clearly...
At first, on the broadcast, I heard Ralph say "Webb makes contact with Tomac"..or something like that.. And I thought man Ralph is blind, that's clearly Davalos. Then they did the replace and it's pretty slick on Webb's part.

Think he knew what he was doing? Or was it a coincidence?
Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the...
Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the line.

I think you won the monthly “Moran Award.”
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6/16/2020 10:53am Edited Date/Time 6/16/2020 10:53am
If I’m Webb, and I’m thinking about cleaning out Tomac. then my first phone call is to Dean Wilson and figure out what his game plan was then do the opposite.
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If I’m Webb, and I’m thinking about cleaning out Tomac. then my first phone call is to Dean Wilson and figure out what his game plan...
If I’m Webb, and I’m thinking about cleaning out Tomac. then my first phone call is to Dean Wilson and figure out what his game plan was then do the opposite.
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Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the...
Bet your ass Webb knew what he was doing. ...and I applaud him for it. This is what racing is...and there is a championship on the line.

Well, I am glad Webb is a fuck of a lot smarter than you. Webb drifted a bit wide hoping to push Eli wide. No doubt about that. But, Webb wasn't trying to blatantly take Eli out ala Barcia. Webb doesn't want to get into that pissing match with anyone. Especially when he is one of the top 3 riders in SX/MX. He doesn't need to screw with (or take out) people to get wins.
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Marcello10 wrote:
Eli did what he did in Vegas because KTM fixed the previous race, that pass made on Musquin gave Dungey three more points that could have...
Eli did what he did in Vegas because KTM fixed the previous race, that pass made on Musquin gave Dungey three more points that could have made a difference on the outcome of the championship and consequently on the way Eli would have ridden his final race. Because of that he know that he really couldn't just win in Vegas anymore and so he decided to play the rules his own way like KTM did in New Jersey the weekend before.

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/more-racing/a1709381/questions-linger-eli-tomac-wins-2018-monster-energy-cup-las-vegas/ That win for the million must have been a bummer. How does Eli sleep at night, knowing somebody handed him that win? It must have...
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/more-racing/a1709381/questions-linger-e…


That win for the million must have been a bummer.

How does Eli sleep at night, knowing somebody handed him that win? It must have been tough to see.

He took that home, and is sleeping at night, knowing somebody pulled over for him.

Did either he or Dungey have a choice in having somebody pull over for them? What was Dungey supposed to do? Stop and wait for Marvin? What was Tomac supposed to do? Pull over and let Savatgy pass him again?

I think anyone with eyes can see that Tomac was not going to be denied that last win at MEC. Tomac would have passed him anyway.
Although... maybe he was have a little PTSD and didn’t want to be torpedoed again on the last turn in Vegas
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6/16/2020 12:24pm Edited Date/Time 6/16/2020 12:45pm
Marcello10 wrote:
Eli did what he did in Vegas because KTM fixed the previous race, that pass made on Musquin gave Dungey three more points that could have...
Eli did what he did in Vegas because KTM fixed the previous race, that pass made on Musquin gave Dungey three more points that could have made a difference on the outcome of the championship and consequently on the way Eli would have ridden his final race. Because of that he know that he really couldn't just win in Vegas anymore and so he decided to play the rules his own way like KTM did in New Jersey the weekend before.

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/more-racing/a1709381/questions-linger-eli-tomac-wins-2018-monster-energy-cup-las-vegas/ That win for the million must have been a bummer. How does Eli sleep at night, knowing somebody handed him that win? It must have...
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/more-racing/a1709381/questions-linger-e…


That win for the million must have been a bummer.

How does Eli sleep at night, knowing somebody handed him that win? It must have been tough to see.

He took that home, and is sleeping at night, knowing somebody pulled over for him.

Did either he or Dungey have a choice in having somebody pull over for them? What was Dungey supposed to do? Stop and wait for Marvin? What was Tomac supposed to do? Pull over and let Savatgy pass him again?

Are you serious? You compare a battle for a 450 supercross championship to a one off race that every year more than a couple of factory riders decide to not race intentionally because they don't really care and where in that case only one team was involved for the final win?

Dungey definitely knew as much as Musquin what would have happened in a situation like that, there were probably discussions about it in the rig with Roger and Ian and I'm sure he gave him the winning bonus after the race. The thing is that supercross is not know to be F1 so these things shouldn't really happen, especially with only one team doing it. Josh Grant finished just in front of Eli that night in New Jersey, just so you know, Kawasaki didn't tell JG's mechanic to write on the pit-board "1 lap | Eli".
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I'm calling Mr. Ken Roczen tomorrow... "Kenny, we need to work together buddy. Neither of us have a shot at this title if we let the...
I'm calling Mr. Ken Roczen tomorrow...

"Kenny, we need to work together buddy. Neither of us have a shot at this title if we let the green bike follow us around for two more races. Let's bunch 'em up on Wednesday night and hope for some carnage behind us. This is the only way to put ourselves in a position to battle for the championship on Sunday. May the best man win"...

The best man is already winning
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Marcello10 wrote:
Eli did what he did in Vegas because KTM fixed the previous race, that pass made on Musquin gave Dungey three more points that could have...
Eli did what he did in Vegas because KTM fixed the previous race, that pass made on Musquin gave Dungey three more points that could have made a difference on the outcome of the championship and consequently on the way Eli would have ridden his final race. Because of that he know that he really couldn't just win in Vegas anymore and so he decided to play the rules his own way like KTM did in New Jersey the weekend before.

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/more-racing/a1709381/questions-linger-eli-tomac-wins-2018-monster-energy-cup-las-vegas/ That win for the million must have been a bummer. How does Eli sleep at night, knowing somebody handed him that win? It must have...
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/more-racing/a1709381/questions-linger-e…


That win for the million must have been a bummer.

How does Eli sleep at night, knowing somebody handed him that win? It must have been tough to see.

He took that home, and is sleeping at night, knowing somebody pulled over for him.

Did either he or Dungey have a choice in having somebody pull over for them? What was Dungey supposed to do? Stop and wait for Marvin? What was Tomac supposed to do? Pull over and let Savatgy pass him again?

Marcello10 wrote:
Are you serious? You compare a battle for a 450 supercross championship to a one off race that every year more than a couple of factory...
Are you serious? You compare a battle for a 450 supercross championship to a one off race that every year more than a couple of factory riders decide to not race intentionally because they don't really care and where in that case only one team was involved for the final win?

Dungey definitely knew as much as Musquin what would have happened in a situation like that, there were probably discussions about it in the rig with Roger and Ian and I'm sure he gave him the winning bonus after the race. The thing is that supercross is not know to be F1 so these things shouldn't really happen, especially with only one team doing it. Josh Grant finished just in front of Eli that night in New Jersey, just so you know, Kawasaki didn't tell JG's mechanic to write on the pit-board "1 lap | Eli".
speculation on the ktm team orders, or is proof available?

did kawi have team orders for the monster million? don't tell me they had no interest in winning that race. we can both speculate on orders being given. maybe it was a thoughtful team-mate, maybe it wasn't.

just saying eli alluded to not being able to sleep at night if someone pulled over for him. somebody did; and he won a million fricken dollars as a result!

I don't imagine either rider asked for the help... but apparently one rider was not compensated for pulling over, and later complained about it. clearly that rider felt that him pulling over helped out a great deal.
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https://www.autoweek.com/racing/more-racing/a1709381/questions-linger-eli-tomac-wins-2018-monster-energy-cup-las-vegas/ That win for the million must have been a bummer. How does Eli sleep at night, knowing somebody handed him that win? It must have...
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/more-racing/a1709381/questions-linger-e…


That win for the million must have been a bummer.

How does Eli sleep at night, knowing somebody handed him that win? It must have been tough to see.

He took that home, and is sleeping at night, knowing somebody pulled over for him.

Did either he or Dungey have a choice in having somebody pull over for them? What was Dungey supposed to do? Stop and wait for Marvin? What was Tomac supposed to do? Pull over and let Savatgy pass him again?

Marcello10 wrote:
Are you serious? You compare a battle for a 450 supercross championship to a one off race that every year more than a couple of factory...
Are you serious? You compare a battle for a 450 supercross championship to a one off race that every year more than a couple of factory riders decide to not race intentionally because they don't really care and where in that case only one team was involved for the final win?

Dungey definitely knew as much as Musquin what would have happened in a situation like that, there were probably discussions about it in the rig with Roger and Ian and I'm sure he gave him the winning bonus after the race. The thing is that supercross is not know to be F1 so these things shouldn't really happen, especially with only one team doing it. Josh Grant finished just in front of Eli that night in New Jersey, just so you know, Kawasaki didn't tell JG's mechanic to write on the pit-board "1 lap | Eli".
speculation on the ktm team orders, or is proof available? did kawi have team orders for the monster million? don't tell me they had no interest...
speculation on the ktm team orders, or is proof available?

did kawi have team orders for the monster million? don't tell me they had no interest in winning that race. we can both speculate on orders being given. maybe it was a thoughtful team-mate, maybe it wasn't.

just saying eli alluded to not being able to sleep at night if someone pulled over for him. somebody did; and he won a million fricken dollars as a result!

I don't imagine either rider asked for the help... but apparently one rider was not compensated for pulling over, and later complained about it. clearly that rider felt that him pulling over helped out a great deal.
It seems like you aren’t that informed and again, you can’t compare a team order given during a battle for the premier Supercross title and one given in an offseason race to make one rider win a grand prize that no other team/riders could have won, two absolutely different situations.


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some of you have never heard of Bob Hannah...
I can't believe the amount of softies around here. I guess it could be chalked up as only very few have the mindset of a champion...
I can't believe the amount of softies around here. I guess it could be chalked up as only very few have the mindset of a champion...

If it were up to nearly everyone is this thread, Zach Osborne would not have a 2017 250 championship on his resume because they would have felt it was unsportsmanlike or a chicken shit move to make a pass for the title and a million dollars.
I wonder where Osborne would be if he had not made that move?
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if you're Cooper Webb...you are about to lose the #1 plate.
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I'm an old man now and I don't get the mentality of winning at the cost of sacrificing good sportsmanship and honor. We are fans of...
I'm an old man now and I don't get the mentality of winning at the cost of sacrificing good sportsmanship and honor. We are fans of Supercross racing . . . it's not Thunderdome

I cant recall Decoster, Smith, RC, Villipoto, Dungey, Stewart having to try to put their rival on the ground to be the best and win #1 plates.
rongi#401 wrote:
True, but remember Vegas 2017? Tomac pulled some real b s in that main event
If by "bs" you mean messing with Dungy while doing everything to avoid actually crashing him out. If Tomac was dirty, Dunge would have been on the ground.
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I'm calling Mr. Ken Roczen tomorrow... "Kenny, we need to work together buddy. Neither of us have a shot at this title if we let the...
I'm calling Mr. Ken Roczen tomorrow...

"Kenny, we need to work together buddy. Neither of us have a shot at this title if we let the green bike follow us around for two more races. Let's bunch 'em up on Wednesday night and hope for some carnage behind us. This is the only way to put ourselves in a position to battle for the championship on Sunday. May the best man win"...

Yo!

What do ya think this is?

NASCAR?!

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“If you’re Webb,” you got beat by a guy with Shingles yesterday and you get two more races with the number 1 plate. You choked, Eli...
“If you’re Webb,” you got beat by a guy with Shingles yesterday and you get two more races with the number 1 plate.

You choked, Eli didn’t.
BURN!!!
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Hey Eli, If you finish 3rd the last 2 rounds thats cool.
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Hey Eli, If you finish 3rd the last 2 rounds thats cool.
I hope he wins it outright tomorrow night but I suspect a couple of 3rd - 5ths is most likely.

There is no sense in risking too much.
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Keith72 wrote:
Hey Eli, If you finish 3rd the last 2 rounds thats cool.
kpiper wrote:
I hope he wins it outright tomorrow night but I suspect a couple of 3rd - 5ths is most likely. There is no sense in risking...
I hope he wins it outright tomorrow night but I suspect a couple of 3rd - 5ths is most likely.

There is no sense in risking too much.
Yup. These "If's and But's" guys are fucking stupid.
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Kenny and Cooper working together? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Woohoo
Eskimo bros unite!
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