Tomac and Dungey now tied in SX wins

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mx 219 wrote:
Even as a Tomac fan I don't see him getting to 50. I think 40 is reasonable, maybe even 45. But that is still 11 more...
Even as a Tomac fan I don't see him getting to 50. I think 40 is reasonable, maybe even 45. But that is still 11 more wins between this year and next year...things change every year, people get better. and let's not forget Eli is no Mike Alessi when it comes to starts.

Hard to say how long he will ride. If he rides 2 more years then maybe 50, otherwise I say 40-45.
We never know what really drives athletes. I wouldn't be surprised if Eli just hung it up after the outdoor season this year. I hope he doesn't. He's 27, which is the same age Dungey and Carmichael retired, and a year older than Villopoto.

But watching him battle with Webb last night, when he didn't need to, gives me hope that he's not ready to settle yet. Win or lose, Tomac gives us some great entertainment.
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Tomac can not be put anywhere near Dungey when it comes to SX. Dungey is a multi time 450 SX champion Tomac looks to be on his way to his first.
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mx 219 wrote:
Even as a Tomac fan I don't see him getting to 50. I think 40 is reasonable, maybe even 45. But that is still 11 more...
Even as a Tomac fan I don't see him getting to 50. I think 40 is reasonable, maybe even 45. But that is still 11 more wins between this year and next year...things change every year, people get better. and let's not forget Eli is no Mike Alessi when it comes to starts.

Hard to say how long he will ride. If he rides 2 more years then maybe 50, otherwise I say 40-45.
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We never know what really drives athletes. I wouldn't be surprised if Eli just hung it up after the outdoor season this year. I hope he...
We never know what really drives athletes. I wouldn't be surprised if Eli just hung it up after the outdoor season this year. I hope he doesn't. He's 27, which is the same age Dungey and Carmichael retired, and a year older than Villopoto.

But watching him battle with Webb last night, when he didn't need to, gives me hope that he's not ready to settle yet. Win or lose, Tomac gives us some great entertainment.
I'm with you, I could see him retiring after this year if he wins both titles or even just he SX title. I also have a feeling he may want to come back and try to repeat in SX if he wins it.... Who knows, maybe he will ride into his 30's.
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BobbyM wrote:
The most wins without a title is not a statistic to be super proud of in my opinion. He should have at least 1 title after...
The most wins without a title is not a statistic to be super proud of in my opinion. He should have at least 1 title after this season, he deserves it no doubt.
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Who was it that asked for your opinion?
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To be fair he's right, but if I finished with one championship and 5th-6th in all time wins, I wouldn't lose any sleep at all. Tomac...
To be fair he's right, but if I finished with one championship and 5th-6th in all time wins, I wouldn't lose any sleep at all. Tomac knows he threw away a couple years, this is redemption. And he's crushing it.
Ask Damon Bradshaw how it feels to be "the guy" for a few years and walk away empty handed.
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mx 219 wrote:
Even as a Tomac fan I don't see him getting to 50. I think 40 is reasonable, maybe even 45. But that is still 11 more...
Even as a Tomac fan I don't see him getting to 50. I think 40 is reasonable, maybe even 45. But that is still 11 more wins between this year and next year...things change every year, people get better. and let's not forget Eli is no Mike Alessi when it comes to starts.

Hard to say how long he will ride. If he rides 2 more years then maybe 50, otherwise I say 40-45.
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We never know what really drives athletes. I wouldn't be surprised if Eli just hung it up after the outdoor season this year. I hope he...
We never know what really drives athletes. I wouldn't be surprised if Eli just hung it up after the outdoor season this year. I hope he doesn't. He's 27, which is the same age Dungey and Carmichael retired, and a year older than Villopoto.

But watching him battle with Webb last night, when he didn't need to, gives me hope that he's not ready to settle yet. Win or lose, Tomac gives us some great entertainment.
mx 219 wrote:
I'm with you, I could see him retiring after this year if he wins both titles or even just he SX title. I also have a...
I'm with you, I could see him retiring after this year if he wins both titles or even just he SX title. I also have a feeling he may want to come back and try to repeat in SX if he wins it.... Who knows, maybe he will ride into his 30's.
This is first year of his new multi-year contract. No way he retires after this year. If you ask me- after 2022 Nationals.
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731chopper wrote:
Who was it that asked for your opinion?
CJ Hadwin wrote:
To be fair he's right, but if I finished with one championship and 5th-6th in all time wins, I wouldn't lose any sleep at all. Tomac...
To be fair he's right, but if I finished with one championship and 5th-6th in all time wins, I wouldn't lose any sleep at all. Tomac knows he threw away a couple years, this is redemption. And he's crushing it.
motomike137 wrote:
Ask Damon Bradshaw how it feels to be "the guy" for a few years and walk away empty handed.
I'm sure Bradshaw feels fine about his career. He still did more than most that live the dream of being a professional racer.
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mx 219 wrote:
Even as a Tomac fan I don't see him getting to 50. I think 40 is reasonable, maybe even 45. But that is still 11 more...
Even as a Tomac fan I don't see him getting to 50. I think 40 is reasonable, maybe even 45. But that is still 11 more wins between this year and next year...things change every year, people get better. and let's not forget Eli is no Mike Alessi when it comes to starts.

Hard to say how long he will ride. If he rides 2 more years then maybe 50, otherwise I say 40-45.
Way off beam. Eli will be around for another 5 maybe 10 years and will get the all time wins record.

His strength, fitness, durability, allegiances and sponsor and fan appeal are above reproach.
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We'll be lucky if he's there in 3 years ~ 50+ wins. 34 wins is 4M in bonuses. Maybe he gets greedy or happier w/his job...
We'll be lucky if he's there in 3 years ~ 50+ wins. 34 wins is 4M in bonuses. Maybe he gets greedy or happier w/his job and stays longer but seems to me that he could call it a career as soon as end of next year.
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Eli will have outstanding durability and be winning mains in his 30's
He pretty much has said 2021 will be his last year. Hope not but probably correct.

Racing will be boring without him.

Eli "The Most Entertaining Rider Ever" Tomac.
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Tomac can not be put anywhere near Dungey when it comes to SX. Dungey is a multi time 450 SX champion Tomac looks to be on...
Tomac can not be put anywhere near Dungey when it comes to SX. Dungey is a multi time 450 SX champion Tomac looks to be on his way to his first.
Let's do a poll, would you rather be Tomac with no SX titles or Dungey? Add in the MX titles to make the call. The money is irrelevant because they both have plenty.

Personally, I would rather be Tomac. History will remember him as a true badass on a dirt bike. The fastest guy ever considering the speed they ride these days.

"Beast Mode". Those come from behind races are all-time classics. Yea, easy choice for me. People will remember Tomac long after they forgot about Ryan.
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^^^ Dungey > Tomac
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RalphS wrote:
We'll be lucky if he's there in 3 years ~ 50+ wins. 34 wins is 4M in bonuses. Maybe he gets greedy or happier w/his job...
We'll be lucky if he's there in 3 years ~ 50+ wins. 34 wins is 4M in bonuses. Maybe he gets greedy or happier w/his job and stays longer but seems to me that he could call it a career as soon as end of next year.
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Eli will have outstanding durability and be winning mains in his 30's
This I can agree with.
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Dungey was a racing engineer. Tomac, as they say, is a beast. It really depends how you are wired. Dungey was great to watch win...a bit boring to say the least however. Tomac...well, Tomac is the type of racer you keep your eyes glued to.
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Dungey was a racing engineer. Tomac, as they say, is a beast. It really depends how you are wired. Dungey was great to watch win...a bit...
Dungey was a racing engineer. Tomac, as they say, is a beast. It really depends how you are wired. Dungey was great to watch win...a bit boring to say the least however. Tomac...well, Tomac is the type of racer you keep your eyes glued to.
Yes.

Dungey was like Stanton. You have great respect for them both but the memory of how good they were fade over time.

Eli's rides will be remembered.
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CJ Hadwin wrote:
To be fair he's right, but if I finished with one championship and 5th-6th in all time wins, I wouldn't lose any sleep at all. Tomac...
To be fair he's right, but if I finished with one championship and 5th-6th in all time wins, I wouldn't lose any sleep at all. Tomac knows he threw away a couple years, this is redemption. And he's crushing it.
motomike137 wrote:
Ask Damon Bradshaw how it feels to be "the guy" for a few years and walk away empty handed.
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I'm sure Bradshaw feels fine about his career. He still did more than most that live the dream of being a professional racer.
You have no idea what it's like to be an elite athlete then.

You don't think it grinds him to sit around the Fite Klub campfire and have guys shit talking you on your biggest failure. To get to that level you have to be an insanely driven individual.
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Then why does EVERYONE remember Bradshaw? Ask anyone interested in motocross who the beast from the east is. As far as grinding on him...doubtful.
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motomike137 wrote:
Ask Damon Bradshaw how it feels to be "the guy" for a few years and walk away empty handed.
Maverick313 wrote:
I'm sure Bradshaw feels fine about his career. He still did more than most that live the dream of being a professional racer.
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You have no idea what it's like to be an elite athlete then. You don't think it grinds him to sit around the Fite Klub campfire...
You have no idea what it's like to be an elite athlete then.

You don't think it grinds him to sit around the Fite Klub campfire and have guys shit talking you on your biggest failure. To get to that level you have to be an insanely driven individual.
The only way to know is to ask Bradshaw. It seems like he has gotten over it and it is not something that bothers him anymore. I am sure some people can let it go easier than others.

No doubt he is a memorable rider but you can't even come close to putting him at the level of Eli.

Eli has two 250 titles, all the crazy SX wins (like last Sunday) plus three in a row in 450 MX makes him an all-time great.

No one since RC has done three in a row.
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McG194 6/9/2020 8:40am
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mx1313 wrote:
Then why does EVERYONE remember Bradshaw? Ask anyone interested in motocross who the beast from the east is. As far as grinding on him...doubtful.
Everyone remembers Bradshaw because he was spectacular and a freaking child prodigy. I am about his age and remember reading about him winning Mini-O's when we were both around 12 years old or something like that. As an amateur Stanton was just a guy, as a pro he became The Guy.

If you would rather have Bradshaw's career over Stanton's that tells me one of two things. You have no idea what sport you are watching or that you are a loser.

"Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." B. Schembechler.
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McG194 wrote:
Everyone remembers Bradshaw because he was spectacular and a freaking child prodigy. I am about his age and remember reading about him winning Mini-O's when we...
Everyone remembers Bradshaw because he was spectacular and a freaking child prodigy. I am about his age and remember reading about him winning Mini-O's when we were both around 12 years old or something like that. As an amateur Stanton was just a guy, as a pro he became The Guy.

If you would rather have Bradshaw's career over Stanton's that tells me one of two things. You have no idea what sport you are watching or that you are a loser.

"Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." B. Schembechler.
Much rather have Stanton's career over Bradshaw's. No comparison.
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Mit12 wrote:
Tomac can not be put anywhere near Dungey when it comes to SX. Dungey is a multi time 450 SX champion Tomac looks to be on...
Tomac can not be put anywhere near Dungey when it comes to SX. Dungey is a multi time 450 SX champion Tomac looks to be on his way to his first.
kpiper wrote:
Let's do a poll, would you rather be Tomac with no SX titles or Dungey? Add in the MX titles to make the call. The money...
Let's do a poll, would you rather be Tomac with no SX titles or Dungey? Add in the MX titles to make the call. The money is irrelevant because they both have plenty.

Personally, I would rather be Tomac. History will remember him as a true badass on a dirt bike. The fastest guy ever considering the speed they ride these days.

"Beast Mode". Those come from behind races are all-time classics. Yea, easy choice for me. People will remember Tomac long after they forgot about Ryan.
Dungey all day long.
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Maverick313 wrote:
I'm sure Bradshaw feels fine about his career. He still did more than most that live the dream of being a professional racer.
McG194 wrote:
You have no idea what it's like to be an elite athlete then. You don't think it grinds him to sit around the Fite Klub campfire...
You have no idea what it's like to be an elite athlete then.

You don't think it grinds him to sit around the Fite Klub campfire and have guys shit talking you on your biggest failure. To get to that level you have to be an insanely driven individual.
kpiper wrote:
The only way to know is to ask Bradshaw. It seems like he has gotten over it and it is not something that bothers him anymore...
The only way to know is to ask Bradshaw. It seems like he has gotten over it and it is not something that bothers him anymore. I am sure some people can let it go easier than others.

No doubt he is a memorable rider but you can't even come close to putting him at the level of Eli.

Eli has two 250 titles, all the crazy SX wins (like last Sunday) plus three in a row in 450 MX makes him an all-time great.

No one since RC has done three in a row.
Didn't Chad Reed say eli wasn't all that great awhile back
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At this point Eli Tomac reminds me of the Oregon Ducks, all those wins and all that speed but not SX titles lol. Go Dawgs.
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McG194 wrote:
You have no idea what it's like to be an elite athlete then. You don't think it grinds him to sit around the Fite Klub campfire...
You have no idea what it's like to be an elite athlete then.

You don't think it grinds him to sit around the Fite Klub campfire and have guys shit talking you on your biggest failure. To get to that level you have to be an insanely driven individual.
kpiper wrote:
The only way to know is to ask Bradshaw. It seems like he has gotten over it and it is not something that bothers him anymore...
The only way to know is to ask Bradshaw. It seems like he has gotten over it and it is not something that bothers him anymore. I am sure some people can let it go easier than others.

No doubt he is a memorable rider but you can't even come close to putting him at the level of Eli.

Eli has two 250 titles, all the crazy SX wins (like last Sunday) plus three in a row in 450 MX makes him an all-time great.

No one since RC has done three in a row.
trsixy wrote:
Didn't Chad Reed say eli wasn't all that great awhile back
Does Eli have more titles than Chad?
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mx510 wrote:
At this point Eli Tomac reminds me of the Oregon Ducks, all those wins and all that speed but not SX titles lol. Go Dawgs.
As a Lions fan I would still love to punch Joey Harrington in the face.
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kpiper wrote:
Let's do a poll, would you rather be Tomac with no SX titles or Dungey? Add in the MX titles to make the call. The money...
Let's do a poll, would you rather be Tomac with no SX titles or Dungey? Add in the MX titles to make the call. The money is irrelevant because they both have plenty.

Personally, I would rather be Tomac. History will remember him as a true badass on a dirt bike. The fastest guy ever considering the speed they ride these days.

"Beast Mode". Those come from behind races are all-time classics. Yea, easy choice for me. People will remember Tomac long after they forgot about Ryan.
For most of my life, I just casually followed Supercross. In the 80's and 90's I watched the replays on TV, but the coverage wasn't great. For most of the 2000's I didn't really watch at all, but I always knew who was winning.

In 2015 I started watching regularly. I've basically watched every SX and MX for the last 6 years. So that's my perspective. I didn't get to watch Stewart in his prime, and barely ever watched Carmichael.

Does anybody compare to Tomac the way he just goes into that beast mode? Dungey and Webb have had some good rides for sure. But when Tomac just starts throwing his bike into corners and casing jumps, it's just crazy to watch.
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hamncheeze 6/9/2020 10:17am
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10 years from now people will talk about Tomac's rides like we talk about Stewart's rides (not that he is equal to JS7!! I'm NOT saying that), but the Mt Rushmore of SX/MX will have Dungey on it (and RV).
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^^^ Dungey > Tomac
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kpiper wrote:
Let's do a poll, would you rather be Tomac with no SX titles or Dungey? Add in the MX titles to make the call. The money...
Let's do a poll, would you rather be Tomac with no SX titles or Dungey? Add in the MX titles to make the call. The money is irrelevant because they both have plenty.

Personally, I would rather be Tomac. History will remember him as a true badass on a dirt bike. The fastest guy ever considering the speed they ride these days.

"Beast Mode". Those come from behind races are all-time classics. Yea, easy choice for me. People will remember Tomac long after they forgot about Ryan.
Dungey .. lets not forget he won MXON 3 times with team USA , he won 3 outdoortitles and 3 or 4 SX titles in 450
thats some impressive stats , Eli isnt even close ...
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trsixy wrote:
Didn't Chad Reed say eli wasn't all that great awhile back
He also used to say Villopoto and Dungey weren’t anything special, while getting beat by them about 75% of the time. He was more competitive back then so people actually thought his statement held water. Now I think people realize he just says shit to make himself feel better.
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Two of the top 4 SX riders ever only have 2 titles each.. (amazingly)
Stew and chad..
I imagine Eli will also have 2 by the time he is done.. puts him in the all time conversation
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kpiper wrote:
Let's do a poll, would you rather be Tomac with no SX titles or Dungey? Add in the MX titles to make the call. The money...
Let's do a poll, would you rather be Tomac with no SX titles or Dungey? Add in the MX titles to make the call. The money is irrelevant because they both have plenty.

Personally, I would rather be Tomac. History will remember him as a true badass on a dirt bike. The fastest guy ever considering the speed they ride these days.

"Beast Mode". Those come from behind races are all-time classics. Yea, easy choice for me. People will remember Tomac long after they forgot about Ryan.
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Dungey .. lets not forget he won MXON 3 times with team USA , he won 3 outdoortitles and 3 or 4 SX titles in 450...
Dungey .. lets not forget he won MXON 3 times with team USA , he won 3 outdoortitles and 3 or 4 SX titles in 450
thats some impressive stats , Eli isnt even close ...
Yep, Dunge is in the elite class and Tomac still has championships to win to be in that conversation.
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