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If the season is cancelled...are there any 250 guys that fail to ‘point out’ and get to stay down another year? Another interesting dynamic of the current situation...

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3/14/2020 9:55am Edited Date/Time 3/14/2020 9:58am
If the season is cancelled...are there any 250 guys that fail to ‘point out’ and get to stay down another year? Another interesting dynamic of the...
If the season is cancelled...are there any 250 guys that fail to ‘point out’ and get to stay down another year? Another interesting dynamic of the current situation...

Thoughts?
I can’t think of anyone that really needs to move up that really should move to the 450 class. So it’s a moot point.

If things end now the two guys that would move up are Sexton and Ferrandis as they both will have won the East and West coast titles two years in a row. Sexton is already gone. We have know that. I’m sure Ferrandis will be happy to move up.
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McElrath won’t point out.
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If the season is cancelled...are there any 250 guys that fail to ‘point out’ and get to stay down another year? Another interesting dynamic of the...
If the season is cancelled...are there any 250 guys that fail to ‘point out’ and get to stay down another year? Another interesting dynamic of the current situation...

Thoughts?
Racer111 wrote:
I can’t think of anyone that really needs to move up that really should move to the 450 class. So it’s a moot point. If things...
I can’t think of anyone that really needs to move up that really should move to the 450 class. So it’s a moot point.

If things end now the two guys that would move up are Sexton and Ferrandis as they both will have won the East and West coast titles two years in a row. Sexton is already gone. We have know that. I’m sure Ferrandis will be happy to move up.
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If the season is cancelled...are there any 250 guys that fail to ‘point out’ and get to stay down another year? Another interesting dynamic of the...
If the season is cancelled...are there any 250 guys that fail to ‘point out’ and get to stay down another year? Another interesting dynamic of the current situation...

Thoughts?
Racer111 wrote:
I can’t think of anyone that really needs to move up that really should move to the 450 class. So it’s a moot point. If things...
I can’t think of anyone that really needs to move up that really should move to the 450 class. So it’s a moot point.

If things end now the two guys that would move up are Sexton and Ferrandis as they both will have won the East and West coast titles two years in a row. Sexton is already gone. We have know that. I’m sure Ferrandis will be happy to move up.
stremme12 wrote:
Mcelrath
I personally think he should move up, but as GuyB just mentioned, he's not pointing out of the 250 class. It's a pretty safe assumption to say that he'll be riding the 250 again in 2021.

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GuyB wrote:
McElrath won’t point out.
Lost all respect for that guy last year. The new Marty D of the 250 class.
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3/14/2020 12:33pm
GuyB wrote:
McElrath won’t point out.
mb60 wrote:
Lost all respect for that guy last year. The new Marty D of the 250 class.
Except he’s only 25 and Marty was 30...

And for the record, Hampshire is 24.
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I don’t get all the hate on not moving up if you are still eligible. Imagine your boss walking into your office and saying hey you did really well these past few years, but there is no room for advancement so you’ll just have to do free lance work on the side and hope we pick you back up. Or you could just stay at this lower paying job you still qualify for?
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Throughout his career SM12 has shown DF, AC and AP speed at times, dude has to get it done next year. Man silly season started early this year.
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The point out requirement varies based on the number of races held. If you score an average of 16 points or more per race, you hit the threshold for that year. However, given the unusual circumstances, I could see them making an exception for this season.
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Hoks wrote:
I don’t get all the hate on not moving up if you are still eligible. Imagine your boss walking into your office and saying hey you...
I don’t get all the hate on not moving up if you are still eligible. Imagine your boss walking into your office and saying hey you did really well these past few years, but there is no room for advancement so you’ll just have to do free lance work on the side and hope we pick you back up. Or you could just stay at this lower paying job you still qualify for?
Terrible analogy is terrible.
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GuyB wrote:
McElrath won’t point out.
mb60 wrote:
Lost all respect for that guy last year. The new Marty D of the 250 class.
I'll call that a fail on your part.
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GuyB wrote:
McElrath won’t point out.
mb60 wrote:
Lost all respect for that guy last year. The new Marty D of the 250 class.
I think it was the right move for him. He's riding great on the Star Yamaha. No need another for a mid-pack 450 racer.
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3/14/2020 9:31pm
GuyB wrote:
McElrath won’t point out.
mb60 wrote:
Lost all respect for that guy last year. The new Marty D of the 250 class.
Sir, you must not be a legit Texan.
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GuyB wrote:
I'll call that a fail on your part.
Do you think what he did to leave TLD is ok? Seemed kinda greasy to me, he has even mentioned having to come to grips with it himself.
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3/15/2020 12:49am Edited Date/Time 3/15/2020 12:50am
GuyB wrote:
McElrath won’t point out.
mb60 wrote:
Lost all respect for that guy last year. The new Marty D of the 250 class.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Except he’s only 25 and Marty was 30...

And for the record, Hampshire is 24.
I think it is also kind of a new era ;

Larocco, Windham, Reed and Brayton have proved they could be as competitive at 35 than the youngsters.

It is a huge evolution for the sport compared to the 80s, 90s and years 2000s, where the riders were actually considered old from 25. Back in the day, many parents were concerned about moto careers for instance, they were thinking "yeah my son may make it but it will make a bit of money for what, 5 years ?". Nowadays, it is possible to make a much longer career, more than 15 years, then to stay in the industry as coach etc. That is a much better perspective.
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Ferrandis needs to move up, pretty sure he would be mixing it with top end talent in 450 class.
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struth wrote:
Ferrandis needs to move up, pretty sure he would be mixing it with top end talent in 450 class.

He is forced to move up anyway, he won the title last year so he could only defend it once.
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I don't really get the whole too old/ pointing out argument?
If the 250 class is meant to be a development series, then make it one by having an age limit and restrict modifications more tightly. If it's not a development series and it's a legitimate professional class, as it currently seems, then drop the restrictions and pointing out farce. You can't have it both ways.

Years ago, it was common to have smaller bike specialists and that was nothing to joke about, it was seen as cool, think Steve Lawson. While riders like Hannah and Dowd raced the smaller class after their mid 20s, no one ridiculed those guys.

Personally I'd love to see a full-on professional 250 class that does a full series along with a proper support/ development series with age and bike limitations for the regional titles.
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I believe J.Mart would no longer point out and be back on a 250 again as well.
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mx510 wrote:
Do you think what he did to leave TLD is ok? Seemed kinda greasy to me, he has even mentioned having to come to grips with...
Do you think what he did to leave TLD is ok? Seemed kinda greasy to me, he has even mentioned having to come to grips with it himself.
I'll bite. What did McElrath do to get out of his last contract?
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Didn’t John Dowd start racing at 20 ? Not sure an age thing is good. I must be pretty F’n bored to comment on a thread like this. Sucks that this isolation crap , a big crash , and rain hit at the same time.
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mx510 wrote:
Do you think what he did to leave TLD is ok? Seemed kinda greasy to me, he has even mentioned having to come to grips with...
Do you think what he did to leave TLD is ok? Seemed kinda greasy to me, he has even mentioned having to come to grips with it himself.
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I'll bite. What did McElrath do to get out of his last contract?
Sat out supercross race/races (don’t remember how many) so that he wouldn’t point out. TLD gave the ok then signed with Star instead of re upping with TLD.
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mx510 wrote:
Sat out supercross race/races (don’t remember how many) so that he wouldn’t point out. TLD gave the ok then signed with Star instead of re upping...
Sat out supercross race/races (don’t remember how many) so that he wouldn’t point out. TLD gave the ok then signed with Star instead of re upping with TLD.
Oh, that.

There is a bit of a history of 'interesting' things happening to some riders when pointing out is a possibility. The report back then was that McElrath was hurt, right?

Is it fact or speculation that he wasn't?

Either way, I see the rest as a series of 'business decisions':

1). If TLD agreed to say he was hurt when he wasn't, so he could have another year, but didn't get him to sign on the dotted line then - business decision.

2) When TLD contract expires, Shane makes another business decision to do what he felt was best for his career & signs elsewhere.

How many interviews have we all read, where riders who weren't on a YZ250F talk about how fast those bikes are or how much HP they are cranking out?

It seems like the teams are immune from criticism for their business decisions so I try to give professional athletes the same leeway.

I think it took some courage for Shane to leave the familiar and try something different, albeit on the 'fastest' factory 250F (so it would seem). For whatever reason, what he'd been doing the last few years wasn't getting the results he needed. And with only 1 year left.....Well as I said, I never blame an athlete for taking what he feels is the 'best offer'.

TLD didn't do what was necessary to keep him - another business decision.





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TeamGreen wrote:
Sir, you must not be a legit Texan.
Born and raised sir. Just did not care for how he went about his business last year. Plus the constant complaining about not getting the bike right.
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3/15/2020 8:25pm Edited Date/Time 3/15/2020 8:26pm
KX500 wrote:
Oh, that. There is a bit of a history of 'interesting' things happening to some riders when pointing out is a possibility. The report back then...
Oh, that.

There is a bit of a history of 'interesting' things happening to some riders when pointing out is a possibility. The report back then was that McElrath was hurt, right?

Is it fact or speculation that he wasn't?

Either way, I see the rest as a series of 'business decisions':

1). If TLD agreed to say he was hurt when he wasn't, so he could have another year, but didn't get him to sign on the dotted line then - business decision.

2) When TLD contract expires, Shane makes another business decision to do what he felt was best for his career & signs elsewhere.

How many interviews have we all read, where riders who weren't on a YZ250F talk about how fast those bikes are or how much HP they are cranking out?

It seems like the teams are immune from criticism for their business decisions so I try to give professional athletes the same leeway.

I think it took some courage for Shane to leave the familiar and try something different, albeit on the 'fastest' factory 250F (so it would seem). For whatever reason, what he'd been doing the last few years wasn't getting the results he needed. And with only 1 year left.....Well as I said, I never blame an athlete for taking what he feels is the 'best offer'.

TLD didn't do what was necessary to keep him - another business decision.





I agree with a lot of what you said. I still feel though that his move was a bit greasy and in a couple of his interviews he mentions at the end last year making some “childish” decisions and actions.
3/15/2020 11:17pm
GuyB wrote:
I'll call that a fail on your part.
mx510 wrote:
Do you think what he did to leave TLD is ok? Seemed kinda greasy to me, he has even mentioned having to come to grips with...
Do you think what he did to leave TLD is ok? Seemed kinda greasy to me, he has even mentioned having to come to grips with it himself.
What did he do that was greasy? In one of the motospy episodes Tyler keefe mentioned how Shane didn't even give them a day to counter or didn't call him back before he signed with star (I dont remember exactly what he said, but it was something along those lines). He seemed pretty pissed about it, is there more to the story?
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There are lots of details that we'll probably never really know.

Which is another reason why I say 'It seems like the teams are immune from criticism for their business decisions so I try to give professional athletes the same leeway.'

There was a reason, or several, why Shane wanted to sign somewhere other than TLD. He is smart enough not to air the dirty laundry (if it even falls into that category).

And it could be that TLD would say - we have no idea why he left - or maybe Yeah there were a few things he wanted we just couldn't do. Who knows!

Another thing I've noticed is that very few want to burn a bridge. And I can't blame them - there are only so many brands of bikes to ride.

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