Tampa Observations

mx 219
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A lot of carnage, good guys going down or getting bad starts. AC cost me the top 5 in RM Fantasy, if he had kept it upright and stayed in front of Webb.Marty was my wildcard, so close there too.

Mookie, you looked great, but you need better endurance, your collapse from 3rd to 7th in the last 10 minutes was pretty bad (and you could have easily gotten 9th).

Barcia did good coming through the pack, Ando did okay, and Osborne came from like 21st to 11th.
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ShipLap
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2/15/2020 7:35pm
Can Adam ever finish a race without falling !?!?!?!
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kkawboy14
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2/15/2020 7:37pm
What happened to Osborne tonight?
2/15/2020 7:40pm
mx 219 wrote:
A lot of carnage, good guys going down or getting bad starts. AC cost me the top 5 in RM Fantasy, if he had kept it...
A lot of carnage, good guys going down or getting bad starts. AC cost me the top 5 in RM Fantasy, if he had kept it upright and stayed in front of Webb.Marty was my wildcard, so close there too.

Mookie, you looked great, but you need better endurance, your collapse from 3rd to 7th in the last 10 minutes was pretty bad (and you could have easily gotten 9th).

Barcia did good coming through the pack, Ando did okay, and Osborne came from like 21st to 11th.
"AC cost me...Mookie...your collapse...was pretty bad...Ando did okay"

That's all pretty negative. I get the impression that it's a lot harder than it looks and they are all trying.
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bigk218
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2/15/2020 7:43pm
That sand section was spectacular
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2/15/2020 7:44pm
ShipLap wrote:
Can Adam ever finish a race without falling !?!?!?!
This is exactly what most knowledgeable people had expected of him. Blazing fast qualifying, some solid podiums, and a lot of crashes. Happens to most 450 rookies, not everyone is MC or RD.
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ledger
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2/15/2020 7:47pm
Barcia's finish...thought his practice crash would keep him out of the top ten. I was wrong.
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2/15/2020 7:47pm
What about the dude who dominated the race no love for him? Lol
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2/15/2020 7:58pm
Props to Bam Bam.... Dude is showing serious heart this season ... But, seriously needs to get his starting game figured out ...
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Kelz87
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2/15/2020 8:04pm
I really liked the split sand rhythm at Tampa tonight. That sand was deep and the ruts were gnarly too
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resetjet
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2/15/2020 8:07pm
Sand was the only good part of the track.
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2/15/2020 8:08pm Edited Date/Time 2/15/2020 8:08pm
What about the dude who dominated the race no love for him? Lol
He seems so much more consistent this year then any other year. I feel like most years I’m holding my breath waiting for him to crash. Or he just comes out and rides around top 10 or something.

Obviously way less crashing this year and he seems fast on more tracks and more weekends then usual. His confidence must be pretty high.
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2/15/2020 8:13pm

3 looked like a man among boys.
Webb, smart, and strong ride,
94, to cop 3rd after a fall late in the race, good ride.
AC. Business as usual.
Stewart could use an Aldon.
Ralph had a rough night in the booth.
Ricky seems to have run out of things to say.
Having James kinda standing around with his kids, and not in the booth for the main was not only stupid stupid,
to me was kind of insulting.

The sand was a good change of pace.

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BigBoreFan58
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2/15/2020 8:16pm
looked to me it was hard to get position and hit your marks on that track
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2/15/2020 8:18pm Edited Date/Time 2/15/2020 8:23pm
All these people hating on AC should go watch RC’s rookiecyear in the 250 class. He crashed a lot. AC will be fine.
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2/15/2020 8:29pm
What about the dude who dominated the race no love for him? Lol
Philly215 wrote:
He seems so much more consistent this year then any other year. I feel like most years I’m holding my breath waiting for him to crash...
He seems so much more consistent this year then any other year. I feel like most years I’m holding my breath waiting for him to crash. Or he just comes out and rides around top 10 or something.

Obviously way less crashing this year and he seems fast on more tracks and more weekends then usual. His confidence must be pretty high.
Let’s see how he does with the weight of the red plate
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WhipMeister
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2/15/2020 8:33pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
What happened to Osborne tonight?
I think I saw him wash out on the first lap while running 5-6th
Yep. And he took out his teammate, too. Though JA21 got back going faster.
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2/15/2020 8:39pm
The observation no one wants to bring up.....

That was a very basic track for these guys. The track builders have gone to sleep. Mid-90’s - mid 200’s had amazing tracks.

If we had tracks like these again it wouldn’t be the freight train we see now. We would actually the skill level’s of the best come out.
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2/15/2020 8:45pm
What about the dude who dominated the race no love for him? Lol
It looks like no one gets excited about Beast Mode anymore unless Eli's fast lap is 1.5 seconds quicker than the field....

.7 seconds faster tonight with a 10 second gap to 2nd just wasn't enough for Eli to be noticed Smile
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2/15/2020 8:49pm Edited Date/Time 2/15/2020 8:50pm
mx 219 wrote:
A lot of carnage, good guys going down or getting bad starts. AC cost me the top 5 in RM Fantasy, if he had kept it...
A lot of carnage, good guys going down or getting bad starts. AC cost me the top 5 in RM Fantasy, if he had kept it upright and stayed in front of Webb.Marty was my wildcard, so close there too.

Mookie, you looked great, but you need better endurance, your collapse from 3rd to 7th in the last 10 minutes was pretty bad (and you could have easily gotten 9th).

Barcia did good coming through the pack, Ando did okay, and Osborne came from like 21st to 11th.
"AC cost me...Mookie...your collapse...was pretty bad...Ando did okay" That's all pretty negative. I get the impression that it's a lot harder than it looks and they...
"AC cost me...Mookie...your collapse...was pretty bad...Ando did okay"

That's all pretty negative. I get the impression that it's a lot harder than it looks and they are all trying.
Sometimes I feel like the whole sport is set up as just a fitness marathon these days, rather than who is Fast and has good race craft etc, it's just who has the best lungs and is in the best physical shape.
Basically saying the same winners would be the winners of they ran the race on foot.
And for that reason I like the shorter triple crown races
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2/15/2020 8:54pm
What about the dude who dominated the race no love for him? Lol
It looks like no one gets excited about Beast Mode anymore unless Eli's fast lap is 1.5 seconds quicker than the field.... .7 seconds faster tonight...
It looks like no one gets excited about Beast Mode anymore unless Eli's fast lap is 1.5 seconds quicker than the field....

.7 seconds faster tonight with a 10 second gap to 2nd just wasn't enough for Eli to be noticed Smile
It might have helped if they had shown him on the broadcast.
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2/15/2020 8:58pm
mx 219 wrote:
A lot of carnage, good guys going down or getting bad starts. AC cost me the top 5 in RM Fantasy, if he had kept it...
A lot of carnage, good guys going down or getting bad starts. AC cost me the top 5 in RM Fantasy, if he had kept it upright and stayed in front of Webb.Marty was my wildcard, so close there too.

Mookie, you looked great, but you need better endurance, your collapse from 3rd to 7th in the last 10 minutes was pretty bad (and you could have easily gotten 9th).

Barcia did good coming through the pack, Ando did okay, and Osborne came from like 21st to 11th.
"AC cost me...Mookie...your collapse...was pretty bad...Ando did okay" That's all pretty negative. I get the impression that it's a lot harder than it looks and they...
"AC cost me...Mookie...your collapse...was pretty bad...Ando did okay"

That's all pretty negative. I get the impression that it's a lot harder than it looks and they are all trying.
Tarz483 wrote:
Sometimes I feel like the whole sport is set up as just a fitness marathon these days, rather than who is Fast and has good race...
Sometimes I feel like the whole sport is set up as just a fitness marathon these days, rather than who is Fast and has good race craft etc, it's just who has the best lungs and is in the best physical shape.
Basically saying the same winners would be the winners of they ran the race on foot.
And for that reason I like the shorter triple crown races
Fitness is a huge part, those who are in shape are rewarded in the late part of the race . Those. Who arent love the shorter mains.
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2/15/2020 9:18pm Edited Date/Time 2/15/2020 9:22pm
Justin Hill with a solid top 5, hello? He seems to have the fitness aswell. I see him getting a podium this year. So many people wrote him off already and made jokes about his music. To see him getting good results makes me happy!
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2/16/2020 4:15am
Pretty damn average track.

East 250's seem to be far weaker.

Eli has frustrated me in the past but seems far mentally stronger this year, I'm still not ruling out him cracking under pressure at some stage however his demeanor seems far me stronger and relaxed maybe he's got it figured out fantastic ride.

Who ever is going to win the championship will do it against Webb or it's Webb's championship.

I'm not sure if I blame the tracks this year or the riders but there seems to be no special sections EG a massive quad/triple that the elite riders are making up massive time like years past, it just seems a little dumbed down to make for "close racing", of course we fans like close racing however I like to see the cream of the crop show something special.
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2/16/2020 4:16am Edited Date/Time 2/16/2020 4:18am
ledger wrote:
Barcia's finish...thought his practice crash would keep him out of the top ten. I was wrong.
For several weeks now, Barcia has charged through nearly everyone, and I haven't seen a bit of it.
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2/16/2020 4:31am
You can’t spell “crash” without. “AC”.

And he’s my favorite rider. Frustrating.
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Hrzk75
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2/16/2020 4:35am
kkawboy14 wrote:
What happened to Osborne tonight?
I think it was him and Anderson that crashed together in first lap infront of webb? Waited for Ralph or Ricky to mention it but they never did..
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davis224
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2/16/2020 4:58am
Mavetism wrote:
Justin Hill with a solid top 5, hello? He seems to have the fitness aswell. I see him getting a podium this year. So many people...
Justin Hill with a solid top 5, hello? He seems to have the fitness aswell. I see him getting a podium this year. So many people wrote him off already and made jokes about his music. To see him getting good results makes me happy!
And I believe he worked his way up to it, didn't just maintain it. Dean also had a good race.
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2/16/2020 5:05am
Mavetism wrote:
Justin Hill with a solid top 5, hello? He seems to have the fitness aswell. I see him getting a podium this year. So many people...
Justin Hill with a solid top 5, hello? He seems to have the fitness aswell. I see him getting a podium this year. So many people wrote him off already and made jokes about his music. To see him getting good results makes me happy!
davis224 wrote:
And I believe he worked his way up to it, didn't just maintain it. Dean also had a good race.
Great finish by Hill... And though I wish it wasn't aided by Macolm's fade, still a great ride by MCR as a whole.
2/16/2020 5:54am
I wonder if no James in the booth was over a money issue?
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