Roczen update?

ML512 wrote:

Poster likes passes without contact, then comments to have rider A punt rider B....makes sense...perfect sense...

str8line wrote:

Tomac and Roczen always manage to pass without risking the health of other riders. The sport is dangerous enough and they just get that. Makes sense...

Tomac and Roczen always manage to pass without risking the health of other riders. The sport is dangerous enough and they just get that. Makes sense though, they both are total class.

davistld01 wrote:

MOST professionals manage to make passes without risking injury to the rider getting passed. There are exceptions, and we know the few that find it almost...

MOST professionals manage to make passes without risking injury to the rider getting passed. There are exceptions, and we know the few that find it almost impossible to do.

Webb's pass on Kenny was legit, and even Kenny said so. He damn sure didn't look happy in the post race interview, but I give him credit for sucking it up and calling it what is was...a last turn points pass. There was only one line, and two people wanted it.

Deja New wrote:

Was more aggressive than a usual Kenny pass, I still fell if the bike had not been stood up so suddenly it would have been a...

Was more aggressive than a usual Kenny pass, I still fell if the bike had not been stood up so suddenly it would have been a clean no contact pass.
Was not like he aimed to hit him or shove his front wheel in. Just an aggressive pass gone horribly wrong.

str8line wrote:

Tomac and Roczen always manage to pass without risking the health of other riders. The sport is dangerous enough and they just get that. Makes sense...

Tomac and Roczen always manage to pass without risking the health of other riders. The sport is dangerous enough and they just get that. Makes sense though, they both are total class.

davistld01 wrote:

MOST professionals manage to make passes without risking injury to the rider getting passed. There are exceptions, and we know the few that find it almost...

MOST professionals manage to make passes without risking injury to the rider getting passed. There are exceptions, and we know the few that find it almost impossible to do.

Webb's pass on Kenny was legit, and even Kenny said so. He damn sure didn't look happy in the post race interview, but I give him credit for sucking it up and calling it what is was...a last turn points pass. There was only one line, and two people wanted it.

str8line wrote:

What is Ken supposed to say? It was a pinball pass, I just watched it again and Cooper straight up gassed into the side of him...

What is Ken supposed to say? It was a pinball pass, I just watched it again and Cooper straight up gassed into the side of him. Even though Ken landed long he got back to the inside and Cooper just went for the bounce pass. I don't like it. Roczen got injured. It's the 5th race of a long season.

Silas444 wrote:

All this talk about Tomac and Roczen riding with flawless style and impeccable grace, they're like two glorious unicorns who shit rainbows between motos. It's all...

All this talk about Tomac and Roczen riding with flawless style and impeccable grace, they're like two glorious unicorns who shit rainbows between motos. It's all is a bit thick when there's ample video evidence to the contrary that all of us have seen ON THIS VERY SITE. Good God. Newsflash: Supercross has a fundamental flaw which is that the tracks are too narrow, short, and jump-filled for riders to easily pass, thus they must, on occasion, force their way past another rider in a corner; and no one who's raced Supercross with any success has avoided doing this. Not only that, but if, say, "Tomac The Glorious Unicorn" DOESN'T force a pass, people ON THIS VERY SITE light their hair on fire for him being too passive and encourage him to grow a set and start knocking people around. If you love irony, my friends, you've found the thread of a lifetime.

Silas444 wrote:

All this talk about Tomac and Roczen riding with flawless style and impeccable grace, they're like two glorious unicorns who shit rainbows between motos. It's all...

All this talk about Tomac and Roczen riding with flawless style and impeccable grace, they're like two glorious unicorns who shit rainbows between motos. It's all is a bit thick when there's ample video evidence to the contrary that all of us have seen ON THIS VERY SITE. Good God. Newsflash: Supercross has a fundamental flaw which is that the tracks are too narrow, short, and jump-filled for riders to easily pass, thus they must, on occasion, force their way past another rider in a corner; and no one who's raced Supercross with any success has avoided doing this. Not only that, but if, say, "Tomac The Glorious Unicorn" DOESN'T force a pass, people ON THIS VERY SITE light their hair on fire for him being too passive and encourage him to grow a set and start knocking people around. If you love irony, my friends, you've found the thread of a lifetime.

cable wrote:

doesnt the rule book state you cant race with broken bones? nope not broken, just a sprain!

TeamPropainTurbo38t wrote:

Ezra lusk racing with a plated arm two weeks after surgery.

cable wrote:

doesnt the rule book state you cant race with broken bones? nope not broken, just a sprain!

Jeremy Macbeth wrote:

There is no such rule.

jorgechavez wrote:

I’d almost be willing to bet no one would say a word about Webb’s pass if it was on someone other than Kenny. Obviously no one...

I’d almost be willing to bet no one would say a word about Webb’s pass if it was on someone other than Kenny. Obviously no one wants to see Roczen hurt but this is racing and shit happens. If Webb did this to Musquin for example I don’t think anyone would be upset. Just my opinion, though.

Patrick461 wrote:

Just think Kenny passes without contact what a concept. Didn’t like Webb before like him even less now if that’s possible. I hope Kenny puts that...

Just think Kenny passes without contact what a concept. Didn’t like Webb before like him even less now if that’s possible. I hope Kenny puts that half pint on the cheap seats or the whoops are big and he won’t even have to worry about Webb

TbonesPop wrote:

I don't know why this is even a point of discussion. Last corner pass in a main event for a 4 point swing in a tight...

I don't know why this is even a point of discussion. Last corner pass in a main event for a 4 point swing in a tight points race, neither rider went down, and a successful pass. Just hard, aggressive racing for a position gain. Kenny and Eli have the most speed this season, hands down. Webb isn't on their level right now and he's doing anything he can to make up points and capitalizes on mistakes. If you rewatch the race, Kenny had a 2.5 second lead on Webb with a half lap to go. He either laid up thinking he had it in the bag, or he made a mistake while Coop was charging all the way to the end. Bottom line is, you gotta finish.

You have 3 tiers of speed at the moment: 1) Kenny and Eli 2) Webb, Anderson, Barcia, AC, Baggett, and Osborne 3) Everybody else in the main

In professional sports, athletes perform while injured all the time. Kenny will be fine.

Rider972 wrote:

Webb had the Flu and a chest infection you try just going for a jog with that. He proved it last year the class was just...

Webb had the Flu and a chest infection you try just going for a jog with that. He proved it last year the class was just as stacked Anderson was the only one missing and he beat everyone straight up no excuses. He just showed being healthy he could run a faster pace at the end of the race in Oakland had there been a few more laps he probably would have gotten Tomac. If Webb could fix his issue with the long whoops or maybe if KTM could he would be hands down the fastest guy out there. I dont care about qualifying times either all that matters is how fast you can go from lap 10 on and thats when Webb gets started! How can you put Kenny and Eli in Tier 1 when Ken didn't even win a Race last year and Webb beat Tomac straight up numerous times. who won the championship a tier 2 rider that makes no sense.
Cheers

Silas444 wrote:

All this talk about Tomac and Roczen riding with flawless style and impeccable grace, they're like two glorious unicorns who shit rainbows between motos. It's all...

All this talk about Tomac and Roczen riding with flawless style and impeccable grace, they're like two glorious unicorns who shit rainbows between motos. It's all is a bit thick when there's ample video evidence to the contrary that all of us have seen ON THIS VERY SITE. Good God. Newsflash: Supercross has a fundamental flaw which is that the tracks are too narrow, short, and jump-filled for riders to easily pass, thus they must, on occasion, force their way past another rider in a corner; and no one who's raced Supercross with any success has avoided doing this. Not only that, but if, say, "Tomac The Glorious Unicorn" DOESN'T force a pass, people ON THIS VERY SITE light their hair on fire for him being too passive and encourage him to grow a set and start knocking people around. If you love irony, my friends, you've found the thread of a lifetime.

str8line wrote:

Where is this "ample" evidence you speak of? I'd like to see Roczen or Tomac pinballing their way through some passes. With their long, illustrious careers...

Where is this "ample" evidence you speak of? I'd like to see Roczen or Tomac pinballing their way through some passes. With their long, illustrious careers there must be several you can show us FROM THIS VERY SITE. Show us where they slam someone.

I agree the tracks are tight but it's up to the riders how they want to race. I don't remember Dungey pulling those moves.

Regarding people wanting Tomac to throw his weight around, it's because he races clean and sometimes you want him to pay someone back.

cable wrote:

doesnt the rule book state you cant race with broken bones? nope not broken, just a sprain!

TeamPropainTurbo38t wrote:

Ezra lusk racing with a plated arm two weeks after surgery.

Thor34103 wrote:

Factory Honda days. Not sure it is when he got taken out in practice at Florida SX or elsewhere but for sure Lusk was an animal.

oldblood wrote:

I would like to see Ken and Eli in that exact situation. They seem to have respect for each other, and neither wants an injury, I...

I would like to see Ken and Eli in that exact situation. They seem to have respect for each other, and neither wants an injury, I doubt either would pull the trigger. I think that's really cool.
Looking forward to the nationals.

jorgechavez wrote:

I’d almost be willing to bet no one would say a word about Webb’s pass if it was on someone other than Kenny. Obviously no one...

I’d almost be willing to bet no one would say a word about Webb’s pass if it was on someone other than Kenny. Obviously no one wants to see Roczen hurt but this is racing and shit happens. If Webb did this to Musquin for example I don’t think anyone would be upset. Just my opinion, though.

Silas444 wrote:

All this talk about Tomac and Roczen riding with flawless style and impeccable grace, they're like two glorious unicorns who shit rainbows between motos. It's all...

All this talk about Tomac and Roczen riding with flawless style and impeccable grace, they're like two glorious unicorns who shit rainbows between motos. It's all is a bit thick when there's ample video evidence to the contrary that all of us have seen ON THIS VERY SITE. Good God. Newsflash: Supercross has a fundamental flaw which is that the tracks are too narrow, short, and jump-filled for riders to easily pass, thus they must, on occasion, force their way past another rider in a corner; and no one who's raced Supercross with any success has avoided doing this. Not only that, but if, say, "Tomac The Glorious Unicorn" DOESN'T force a pass, people ON THIS VERY SITE light their hair on fire for him being too passive and encourage him to grow a set and start knocking people around. If you love irony, my friends, you've found the thread of a lifetime.

str8line wrote:

Where is this "ample" evidence you speak of? I'd like to see Roczen or Tomac pinballing their way through some passes. With their long, illustrious careers...

Where is this "ample" evidence you speak of? I'd like to see Roczen or Tomac pinballing their way through some passes. With their long, illustrious careers there must be several you can show us FROM THIS VERY SITE. Show us where they slam someone.

I agree the tracks are tight but it's up to the riders how they want to race. I don't remember Dungey pulling those moves.

Regarding people wanting Tomac to throw his weight around, it's because he races clean and sometimes you want him to pay someone back.

alex69 wrote:

Dungey vs Stewart?
Dungey with his experience had to now Stewart was going make a pass that corner.

https://youtu.be/I8tGzNVW4wg

Johnny Depp wrote:

Webb is Roczen's Kryptonite. Damn.

TbonesPop wrote:

I don't know why this is even a point of discussion. Last corner pass in a main event for a 4 point swing in a tight...

I don't know why this is even a point of discussion. Last corner pass in a main event for a 4 point swing in a tight points race, neither rider went down, and a successful pass. Just hard, aggressive racing for a position gain. Kenny and Eli have the most speed this season, hands down. Webb isn't on their level right now and he's doing anything he can to make up points and capitalizes on mistakes. If you rewatch the race, Kenny had a 2.5 second lead on Webb with a half lap to go. He either laid up thinking he had it in the bag, or he made a mistake while Coop was charging all the way to the end. Bottom line is, you gotta finish.

You have 3 tiers of speed at the moment: 1) Kenny and Eli 2) Webb, Anderson, Barcia, AC, Baggett, and Osborne 3) Everybody else in the main

In professional sports, athletes perform while injured all the time. Kenny will be fine.

Rider972 wrote:

Webb had the Flu and a chest infection you try just going for a jog with that. He proved it last year the class was just...

Webb had the Flu and a chest infection you try just going for a jog with that. He proved it last year the class was just as stacked Anderson was the only one missing and he beat everyone straight up no excuses. He just showed being healthy he could run a faster pace at the end of the race in Oakland had there been a few more laps he probably would have gotten Tomac. If Webb could fix his issue with the long whoops or maybe if KTM could he would be hands down the fastest guy out there. I dont care about qualifying times either all that matters is how fast you can go from lap 10 on and thats when Webb gets started! How can you put Kenny and Eli in Tier 1 when Ken didn't even win a Race last year and Webb beat Tomac straight up numerous times. who won the championship a tier 2 rider that makes no sense.
Cheers

Patrick461 wrote:

Just think Kenny passes without contact what a concept. Didn’t like Webb before like him even less now if that’s possible. I hope Kenny puts that...

Just think Kenny passes without contact what a concept. Didn’t like Webb before like him even less now if that’s possible. I hope Kenny puts that half pint on the cheap seats or the whoops are big and he won’t even have to worry about Webb

brapgod69 wrote:

Cry me a river

jorgechavez wrote:

I tend to think the first ten laps matter quite a bit as well. I mean had Webb had a better first ten laps of of...

I tend to think the first ten laps matter quite a bit as well. I mean had Webb had a better first ten laps of of the race he may have won and wouldn't have needed those hypothetical extra laps you speak of.

Mr. Afterbar wrote:

If Eli and Kenny has a better first ten laps, Webb would never have seen them. If if if....