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ktmwoods 12/9/2019 1:33pm
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Helda wrote:
And its a main event win not heat race or LCQ
Care if I take you up on that as well? Same terms...
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Ken Roczen is only 25.. Hes still got a few years ahead of him
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Can't forget about Jason Anderson..If healthy and motivated defiantly has the speed to win another one
This!
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Johnny Ringo 12/9/2019 3:34pm
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Pretty crazy the CRF450 hasn’t won a supercross title in its existence. And only one outdoor title. Maybe this is the year
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FerCzD 12/9/2019 7:23pm
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JA21 wins de opener, stamp it!
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quadzrulebro 12/9/2019 7:40pm
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Lots of AC future champion talk here. When is the last time a rider won the big bike SX championship without winning a regional little bike title first?
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McG194 12/9/2019 7:41pm
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decano51 wrote:
Ken Roczen is only 25.. Hes still got a few years ahead of him
Personally I'd love to just see him win a race.

He may be only 25 years old but he is way older in moto years. That poor guy has been through hell and back in the past few years.
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smashingpumpkins167 12/9/2019 9:59pm
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quadzrulebro wrote:
Lots of AC future champion talk here. When is the last time a rider won the big bike SX championship without winning a regional little bike...
Lots of AC future champion talk here. When is the last time a rider won the big bike SX championship without winning a regional little bike title first?
I had to check the vault, but it looks like Jeff Stanton skipped the 125 class all together.
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KirkChandler 12/9/2019 10:47pm
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quadzrulebro wrote:
Lots of AC future champion talk here. When is the last time a rider won the big bike SX championship without winning a regional little bike...
Lots of AC future champion talk here. When is the last time a rider won the big bike SX championship without winning a regional little bike title first?
Jeff Emig would be the last in 97 and only rider to have won a premiere title after racing the regional Supercross series and not winning a title. Stanton and Bayle had the opportunity to race 125 Supercross and didn't and won titles, everyone before Ward/Johnson didn't have the option to race 125 Supercross.

But Emig and the 97 series are an outlier in statistics. Without that year every champion before and after had won their first title In 3 seasons or less of the premier class after racing 125/250f Supercross. (Anderson won his title in year 4 disrupting that pattern.) The year of McGrath racing a Suzuki, 7 race winners, and a 4 stroke winning Vegas caused some oddities.
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Thisusernameisavailable 12/9/2019 11:04pm
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mxb2 wrote:
More pressure on kroc, no title of any. Kind in 4 years,. Hrc no title in 10 years.
I’d say there’s less pressure on Kroc.
He’s had the devastating injuries, he sat out virtually all of 2017 and half of 2018. He’s still building up.

Others don’t have that level of excuses.
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decano51 wrote:
Reed won his second SX title in 2008... He premiered in 2003. I cant see why either of Kroc or Tomac can not win a title...
Reed won his second SX title in 2008... He premiered in 2003.
I cant see why either of Kroc or Tomac can not win a title later in there career.


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McG194 12/10/2019 5:02am
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decano51 wrote:
Reed won his second SX title in 2008... He premiered in 2003. I cant see why either of Kroc or Tomac can not win a title...
Reed won his second SX title in 2008... He premiered in 2003.
I cant see why either of Kroc or Tomac can not win a title later in there career.


I cant see why either, history can though. It just hasn't been done yet. Either of the guys could win this year and I would put them as the two of three favorites.

By all rights we should be talking about if Eli can win his 4th straight title right now and where he stands with the greats of the sport. As it is he may go down as the greatest to never win a single title.
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mxb2 12/10/2019 6:20am
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mxb2 wrote:
More pressure on kroc, no title of any. Kind in 4 years,. Hrc no title in 10 years.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
I’d say there’s less pressure on Kroc. He’s had the devastating injuries, he sat out virtually all of 2017 and half of 2018. He’s still building...
I’d say there’s less pressure on Kroc.
He’s had the devastating injuries, he sat out virtually all of 2017 and half of 2018. He’s still building up.

Others don’t have that level of excuses.
They were all healthy enough to win last year. No more excuses. Tomac,had 2 destroyed shoulders, injured before A1 last year. But we only hear about kroc injuries.
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JustMX 12/10/2019 6:50am
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quadzrulebro wrote:
Lots of AC future champion talk here. When is the last time a rider won the big bike SX championship without winning a regional little bike...
Lots of AC future champion talk here. When is the last time a rider won the big bike SX championship without winning a regional little bike title first?
smashingpumpkins167 wrote:
I had to check the vault, but it looks like Jeff Stanton skipped the 125 class all together.
As did bayle
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Gordon Liddy 12/10/2019 7:18am
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McG194 wrote:
With Marvin being lost for the season his chances of a SX title are pretty much over. I have some others that are on the way...
With Marvin being lost for the season his chances of a SX title are pretty much over. I have some others that are on the way out or out. At one time Barcia could be considered a serious title threat but now he may win another race or two but his window is closed. The two that have the most to win or lose this year is Kenny and Eli. Both have been in the 450 class full time since the 2014 season so this year will be their 7th in the premier class. If neither win this year I think they missed their chance. No one has ever won their first title this deep into their career. You add that to the fact that the last two champions are still around and younger than Eli or Kenny. Add in that AC is a legit threat that will only get better along with fast 250 guys ready to move up, and 2020 is the last best chance for those two. I'm calling it now that at least one of those two will not win a SX title and if neither win this year they never will.
I agree. I don't think Roczen, Musquin, or Tomac will ever win a 450 SX title. I am not some fan boy of any particular racer either. I would love to see any one of those guys do it, but I just think that ship has sailed.
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McG194 12/10/2019 7:29am
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mxb2 wrote:
More pressure on kroc, no title of any. Kind in 4 years,. Hrc no title in 10 years.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
I’d say there’s less pressure on Kroc. He’s had the devastating injuries, he sat out virtually all of 2017 and half of 2018. He’s still building...
I’d say there’s less pressure on Kroc.
He’s had the devastating injuries, he sat out virtually all of 2017 and half of 2018. He’s still building up.

Others don’t have that level of excuses.
mxb2 wrote:
They were all healthy enough to win last year. No more excuses. Tomac,had 2 destroyed shoulders, injured before A1 last year. But we only hear about...
They were all healthy enough to win last year. No more excuses. Tomac,had 2 destroyed shoulders, injured before A1 last year. But we only hear about kroc injuries.
Eli did his shoulders good but Kenny is a freaking case study. He almost lost his freaking arms. If he never wins another Supercross it is still the gnarliest comeback in moto history.
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BobPA 12/10/2019 7:43am
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
I’d say there’s less pressure on Kroc. He’s had the devastating injuries, he sat out virtually all of 2017 and half of 2018. He’s still building...
I’d say there’s less pressure on Kroc.
He’s had the devastating injuries, he sat out virtually all of 2017 and half of 2018. He’s still building up.

Others don’t have that level of excuses.
mxb2 wrote:
They were all healthy enough to win last year. No more excuses. Tomac,had 2 destroyed shoulders, injured before A1 last year. But we only hear about...
They were all healthy enough to win last year. No more excuses. Tomac,had 2 destroyed shoulders, injured before A1 last year. But we only hear about kroc injuries.
McG194 wrote:
Eli did his shoulders good but Kenny is a freaking case study. He almost lost his freaking arms. If he never wins another Supercross it is...
Eli did his shoulders good but Kenny is a freaking case study. He almost lost his freaking arms. If he never wins another Supercross it is still the gnarliest comeback in moto history.
Exaggerate much? Kenny has had a rough go. But, his injuries would almost seem life threatening because that is all the announcers talk about...Not to mention that he posted gore filled photos on social media. I never once saw where his arms were in jeopardy. He (only) had a broken hand after his arm went through Webb's swingarm...

All these guys have devastating injuries, some are just more open about it than others.

Mookie broke a femur last year....watch that surgery and I bet your mind will change.
Anderson broke an arm, ribs, punctured lungs, etc.
Eli's shoulders were toast, and that is an incredibly hard injury to come back from
Deano explodes his knees once a season (sadly)
Plessinger broke a heel....Do some research on recovery for that

Point is, all these guys deal with career threatening injuries....They all can use the excuse, some do...some don't.
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Motoxdoc 12/10/2019 7:48am
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I thought for sure this was going to be an Eli thread....I guess some of you can also bag on Marvin for not reaching your expectations.
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Motoxdoc 12/10/2019 7:50am
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McG194 wrote:
Eli did his shoulders good but Kenny is a freaking case study. He almost lost his freaking arms. If he never wins another Supercross it is...
Eli did his shoulders good but Kenny is a freaking case study. He almost lost his freaking arms. If he never wins another Supercross it is still the gnarliest comeback in moto history.
Pourcel and Henry come to mind.....
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nealb129 12/10/2019 7:56am
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It’s the same thing every single year with these rookies. X rider will be a title threat he has “it”... more times than not they are not a title threat their rookie year. Look at last years rookies, or the year before that, or before that.
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McG194 12/10/2019 7:59am
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McG194 wrote:
Eli did his shoulders good but Kenny is a freaking case study. He almost lost his freaking arms. If he never wins another Supercross it is...
Eli did his shoulders good but Kenny is a freaking case study. He almost lost his freaking arms. If he never wins another Supercross it is still the gnarliest comeback in moto history.
Motoxdoc wrote:
Pourcel and Henry come to mind.....
Forgot all about Henry, pretty freaking gnarly as well.
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davis224 12/10/2019 8:08am
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mxb2 wrote:
They were all healthy enough to win last year. No more excuses. Tomac,had 2 destroyed shoulders, injured before A1 last year. But we only hear about...
They were all healthy enough to win last year. No more excuses. Tomac,had 2 destroyed shoulders, injured before A1 last year. But we only hear about kroc injuries.
McG194 wrote:
Eli did his shoulders good but Kenny is a freaking case study. He almost lost his freaking arms. If he never wins another Supercross it is...
Eli did his shoulders good but Kenny is a freaking case study. He almost lost his freaking arms. If he never wins another Supercross it is still the gnarliest comeback in moto history.
BobPA wrote:
Exaggerate much? Kenny has had a rough go. But, his injuries would almost seem life threatening because that is all the announcers talk about...Not to mention...
Exaggerate much? Kenny has had a rough go. But, his injuries would almost seem life threatening because that is all the announcers talk about...Not to mention that he posted gore filled photos on social media. I never once saw where his arms were in jeopardy. He (only) had a broken hand after his arm went through Webb's swingarm...

All these guys have devastating injuries, some are just more open about it than others.

Mookie broke a femur last year....watch that surgery and I bet your mind will change.
Anderson broke an arm, ribs, punctured lungs, etc.
Eli's shoulders were toast, and that is an incredibly hard injury to come back from
Deano explodes his knees once a season (sadly)
Plessinger broke a heel....Do some research on recovery for that

Point is, all these guys deal with career threatening injuries....They all can use the excuse, some do...some don't.
Didn't he get compartment syndrome? That shit is serious. I do believe they were talking about amputation at some point. Gnarly, but I still call Pourcel's comeback gnarlier.
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BobPA 12/10/2019 8:09am
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McG194 wrote:
Eli did his shoulders good but Kenny is a freaking case study. He almost lost his freaking arms. If he never wins another Supercross it is...
Eli did his shoulders good but Kenny is a freaking case study. He almost lost his freaking arms. If he never wins another Supercross it is still the gnarliest comeback in moto history.
Motoxdoc wrote:
Pourcel and Henry come to mind.....
McG194 wrote:
Forgot all about Henry, pretty freaking gnarly as well.
Pourcel was flat in his back for 6 months after his injury, was unable to walk. He admitted in an interview that he no longer has the drive to race as hard after that.....And I do not blame him. It was a great interview as well.
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McG194 12/10/2019 8:32am
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Motoxdoc wrote:
Pourcel and Henry come to mind.....
McG194 wrote:
Forgot all about Henry, pretty freaking gnarly as well.
BobPA wrote:
Pourcel was flat in his back for 6 months after his injury, was unable to walk. He admitted in an interview that he no longer has...
Pourcel was flat in his back for 6 months after his injury, was unable to walk. He admitted in an interview that he no longer has the drive to race as hard after that.....And I do not blame him. It was a great interview as well.
honestly I wasn't paying much attention back then to Euro riders and wasn't even following US riders that close so I don't know what all he dealt with.
TriRacer27 12/10/2019 9:37am
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I read somewhere that no one has ever won their first championship after their 3rd year in the class. Both Eli and Roczen are under secure...
I read somewhere that no one has ever won their first championship after their 3rd year in the class.

Both Eli and Roczen are under secure long-term contracts, but these will likely be their last high-dollar deals, or last years before they retire period unless they finally deliver the SX #1.

In this field, I think Eli and Kenny have a very good chance at breaking that trend, but Webb isn't likely going to roll over and give it to them. Will be interesting to see if Anderson can regain his 2018 speed and intensity while staying consistent. We could also see Webb struggle the way Anderson struggled last year with the #1 so who knows.


It's a great time to be a fan.

soggy wrote:
emig won it in his 5th or 6th year i think and anderson was atleast 3 years in right?
You're right, Emig and Anderson both won it in their 4th year.

Still, this is Eli, Ken and Justin's 8th year. There's been several riders who've finished second multiple times in their career and never won the title.

Statistically, odds are in favor of Webb, AC, and Anderson over Ken and Eli.
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bultokid 12/10/2019 10:28am
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Helda wrote:
And its a main event win not heat race or LCQ
that is correct, mains in sx series only
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davis224 12/10/2019 11:28am
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Helda wrote:
Id happely wager a $50 that Anderson doesn't win a race next SX season
davis224 wrote:
Barring injury, I'd probably take that bet. Terms?
Helda wrote:
No terms to speak of, if he wins a race next season ill pay you $50 and if he doesnt win you pay me.
I'm a bit too poor right now to also bet that he doesn't break a collarbone before A1 or the halfway point. I could be convinced to put $5 on him winning Anaheim. I'm pretty sure he's more than capable of winning in 2020, but I wouldn't have put money on Roczen not winning a main last year either.
jorgechavez 12/10/2019 12:00pm
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mxb2 wrote:
They were all healthy enough to win last year. No more excuses. Tomac,had 2 destroyed shoulders, injured before A1 last year. But we only hear about...
They were all healthy enough to win last year. No more excuses. Tomac,had 2 destroyed shoulders, injured before A1 last year. But we only hear about kroc injuries.
Exactly this. Tomac came in with a broken back last year and I believe he said he missed about a month of riding before A1 because of it.
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WCRider 12/10/2019 12:29pm
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Listen again The Whiskey Throttle Show with Eli to remember how bad his injury was.

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