How would you feel if you bought this bike? *Important Update*

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GODZILLA 11/15/2019 3:14am
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Seriously, you can't help but wonder who builds a good looking replica with absolutely no care for the mechanical part...
All show, no go.
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Tbteam 11/15/2019 3:48am
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yak651 wrote:
How was it advertised? Was price too good to be true? If advertised as mint I would be pissed. If it’s someone that makes a living...
How was it advertised? Was price too good to be true? If advertised as mint I would be pissed. If it’s someone that makes a living selling bikes I would warn others
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The price was what you would expect to pay for a refurbished, pristine, ready to race or display, top level bike. I now have the pleasure...
The price was what you would expect to pay for a refurbished, pristine, ready to race or display, top level bike. I now have the pleasure of owning what very well could be the most expensive, relatively stock 1996 CR250 on the planet. 😂
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$10,000 ??

That’s what it would cost to restore one to a high standard that is also “ready to race”.

I never said the bike was restored. I said “refurbished”. There’s a significant difference between those two words. My intention was to Check out the bike, add fluids and race it.
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zippytech 11/15/2019 3:49am
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I have had 2 of these motors, and have put thousands of hours on them both.. I just don't know how anyone could inflict that much damage to one.
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ns503 11/15/2019 3:53am
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Does the seller have a Vital presence?
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kb228 11/15/2019 3:56am
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Well hopefully you didnt pay any more than $2500. Replica or not its a used cr250.

That sucks though. I usually expect that kind of poor work when i buy a used bike, but this is certainly over top. On the plus side, it will be a nice replica once repaired.
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EastFlorida 11/15/2019 4:42am
11/15/2019 4:42am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2019 4:51am
I've been building my stable since the beginning of the year. I bought a 1983 YZ125K that was on "display" in the dealer showroom for 8 years. I was told it was rebuilt as a "racer" but has been sitting... I'll stop there with that one...

I now have 6 others for a total of 3 '83 YZ125's, '80 YZ125, ''81 YZ125, '82 YZ125, '83 YZ100

I have had a similar experience with being let down, but mine haven't been to the magnitude of what you received. It is always a crap shoot on these old bikes and as I've said, I've been quite disappointed on 4 or the 7 bikes I've bought so far, mildly disappointed in 1 and been "OK" with the other two.

When I start to thin the "extra" '83 YZ125's, I'll be 100% honest in what needs to be done when I sell them. I don't believe in "paying it forward" on misrepresenting bikes.

Like you, in each case, I failed to ask some very specific questions. Learning lesson for sure on my part... I kinda expect when I ask, "what needs to be done to the bike to make it race ready", I have learned not to always believe the "it's good to go" response. I need to ask specific questions and ask for proof of "rebuilds"...

In my case, each bike was very remote and I had to have them shipped in. I was like a kid at Christmas each time one arrived - sometimes I was let down, other times I was pleasantly surprised. My '82 YZ125 has been my biggest "win" so far! A true time capsule bike that I was fortunate to find.


Good luck, sorry you got "taken" and hope the bike turns out well for you.

I've put a little work into each bike so far, but haven't fully completed one yet. I'll be busy this winter as my new work shed gets delivered and I can really dive in to each one... A few pics of their respective current state...



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gt80rider 11/15/2019 5:08am
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Would not be mad.... The purchase of anything where u can not inspect it in person can go bad quite easily... Just part of the dealio...
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Looby321 11/15/2019 5:08am
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ns503 wrote:
Does the seller have a Vital presence?
This.
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Tbteam 11/15/2019 5:20am
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This morning I took a look at the steering stem. I thought it seemed a bit off. 😐




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500guy 11/15/2019 5:24am
11/15/2019 5:24am
Was this thing dropped out of a plane and bounced into a lake?

Holy shit it's a mess.
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Sir 11/15/2019 5:29am
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Tbteam wrote:
This morning I took a look at the steering stem. I thought it seemed a bit off. 😐 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/15/385058/s1200_EB6F1571_C3F6_4603_8CDE_3D1CD6AFE7DF.jpg[/img]
This morning I took a look at the steering stem. I thought it seemed a bit off. 😐




Yes we get it, you bought a pile of shit dressed up in glitter but you still haven't provided the most relevant information - details of the seller, or are you going to allow the possibility of others falling foul of this miscreant?
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Rupert X 11/15/2019 5:33am
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Holy shit, Mark. Sorry bruh.
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zippytech 11/15/2019 5:59am
11/15/2019 5:59am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2019 6:00am
Its almost like some one took a bunch or junk parts and built a bike from it. I don't get why you got it to begin with. Did you go pick this bike up in person?
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Tbteam 11/15/2019 6:06am
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zippytech wrote:
Its almost like some one took a bunch or junk parts and built a bike from it. I don't get why you got it to begin...
Its almost like some one took a bunch or junk parts and built a bike from it. I don't get why you got it to begin with. Did you go pick this bike up in person?
Nope. Came from out of the country. I bought it so my buddy/rider could race it two weekends ago. Didn’t work out.

As far as outing the seller, kind of pointless at this stage. He knows. And he’s a respected dude, from what I can tell.
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sandman768 11/15/2019 6:07am
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Don’t let this sour your passion for old bikes, Chalk it up to lesson learned. If I feel the need to make a sight unseen purchase I use PayPal goods & services, that will give you a higher level of protection. I say “out” the seller so other members can avoid. It does not matter how wealthy someone is, getting ripped off never feels good.....
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Camp332 11/15/2019 6:07am
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Hi Mark, sorry you got scammed, Bro. On the positive though, I'm looking forward to the finished product. You'll do it up right!
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soggy 11/15/2019 6:13am
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zippytech wrote:
Its almost like some one took a bunch or junk parts and built a bike from it. I don't get why you got it to begin...
Its almost like some one took a bunch or junk parts and built a bike from it. I don't get why you got it to begin with. Did you go pick this bike up in person?
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Nope. Came from out of the country. I bought it so my buddy/rider could race it two weekends ago. Didn’t work out. As far as outing...
Nope. Came from out of the country. I bought it so my buddy/rider could race it two weekends ago. Didn’t work out.

As far as outing the seller, kind of pointless at this stage. He knows. And he’s a respected dude, from what I can tell.
all the more reason to blast him. look at the other bikes/shop in the pictures, this guy knows what he had and what he did, and if he didnt give you damn near all your $$$ back you are being to kind.
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philG 11/15/2019 6:20am
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Name and shame. Jesus that is a mess.

However, i will say that there is a world of difference in expectation between 'show bike' and 'showbike' .... we used to build show cars at the end of each season, out of all the bits we had left, empty gearboxes, or even no drive train, and F1 stuff built out of travel parts , with paint job, and new stickers.

However,my expectation of a bike at that price would be that you should struggle to find anything to spend money on if you intend to ride it.
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Tbteam 11/15/2019 6:27am
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sandman768 wrote:
Don’t let this sour your passion for old bikes, Chalk it up to lesson learned. If I feel the need to make a sight unseen purchase...
Don’t let this sour your passion for old bikes, Chalk it up to lesson learned. If I feel the need to make a sight unseen purchase I use PayPal goods & services, that will give you a higher level of protection. I say “out” the seller so other members can avoid. It does not matter how wealthy someone is, getting ripped off never feels good.....
Nah, I still love the post vintage stuff. Finished this one last week! It’s now an air cooled sister to the Johnny O bike I bought from Newmann!



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CalimeroFan 11/15/2019 6:32am
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Tbteam wrote:
Nope. Came from out of the country. I bought it so my buddy/rider could race it two weekends ago. Didn’t work out. As far as outing...
Nope. Came from out of the country. I bought it so my buddy/rider could race it two weekends ago. Didn’t work out.

As far as outing the seller, kind of pointless at this stage. He knows. And he’s a respected dude, from what I can tell.
'Respected dude'?
He's is f*kkin crook who should get his butt kicked. Naming and shaming here is the first thing you should start with.
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Gordon Liddy 11/15/2019 6:53am
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Tbteam wrote:
Nope. Came from out of the country. I bought it so my buddy/rider could race it two weekends ago. Didn’t work out. As far as outing...
Nope. Came from out of the country. I bought it so my buddy/rider could race it two weekends ago. Didn’t work out.

As far as outing the seller, kind of pointless at this stage. He knows. And he’s a respected dude, from what I can tell.
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'Respected dude'?
He's is f*kkin crook who should get his butt kicked. Naming and shaming here is the first thing you should start with.
This!!!

Post up this dingleberries info NOW!
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OneWordResponseGuy 11/15/2019 7:18am
11/15/2019 7:18am
brocster wrote:
I’d cost him $3k, if not all at once, over time... he who laughs last, laughs the most! That dude sold you a pig with lipstick...
I’d cost him $3k, if not all at once, over time... he who laughs last, laughs the most!

That dude sold you a pig with lipstick on and knew it!
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Agreed
I’m pretty good at getting even. Lol

Dude, you're a total bad ass!!
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Knobbyjake 11/15/2019 7:27am
11/15/2019 7:27am
If he's "respected " he should make this right. If he doesn't he should be named so someone else doesn't get screwed by this "respected" sleazeball.
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Tbteam 11/15/2019 7:44am
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He reached out this morning and had sent another chunk of money back via PayPal. I’m not sweating this one. Just learning.
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kNewc 11/15/2019 7:48am
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Knobbyjake wrote:
If he's "respected " he should make this right. If he doesn't he should be named so someone else doesn't get screwed by this "respected" sleazeball.
Although I agree we still don't know how much he paid or on what conditions. Obviously this bike was for display only. Looks pretty on the stand and if you have a museum or something where the general public goes they wouldn't know anything is off at all. Hell, most of us would probably walk by and say "wow, that's a good looking bike". You never know until you sit on it and try to start it, and it's obvious (& by his own admission) that he didn't.
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alphado 11/15/2019 7:53am
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That blows, you need a trip to Ted's Hot Dogs to make everything alright!
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Tbteam 11/15/2019 7:53am
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Knobbyjake wrote:
If he's "respected " he should make this right. If he doesn't he should be named so someone else doesn't get screwed by this "respected" sleazeball.
kNewc wrote:
Although I agree we still don't know how much he paid or on what conditions. Obviously this bike was for display only. Looks pretty on the...
Although I agree we still don't know how much he paid or on what conditions. Obviously this bike was for display only. Looks pretty on the stand and if you have a museum or something where the general public goes they wouldn't know anything is off at all. Hell, most of us would probably walk by and say "wow, that's a good looking bike". You never know until you sit on it and try to start it, and it's obvious (& by his own admission) that he didn't.
You’re absolutely correct. That being said, for what he asked for the bike, the impression given is that it’s solid and ready to go.
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Sir 11/15/2019 8:04am
11/15/2019 8:04am
I see Honda GDR Racing had this same bike for sale back in August, September (see their twitter page) showing the same pictures as used at the start of this thread. Even Steve Matthes' linking the GDR bike sale on his twitter page.
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Markopolo400 11/15/2019 8:11am
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Wow that thing is roached...Kudos to you though you are way calmer than I would be.
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