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Barrett57 9/29/2019 11:14am
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Wells423 wrote:
How did that work out when it counted??
He had a pretty brutal racing incident with his team mate, broke his clutch lever off and damaged his hand, rode until the end without giving up and still went out on that savage track in the rain for his second moto hurt and you still think he's not good enough?

What the fuck do you want from these guys?
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shuggs 9/29/2019 11:35am
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Ffs I do not understand all the doom & gloom. The conditions made it a lottery unless you were from NLD!!!

So all the props that were given in build up counts for nothing now? You’re team went and gave it their all, prep was going good but that was all spoiled by Mother Nature.

Some of you need to stfu, not a thing you can do about luck
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RichardLoots 9/29/2019 11:41am
9/29/2019 11:41am
why do people think MXGP riders train in mud all winter long ?? dutch riders train in spain during winter , lot of others train in italy and other warm places .. they wont see mud during winter training
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Huckster 9/29/2019 12:17pm
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Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks away with the 1/1. He set the fastest lap time in moto 3 and handily won moto 1. He also is the reigning MXGP WC. He is going to line up on the gate at Monster Cup in a few weeks. When he gets beat by a guy like Barcia or Brayton on a Tamed down SX track, you will know EXACTLY why we are No Longer competitive at the MXoN.
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older&wiser 9/29/2019 1:09pm
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Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks...
Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks away with the 1/1. He set the fastest lap time in moto 3 and handily won moto 1. He also is the reigning MXGP WC. He is going to line up on the gate at Monster Cup in a few weeks. When he gets beat by a guy like Barcia or Brayton on a Tamed down SX track, you will know EXACTLY why we are No Longer competitive at the MXoN.
Tim Gasjer has rode the MEC before and was on the pace. He dropped it but he does that all the time. Watch, I think it was the Chinese GP, he crashed in both races, one of them twice, and the qualifier. It doesn't need to be a Sx, even a tame one. Going back to your winning streak and they were claimed at the time to be because Sx made the riders more aggressive and sharp. How views change with results. I think the US sent the right guys as they wanted to be there. In the past they have had a lot of good luck so having a bad streak as always coming. Ask the French team, their luck is failing or the Dutch team who are now getting good luck. Us brits have been there too.
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Huckster 9/29/2019 1:24pm
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Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks...
Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks away with the 1/1. He set the fastest lap time in moto 3 and handily won moto 1. He also is the reigning MXGP WC. He is going to line up on the gate at Monster Cup in a few weeks. When he gets beat by a guy like Barcia or Brayton on a Tamed down SX track, you will know EXACTLY why we are No Longer competitive at the MXoN.
older&wiser wrote:
Tim Gasjer has rode the MEC before and was on the pace. He dropped it but he does that all the time. Watch, I think it...
Tim Gasjer has rode the MEC before and was on the pace. He dropped it but he does that all the time. Watch, I think it was the Chinese GP, he crashed in both races, one of them twice, and the qualifier. It doesn't need to be a Sx, even a tame one. Going back to your winning streak and they were claimed at the time to be because Sx made the riders more aggressive and sharp. How views change with results. I think the US sent the right guys as they wanted to be there. In the past they have had a lot of good luck so having a bad streak as always coming. Ask the French team, their luck is failing or the Dutch team who are now getting good luck. Us brits have been there too.
Gejser almost killed himself at MEC the last time he rode it but ok. Back in the day of the “streak”, SX wasn’t as big of a deal and it didn’t take up 8 months of a riders focus. The evolution of the sport/industry towards SX being the priority is a newer trend. Its the reality along with the change in the MXoN schedule. Time moves on. The top GP riders are better MX riders now. Plain and simple. Sad part for us Hard core moto fans is that the people who matter don’t really seem to care and I can’t really blame them. Risking everything for a one off race when you’re career is maybe at best 6-10yrs, its a lot to ask.
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older&wiser 9/29/2019 1:27pm
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Huckster wrote:
Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks...
Tim Gejser was arguably the best rider today. Yup Hoff went 1/1 but if TG didnt have that small tip over in moto 3 he walks away with the 1/1. He set the fastest lap time in moto 3 and handily won moto 1. He also is the reigning MXGP WC. He is going to line up on the gate at Monster Cup in a few weeks. When he gets beat by a guy like Barcia or Brayton on a Tamed down SX track, you will know EXACTLY why we are No Longer competitive at the MXoN.
older&wiser wrote:
Tim Gasjer has rode the MEC before and was on the pace. He dropped it but he does that all the time. Watch, I think it...
Tim Gasjer has rode the MEC before and was on the pace. He dropped it but he does that all the time. Watch, I think it was the Chinese GP, he crashed in both races, one of them twice, and the qualifier. It doesn't need to be a Sx, even a tame one. Going back to your winning streak and they were claimed at the time to be because Sx made the riders more aggressive and sharp. How views change with results. I think the US sent the right guys as they wanted to be there. In the past they have had a lot of good luck so having a bad streak as always coming. Ask the French team, their luck is failing or the Dutch team who are now getting good luck. Us brits have been there too.
Huckster wrote:
Gejser almost killed himself at MEC the last time he rode it but ok. Back in the day of the “streak”, SX wasn’t as big of...
Gejser almost killed himself at MEC the last time he rode it but ok. Back in the day of the “streak”, SX wasn’t as big of a deal and it didn’t take up 8 months of a riders focus. The evolution of the sport/industry towards SX being the priority is a newer trend. Its the reality along with the change in the MXoN schedule. Time moves on. The top GP riders are better MX riders now. Plain and simple. Sad part for us Hard core moto fans is that the people who matter don’t really seem to care and I can’t really blame them. Risking everything for a one off race when you’re career is maybe at best 6-10yrs, its a lot to ask.
You should watch most of his crashes. They are not just tip overs he does it properly and usually while he looks in total control and smooth as. I'm amazed the bike survives most of the time let alone him.
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Chris_Buehler 9/29/2019 1:46pm
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older&wiser wrote:
Tim Gasjer has rode the MEC before and was on the pace. He dropped it but he does that all the time. Watch, I think it...
Tim Gasjer has rode the MEC before and was on the pace. He dropped it but he does that all the time. Watch, I think it was the Chinese GP, he crashed in both races, one of them twice, and the qualifier. It doesn't need to be a Sx, even a tame one. Going back to your winning streak and they were claimed at the time to be because Sx made the riders more aggressive and sharp. How views change with results. I think the US sent the right guys as they wanted to be there. In the past they have had a lot of good luck so having a bad streak as always coming. Ask the French team, their luck is failing or the Dutch team who are now getting good luck. Us brits have been there too.
Huckster wrote:
Gejser almost killed himself at MEC the last time he rode it but ok. Back in the day of the “streak”, SX wasn’t as big of...
Gejser almost killed himself at MEC the last time he rode it but ok. Back in the day of the “streak”, SX wasn’t as big of a deal and it didn’t take up 8 months of a riders focus. The evolution of the sport/industry towards SX being the priority is a newer trend. Its the reality along with the change in the MXoN schedule. Time moves on. The top GP riders are better MX riders now. Plain and simple. Sad part for us Hard core moto fans is that the people who matter don’t really seem to care and I can’t really blame them. Risking everything for a one off race when you’re career is maybe at best 6-10yrs, its a lot to ask.
older&wiser wrote:
You should watch most of his crashes. They are not just tip overs he does it properly and usually while he looks in total control and...
You should watch most of his crashes. They are not just tip overs he does it properly and usually while he looks in total control and smooth as. I'm amazed the bike survives most of the time let alone him.
Well you yard sale like that frequently on a sx track and you ride home in an ambulance.
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RG1 9/29/2019 1:49pm
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
How do you explain last year, when this race was in your back yard?
jorgechavez wrote:
Which member of team USA last year is from Buchanan Michigan again?
None of the Dutch team live in Assen, are you gonna claim that wasn’t a home race for them?
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Rab 9/29/2019 1:56pm
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I’m proud of our team. I hope they don’t get too down on themselves as It’s just a motocross race.
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jorgechavez 9/29/2019 1:59pm
9/29/2019 1:59pm
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
How do you explain last year, when this race was in your back yard?
jorgechavez wrote:
Which member of team USA last year is from Buchanan Michigan again?
RG1 wrote:
None of the Dutch team live in Assen, are you gonna claim that wasn’t a home race for them?
I'm not claiming anything, I simply asked a question.
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RG1 9/29/2019 2:07pm
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jorgechavez wrote:
Which member of team USA last year is from Buchanan Michigan again?
RG1 wrote:
None of the Dutch team live in Assen, are you gonna claim that wasn’t a home race for them?
jorgechavez wrote:
I'm not claiming anything, I simply asked a question.
Do you have to be a native of the town where the track is for it to be a home race? Is that the criteria now? I look forward to next years GP’s where nobody will celebrate their home GP anywhere. Except for Lommel
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jorgechavez 9/29/2019 2:19pm
9/29/2019 2:19pm
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Do you have to be a native of the town where the track is for it to be a home race? Is that the criteria now...
Do you have to be a native of the town where the track is for it to be a home race? Is that the criteria now? I look forward to next years GP’s where nobody will celebrate their home GP anywhere. Except for Lommel
Again, I simply asked a question. You're just putting words in my mouth.
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Ranman68 9/29/2019 3:35pm
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bsharkey wrote:
It's a mud race. Literally anything can happen and will.. more disappointed with the camera footage. It's raining and they cant figure out how to keep...
It's a mud race. Literally anything can happen and will.. more disappointed with the camera footage. It's raining and they cant figure out how to keep the lens clear.
GuyB wrote:
When it's coming in sideways, there's not a lot you can do.
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This shit is gold 😂🤣🤣😂 I didn't like Maverick when I first became a vital member, but after seeing some of his movie clip "replies", I had the rethink my position.
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Ranman68 9/29/2019 4:00pm
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Wells423 wrote:
We need to stop sending 250 guys on the 250. No offense to Cooper as I know shit can happen to anyone but we had better...
We need to stop sending 250 guys on the 250. No offense to Cooper as I know shit can happen to anyone but we had better options. If we’re going to keep sending the B team why send a team at all?
Barrett57 wrote:
Did you see what he did on Saturday?
Wells423 wrote:
How did that work out when it counted??
With a 31st gate pick, Cooper went out and convincingly won his mx2 qualifying race and secured a good gate pick for his team on Sunday. That alone is huge. Then, in his first moto, he was in the top 10 (which is huge for a 250 rider to do in those conditions and when mixed in with 450s) until he made a mistake (which all riders do, and which many did). It was just a freak coincidence that he collided with Anderson (as opposed to any of the other 35 or so riders).
The odds of messing up like that and crashing are not that small and shouldn't be called "bad luck", but when you happen to take out your one and only teammate, break your clutch, injure your hand, ande injure your teammate's hand, it's safe to say that the odds of all those things happening at once is pretty fkn small.
Cooper is a badass and was killing. The u.s. were legit contenders for a podium until that happened. It happened and that's how it goes, but you should give Cooper more credit and quit pretending to be the authority on what constitutes "bad luck". Especially in a wet, muddy, first lap of a motocross race.
Cooper was the right choice. That freakish incident doesn't change that.
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aeffertz 9/29/2019 4:08pm
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All I know is that we were spoiled with the behind the scenes footage leading up to the race this year because of Team Fried. Going to be a bummer next year if we don’t get something similar!
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SwingHard 9/29/2019 4:11pm
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toroP wrote:
Come on, man ... if?
If France didn’t lose two bikes, if no one crashed, if the track froze over ......
soggy wrote:
geez buddy chill out.. He's just pointing out that USA had some bad luck when cooper took out anderson
Sincere question, how is that bad luck? I just don't see how luck played a part in that.
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Nighttrain 9/29/2019 4:26pm
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SwingHard wrote:
Sincere question, how is that bad luck? I just don't see how luck played a part in that.
Assuming there was nothing any rider could have done to avoid hitting Cooper then it was bad luck that it happened to be Anderson directly behind his teammate that crashed. Getting collected in first lap chaotic crashes is often considered bad fortune in a MX or SX race.
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Nuffsaid 9/29/2019 4:40pm
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Just wondering why a team “coach/manager” is not present during the actual training?
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aeffertz 9/29/2019 4:50pm
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Nighttrain wrote:
Assuming there was nothing any rider could have done to avoid hitting Cooper then it was bad luck that it happened to be Anderson directly behind...
Assuming there was nothing any rider could have done to avoid hitting Cooper then it was bad luck that it happened to be Anderson directly behind his teammate that crashed. Getting collected in first lap chaotic crashes is often considered bad fortune in a MX or SX race.
Yup. It would’ve been bad luck for whoever Justin collected with him as he was going down, it just so happened to be his team mate.
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Ranman68 9/29/2019 5:00pm
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In 2020 we should put an mxon team together of our very fastest guys who are healthy, who want to race it, who are willing to prepare for it, and who have confidence that they can win it. Period. When that time of the year rolls around to select riders for the team, we select them.
This was a great team that could have done very well had it not been for the incident on lap one of the first moto. They were the right guys and the best we had for this race at this track that wanted to go (or could go). Next year is next year, and we need to send the best team possible, regardless of who went this year. If it's the same guys...fine. if not, then it's not.
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soggy 9/29/2019 5:04pm
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older&wiser wrote:
Tim Gasjer has rode the MEC before and was on the pace. He dropped it but he does that all the time. Watch, I think it...
Tim Gasjer has rode the MEC before and was on the pace. He dropped it but he does that all the time. Watch, I think it was the Chinese GP, he crashed in both races, one of them twice, and the qualifier. It doesn't need to be a Sx, even a tame one. Going back to your winning streak and they were claimed at the time to be because Sx made the riders more aggressive and sharp. How views change with results. I think the US sent the right guys as they wanted to be there. In the past they have had a lot of good luck so having a bad streak as always coming. Ask the French team, their luck is failing or the Dutch team who are now getting good luck. Us brits have been there too.
it is not out of the realm of possibility that at one time riding sx did give the USA an advantage and then the scales tipped to far and it became disadvantage.
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dkg 9/29/2019 5:07pm
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Wells423 wrote:
We need to stop sending 250 guys on the 250. No offense to Cooper as I know shit can happen to anyone but we had better...
We need to stop sending 250 guys on the 250. No offense to Cooper as I know shit can happen to anyone but we had better options. If we’re going to keep sending the B team why send a team at all?
Barrett57 wrote:
Did you see what he did on Saturday?
Wells423 wrote:
How did that work out when it counted??
Are you trying to be an ass?
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Andre-Philip_Doyon 9/29/2019 5:08pm
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It is wayy too soon but i think a team green would be possible for 2020

Tomac open AC mxgp and Forkner 2f
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SwingHard 9/29/2019 5:29pm
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SwingHard wrote:
Sincere question, how is that bad luck? I just don't see how luck played a part in that.
Nighttrain wrote:
Assuming there was nothing any rider could have done to avoid hitting Cooper then it was bad luck that it happened to be Anderson directly behind...
Assuming there was nothing any rider could have done to avoid hitting Cooper then it was bad luck that it happened to be Anderson directly behind his teammate that crashed. Getting collected in first lap chaotic crashes is often considered bad fortune in a MX or SX race.
Not if a rider stays ahead of the chaos
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Nighttrain 9/29/2019 5:33pm
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SwingHard wrote:
Not if a rider stays ahead of the chaos
Very true. That’s how you avoid being subject to bad luck scenarios. Pull a hole shot, gap the field, ride around by yourself in front for the entire race. It’s quite simple, right? 😆
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Crush 9/29/2019 5:57pm
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Wells423 wrote:
We need to stop sending 250 guys on the 250. No offense to Cooper as I know shit can happen to anyone but we had better...
We need to stop sending 250 guys on the 250. No offense to Cooper as I know shit can happen to anyone but we had better options. If we’re going to keep sending the B team why send a team at all?
Barrett57 wrote:
Did you see what he did on Saturday?
Wells423 wrote:
How did that work out when it counted??
I don't agree at all that Barcia might have been a better choice on a 250.

Go look up his 250 results, then put it in perspective of how long ago it was.

He's not James or RC.

Nor is he immune to someone crashing in to him.
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Park Boys 9/29/2019 6:23pm
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It was quite similar conditions. We just aren't very good in wet sand. Sure, we may have gotten a podium if Cooper didn't crash but it's...
It was quite similar conditions. We just aren't very good in wet sand. Sure, we may have gotten a podium if Cooper didn't crash but it's not like our team rode well. No different than last year. It's not shocking though. Our guys don't ride anything like this and the MXGP guys do all winter long. The same could be said for hard pack.

It's frustrating as an American motocross fan. We simply aren't good enough unless it's smiling under the helmet type conditions.

When are us Americans gonna realize the Euros have always been better than us in this shit. My god in the 90s we got smoked in this and now. Look it up. When it comes to Mud/other conditions type stuff we are not as good. Not gonna change any time soon until we get a RC/Stew type talent.
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SwingHard 9/29/2019 6:52pm
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SwingHard wrote:
Not if a rider stays ahead of the chaos
Nighttrain wrote:
Very true. That’s how you avoid being subject to bad luck scenarios. Pull a hole shot, gap the field, ride around by yourself in front for...
Very true. That’s how you avoid being subject to bad luck scenarios. Pull a hole shot, gap the field, ride around by yourself in front for the entire race. It’s quite simple, right? 😆
Or dont get a good start (not the riders fault,ever)get caught up in the white wash and just call it bad luckWoohoo
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Superdave19 9/29/2019 7:13pm
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I wouldn’t hesitate to send these 3 back again-
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