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SwingHard 7/30/2019 10:37am
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OldHalfway wrote:
Id much rather have A Mart on the 250 than Justin Cooper. Just a gut feeling thing.
GrapeApe wrote:
You think Suzuki would foot the bill for that trip? They have no team in Europe to provide support.
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
JGR would.
Good point! Now where does Pro Circuit fit into the decision? Does he currently race for "Pro Circuit" Kawasaki or "Kawasaki" Pro Circuit? Seams to me Pro Circuit would have some say in the decision?
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jorgechavez 7/30/2019 10:39am
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I disagree with the idea that Kawasaki is just taking the hit for the riders not wanting to go. Obviously Tomac probably doesn’t want to go but I have a hard time believing AC doesn’t want to either.

I tend to think Kawi saw how much they spent to partake in the event when it was held in America last year and also saw how much they got out of it and said “Nope.”. Have to remember that it’s a lot of work for the entire team, and it’s not just for that weekend it’s every week leading up to the event.
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Mr. Afterbar 7/30/2019 10:39am
7/30/2019 10:39am Edited Date/Time 7/30/2019 10:45am
GrapeApe wrote:
N-Fab, a team sponsor, stepped up big time to help Monster, a personal sponsor of Barcia's, helped The entire team USA was on Yamahas with full...
N-Fab, a team sponsor, stepped up big time to help
Monster, a personal sponsor of Barcia's, helped
The entire team USA was on Yamahas with full Yamaha support
Team USA pitted out of the Kemea Yamaha rig for the weekend, a big help

None of those things apply to JGR now. Albrecht has a budget for the year and it is tight with no title sponsor. MXdN is not in that budget. They would need money and support and it's not coming out of Coy's pocket.
Got any sources for any of that info? Other than pitting out of a truck. Suzuki Europe has trucks too, just not a race team. JGR helped foot the bill and could do so again if one of their riders were chosen. Sounds like you are basing this on hypothetical situations as you see fit.
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Webb, Osborne and "anyone" is still a strong team..
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GrapeApe 7/30/2019 10:55am
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GrapeApe wrote:
N-Fab, a team sponsor, stepped up big time to help Monster, a personal sponsor of Barcia's, helped The entire team USA was on Yamahas with full...
N-Fab, a team sponsor, stepped up big time to help
Monster, a personal sponsor of Barcia's, helped
The entire team USA was on Yamahas with full Yamaha support
Team USA pitted out of the Kemea Yamaha rig for the weekend, a big help

None of those things apply to JGR now. Albrecht has a budget for the year and it is tight with no title sponsor. MXdN is not in that budget. They would need money and support and it's not coming out of Coy's pocket.
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Got any sources for any of that info? Other than pitting out of a truck. Suzuki Europe has trucks too, just not a race team. JGR...
Got any sources for any of that info? Other than pitting out of a truck. Suzuki Europe has trucks too, just not a race team. JGR helped foot the bill and could do so again if one of their riders were chosen. Sounds like you are basing this on hypothetical situations as you see fit.


https://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/Photo-Blast-MXoN-Saturday-bikes-and-racing,38626/Justin-Barcia,86784/Jefro98,448



Justin Barcia's Team USA machine. N-Fab stepped up to help pay for expenses, so they get some more love this weekend.
Credit: Jeffrey Beerdsen
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AC is leaving Kawasaki? Is this one of the reasons?
Hes leaving PC to MEK
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GrapeApe wrote:
You think Suzuki would foot the bill for that trip? They have no team in Europe to provide support.
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
JGR would.
SwingHard wrote:
Good point! Now where does Pro Circuit fit into the decision? Does he currently race for "Pro Circuit" Kawasaki or "Kawasaki" Pro Circuit? Seams to me...
Good point! Now where does Pro Circuit fit into the decision? Does he currently race for "Pro Circuit" Kawasaki or "Kawasaki" Pro Circuit? Seams to me Pro Circuit would have some say in the decision?
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GrapeApe wrote:
N-Fab, a team sponsor, stepped up big time to help Monster, a personal sponsor of Barcia's, helped The entire team USA was on Yamahas with full...
N-Fab, a team sponsor, stepped up big time to help
Monster, a personal sponsor of Barcia's, helped
The entire team USA was on Yamahas with full Yamaha support
Team USA pitted out of the Kemea Yamaha rig for the weekend, a big help

None of those things apply to JGR now. Albrecht has a budget for the year and it is tight with no title sponsor. MXdN is not in that budget. They would need money and support and it's not coming out of Coy's pocket.
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Got any sources for any of that info? Other than pitting out of a truck. Suzuki Europe has trucks too, just not a race team. JGR...
Got any sources for any of that info? Other than pitting out of a truck. Suzuki Europe has trucks too, just not a race team. JGR helped foot the bill and could do so again if one of their riders were chosen. Sounds like you are basing this on hypothetical situations as you see fit.
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[url=https://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/Photo-Blast-MXoN-Saturday-bikes-and-racing,38626/Justin-Barcia,86784/Jefro98,448]https://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/Photo-Blast-MXoN-Saturday-bikes-and-racing,38626/Justin-Barcia,86784/Jefro98,448[/url] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/448/photos/86784/s1200_IMG_4349.jpg?1443287185[/img] [i]Justin Barcia's Team USA machine. N-Fab stepped up to help pay for expenses, so they get some more love this weekend. Credit: Jeffrey Beerdsen[/i]


https://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/Photo-Blast-MXoN-Saturday-bikes-and-racing,38626/Justin-Barcia,86784/Jefro98,448



Justin Barcia's Team USA machine. N-Fab stepped up to help pay for expenses, so they get some more love this weekend.
Credit: Jeffrey Beerdsen
Fair enough. N-Fab HELPED. Got any sources indicating JGR and Suzuki would not support a MXoN effort? And I'm still failing to understand why Suzuki Europe not having a factory team makes a difference. Yamaha Europe doesn't pay for Yamaha USA to race MXoN, and that bike Barcia raced is a full JGR bike shipped to the race, not a Yamaha Europe bike with some parts and graphics slapped on.
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zehn wrote:
The issue was not about Kawi footing the bill. It was about AC paying out of his own pocket to race MXdN, which is a ridiculous...
The issue was not about Kawi footing the bill. It was about AC paying out of his own pocket to race MXdN, which is a ridiculous idea
It wouldn’t be the first time that that exact situation arose and the rider paid his own way to race the MXdN.
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Dirty Points 7/30/2019 11:04am
7/30/2019 11:04am Edited Date/Time 7/30/2019 11:14am
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This was a dumb move by Kawasaki. I'm sure they have some sort of reasoning behind it, but from a marketing perspective it's not smart to...
This was a dumb move by Kawasaki. I'm sure they have some sort of reasoning behind it, but from a marketing perspective it's not smart to shy away from an international opportunity. Their riders and bikes will now miss out on MILLIONS of potential impressions and opportunities to sell Kawasakis.

If I were Adam, I'd buy a KX250 and ask Mitch to build it for me. Then I'd ask Roger if I could hop on a plane to race. (That is, if the reason he's not racing is because Kawasaki declined to provide him with a machine. If they actively forbade him from riding, that's a whole other level of suck.)
"If I were Adam"...

Everyone is just unabatedly generous with hypothetical money and time. Real money and time, much less so.
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GrapeApe 7/30/2019 11:11am
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Got any sources for any of that info? Other than pitting out of a truck. Suzuki Europe has trucks too, just not a race team. JGR...
Got any sources for any of that info? Other than pitting out of a truck. Suzuki Europe has trucks too, just not a race team. JGR helped foot the bill and could do so again if one of their riders were chosen. Sounds like you are basing this on hypothetical situations as you see fit.
GrapeApe wrote:
[url=https://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/Photo-Blast-MXoN-Saturday-bikes-and-racing,38626/Justin-Barcia,86784/Jefro98,448]https://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/Photo-Blast-MXoN-Saturday-bikes-and-racing,38626/Justin-Barcia,86784/Jefro98,448[/url] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/448/photos/86784/s1200_IMG_4349.jpg?1443287185[/img] [i]Justin Barcia's Team USA machine. N-Fab stepped up to help pay for expenses, so they get some more love this weekend. Credit: Jeffrey Beerdsen[/i]


https://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/Photo-Blast-MXoN-Saturday-bikes-and-racing,38626/Justin-Barcia,86784/Jefro98,448



Justin Barcia's Team USA machine. N-Fab stepped up to help pay for expenses, so they get some more love this weekend.
Credit: Jeffrey Beerdsen
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Fair enough. N-Fab HELPED. Got any sources indicating JGR and Suzuki would not support a MXoN effort? And I'm still failing to understand why Suzuki Europe...
Fair enough. N-Fab HELPED. Got any sources indicating JGR and Suzuki would not support a MXoN effort? And I'm still failing to understand why Suzuki Europe not having a factory team makes a difference. Yamaha Europe doesn't pay for Yamaha USA to race MXoN, and that bike Barcia raced is a full JGR bike shipped to the race, not a Yamaha Europe bike with some parts and graphics slapped on.
No, I don't care enough to go on. You win.
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SwingHard 7/30/2019 11:17am
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
JGR would.
SwingHard wrote:
Good point! Now where does Pro Circuit fit into the decision? Does he currently race for "Pro Circuit" Kawasaki or "Kawasaki" Pro Circuit? Seams to me...
Good point! Now where does Pro Circuit fit into the decision? Does he currently race for "Pro Circuit" Kawasaki or "Kawasaki" Pro Circuit? Seams to me Pro Circuit would have some say in the decision?
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Falcon wrote:
This was a dumb move by Kawasaki. I'm sure they have some sort of reasoning behind it, but from a marketing perspective it's not smart to...
This was a dumb move by Kawasaki. I'm sure they have some sort of reasoning behind it, but from a marketing perspective it's not smart to shy away from an international opportunity. Their riders and bikes will now miss out on MILLIONS of potential impressions and opportunities to sell Kawasakis.

If I were Adam, I'd buy a KX250 and ask Mitch to build it for me. Then I'd ask Roger if I could hop on a plane to race. (That is, if the reason he's not racing is because Kawasaki declined to provide him with a machine. If they actively forbade him from riding, that's a whole other level of suck.)
Dirty Points wrote:
"If I were Adam"...

Everyone is just unabatedly generous with hypothetical money and time. Real money and time, much less so.
Exactly,. People love to tell people how to spend their own money. Lol. People that say i would do this,that etc know dam well they wouldnt. Just easy to say while not being in that position. Same people say that about 2 strokes, if they made a new ,cr,kx rm i would buy 2. , Lol. Sure ya would.
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Mr. Afterbar 7/30/2019 11:23am
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No, I don't care enough to go on. You win.
It's not about winning. It's about comments that have no substance or factual info to support them.
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zehn 7/30/2019 11:28am
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zehn wrote:
The issue was not about Kawi footing the bill. It was about AC paying out of his own pocket to race MXdN, which is a ridiculous...
The issue was not about Kawi footing the bill. It was about AC paying out of his own pocket to race MXdN, which is a ridiculous idea
Robgvx wrote:
It wouldn’t be the first time that that exact situation arose and the rider paid his own way to race the MXdN.
And? That’s still bullshit. Just because a rider has done it before doesn’t justify another rider doing it.

What rider and which MXdN?
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danman 7/30/2019 11:37am
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I think our best chances are Anderson in the Open, Webb in the 450, and Osborne on the 250. All 3 are stubborn and will ride the wheels off to win and none of them are bad in sand.
I don't think Justin Cooper has things figured out to be consistent enough. With Sexton, will he be past the sickness by then, and also similar to Justin, lack of consistency. Both of these guys will probably make the trip in the coming years though.
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sam hain 7/30/2019 11:41am
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danman wrote:
I think our best chances are Anderson in the Open, Webb in the 450, and Osborne on the 250. All 3 are stubborn and will ride...
I think our best chances are Anderson in the Open, Webb in the 450, and Osborne on the 250. All 3 are stubborn and will ride the wheels off to win and none of them are bad in sand.
I don't think Justin Cooper has things figured out to be consistent enough. With Sexton, will he be past the sickness by then, and also similar to Justin, lack of consistency. Both of these guys will probably make the trip in the coming years though.
I agree. I don't think Cooper has the mindset right now to handle it. The amount of butthurt he's shown on IG lately proves that.
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biscuit11 7/30/2019 11:46am
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This year’s MXoN hasn’t looked that great for us ever since it was announced. Bummed AC can’t/isn’t going but I’m not even surprised anymore. When was...
This year’s MXoN hasn’t looked that great for us ever since it was announced. Bummed AC can’t/isn’t going but I’m not even surprised anymore.

When was the last time we even sent our top 3 riders to the MXoN as a team? Whether it’s the rider not wanting to go or the team not allowing the rider to go, America has given up on the MXoN in favor of Supercross. It’s sad but true. Last year at Red Bud we had close to our best team: that year’s 250 and 450 champ and then a mid pack guy that was willing to go. And Kawi decides that is the time and place to test out a brand new, unproven motorcycle to get ready for SX... Just, why?

I still think we can win on the right weekend, even with a “B team”, and will always cheer on and support the guys that represent us. But the fact that we are stuck sending mid-pack riders to represent what American MX has to offer makes it hard to stomach at times.
3yrs back we sent a solid team but the last 2 have been iffy. Lots of hype on last years team but other than Eli i didnt understand the hype. This years team has many options that would still be more impressive on paper than last years team. I know AP was 250 champ but it was kinda a down year for the class with injuries. Anderson and AC would have been awesome last yr but it wasnt an option.
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Dirty Points 7/30/2019 11:49am
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aeffertz wrote:
This year’s MXoN hasn’t looked that great for us ever since it was announced. Bummed AC can’t/isn’t going but I’m not even surprised anymore. When was...
This year’s MXoN hasn’t looked that great for us ever since it was announced. Bummed AC can’t/isn’t going but I’m not even surprised anymore.

When was the last time we even sent our top 3 riders to the MXoN as a team? Whether it’s the rider not wanting to go or the team not allowing the rider to go, America has given up on the MXoN in favor of Supercross. It’s sad but true. Last year at Red Bud we had close to our best team: that year’s 250 and 450 champ and then a mid pack guy that was willing to go. And Kawi decides that is the time and place to test out a brand new, unproven motorcycle to get ready for SX... Just, why?

I still think we can win on the right weekend, even with a “B team”, and will always cheer on and support the guys that represent us. But the fact that we are stuck sending mid-pack riders to represent what American MX has to offer makes it hard to stomach at times.
biscuit11 wrote:
3yrs back we sent a solid team but the last 2 have been iffy. Lots of hype on last years team but other than Eli i...
3yrs back we sent a solid team but the last 2 have been iffy. Lots of hype on last years team but other than Eli i didnt understand the hype. This years team has many options that would still be more impressive on paper than last years team. I know AP was 250 champ but it was kinda a down year for the class with injuries. Anderson and AC would have been awesome last yr but it wasnt an option.
The hype was because it was the first time in who knows how long that our top outdoor finishers actually went.

And as this thread indicates, won't happen again this year.
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ProKawi24 7/30/2019 11:53am
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He can go next year. Right now the main focus should be 100% preparation for the 450 once this outdoor season is over. It makes zero sense to send him to MXoN on a 250 when during that time he will be riding a 450 prepping for SX/Monster cup.

Hate to say it and I know it's not popular around here but MXoN is a glorified exhibition. It doesn't carry the same weight as it did many years ago. I have no doubt it means a lot to the riders but to the "industry" I don't think so. Let's see a rider miss the entire SX/MX season due to injury at MXoN and ask them if it was worth it...if it were me I'd say Hell no. You wanna talk about sales going down??? Having your star rider miss the entire SX/MX season will do that...not missing MXoN.
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Falcon 7/30/2019 11:58am
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Falcon wrote:
This was a dumb move by Kawasaki. I'm sure they have some sort of reasoning behind it, but from a marketing perspective it's not smart to...
This was a dumb move by Kawasaki. I'm sure they have some sort of reasoning behind it, but from a marketing perspective it's not smart to shy away from an international opportunity. Their riders and bikes will now miss out on MILLIONS of potential impressions and opportunities to sell Kawasakis.

If I were Adam, I'd buy a KX250 and ask Mitch to build it for me. Then I'd ask Roger if I could hop on a plane to race. (That is, if the reason he's not racing is because Kawasaki declined to provide him with a machine. If they actively forbade him from riding, that's a whole other level of suck.)
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"If I were Adam"...

Everyone is just unabatedly generous with hypothetical money and time. Real money and time, much less so.
Touche.

But remember, I come from a time when racing the MXDN was the main goal of your season. Everybody wanted to go whoop up on the Euros and ride for their country. Back then you didn't need a race rig and 10 hangers-on either. You'd just clean up the race bike from the last National, ship it over in a crate, and pit out of a rented box van with an EZup and have about a 99.9% chance of winning. Now, not so much I suppose. Unsure

My comment comes from the basic assumption that if I were a factory rider, I'd be down to represent the USA any time they called on me. To have my race team shut that opportunity down would make me pissed. I still think it's a bad look for Kawi.
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Tomac stated earlier in the year that he would go if selected. He said he'd like a chance to "get revenge on those guys", and seemed fairly enthusiastic about it. With that said, I don't think there's any reason to think Tomac was just bullshitting everybody. If Tomac isn't on the mxon team this year, I believe it is because Kawasaki won't support it.
Theres logic in Kawasaki's decision regarding AC, but that doesn't mean it applies to Tomac. Or at least not nearly as much. They may ass up the funds to send Tomac. We don't know for sure yet. I doubt they will though.
I don't believe for a second that Kawasaki is taking the hit for Tomac and AC. I think both of those guys are more than willing to go race it. Even on that lame ass track.
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RichardLoots 7/30/2019 12:11pm
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downvote from me .. Wink what terrible tracks you are talking about , except Assen for this year ??
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OldHalfway 7/30/2019 12:16pm
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OldHalfway wrote:
Id much rather have A Mart on the 250 than Justin Cooper. Just a gut feeling thing.
GrapeApe wrote:
You think Suzuki would foot the bill for that trip? They have no team in Europe to provide support.
Sadly I agree.
kieran_macca 7/30/2019 12:20pm
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A mudder? Almost like MXdN 2018? Wink
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There must be a boatload of extra money in Europe. They all managed to send teams to America last year. They also all manage to send teams to crazy out of the way countries several times a year during the regular MXGP season.
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Fonzarelli wrote:
There must be a boatload of extra money in Europe. They all managed to send teams to America last year. They also all manage to send...
There must be a boatload of extra money in Europe. They all managed to send teams to America last year. They also all manage to send teams to crazy out of the way countries several times a year during the regular MXGP season.
They save money on the years they dont come over. US on the other hand doesnt.
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Fonzarelli wrote:
There must be a boatload of extra money in Europe. They all managed to send teams to America last year. They also all manage to send...
There must be a boatload of extra money in Europe. They all managed to send teams to America last year. They also all manage to send teams to crazy out of the way countries several times a year during the regular MXGP season.
Almost like their travel budget conceptualizes guaranteed trans-continental travel every year 🤔
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