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It’ll be on the ‘21.
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Will we see the Pro Circuit team running KYB though?
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I see they finally cut out the right side air box. Wondering if I should do the same to my 18.





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I see they finally cut out the right side air box. Wondering if I should do the same to my 18. [img]https://content.kawasaki.com/Content/uploads/TrimGroup/kx-250/mppOverViewImage/mpp-MPP_OVERVIEW_SIDE-my20_kx250@2x.19610143648.jpg[/img] [img]https://motocrossactionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/20_KX252ALF_000048_16.high_.jpg[/img]
I see they finally cut out the right side air box. Wondering if I should do the same to my 18.





I did on mine, not really noticeable but makes me feel better. 😂

I race woods and mostly rode moto, never had an issue with the kickstart. I can easily be top 5-7 off the start against the e-start bikes. One of my favorite things about my kawi is for some reason it starts easily in gear, now 1.5hrs into the race, my opinion may change. Still not a deal breaker though.
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colvin227 6/18/2019 1:46pm
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Titan777 wrote:
I see they finally cut out the right side air box. Wondering if I should do the same to my 18. [img]https://content.kawasaki.com/Content/uploads/TrimGroup/kx-250/mppOverViewImage/mpp-MPP_OVERVIEW_SIDE-my20_kx250@2x.19610143648.jpg[/img] [img]https://motocrossactionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/20_KX252ALF_000048_16.high_.jpg[/img]
I see they finally cut out the right side air box. Wondering if I should do the same to my 18.





I’m sure they had to open it back up because they are running a larger piston and larger valves in this new configuration So they need more air to feed the larger components. This motor design with the larger piston, shorter stroke and big valves should make much better high RPM HP than the previous design, but at the trade off of bottom. I’m willing to bet the older design (2017-2019) will be more lively and “torquey” off the low end than the 20. But it should scream up top, which some would argue that’s what a 250F should do. Its give and take and this design lends to top vs bottom Like KTM or the Honda design.
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Looks like I already own some 2020's

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Motor sounds like a screamer. Big fan of the KYB move too. Ugly as hell though.
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Motor sounds like a screamer. Big fan of the KYB move too. Ugly as hell though.
Put some backgrounds on it and it will look fine. Most people swap out the white number plates right away anyhow.
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Bike doesn't need electric start. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not on next years model either.
kb228 wrote:
It needs it because their competitors have it. Keep up with technology or fall behind like Suzuki. Estart is a requirement for most new buyers.
E-start is huge negative in my book. I'll buy one if I find out it's the last year for a kicker.
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Pressing a button is a lot easier way to start your bike when your 2 hours into weston beach race and have just gone over the...
Pressing a button is a lot easier way to start your bike when your 2 hours into weston beach race and have just gone over the bars.
If I was racing pro AMA motocross, or hare scrambles yes I would want a e-start. Being I ride for fun.... like 75% of the other buyers, I want a kicker.
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What other 250f have estart besides ktm/husky?
Barrett57 wrote:
Honda and yamaha
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I’m sure they had to open it back up because they are running a larger piston and larger valves in this new configuration So they need...
I’m sure they had to open it back up because they are running a larger piston and larger valves in this new configuration So they need more air to feed the larger components. This motor design with the larger piston, shorter stroke and big valves should make much better high RPM HP than the previous design, but at the trade off of bottom. I’m willing to bet the older design (2017-2019) will be more lively and “torquey” off the low end than the 20. But it should scream up top, which some would argue that’s what a 250F should do. Its give and take and this design lends to top vs bottom Like KTM or the Honda design.
Thanks for the explanation. So you're saying I shouldn't cut out my right airbox on my 18?

By the way, if it runs higher rpm, can an aftermarket exhaust system balance the power curve and add more bottom to it (or a map)?
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colvin227 6/18/2019 7:36pm
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colvin227 wrote:
I’m sure they had to open it back up because they are running a larger piston and larger valves in this new configuration So they need...
I’m sure they had to open it back up because they are running a larger piston and larger valves in this new configuration So they need more air to feed the larger components. This motor design with the larger piston, shorter stroke and big valves should make much better high RPM HP than the previous design, but at the trade off of bottom. I’m willing to bet the older design (2017-2019) will be more lively and “torquey” off the low end than the 20. But it should scream up top, which some would argue that’s what a 250F should do. Its give and take and this design lends to top vs bottom Like KTM or the Honda design.
Titan777 wrote:
Thanks for the explanation. So you're saying I shouldn't cut out my right airbox on my 18? By the way, if it runs higher rpm, can...
Thanks for the explanation. So you're saying I shouldn't cut out my right airbox on my 18?

By the way, if it runs higher rpm, can an aftermarket exhaust system balance the power curve and add more bottom to it (or a map)?
A pipe will more than likely help mid-top as that will more than likely flow more air. But of course that is dependent on the aftermarket pipe designers goal. When you are pushing a lot of air with a certain component package it’s usually a trade off for low end torque to gain high end HP. Consequently if you have a tractor type low end stump puller type power band (smaller piston, smaller valves, tighter combustion chamber, smaller throttle body, faster closing cam profiles) then you’ll have a softer top end, it’s the way it is. It’s always a trade off. We don’t know how this bike is yet, it may be the perfect powerband for a 250 ripper, I’m just pointing out simply by the configuration we know on paper it should resemble the KTM 250 powerband or the Honda with being stronger on top with a chance of losing low end from the current configuration. As a result, that might be totally fine given how it performs on the track and it could be an “improvement.” We’ll see when the guys get to ride em.
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Will we see the Pro Circuit team running KYB though?
They can handle the improvement of going from Showa up to KYB. Don't worry.
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KX85?
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If I was racing pro AMA motocross, or hare scrambles yes I would want a e-start. Being I ride for fun.... like 75% of the other...
If I was racing pro AMA motocross, or hare scrambles yes I would want a e-start. Being I ride for fun.... like 75% of the other buyers, I want a kicker.
There are three kind of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.

And those look like particularly dodgy statistics. If 3/4 people who buy motocross bikes want kick starts, why isn't the paddock at every track full of luddites on Kawasakis and Suzukis?
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sandtrack315 wrote:
Motor sounds like a screamer. Big fan of the KYB move too. Ugly as hell though.
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Put some backgrounds on it and it will look fine. Most people swap out the white number plates right away anyhow.
I mostly mean that big green line of plastic under the seat.

Anyone who buys this bike should have Enzo do the suspension. I think that’s the closest you can get to A kit stuff for a reasonable price.
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Once you've had e-start... VERY hard to go back to kicking a bike. It makes life much nicer.. especially out on the trails!
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Texas Built wrote:
If I was racing pro AMA motocross, or hare scrambles yes I would want a e-start. Being I ride for fun.... like 75% of the other...
If I was racing pro AMA motocross, or hare scrambles yes I would want a e-start. Being I ride for fun.... like 75% of the other buyers, I want a kicker.
Barrett57 wrote:
There are three kind of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics. And those look like particularly dodgy statistics. If 3/4 people who buy motocross bikes want...
There are three kind of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.

And those look like particularly dodgy statistics. If 3/4 people who buy motocross bikes want kick starts, why isn't the paddock at every track full of luddites on Kawasakis and Suzukis?
Good point!
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PTshox wrote:
Once you've had e-start... VERY hard to go back to kicking a bike. It makes life much nicer.. especially out on the trails!
Until your battery dies on you 5 miles away from your truck.
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PTshox wrote:
Once you've had e-start... VERY hard to go back to kicking a bike. It makes life much nicer.. especially out on the trails!
mxrose3 wrote:
Until your battery dies on you 5 miles away from your truck.
As if that happens every other week... cars and street bikes are estart and how often do they fail? Im sure your car is a crank to start too......
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PTshox wrote:
Once you've had e-start... VERY hard to go back to kicking a bike. It makes life much nicer.. especially out on the trails!
mxrose3 wrote:
Until your battery dies on you 5 miles away from your truck.
kb228 wrote:
As if that happens every other week... cars and street bikes are estart and how often do they fail? Im sure your car is a crank...
As if that happens every other week... cars and street bikes are estart and how often do they fail? Im sure your car is a crank to start too......
you are correct, it doesn't happen often, but it will happen at the worst time. I've had it happen to my street vehicles in the middle of nowhere also. Not fun, but do I want to have a manual crank on a V8 engine? No... a single cylinder motorcycle? debatable.
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kb228 wrote:
As if that happens every other week... cars and street bikes are estart and how often do they fail? Im sure your car is a crank...
As if that happens every other week... cars and street bikes are estart and how often do they fail? Im sure your car is a crank to start too......
Don’t you ride an ‘09 KX450? Do you own an e-start bike?
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duckdog77 wrote:
I’m curious on the klx300r. I’m currently racing harescramble on a kx250f with out e start it’s miserable. Everyone I race has it. And our races...
I’m curious on the klx300r. I’m currently racing harescramble on a kx250f with out e start it’s miserable. Everyone I race has it. And our races are dead engine start. I’m last out the gate every time.

Is this thing a strike at competing in off road racing or just another trail bike for a weekend warrior?
Definitely not a strike at competing in off-road racing but rather a trail style bike for a full-sized adult to ride. I definitely like it and I feel that the bike could be a great bike for your purposes as well as getting the whole family kitted on bikes without having to go the motocrosser route.

Doubt we will see that bike in the XC1 ever. But I'm stoked to see Kawi getting back into the trails segment and taking it seriously. That bike does look fun!
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kb228 wrote:
As if that happens every other week... cars and street bikes are estart and how often do they fail? Im sure your car is a crank...
As if that happens every other week... cars and street bikes are estart and how often do they fail? Im sure your car is a crank to start too......
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Don’t you ride an ‘09 KX450? Do you own an e-start bike?
No but id love to. Having it on my street bike spoiled me. Whats your point?
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colvin227 wrote:
I’m sure they had to open it back up because they are running a larger piston and larger valves in this new configuration So they need...
I’m sure they had to open it back up because they are running a larger piston and larger valves in this new configuration So they need more air to feed the larger components. This motor design with the larger piston, shorter stroke and big valves should make much better high RPM HP than the previous design, but at the trade off of bottom. I’m willing to bet the older design (2017-2019) will be more lively and “torquey” off the low end than the 20. But it should scream up top, which some would argue that’s what a 250F should do. Its give and take and this design lends to top vs bottom Like KTM or the Honda design.
Titan777 wrote:
Thanks for the explanation. So you're saying I shouldn't cut out my right airbox on my 18? By the way, if it runs higher rpm, can...
Thanks for the explanation. So you're saying I shouldn't cut out my right airbox on my 18?

By the way, if it runs higher rpm, can an aftermarket exhaust system balance the power curve and add more bottom to it (or a map)?
colvin227 wrote:
A pipe will more than likely help mid-top as that will more than likely flow more air. But of course that is dependent on the aftermarket...
A pipe will more than likely help mid-top as that will more than likely flow more air. But of course that is dependent on the aftermarket pipe designers goal. When you are pushing a lot of air with a certain component package it’s usually a trade off for low end torque to gain high end HP. Consequently if you have a tractor type low end stump puller type power band (smaller piston, smaller valves, tighter combustion chamber, smaller throttle body, faster closing cam profiles) then you’ll have a softer top end, it’s the way it is. It’s always a trade off. We don’t know how this bike is yet, it may be the perfect powerband for a 250 ripper, I’m just pointing out simply by the configuration we know on paper it should resemble the KTM 250 powerband or the Honda with being stronger on top with a chance of losing low end from the current configuration. As a result, that might be totally fine given how it performs on the track and it could be an “improvement.” We’ll see when the guys get to ride em.
Great comment. I just got a new FMF 4.1 Ti system. Which stock map you think will work best?
Thanks!
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Titan777 wrote:
Thanks for the explanation. So you're saying I shouldn't cut out my right airbox on my 18? By the way, if it runs higher rpm, can...
Thanks for the explanation. So you're saying I shouldn't cut out my right airbox on my 18?

By the way, if it runs higher rpm, can an aftermarket exhaust system balance the power curve and add more bottom to it (or a map)?
colvin227 wrote:
A pipe will more than likely help mid-top as that will more than likely flow more air. But of course that is dependent on the aftermarket...
A pipe will more than likely help mid-top as that will more than likely flow more air. But of course that is dependent on the aftermarket pipe designers goal. When you are pushing a lot of air with a certain component package it’s usually a trade off for low end torque to gain high end HP. Consequently if you have a tractor type low end stump puller type power band (smaller piston, smaller valves, tighter combustion chamber, smaller throttle body, faster closing cam profiles) then you’ll have a softer top end, it’s the way it is. It’s always a trade off. We don’t know how this bike is yet, it may be the perfect powerband for a 250 ripper, I’m just pointing out simply by the configuration we know on paper it should resemble the KTM 250 powerband or the Honda with being stronger on top with a chance of losing low end from the current configuration. As a result, that might be totally fine given how it performs on the track and it could be an “improvement.” We’ll see when the guys get to ride em.
Titan777 wrote:
Great comment. I just got a new FMF 4.1 Ti system. Which stock map you think will work best?
Thanks!
The stock green coupler would handle it fine. When I had my 2016 KX250f I liked the white coupler for all situations and I never got any overly lean conditions while running it so either one should be fine.
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colvin227 wrote:
A pipe will more than likely help mid-top as that will more than likely flow more air. But of course that is dependent on the aftermarket...
A pipe will more than likely help mid-top as that will more than likely flow more air. But of course that is dependent on the aftermarket pipe designers goal. When you are pushing a lot of air with a certain component package it’s usually a trade off for low end torque to gain high end HP. Consequently if you have a tractor type low end stump puller type power band (smaller piston, smaller valves, tighter combustion chamber, smaller throttle body, faster closing cam profiles) then you’ll have a softer top end, it’s the way it is. It’s always a trade off. We don’t know how this bike is yet, it may be the perfect powerband for a 250 ripper, I’m just pointing out simply by the configuration we know on paper it should resemble the KTM 250 powerband or the Honda with being stronger on top with a chance of losing low end from the current configuration. As a result, that might be totally fine given how it performs on the track and it could be an “improvement.” We’ll see when the guys get to ride em.
Titan777 wrote:
Great comment. I just got a new FMF 4.1 Ti system. Which stock map you think will work best?
Thanks!
colvin227 wrote:
The stock green coupler would handle it fine. When I had my 2016 KX250f I liked the white coupler for all situations and I never got...
The stock green coupler would handle it fine. When I had my 2016 KX250f I liked the white coupler for all situations and I never got any overly lean conditions while running it so either one should be fine.
Green coupler.
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CivBars wrote:
Will we see the Pro Circuit team running KYB though?
KDXGarage wrote:
They can handle the improvement of going from Showa up to KYB. Don't worry.
I have to think that you're being sarcastic or that i'm misreading what you've written? The KYB fork thats going on the new 250f is no where near the level showa fork that PC team runs.... They are on the newest fork most likely with 27mm mid valve.... current works stuff. This KYB fork is still 4mm smaller than the current works or production 49mm showa main comp.

The current 2019 showa 49mm spring fork on the 450 is a superior fork internally as well. They've always had the 250F on one brand and the 450 on the other - probably to keep pricing in check between vendors.

This KYB fork is the same one that has been on yamaha since 2006 from the looks of it. A great fork, but not as good as the production 19 showa units or the works parts PC runs.
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DJV804 6/19/2019 12:35pm
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CivBars wrote:
Will we see the Pro Circuit team running KYB though?
KDXGarage wrote:
They can handle the improvement of going from Showa up to KYB. Don't worry.
dmm698 wrote:
I have to think that you're being sarcastic or that i'm misreading what you've written? The KYB fork thats going on the new 250f is no...
I have to think that you're being sarcastic or that i'm misreading what you've written? The KYB fork thats going on the new 250f is no where near the level showa fork that PC team runs.... They are on the newest fork most likely with 27mm mid valve.... current works stuff. This KYB fork is still 4mm smaller than the current works or production 49mm showa main comp.

The current 2019 showa 49mm spring fork on the 450 is a superior fork internally as well. They've always had the 250F on one brand and the 450 on the other - probably to keep pricing in check between vendors.

This KYB fork is the same one that has been on yamaha since 2006 from the looks of it. A great fork, but not as good as the production 19 showa units or the works parts PC runs.
Pretty sure he was asking if we'd see PC on some factory or kit kyb stuff. We are all aware they aren't going to run the production components.

Both the 250 and 450 have been on showa for a few years now, just the sff junk that was on the 250f was atrocious so reguardless this is an exciting change.

It also says in the PR that this is the latest gen kyb with a 25mm mid Piston, so only 2mm different.
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