Christian Craig Contaminated Supplements

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6/19/2019 5:04am
motogrady wrote:
Why in this day and age would a guy, with his whole career and reputation on the line, take any of that crap?
Because many of us take supplements to help us recover or supplement a depleted resource in our body. We like to stay in shape and I 100% believe what he says in this and I'd bet if they tested every damn racer out there that most of their supps are contaminated as well.

If the damn AMA doesn't pull their heads out of their asses on our drug testing policy and find a middle road between where we were and where we are with the "confused" FIM group they're going to wind up ruining some up and coming young athletes career.

For crying out loud they "dun" retired Stew what's next ??!!
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6/19/2019 5:19am
logan_140 wrote:
No sort of doping is going to help a racer win a sx or Mx race imo. There’s so much more to it then that.
So if you can train harder, recover faster and go faster for longer it's not going to help you win? Lol ok.
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6/19/2019 5:23am
logan_140 wrote:
No sort of doping is going to help a racer win a sx or Mx race imo. There’s so much more to it then that.
So if you can train harder, recover faster and go faster for longer it's not going to help you win? Lol ok.
I see where he’s coming from. Doping isn’t going to make a privateer gain talent and become Tomac or Roczen. It would be 100% beneficial to all the top level guys though.
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6/19/2019 5:31am
brapgod69 wrote:
I see where he’s coming from. Doping isn’t going to make a privateer gain talent and become Tomac or Roczen. It would be 100% beneficial to...
I see where he’s coming from. Doping isn’t going to make a privateer gain talent and become Tomac or Roczen. It would be 100% beneficial to all the top level guys though.
Exactly.

An elite athlete is an elite athlete, it is not going to make a local pro all the sudden start going warp 10
But the elite athletes who can go warp 10 (or 11, because it's one better than 10), using a PED can allow them to train at a higher level longer, increasing race fitness and the ability to maintain that speed for a longer period of time.
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6/19/2019 5:36am
This may be a very stupid question, but what happens if the AMA/Feld/MXSports says screw it and let’s Christian and Broc ride? Would there be a fine to the AMA for not following the rules? Would there be a lawsuit or something?

Also, when Feld signs up to be affiliated with the FIM, is there a contract or some sort of legal document that can be written, like a clause or something that states we don’t abide by the FIM’s punishment, but will implement our own punishment which we think is fair?

GuyB, Cooksey, you guys have any idea?
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6/19/2019 5:40am
This stuff is so overblown. Give em a $15k fine, lose all your points, and suspended for 8 races. Then its over, we all forgive you for giving into competitive pressure and you can rebuild your career.
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6/19/2019 5:41am
HandicapMX wrote:
This may be a very stupid question, but what happens if the AMA/Feld/MXSports says screw it and let’s Christian and Broc ride? Would there be a...
This may be a very stupid question, but what happens if the AMA/Feld/MXSports says screw it and let’s Christian and Broc ride? Would there be a fine to the AMA for not following the rules? Would there be a lawsuit or something?

Also, when Feld signs up to be affiliated with the FIM, is there a contract or some sort of legal document that can be written, like a clause or something that states we don’t abide by the FIM’s punishment, but will implement our own punishment which we think is fair?

GuyB, Cooksey, you guys have any idea?
Feld agrees to abide by all FIM rules and guidelines as part of it's sanctioning
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6/19/2019 6:06am
I’m starting to believe this is all intentional, not out of incompetence. If wada waits several months or more before notifying a positive test to a rider, it is dam near impossible to go back and prove contaminated supplements are to blame.
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6/19/2019 6:08am
Are these guys banned from racing prior to the official ruling? I just wonder if they could keep riding and earning a living while WADA/USADA are jerking them around? If I am knocking on 30.........
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6/19/2019 6:13am
Are these guys banned from racing prior to the official ruling? I just wonder if they could keep riding and earning a living while WADA/USADA are...
Are these guys banned from racing prior to the official ruling? I just wonder if they could keep riding and earning a living while WADA/USADA are jerking them around? If I am knocking on 30.........
If jetwerx in Canada was smart they would stay away from the FIM so teams can pick up suspended US riders for cheap
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Christian Craig - MX, SX, & MEC Race Results
Individual Race Results
Position Race Class Date Machine
18 Thunder Valley 250 June 1, 2019 Honda CRF250
11 Pala 250 May 25, 2019 Honda CRF250
10 Hangtown 250 May 18, 2019 Honda CRF250
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6/19/2019 6:36am
I noticed he used to be a Ryno Power athlete and now he’s switched to Arma. Could it be that the supplement from Ryno Power was...
I noticed he used to be a Ryno Power athlete and now he’s switched to Arma. Could it be that the supplement from Ryno Power was contaminated?
He wasn’t using RynoPower at the time.
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6/19/2019 6:40am
I just wonder if an older guy who was potentially going to get suspended (in a year or 2 when they decide), if it wouldnt be better just to ride it out while they are younger, in race shape, vs waiting out the suspension hoping to get to race due to time served? A 2 year suspension at 28, wouldnt be the same as one at 22.
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6/19/2019 6:42am
This entire FIM process needs to be trashed! With that said, I was very suspicious when I saw his HR at 215 during the triple crown...
This entire FIM process needs to be trashed! With that said, I was very suspicious when I saw his HR at 215 during the triple crown at Anaheim last year... Just saying. I don't care if he used everything available in the BALCO labs, it's stupid to test riders who are paid so little prize money.
hamncheeze wrote:
HRM straps are subject to noise. I'm way past my moto days but I've worn every brand out there in cycling and at some point all...
HRM straps are subject to noise. I'm way past my moto days but I've worn every brand out there in cycling and at some point all of them have given me erroneous HR data, and the Garmin ones always seem to go to HR between 212 and 232 when they are acting up (and Garmin was a sponsor of Geico).
215 HR is not out of line for a 20 year old super fit athlete. It is at or very close to max and certainly anaerobic, but not unusual. If he was 50 i would say that is strange, but doping doesn't cause that.
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The absolute definition of bush league. Who in the moto media has the reach, and the balls, to bum rush Giuseppe, TMZ style with cameras running...
The absolute definition of bush league. Who in the moto media has the reach, and the balls, to bum rush Giuseppe, TMZ style with cameras running, demanding answers on how such a delayed reaction to such critical issue is considered acceptable??
I think you are confused. This is not an issue that Giuseppe has anything to do with.
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6/19/2019 7:01am
OK WADA, show the effect of this substance and how it helped Craig. If WADA is going to ban someone, they better be able to show how it helped or gave an advantage. If you cut the course, there's an obvious advantage. If you run a 150 in the 125 class, there's an advantage. WADA can't show shit. Cause it's 99.9999% no advantage.
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6/19/2019 7:13am
You know Craig has been racing, right?
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6/19/2019 7:14am
This entire FIM process needs to be trashed! With that said, I was very suspicious when I saw his HR at 215 during the triple crown...
This entire FIM process needs to be trashed! With that said, I was very suspicious when I saw his HR at 215 during the triple crown at Anaheim last year... Just saying. I don't care if he used everything available in the BALCO labs, it's stupid to test riders who are paid so little prize money.
hamncheeze wrote:
HRM straps are subject to noise. I'm way past my moto days but I've worn every brand out there in cycling and at some point all...
HRM straps are subject to noise. I'm way past my moto days but I've worn every brand out there in cycling and at some point all of them have given me erroneous HR data, and the Garmin ones always seem to go to HR between 212 and 232 when they are acting up (and Garmin was a sponsor of Geico).
He told me it was normal and while he regularly gets his HR that high. I think it was Sexton who called him a hummingbird.



From an interview I did with Sexton at 2018 Anaheim 2 triple crown.
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6/19/2019 7:20am
This entire FIM process needs to be trashed! With that said, I was very suspicious when I saw his HR at 215 during the triple crown...
This entire FIM process needs to be trashed! With that said, I was very suspicious when I saw his HR at 215 during the triple crown at Anaheim last year... Just saying. I don't care if he used everything available in the BALCO labs, it's stupid to test riders who are paid so little prize money.
hamncheeze wrote:
HRM straps are subject to noise. I'm way past my moto days but I've worn every brand out there in cycling and at some point all...
HRM straps are subject to noise. I'm way past my moto days but I've worn every brand out there in cycling and at some point all of them have given me erroneous HR data, and the Garmin ones always seem to go to HR between 212 and 232 when they are acting up (and Garmin was a sponsor of Geico).
215 HR is not out of line for a 20 year old super fit athlete. It is at or very close to max and certainly anaerobic...
215 HR is not out of line for a 20 year old super fit athlete. It is at or very close to max and certainly anaerobic, but not unusual. If he was 50 i would say that is strange, but doping doesn't cause that.
Disclaimer: I don’t care if he did take the supplement, these guys should be able to use whatever they need because the sport is brutal.

My opinion is he was using asthma medication to open his lungs and improve cardiac response. 250 SX riders are NOT tested, so when he got the call to ride the 450 he assumed it was out of his system.(NOT FACT, pure speculation) That is my guess. A penalty for intentionally using the substance should be 4 races, not 2 years.
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6/19/2019 7:22am
EngIceDave wrote:
You know Craig has been racing, right?
Of course. But by the sound of the letter, he has his doubts about his future. WADA needs to get out of this sport.
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6/19/2019 7:28am
No one has ever tested positive with just Gatorade and bananas. That's all anyone took back in the day. Go back to what works and ditch these designer supplements. They are not worth the hassle.
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6/19/2019 7:30am
Is the common thread here of athlete's taking pre-workout supplements? I took one for a while and that shit had quite the ingredient list.
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6/19/2019 7:31am
The quickest way to solve this would be for the teams to say in October or November that they aren’t showing up to Anaheim 1 unless WADA is out and/or completely revamped.
No teams=no show
No show=no fans
No fans=no $$$.
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kage173 wrote:
This stuff is so overblown. Give em a $15k fine, lose all your points, and suspended for 8 races. Then its over, we all forgive you...
This stuff is so overblown. Give em a $15k fine, lose all your points, and suspended for 8 races. Then its over, we all forgive you for giving into competitive pressure and you can rebuild your career.
I tend to agree. The fine/punishment should fit the "crime". A sizable cash fine, loss of points accumulated & race suspension for a few races would at least give the rider a chance to rebuild his career, and get back into the competitive flow. That (a chance to come back and regroup) didn't happen with Stew, and I doubt seriously that it's going to happen with Broc Tickle.

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Because many of us take supplements to help us recover or supplement a depleted resource in our body. We like to stay in shape and I...
Because many of us take supplements to help us recover or supplement a depleted resource in our body. We like to stay in shape and I 100% believe what he says in this and I'd bet if they tested every damn racer out there that most of their supps are contaminated as well.

If the damn AMA doesn't pull their heads out of their asses on our drug testing policy and find a middle road between where we were and where we are with the "confused" FIM group they're going to wind up ruining some up and coming young athletes career.

For crying out loud they "dun" retired Stew what's next ??!!
The AMA has nothing to do with this whatsoever.
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When is the last time someone in MXGP got popped for drug use? I can’t remember any.
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6/19/2019 7:57am
EngIceDave wrote:
You know Craig has been racing, right?
It seems many commenting here didn't actually Read what Craig wrote : that the level of the drug found was at a low level that meant there was no automatic suspension, And, he was allowed to keep racing. It's there to read.

I haven't closely followed Craig's results since the event in '18 that he was tested. And the '19 date he wrote that he was informed of the tests findings. He's been injured a bit hasn't he? Dave put up some of his results, showing he's been able to continue racing.

I can certainly understand he would be stressed about what may come of this, and, it seems to be exactly what he is highlighting in in his writings. It certainly is strange, but, par for the course ( and Not bloody good enough), the time involved, but, once again, he's been allowed to continue to race, by the authorities.

He says, by mutual agreement on both sides, no comments / revelations were to be made. Yet, he's just broken that stated ( by him) agreement. With the vindictive nature of WADA ( and USADA, in other, non MC related cases I've seen over the years) and the FIM, I fear, for him, that he might just have brought said vindictiveness down on himself, with his need to get this situation, off his chest, so to speak. I truly hope that's not the case, and, within that 30 days he refers to, this Sword of Damocles is lifted from his neck.
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6/19/2019 7:58am
When is the last time someone in MXGP got popped for drug use? I can’t remember any.
A few have, for stuff like ephedrine
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6/19/2019 8:00am Edited Date/Time 6/19/2019 8:01am
When is the last time someone in MXGP got popped for drug use? I can’t remember any.
I'm afraid American racers are the proverbial "redheaded stepchildren" as far as the FIM is concerned. I doubt seriously that anyone really gets tested in the GP's...or certainly not to the frequency US riders are. You can also bet that if there was found to be an infraction of the doping rule with someone in GP competition, the punishment would be nowhere near the severity that has been dropped on US riders. Maybe I'm wrong, but you sure don't hear about it like you do here.
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omalley wrote:
The quickest way to solve this would be for the teams to say in October or November that they aren’t showing up to Anaheim 1 unless...
The quickest way to solve this would be for the teams to say in October or November that they aren’t showing up to Anaheim 1 unless WADA is out and/or completely revamped.
No teams=no show
No show=no fans
No fans=no $$$.
Then teams don't get paid by sponsors
Mechanics don't get paid
in-shop techs don't get paid
Managers don't get paid
Riders don't get paid
Truck drivers don't get paid
Product reps don't get paid
Workers at the races don't get paid
Rents on facilities don't get paid (breach of contract)


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