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kwebster447 6/4/2019 3:04pm
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ML512 wrote:
I'm right there with you, I thought for sure it was a finger follower design...
kwebster447 wrote:
Any news on rumored electric start for yz250/300x?
Hudd_421 wrote:
Where do people come up with these rumors?? Every year I hear people say "rumor has it so and so is coming out with a new...
Where do people come up with these rumors?? Every year I hear people say "rumor has it so and so is coming out with a new two stroke or flux capacitor 300". WHAT SOURCES ARE THERE????

Unless Keefer or someone in the know actually drops a hint on a public channel, I don't know how or who comes up with these.
I thought it was strongly hinted at by Yamaha people (TP?) on the pulp show. Maybe I’m misremembering? Just a question.
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daemon616 wrote:
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I miss those handlebar billboards. I always think it's cool when some of the teams do something different. Like when MCR used white plastic on the Hondas, or McGrath's white/blue Peak Hondas, etc.
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Harry Backmon wrote:
Looks like Porkulus lost some weight. 245 wet weight. Anyone know how that compares to the 2019?
sure, it's almost 1/8 of a ton, but it feels lighter in the air....


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mattyhamz2 wrote:
If you need an e-start on your 2 stroke, it's probably time to hang up the boots...
clearly you don't ride the gnarly stuff
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
If you need an e-start on your 2 stroke, it's probably time to hang up the boots...
MelonFan123 wrote:
clearly you don't ride the gnarly stuff
LanghamMX, Friday10 and a few others can vouch for the gnarly stuff I ride when I do ride off road. Ridden 2 strokes up there more than I have 4 strokes
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sam hain wrote:
Not everyone cares about a button, I have a '19 300XC and I love it but I'm just saying some people don't care about the hydro...
Not everyone cares about a button, I have a '19 300XC and I love it but I'm just saying some people don't care about the hydro clutch, elec starter and all the extras other brands have. I want a 250X bad as a 2nd bike its just not in the budget for me right now.
Trust me, I know that because I was one of them. E-start was not the deciding factor by a long shot. Though being a shorter rider and ride some pretty tight, technical stuff it sure is nice to have now that ive experienced it. It was more so the fact that Id rather give my money to a company that actually invested and put R&D into making their bikes better.
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I would have considered a yz300x with electric start but it doesn't exist and I doubt it ever will. In the meantime, my 2019 300xc is a fantastic bike. Yamaha is definitely losing sales to KTM but I don't think its enough to cause them to redevelop the yz, its small potato's to a company like yamaha. There are enough guys who will buy a new yz because its cheaper/they bleed blue/whatever Yamaha will just stay the course.
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Oh well..not too worried about no updates to the 2 strokes..gonna buy a new yz 125..will hunt around for the cheapest deal..probably end up with a 17 or 18 sitting on a dealer floor somewhere..
Wanna buy a new yz 250f too..dunno if i will find a leftover 19 though..theyve been selling well..so if I do get a 20 model..think Ill go with the grey one for something different
I like the idea of having one of those new 450's ...but Im a really shit 450 rider..they're just not that much fun for a midget like me..
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I have been hoping since the "2015" upgrade they would at least change the tank and radiator shrouds, Am i the only one that thinks bubbling tank details are so 90's.

I bought a 19 YZ 250 and fitted the RTech Revolution kit. Never looked back.
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#434 wrote:
I suppose the 450 gets the new finger follower head as seen on the spy pics from Japan.
Are there more changes for 2020??
Nope, just a smaller profile bucket head with steeper valve angles
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I have been hoping since the "2015" upgrade they would at least change the tank and radiator shrouds, Am i the only one that thinks bubbling...
I have been hoping since the "2015" upgrade they would at least change the tank and radiator shrouds, Am i the only one that thinks bubbling tank details are so 90's.

I bought a 19 YZ 250 and fitted the RTech Revolution kit. Never looked back.
Props fella! That’s one of the best looking Yamahas I’ve seen in the last few years.
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#434 wrote:
I suppose the 450 gets the new finger follower head as seen on the spy pics from Japan.
Are there more changes for 2020??
Spudnut wrote:
Nope, just a smaller profile bucket head with steeper valve angles
Shame on me! I was 100% convinced that the new head would mimic the KX450's head..

Are there pics of the interior of the new head??
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SoCalMX70 wrote:
Looks like I keep my 2016 YZ for at least another year.
yak651 wrote:
Great news, my excellent condition 2006 YZ125 is still worth $2000-$2500!!
Nope, you'll need a kick stand and an 18" rear wheel to get that price now.Wink
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
If you need an e-start on your 2 stroke, it's probably time to hang up the boots...
MelonFan123 wrote:
clearly you don't ride the gnarly stuff
mattyhamz2 wrote:
LanghamMX, Friday10 and a few others can vouch for the gnarly stuff I ride when I do ride off road. Ridden 2 strokes up there more...
LanghamMX, Friday10 and a few others can vouch for the gnarly stuff I ride when I do ride off road. Ridden 2 strokes up there more than I have 4 strokes
If you don't think E-start would help, I don't think you're riding gnarly enough stuff chief. . .

I swear if I have to kick my damn bike with my left foot on a steep ass hill one more time I'm gonna become a KTM rider, and we both don't want that.Laughing
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mattyhamz2 6/5/2019 7:33am
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MelonFan123 wrote:
clearly you don't ride the gnarly stuff
mattyhamz2 wrote:
LanghamMX, Friday10 and a few others can vouch for the gnarly stuff I ride when I do ride off road. Ridden 2 strokes up there more...
LanghamMX, Friday10 and a few others can vouch for the gnarly stuff I ride when I do ride off road. Ridden 2 strokes up there more than I have 4 strokes
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If you don't think E-start would help, I don't think you're riding gnarly enough stuff chief. . . I swear if I have to kick my...
If you don't think E-start would help, I don't think you're riding gnarly enough stuff chief. . .

I swear if I have to kick my damn bike with my left foot on a steep ass hill one more time I'm gonna become a KTM rider, and we both don't want that.Laughing
Lol I don’t mind starting my bike with my left leg. Did it on my 450’s also. But I have long legs so that probably helps me a bit 😂
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
If you need an e-start on your 2 stroke, it's probably time to hang up the boots...
Spoken like someone who has not put time on one. Come out and run my single track....You'd be singing a different tune after the second lap..
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mattyhamz2 6/5/2019 9:41am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
If you need an e-start on your 2 stroke, it's probably time to hang up the boots...
BobPA wrote:
Spoken like someone who has not put time on one. Come out and run my single track....You'd be singing a different tune after the second lap..
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a lot of super tight single track when I ride off road, and have since I was 6 on both 2 and 4 strokes. It's not a big deal for me to kick my bike, especially if it's a 2 stroke.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose. E start on any bike just isn't a big deal to me. It's not something I need or even want at this point.
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If I was a woods guy I would prefer kick start or at least still have a kick start option. What the hell do you do if you battery or starter fails a few miles into the woods?
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
If you need an e-start on your 2 stroke, it's probably time to hang up the boots...
BobPA wrote:
Spoken like someone who has not put time on one. Come out and run my single track....You'd be singing a different tune after the second lap..
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a...
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a lot of super tight single track when I ride off road, and have since I was 6 on both 2 and 4 strokes. It's not a big deal for me to kick my bike, especially if it's a 2 stroke.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose. E start on any bike just isn't a big deal to me. It's not something I need or even want at this point.
It’s not a need for you but it’s a need for lots of us. I ride a lot of the extreme enduro terrain, not “single track.” Go ask Graham Jarvis, Jonny Walker, Cody Webb, Manny Lettinbichler, etc if they would ever even attempt an extreme race on a non 300, non electric start.

The thing with the 300s is they have a HUGE following. I’m talking from your weekend 60 year old dude who just likes to hit the trails to the most extreme riders out there. The vast majority of them will tell you they want or need electric start. I can guarantee you that.
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fourfourone wrote:
If I was a woods guy I would prefer kick start or at least still have a kick start option. What the hell do you do...
If I was a woods guy I would prefer kick start or at least still have a kick start option. What the hell do you do if you battery or starter fails a few miles into the woods?
I don’t think many will disagree we still want a kick start option. I have a 2017 Husky 300 and it has both. Which is ideal in my opinion.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
If you need an e-start on your 2 stroke, it's probably time to hang up the boots...
BobPA wrote:
Spoken like someone who has not put time on one. Come out and run my single track....You'd be singing a different tune after the second lap..
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a...
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a lot of super tight single track when I ride off road, and have since I was 6 on both 2 and 4 strokes. It's not a big deal for me to kick my bike, especially if it's a 2 stroke.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose. E start on any bike just isn't a big deal to me. It's not something I need or even want at this point.
you do realise that E startg for a two stroke is not because its hard to kick start, right?

if you race and every seconds count the e start is your best friend. you easily loose 2 seconds just by pulling out/in the kickstarter
mattyhamz2 6/5/2019 11:00am
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BobPA wrote:
Spoken like someone who has not put time on one. Come out and run my single track....You'd be singing a different tune after the second lap..
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a...
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a lot of super tight single track when I ride off road, and have since I was 6 on both 2 and 4 strokes. It's not a big deal for me to kick my bike, especially if it's a 2 stroke.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose. E start on any bike just isn't a big deal to me. It's not something I need or even want at this point.
Hrzk75 wrote:
you do realise that E startg for a two stroke is not because its hard to kick start, right? if you race and every seconds count...
you do realise that E startg for a two stroke is not because its hard to kick start, right?

if you race and every seconds count the e start is your best friend. you easily loose 2 seconds just by pulling out/in the kickstarter
Yes I do realize that.

And having raced for the majority of my life, I understand each second counts. 2 seconds to pull out the kickstarter and push it back in? Less than a second to pull it out and kick the damn thing back in as you start moving. Better yet though, don't make the mistake of falling or stalling in the middle of the race.
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BobPA wrote:
Spoken like someone who has not put time on one. Come out and run my single track....You'd be singing a different tune after the second lap..
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a...
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a lot of super tight single track when I ride off road, and have since I was 6 on both 2 and 4 strokes. It's not a big deal for me to kick my bike, especially if it's a 2 stroke.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose. E start on any bike just isn't a big deal to me. It's not something I need or even want at this point.
agn5009 wrote:
It’s not a need for you but it’s a need for lots of us. I ride a lot of the extreme enduro terrain, not “single track.”...
It’s not a need for you but it’s a need for lots of us. I ride a lot of the extreme enduro terrain, not “single track.” Go ask Graham Jarvis, Jonny Walker, Cody Webb, Manny Lettinbichler, etc if they would ever even attempt an extreme race on a non 300, non electric start.

The thing with the 300s is they have a HUGE following. I’m talking from your weekend 60 year old dude who just likes to hit the trails to the most extreme riders out there. The vast majority of them will tell you they want or need electric start. I can guarantee you that.
Jarvis loves his 250 4 stroke.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a...
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a lot of super tight single track when I ride off road, and have since I was 6 on both 2 and 4 strokes. It's not a big deal for me to kick my bike, especially if it's a 2 stroke.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose. E start on any bike just isn't a big deal to me. It's not something I need or even want at this point.
Hrzk75 wrote:
you do realise that E startg for a two stroke is not because its hard to kick start, right? if you race and every seconds count...
you do realise that E startg for a two stroke is not because its hard to kick start, right?

if you race and every seconds count the e start is your best friend. you easily loose 2 seconds just by pulling out/in the kickstarter
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Yes I do realize that. And having raced for the majority of my life, I understand each second counts. 2 seconds to pull out the kickstarter...
Yes I do realize that.

And having raced for the majority of my life, I understand each second counts. 2 seconds to pull out the kickstarter and push it back in? Less than a second to pull it out and kick the damn thing back in as you start moving. Better yet though, don't make the mistake of falling or stalling in the middle of the race.
if only everyone was as good as you Smile
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mattyhamz2 6/5/2019 11:08am
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Hrzk75 wrote:
you do realise that E startg for a two stroke is not because its hard to kick start, right? if you race and every seconds count...
you do realise that E startg for a two stroke is not because its hard to kick start, right?

if you race and every seconds count the e start is your best friend. you easily loose 2 seconds just by pulling out/in the kickstarter
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Yes I do realize that. And having raced for the majority of my life, I understand each second counts. 2 seconds to pull out the kickstarter...
Yes I do realize that.

And having raced for the majority of my life, I understand each second counts. 2 seconds to pull out the kickstarter and push it back in? Less than a second to pull it out and kick the damn thing back in as you start moving. Better yet though, don't make the mistake of falling or stalling in the middle of the race.
Hrzk75 wrote:
if only everyone was as good as you Smile
I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else or even that good. I'm just saying, from experience, there are ways of doing it without losing 2 or more seconds from pulling out the kickstarter and pushing it back in.

Funny though, this conversation wouldn't even be happening if no one had ever put e-start on an off road bike
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BobPA wrote:
Spoken like someone who has not put time on one. Come out and run my single track....You'd be singing a different tune after the second lap..
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a...
I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier, because it obviously is. But is it all that necessary on a 2 stroke? Absolutely not. I ride a lot of super tight single track when I ride off road, and have since I was 6 on both 2 and 4 strokes. It's not a big deal for me to kick my bike, especially if it's a 2 stroke.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose. E start on any bike just isn't a big deal to me. It's not something I need or even want at this point.
Hrzk75 wrote:
you do realise that E startg for a two stroke is not because its hard to kick start, right? if you race and every seconds count...
you do realise that E startg for a two stroke is not because its hard to kick start, right?

if you race and every seconds count the e start is your best friend. you easily loose 2 seconds just by pulling out/in the kickstarter
I have seen plenty of four strokes flame out in a corner and then have a hell of a time starting again with e-start. Its not some magical fairy dust button that solves all these problems.
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I have seen plenty of four strokes flame out in a corner and then have a hell of a time starting again with e-start. Its not...
I have seen plenty of four strokes flame out in a corner and then have a hell of a time starting again with e-start. Its not some magical fairy dust button that solves all these problems.
Apples to oranges comparison there bud.
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So new lighter weight is still same as old one, ok.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Yes I do realize that. And having raced for the majority of my life, I understand each second counts. 2 seconds to pull out the kickstarter...
Yes I do realize that.

And having raced for the majority of my life, I understand each second counts. 2 seconds to pull out the kickstarter and push it back in? Less than a second to pull it out and kick the damn thing back in as you start moving. Better yet though, don't make the mistake of falling or stalling in the middle of the race.
Hrzk75 wrote:
if only everyone was as good as you Smile
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else or even that good. I'm just saying, from experience, there are ways of doing it without losing 2...
I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else or even that good. I'm just saying, from experience, there are ways of doing it without losing 2 or more seconds from pulling out the kickstarter and pushing it back in.

Funny though, this conversation wouldn't even be happening if no one had ever put e-start on an off road bike
I'm saying it. I'm da bomb bitches.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else or even that good. I'm just saying, from experience, there are ways of doing it without losing 2...
I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else or even that good. I'm just saying, from experience, there are ways of doing it without losing 2 or more seconds from pulling out the kickstarter and pushing it back in.

Funny though, this conversation wouldn't even be happening if no one had ever put e-start on an off road bike
Going off the bike list in your sig I assume you have never owned an e-start bike.

Once you have one, you'll see. It's a game changer. I'll never buy another new or newer kick start bike (cheap, older used bikes are a different story).

Your point about hanging up the boots if you want e-start is just stupid. In my truck I don't have roll-up windows nor do I have to put a key into a hole to open the door - I simply push a button. Why? Because we can and the technology is easily there.

When you're huffing and puffing on the side of a hill after your 3rd go at a gnarly and technical climb, 3+ hours in to a ride, then you'll know why e-start is the tits - even on 2 strokes.
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