Future Rule Change for Rejoining the Track

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If you call that cheating then we need some serious work on the starting gate situation. Everybody who has ever done a start knows that all gates are not equal. While we are at it, we might as well start putting everybody on the same bike with the same motor and suspension and gearing. Maybe we should just say F' it and disqualify anybody who goes off the track for any reason. If you cannot see how ridiculous these statements are then well I have no words. The rule is about as good as it can be just the way it is. It is safe and effective. Let them race and work out their own situations and just be happy that you can that you can watch them race and be a part of it all. All this complaining is about to drive me up the wall.
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What if the rider didn't make a mistake but was pushed off by another rider. Should he just hold his line and get taken out? Should he be penalized or have to backtrack to the point of exit. It's all perspective. If your favorite rider is the one pushed off the track...he should be allowing to re-enter and carry on. If it's not one of your favorites...no breaks...penalize his butt.

I'll settle for the race refs judgement on this one.
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Wouldn't the most logical thing to do just be keep the current rule and add spaces between the banners every 20 metres (60 feet).

Then the rule is, exit the track, you must re-enter in the first available space unless there is prohibitive danger in which case you wait or go the next.

Fail to do that, ie, cut a large portion of track and a time penalty is assessed by video (ie, average time of a section by video) and any time assessed will impact positions if it does by the final finish timing.
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Rhody 6/4/2019 7:46pm
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Obviously I was trolling with that post. Not my normal MO. I didn't say you went to far, you just went political.
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whateversclever69 wrote:
Put lava moats on the side of the track. Problem solved.
That's some OG Mario Bros shit right there. Observer of facts is the new ama prez
Jordan421 6/4/2019 8:03pm
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Sports over the years should always improve on just not the safety of the sport, but also on the rules and how things are run. Someone already shoveled this stupid issue in another form, off setting banners like every 20 ft. There needs to be a gap not only for riders to reenter incase of an mistake, but also for track workers and medics to access the track easy.
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Jordan421 6/4/2019 8:05pm
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whateversclever69 wrote:
Put lava moats on the side of the track. Problem solved.
Jerkolantern wrote:
That's some OG Mario Bros shit right there. Observer of facts is the new ama prez
The problem is tho that in real life, you dont jump 10 feet in the air when you hit love lmao
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The penalty shall be a simple stop and go slap from DV for every yard of track not traversed.
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Crush wrote:
Wouldn't the most logical thing to do just be keep the current rule and add spaces between the banners every 20 metres (60 feet). Then the...
Wouldn't the most logical thing to do just be keep the current rule and add spaces between the banners every 20 metres (60 feet).

Then the rule is, exit the track, you must re-enter in the first available space unless there is prohibitive danger in which case you wait or go the next.

Fail to do that, ie, cut a large portion of track and a time penalty is assessed by video (ie, average time of a section by video) and any time assessed will impact positions if it does by the final finish timing.
With some thought, they could make spaces in between the banners at only the safest spots to renter. I think Adam entering at the top of that jump was much safer than riding below and possibly being in a blind spot for a jumping rider.
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He missed a huge chunk of track and hopped banners anyway to get back on. Tough situation to be in. Not blaming AC one bit for...
He missed a huge chunk of track and hopped banners anyway to get back on. Tough situation to be in. Not blaming AC one bit for doing what he did in the moment. But there has to be more consequence for going off the track than getting to choose your own time it cost you. They should at least dock the amount of time he was off the track to the time he re-entered it to the final results.
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And when Cooper Webb forced Moosecan off the track at the Houston SX? Mooscan should have been penalized??? So by your rule, if I'm Adam Enticknapp...
And when Cooper Webb forced Moosecan off the track at the Houston SX? Mooscan should have been penalized???

So by your rule, if I'm Adam Enticknapp and I cross rut and go off the track and get stuck in thick mud and stall the bike. Can't start it for 30 seconds because it's a Suzuki with a kicker and I'm exhausted because its 25 minutes into Moto 2 during August...... I should be penalized 45 seconds? Bwhahaha!!!!

If someone forces you off that is different. If you make a mistake all by yourself and go off, then the clock starts ticking. Like any other penalty it would need to be reviewed if the rider was forced off the track or not.

If you go off the track and get stuck for 30 seconds well you are fucked anyway and maybe in that case they let the time penalty slide. Maybe they can make a stuck in the mud my legs are to fucking tired I ride a damn Suzuki clause Laughing
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So if the rule stays as it is, if there was a mudder with a real tricky bit of track, all the riders could 'make a mistak' and miss that part of the track, if they all just maintain the gaps...

OP is correct and should be a penalty in place. AC made a huge mistake, and it didn't cost him any time..? How does that work??

If I'm AC and don't like a rutty section ima 'make a mistake and maintain my gap' every lap LOL
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downard254 6/5/2019 4:34am
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Just put massive rollers and braking bumps everywhere outside the track markers. Make it faster and easier to ride on the track.
Just trying to think outside the box......er........I mean outside the banners. Tongue
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TXDirt 6/5/2019 4:38am
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I like that you can make a huge mistake and go off the track and re-enter race as if it never happened. Not losing so much as a second of time.
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Mx4life320 6/5/2019 4:43am
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Get rid of the banners and MX riders would be able to reenter a lot easier. Boom problem solved
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I have not read every response in this and other threads about the "incident" but what I have scanned through most don't realize that what what they want to change the rule to is what the rule used to be. One only needs to go back to the Toronto race where Stewart tried to re-enter the track where he left it and pretty much ruined the season for Travis Preston....so let's just forgo safety...to please a few Vitards that either don't know what the rule is or don't understand (or comprehend) why the rule is what it is...
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DonM 6/5/2019 5:28am
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And to further expand...they need to make it easier to re-enter by having specific re-enter spots around the track that are clearly marked and easy to spot that may have some type of S turn built in that will allow for the "time penalty" that some of you want and but still have the safety in re-entering the track....but then again I think most of you would rather bitch about the issue than try to creatively solve the problem....
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Crush wrote:
Wouldn't the most logical thing to do just be keep the current rule and add spaces between the banners every 20 metres (60 feet). Then the...
Wouldn't the most logical thing to do just be keep the current rule and add spaces between the banners every 20 metres (60 feet).

Then the rule is, exit the track, you must re-enter in the first available space unless there is prohibitive danger in which case you wait or go the next.

Fail to do that, ie, cut a large portion of track and a time penalty is assessed by video (ie, average time of a section by video) and any time assessed will impact positions if it does by the final finish timing.
C'mon don't go bringing common sense into this!
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GangGreen 6/5/2019 6:20am
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The existing rule is fine, safe and effective. Turning around to attempt to enter where you left the track would be very dangerous. An easy solution, like stated above, would be to have a few more openings in the banners. Why would we expect to see a change though, they've kept the ridiculous supplemental "Double-Displacement Rule" in Professional Racing for at least 10 years too long.



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Ranman68 6/5/2019 7:03am
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OT wrote:
So if the rule stays as it is, if there was a mudder with a real tricky bit of track, all the riders could 'make a...
So if the rule stays as it is, if there was a mudder with a real tricky bit of track, all the riders could 'make a mistak' and miss that part of the track, if they all just maintain the gaps...

OP is correct and should be a penalty in place. AC made a huge mistake, and it didn't cost him any time..? How does that work??

If I'm AC and don't like a rutty section ima 'make a mistake and maintain my gap' every lap LOL
AC raced balls out for 35 minutes. ONE TIME during that, he landed off track by a few inches. Afterwards, he used his head, re- entered safely, and voluntarily did the right thing letting Cooper get his gap back before getting on the gas.
If I'm reading your post right, you're saying that accidentally landing 4-5 inches to the side of the track was a "huge" mistake? Seriously? It also sounds like your suggesting AC intentionally accidentally made this huge mistake simply because he didn't like a rutty section. But obviously it was just on one lap, and unless the rule is changed, this ludicrous thing you suggest could become an every lap occurrence by AC. Is this what you're saying?
When have you ever seen any rider accidentally run off the track twice in the same spot in the same moto? Or intentionally accidentally run off the track twice in the same spot in the same moto? What is your basis for implying that AC would ever do that on purpose just once, let alone every lap? I can't wrap my head around your comment. Is it satire?
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6/5/2019 7:13am Edited Date/Time 6/5/2019 7:16am
I think what you proposed is fair as a future rule. Going outside the track should lose time. We saw too many times riders "profiting" from the current rule, mainly in sx, and it is not "fair" for the other riders on the track.

In addition there should be a rule where like in the F1 pitlane the bike needs to be ridden very slowly (at walking man speed) before re entering the track again (which would be safer for the track crew and everyone near the track - not pinning it until the next track entry going 30mph, on a surface like ice, at 1 meter from track crew and photographs).


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uneasy_rider 6/5/2019 7:29am
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My take on this whole AC/Justin Cooper fiasco: Yes AC rejoined the track at the easiest place, pulled out right next to Cooper, and then slowed...
My take on this whole AC/Justin Cooper fiasco:

Yes AC rejoined the track at the easiest place, pulled out right next to Cooper, and then slowed down to try an maintain what he “believed” was the gap.

Now my issue lies with every occurrence there has been with riders that have exited the track in supercross or motocross, in that if you make a mistake and go off the track, you should have to re enter at the same point, or face a set time penalty. You see guys in supercross go off the side of the track, and then haul ass down the side and rejoin right behind the rider they were behind.

Any time you leave the track it’s a mistake. A mistake shouldn’t gain you time, nor should it maintain your gap. A mistake costs you time. Simplest fix is to enter where you went off, if you don’t, it’s a 5 or 10 second penalty at the end of the race, and you place accordingly to your time crossing the finish line.
Do we seriously need another GD thread about this dumb shit?
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uneasy_rider 6/5/2019 7:37am
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Man, I can't believe so many people are in love with letting them cheat. Boggles my mind. It's everything wrong with society today, no consequences for...
Man, I can't believe so many people are in love with letting them cheat. Boggles my mind. It's everything wrong with society today, no consequences for doing something wrong.
Man, I can`t believe how clueless and whiny people are trying to crucify a guy who made a mistake, went off the track, reentered in a safe spot, did not gain a position, even slowed down to give the guy in front of him about 10 damn bikes lengths, just so the aforementioned whiners wouldn't get their little panties all in a bunch, but they still did, and created 5 thousand threads about the same incident!
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OT wrote:
So if the rule stays as it is, if there was a mudder with a real tricky bit of track, all the riders could 'make a...
So if the rule stays as it is, if there was a mudder with a real tricky bit of track, all the riders could 'make a mistak' and miss that part of the track, if they all just maintain the gaps...

OP is correct and should be a penalty in place. AC made a huge mistake, and it didn't cost him any time..? How does that work??

If I'm AC and don't like a rutty section ima 'make a mistake and maintain my gap' every lap LOL
Ranman68 wrote:
AC raced balls out for 35 minutes. ONE TIME during that, he landed off track by a few inches. Afterwards, he used his head, re- entered...
AC raced balls out for 35 minutes. ONE TIME during that, he landed off track by a few inches. Afterwards, he used his head, re- entered safely, and voluntarily did the right thing letting Cooper get his gap back before getting on the gas.
If I'm reading your post right, you're saying that accidentally landing 4-5 inches to the side of the track was a "huge" mistake? Seriously? It also sounds like your suggesting AC intentionally accidentally made this huge mistake simply because he didn't like a rutty section. But obviously it was just on one lap, and unless the rule is changed, this ludicrous thing you suggest could become an every lap occurrence by AC. Is this what you're saying?
When have you ever seen any rider accidentally run off the track twice in the same spot in the same moto? Or intentionally accidentally run off the track twice in the same spot in the same moto? What is your basis for implying that AC would ever do that on purpose just once, let alone every lap? I can't wrap my head around your comment. Is it satire?
Don't think you understand my sarcasm.. I'm not impying he does it every lap nor impying he would :-) just having a joke and said if I (ME) was AC. I don't have time to read your whole reply but have a nice day brother
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OT wrote:
So if the rule stays as it is, if there was a mudder with a real tricky bit of track, all the riders could 'make a...
So if the rule stays as it is, if there was a mudder with a real tricky bit of track, all the riders could 'make a mistak' and miss that part of the track, if they all just maintain the gaps...

OP is correct and should be a penalty in place. AC made a huge mistake, and it didn't cost him any time..? How does that work??

If I'm AC and don't like a rutty section ima 'make a mistake and maintain my gap' every lap LOL
Ranman68 wrote:
AC raced balls out for 35 minutes. ONE TIME during that, he landed off track by a few inches. Afterwards, he used his head, re- entered...
AC raced balls out for 35 minutes. ONE TIME during that, he landed off track by a few inches. Afterwards, he used his head, re- entered safely, and voluntarily did the right thing letting Cooper get his gap back before getting on the gas.
If I'm reading your post right, you're saying that accidentally landing 4-5 inches to the side of the track was a "huge" mistake? Seriously? It also sounds like your suggesting AC intentionally accidentally made this huge mistake simply because he didn't like a rutty section. But obviously it was just on one lap, and unless the rule is changed, this ludicrous thing you suggest could become an every lap occurrence by AC. Is this what you're saying?
When have you ever seen any rider accidentally run off the track twice in the same spot in the same moto? Or intentionally accidentally run off the track twice in the same spot in the same moto? What is your basis for implying that AC would ever do that on purpose just once, let alone every lap? I can't wrap my head around your comment. Is it satire?
OT wrote:
Don't think you understand my sarcasm.. I'm not impying he does it every lap nor impying he would :-) just having a joke and said if...
Don't think you understand my sarcasm.. I'm not impying he does it every lap nor impying he would :-) just having a joke and said if I (ME) was AC. I don't have time to read your whole reply but have a nice day brother
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt by choosing to believe this.
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OT wrote:
So if the rule stays as it is, if there was a mudder with a real tricky bit of track, all the riders could 'make a...
So if the rule stays as it is, if there was a mudder with a real tricky bit of track, all the riders could 'make a mistak' and miss that part of the track, if they all just maintain the gaps...

OP is correct and should be a penalty in place. AC made a huge mistake, and it didn't cost him any time..? How does that work??

If I'm AC and don't like a rutty section ima 'make a mistake and maintain my gap' every lap LOL
Ranman68 wrote:
AC raced balls out for 35 minutes. ONE TIME during that, he landed off track by a few inches. Afterwards, he used his head, re- entered...
AC raced balls out for 35 minutes. ONE TIME during that, he landed off track by a few inches. Afterwards, he used his head, re- entered safely, and voluntarily did the right thing letting Cooper get his gap back before getting on the gas.
If I'm reading your post right, you're saying that accidentally landing 4-5 inches to the side of the track was a "huge" mistake? Seriously? It also sounds like your suggesting AC intentionally accidentally made this huge mistake simply because he didn't like a rutty section. But obviously it was just on one lap, and unless the rule is changed, this ludicrous thing you suggest could become an every lap occurrence by AC. Is this what you're saying?
When have you ever seen any rider accidentally run off the track twice in the same spot in the same moto? Or intentionally accidentally run off the track twice in the same spot in the same moto? What is your basis for implying that AC would ever do that on purpose just once, let alone every lap? I can't wrap my head around your comment. Is it satire?
OT wrote:
Don't think you understand my sarcasm.. I'm not impying he does it every lap nor impying he would :-) just having a joke and said if...
Don't think you understand my sarcasm.. I'm not impying he does it every lap nor impying he would :-) just having a joke and said if I (ME) was AC. I don't have time to read your whole reply but have a nice day brother
Strangely, you don't seem to understand what you were actually doing in your post. What you have done is present an argument that states an undesirable hypothetical that would be allowed under the current rule as a reason to change the rule ("Under the current rule riders could do this undesirable thing, therefore the rule is flawed"). The undesirable thing, of course, is cutting the track whenever there's a section they don't like. But this supposes that the officials are complete imbeciles incapable of exercising any semblance of reasonable discretion. If that's not plausible, then neither is your argument. On my view, if we let the officials do their job, there isn't a problem.
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I would be in favor of a time penalty in extreme cases, but only if the rider is stopped in the race. Ex. AMA official flags him over and the rider sits there for the penalty time. This way you aren't taking away wins after the fact or anything along those lines.

Lets set after the finish line AC is stopped for 7 seconds by an official and then is released for the rest of the race, and can continue his battle.
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uneasy_rider 6/5/2019 9:45am
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I like that you can make a huge mistake and go off the track and re-enter race as if it never happened. Not losing so much...
I like that you can make a huge mistake and go off the track and re-enter race as if it never happened. Not losing so much as a second of time.
You honestly think that there should be a penalty for making a mistake, like running off a track? I guarantee you would change your tune if you were in that position. You would be screaming how obsurd it is to penalize someone for something out of their control, as you should. I honestly think that some people`s moral compass is broke on here!
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SEEMEFIRST 6/5/2019 9:59am
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Just make the banners out of armco and add a couple of feet of height to them, and no one will leave the track.
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This is rarely an issue and doesn't warrant a rule change in my opinion.
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