PC has spots open next year, who’s in?

scott_nz 5/31/2019 10:44am
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A lot of talk on main event moto that PC and Star are attempting to poach a kid or 2 from other teams right at the...
A lot of talk on main event moto that PC and Star are attempting to poach a kid or 2 from other teams right at the transition from Am to pro? Have to assume they’re after some of the Geico guys, also wasn’t very clear if they’re going after amateurs or current pros i.e Smith. This will be his 3rd factory team, I cant see large improvements if he were to go to PC.
Geico have a heap of kids at the moment , be interesting to see who stays on the team
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hamncheeze 5/31/2019 11:05am
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Geico have a heap of kids at the moment , be interesting to see who stays on the team
RJ Hampshire deal to RS Husky is apparently done, both parties agreeing to terminate existing deal. This will free up one spot. For sure Sexton, Lawrence, and mostly likely Craig return, along with J-Mart if he is able to make a full recovery (hopeful). So that leaves one spot which I believe will be Shimoda? 5 riders is usually the max that Geico/FC Honda take racing.

If I was RS Husky or KTM, I'd take a chance on Cameron McAdoo for 2020. Your amateur kids like Bailey, Falk and Cantrell are not really hitting it out of the park. McAdoo seems to have turned a corner, and he's a very hard worker.
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scott_nz 5/31/2019 11:21am
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Geico have a heap of kids at the moment , be interesting to see who stays on the team
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RJ Hampshire deal to RS Husky is apparently done, both parties agreeing to terminate existing deal. This will free up one spot. For sure Sexton, Lawrence...
RJ Hampshire deal to RS Husky is apparently done, both parties agreeing to terminate existing deal. This will free up one spot. For sure Sexton, Lawrence, and mostly likely Craig return, along with J-Mart if he is able to make a full recovery (hopeful). So that leaves one spot which I believe will be Shimoda? 5 riders is usually the max that Geico/FC Honda take racing.

If I was RS Husky or KTM, I'd take a chance on Cameron McAdoo for 2020. Your amateur kids like Bailey, Falk and Cantrell are not really hitting it out of the park. McAdoo seems to have turned a corner, and he's a very hard worker.
were does that leave Jett Lawerence? will geico have 6 riders,

Craig may be the one looking for a ride,

alot of the teams have the same issue with the amateur kids not performing,
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MELTON139 5/31/2019 11:25am
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Forkner is going to KTM.....
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BroFoSho 5/31/2019 12:28pm
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were does that leave Jett Lawerence? will geico have 6 riders, Craig may be the one looking for a ride, alot of the teams have the...
were does that leave Jett Lawerence? will geico have 6 riders,

Craig may be the one looking for a ride,

alot of the teams have the same issue with the amateur kids not performing,
Doesn't Craig have connections at Geico Honda through marriage?

Not saying he isn't deserving of the spot, but I feel like as long as he wants to keep racing and is competitive they would give him a spot
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dadofagun 5/31/2019 12:32pm
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MELTON139 wrote:
Forkner is going to KTM.....
???!!!??? This news comes from where??
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dadofagun 5/31/2019 12:36pm
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scott_nz wrote:
were does that leave Jett Lawerence? will geico have 6 riders, Craig may be the one looking for a ride, alot of the teams have the...
were does that leave Jett Lawerence? will geico have 6 riders,

Craig may be the one looking for a ride,

alot of the teams have the same issue with the amateur kids not performing,
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Doesn't Craig have connections at Geico Honda through marriage? Not saying he isn't deserving of the spot, but I feel like as long as he wants...
Doesn't Craig have connections at Geico Honda through marriage?

Not saying he isn't deserving of the spot, but I feel like as long as he wants to keep racing and is competitive they would give him a spot
Craig isn't going anywhere. He will have a Honda, or whatever brand that team is on for as long as he wants.
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hamncheeze 5/31/2019 1:30pm
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MELTON139 wrote:
Forkner is going to KTM.....
dadofagun wrote:
???!!!??? This news comes from where??
This comes from BS. Forkner ain't going anywhere. Kawasaki has invested a lot in him since he was on 65cc, much like they did with Cianciarulo. No way he moves on from PC/Kawi to TLD KTM.

Regarding Jett Lawrence and Geico, he probably waits another year or maybe comes out at Hangtown? They do have a full house with Shimoda, Jett and Mumford all closing in on turning pro.
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mxb2 5/31/2019 1:44pm
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MELTON139 wrote:
Forkner is going to KTM.....
Nope
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Red Crawford 5/31/2019 1:55pm
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I had never heard about this.
Matthes needs to get in front of this story. 💯
Mitch would probably hop on the show and lay it all out..
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seventeen 5/31/2019 7:32pm
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mb60 wrote:
Did Mathes not say Justin Smith as one replacement. Forkner and Marchbanks and do they have a young rider coming up ?
Moto Obsessed wrote:
Pretty sure they said Jordon Smith, who is currently riding for TLD-KTM
Jordan Smith will be a solid add...I would like to see him at Star but I think they are full next year already...
Aussie_power_sports 5/31/2019 7:50pm
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Get Wilson todd cheap, He has good sx skills and is proving hes worth it in outdoors.
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Johnny Ringo 5/31/2019 8:47pm
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Aussie_power_sports wrote:
Get Wilson todd cheap, He has good sx skills and is proving hes worth it in outdoors.
He hasn’t been thaaaat good. Decent, not PC worthy IMO
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JB479 5/31/2019 10:29pm
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MELTON139 wrote:
Forkner is going to KTM.....
dadofagun wrote:
???!!!??? This news comes from where??
hamncheeze wrote:
This comes from BS. Forkner ain't going anywhere. Kawasaki has invested a lot in him since he was on 65cc, much like they did with Cianciarulo...
This comes from BS. Forkner ain't going anywhere. Kawasaki has invested a lot in him since he was on 65cc, much like they did with Cianciarulo. No way he moves on from PC/Kawi to TLD KTM.

Regarding Jett Lawrence and Geico, he probably waits another year or maybe comes out at Hangtown? They do have a full house with Shimoda, Jett and Mumford all closing in on turning pro.
Cant really see jett lawrence wanting to do that. He went 1-1 at the end of last year in emx250 then he has to wait 2 years to go pro in america? Hes to good for that. Keeping him racing amatuers is only going to hold him back. Id say he goes pro after lorretta’s with shimoda. Im with you but i dont know how geico will field a 6 rider team.
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devindavisphoto wrote:
I'd like to see Oldenburg race under the PC rig. He has all the tools to win a title, same goes for Colt Nichols.
You actually think that the pc bike is better than the star Yamaha?
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Red Crawford wrote:
I had never heard about this. Matthes needs to get in front of this story. 💯 Mitch would probably hop on the show and lay it...
I had never heard about this.
Matthes needs to get in front of this story. 💯
Mitch would probably hop on the show and lay it all out..
It’d be difficult to “get in front of” a story from 2013 in 2019.......!

😉
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haydos25 6/3/2019 8:28pm
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devindavisphoto wrote:
I'd like to see Oldenburg race under the PC rig. He has all the tools to win a title, same goes for Colt Nichols.
He's had all the tools for the last 2 years at Star with nothing to show for it. And before that at TLD. He's had his shots, and has shown speed at times, but that doesn't get the job done.


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Derek Harris 6/4/2019 10:06pm
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I’d like to see Mitch pick another diamond in the rough

It seemed he could find talent where others couldn’t back in the day. At that time I believe his bikes and more importantly program and staff made a huge difference

Now all the teams have good programs and staff

But being heavily involved in the amateur side of this sport myself - I can say the way we do things for the last 10 years is ruining the sport as well as not working at all for the teams.

Look at all the talent teams hedged bets on that didn’t pan out to title winners...when we could have spread the love to more amateurs and let them sort it out more evenly up to pro ranks
I can tell you that a team gig for an amateur nearly guarantees titles and podiums. The gap is huge

so I’ll list some guys who I believe would turn heads on a full solid year of a pc program

John short - quietly getting much better. He has a good program but it isn’t factory.
He is insanely fit. And a crazy hard worker.
Was a top amateur on a non factory effort his last year. Has had top 15 outdoor finishes as a privateer in 450 class
This year he clearly had a break through for sx and was really really good. I’ve seen him on practice day and worked with him some before, I believe he has much more in him

Zane Merret - he is currently a customer - And has exceeded expectation these first couple outdoors. Against factory kids - he was top ktm finisher at mini o with a 2nd and 3 o/a outdoors and has mixed it up there in qualifying ahead of factory guys this rookie outdoors. Fitness is a little bit of an issue - but only because he didn’t know exactly the right program until later this year. He has literally doubled his fitness in 2 months - and will continue that moving forward.
He works crazy hard - is built like a Pittbull and is durable. He has unrelenting drive and never quite attitude while riding - to his detriment at times
put him on a factory effort - he is immediately 5-7 spots better. Give him a solid year on that - I’d bet he goes up to a top 5-7 kid outdoors and another year after that we’d see if title material

Challen Tennant has the talent imho. But I think needs a separation from his grandfather for teams to work their magic. His gpa has done amazing things to get him where he is - and knows the kid best. But I think the pro ranks will take another approach. I don’t know if he had the mental or physical durability and I know he has had no shortage of opportunity with training to date.

But I do believe the talent is there

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devindavisphoto 6/5/2019 1:48am
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devindavisphoto wrote:
I'd like to see Oldenburg race under the PC rig. He has all the tools to win a title, same goes for Colt Nichols.
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You actually think that the pc bike is better than the star Yamaha?
It's the mindset more than anything. It's being under the PC rig with Mitch's guidance that's the key factor in that argument if you ask me. The bikes are very similar at this point.
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Crush 6/5/2019 2:41am
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devindavisphoto wrote:
I'd like to see Oldenburg race under the PC rig. He has all the tools to win a title, same goes for Colt Nichols.
slumpstone wrote:
You actually think that the pc bike is better than the star Yamaha?
devindavisphoto wrote:
It's the mindset more than anything. It's being under the PC rig with Mitch's guidance that's the key factor in that argument if you ask me...
It's the mindset more than anything. It's being under the PC rig with Mitch's guidance that's the key factor in that argument if you ask me. The bikes are very similar at this point.
PC is still PC and I love Mitch, but they're not the invincible force they once were at all and his mindset/guideance didn't get Forkner, AC, Pourcel, Bagget or Marty over the line, which are some notable champs they dropped in that time.

It'll be 6 maybe 7 (AC this year) out of 33 titles the last 10 years for PC vs 8 in the last 15 for Star since Yamaha introduced that bike and made a big push. 9 for Geico in 33 too.

2019
250W: Star Yamaha
250E: Geico Honda
Outdoors:

2018
250W: Star Yamaha
250E: Rockstar Husky
Outdoors: Star Yamaha

2017
250W: PC Kawi
250E: Rockstar Husky
Outdoors: Rockstar Husky

2016
250W: Star Yamaha
250E: Geico Honda
Outdoors: Star Yamaha

2015
250W: Star Yamaha
250E: RB KTM
Outdoors: Star Yamaha

2014
250W: Rockstar KTM
250E: Geico Honda
Outdoors: Star Yamaha

2013
250W: RB KTM
250E: Geico Honda
Outdoors: Geico Honda

2012
250W: Geico Honda
250E: Geico Honda
Outdoors: PC Kawi

2011
250W: PC Kawi
250E: Geico Honda
Outdoors: PC Kawi

2010
250W: PC Kawi
250E: PC Kawi
Outdoors: Geico Honda

2009
250W: Rockstar Suzuki
250E: PC Kawi
Outdoors: Rockstar Suzuki

What's hilarious to me is hearing the TLD riders aren't happy with their bikes. WTF. No one over there has a clue despite all that 450 and GP success?


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Derek Harris 6/6/2019 11:12am
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PC is still PC and I love Mitch, but they're not the invincible force they once were at all and his mindset/guideance didn't get Forkner, AC...
PC is still PC and I love Mitch, but they're not the invincible force they once were at all and his mindset/guideance didn't get Forkner, AC, Pourcel, Bagget or Marty over the line, which are some notable champs they dropped in that time.

It'll be 6 maybe 7 (AC this year) out of 33 titles the last 10 years for PC vs 8 in the last 15 for Star since Yamaha introduced that bike and made a big push. 9 for Geico in 33 too.

2019
250W: Star Yamaha
250E: Geico Honda
Outdoors:

2018
250W: Star Yamaha
250E: Rockstar Husky
Outdoors: Star Yamaha

2017
250W: PC Kawi
250E: Rockstar Husky
Outdoors: Rockstar Husky

2016
250W: Star Yamaha
250E: Geico Honda
Outdoors: Star Yamaha

2015
250W: Star Yamaha
250E: RB KTM
Outdoors: Star Yamaha

2014
250W: Rockstar KTM
250E: Geico Honda
Outdoors: Star Yamaha

2013
250W: RB KTM
250E: Geico Honda
Outdoors: Geico Honda

2012
250W: Geico Honda
250E: Geico Honda
Outdoors: PC Kawi

2011
250W: PC Kawi
250E: Geico Honda
Outdoors: PC Kawi

2010
250W: PC Kawi
250E: PC Kawi
Outdoors: Geico Honda

2009
250W: Rockstar Suzuki
250E: PC Kawi
Outdoors: Rockstar Suzuki

What's hilarious to me is hearing the TLD riders aren't happy with their bikes. WTF. No one over there has a clue despite all that 450 and GP success?


Yeah I think that's funny too.

It's a "feeling" or vibe that gets within a team and doesn't leave....that only winning can solve - not a bike change.

IMHO - the KTM is the best base package for a privateer BY FAR and knowing what I know from some customers abroad - factory KTM has a lot of cool goodies that work well

Whatever they are unhappy with - I DON'T feel is solved by going to a different color bike for the riders.

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youguyshavntaclue 6/6/2019 3:25pm
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Who is PC/Team Greens next up and comers? Maybe they bring up the next batch! Can’t teach these old dogs new tricks! (Oldenburg,Smith,Mcelrath)
devindavisphoto 6/6/2019 10:56pm
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Who is PC/Team Greens next up and comers? Maybe they bring up the next batch! Can’t teach these old dogs new tricks! (Oldenburg,Smith,Mcelrath)
Jett Reynolds, Stilez Robertson, Seth Hammaker, Ryder DiFrancesco, Nick Romano, and others I can't think of off the top of my head. PC has some great talent coming up in the next decade.
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4DAIVIPAI2K5 6/7/2019 4:18am
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youguyshavntaclue wrote:
Who is PC/Team Greens next up and comers? Maybe they bring up the next batch! Can’t teach these old dogs new tricks! (Oldenburg,Smith,Mcelrath)
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Jett Reynolds, Stilez Robertson, Seth Hammaker, Ryder DiFrancesco, Nick Romano, and others I can't think of off the top of my head. PC has some great...
Jett Reynolds, Stilez Robertson, Seth Hammaker, Ryder DiFrancesco, Nick Romano, and others I can't think of off the top of my head. PC has some great talent coming up in the next decade.
Romano is on husky now I think.
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devindavisphoto wrote:
I'd like to see Oldenburg race under the PC rig. He has all the tools to win a title, same goes for Colt Nichols.
slumpstone wrote:
You actually think that the pc bike is better than the star Yamaha?
This year it is actually on par (or slightly better).

IMO they had 2 sx titles in the bag with 2 rounds left, taking like 80% of holeshots, even with AC who must weight 10kg more than many in the 250 class. PC is competitive this year !
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4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:
Romano is on husky now I think.
Yes he is. He was at Walden on Sat rippin .
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hamncheeze 6/7/2019 10:28am
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So if we go by the rumour mill it seems as though a lot of 250 vets will be changing teams:

Hampshire to RS Husky
Smith to PC Kawi
McElrath to Star Yamaha

These guys are all roughly the same age and experience, it will be interesting to see if any of these moves will result in the rider taking the next step to championship status. I could easily see the younger group of Forkner/Sexton/Cooper mopping up all of the titles in 2020....and then the above 3 are on their way to Davalos status.
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mb60 6/7/2019 11:42am
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Who is Mc Elrath replacing at Starr ? They have Cooper,Dylan,Masterpool and Nichols right ? I thought Oldenburg was the only one not signed.
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hamncheeze 6/7/2019 12:03pm
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mb60 wrote:
Who is Mc Elrath replacing at Starr ? They have Cooper,Dylan,Masterpool and Nichols right ? I thought Oldenburg was the only one not signed.
This was discussed on this week's Pulp MX Show with ML512. I was surprised but I guess they will go with 5 riders next year and McElrath replaces Freckle? Not sure if this rumour is 100% like the RJ to Husky.
devindavisphoto 6/9/2019 9:33am
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4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:
Romano is on husky now I think.
Huckster wrote:
Yes he is. He was at Walden on Sat rippin .
Interesting. I don't really follow amateur racing anymore so my b.

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