Justin Cooper podium interview

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6/1/2019 4:06pm
whammy wrote:
How is it not 'gaining an advantage' when you're accelerating on the side of the track going race pace until you get back on?
Because he waited up enough to where he was further behind Cooper than before he went off...
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6/1/2019 4:08pm
NateDawg wrote:
He was right on the rear wheel of Cooper before the mistake and then gave him an 8-12 bike length lead when he got back on...
He was right on the rear wheel of Cooper before the mistake and then gave him an 8-12 bike length lead when he got back on the track. You have no argument.
I’ll just leave these here. Have a good rest of the night pulling your foot out of your mouth.





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whammy wrote:
How is it not 'gaining an advantage' when you're accelerating on the side of the track going race pace until you get back on?
That's part of the issue for me. They make a mistake and go off track. They don't lose any time because of it. In a theoretical world where those banners didn't start for another 20 feet after he went off, he'd have re-entered there and lost momentum for the entire rollers section. If his mistake kicked him left toward the middle of the track instead of to the right and off of it, he loses a ton more time. The mistake shouldn't be nullified just because it took you off the track.
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6/1/2019 4:11pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2019 4:48pm
NateDawg wrote:
He was right on the rear wheel of Cooper before the mistake and then gave him an 8-12 bike length lead when he got back on...
He was right on the rear wheel of Cooper before the mistake and then gave him an 8-12 bike length lead when he got back on the track. You have no argument.
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I’ll just leave these here. Have a good rest of the night pulling your foot out of your mouth. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351631/s1200_E0BBF79F_9062_493B_843E_AC904313E895.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351632/s1200_6500D10E_9CDA_4549_8EC3_B3283C8FFD02.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351634/s1200_96FB14AF_0F9B_4634_BC62_7CFFFCFE05B5.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351633/s1200_C13C0501_AA3D_4205_AE89_F3D880BF6F31.jpg[/img]
I’ll just leave these here. Have a good rest of the night pulling your foot out of your mouth.





That was before he waited up... Are you being purposefully dense right now??
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The pic above literally shows him ON THE TRACK ahead of the guy he was behind....

Even if he waited after he was on the track it doesn't matter. An advantage was gained when he entered the track.
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6/1/2019 4:13pm
NateDawg wrote:
That was before he waited up... Are you being purposefully dense right now??
See whammy’s response above.
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6/1/2019 4:13pm
(I posted this in the wrong thread earlier but...)

The rule, like all rules, isn't perfect but it's easy to interpret for a rider in the instant. It won't always be 100% fair, which is regrettable, but you also don't want a situation where a rider is rushing to cut back onto the track dangerously because they're worried about being penalised. If the rider is clearly trying to act in good faith to the rule and his competition; then it's a legit way to deal with a difficult situation in racing.

The moment you insist on the rider rejoining at the exact place they left the race track or to not gain advantage via not suffering a disadvantage etc, then you introduce urgency, which of course there is, but you don't want the rider in an urgent mindset at that moment. You want a rider in that situation to be thinking safety first and foremost - as to not end up in an even more dangerous situation e.g Preston/Stewart in SX a few yrs back - hence why it's written the way it is (imo).

So it isn't designed exclusively to be fair. It's designed to be safe and as fair as reasonably possibly.
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6/1/2019 4:14pm
Webb is really struggling. I figured he’d be closer to the podium than this. Especially since he got the holeshot.
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6/1/2019 4:18pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2019 12:29am
(I posted this in the wrong thread earlier but...) The rule, like all rules, isn't perfect but it's easy to interpret for a rider in the...
(I posted this in the wrong thread earlier but...)

The rule, like all rules, isn't perfect but it's easy to interpret for a rider in the instant. It won't always be 100% fair, which is regrettable, but you also don't want a situation where a rider is rushing to cut back onto the track dangerously because they're worried about being penalised. If the rider is clearly trying to act in good faith to the rule and his competition; then it's a legit way to deal with a difficult situation in racing.

The moment you insist on the rider rejoining at the exact place they left the race track or to not gain advantage via not suffering a disadvantage etc, then you introduce urgency, which of course there is, but you don't want the rider in an urgent mindset at that moment. You want a rider in that situation to be thinking safety first and foremost - as to not end up in an even more dangerous situation e.g Preston/Stewart in SX a few yrs back - hence why it's written the way it is (imo).

So it isn't designed exclusively to be fair. It's designed to be safe and as fair as reasonably possibly.
Yeah you quoted me on that one.

I get it. I do. But in no world should Rider A make a mistake and get kicked toward the middle of the track and lose 5 seconds and Rider B make the identical mistake but get kicked right and off the track and lose 0 time. I get the safety aspect. But there has to be a way to make this better. People argue there's no advantage gained, which is technically correct and incorrect at the same time. No advantage is gained relative to where they were prior to the mistake. However, there is an advantage gained because they make a mistake and don't lose any time. That's my thing. The advantage gained is that they nullified their mistake because it took them off the track.

Honestly, if I'm a rider and I make a mistake, I'm never going to try to keep it upright and on the track. If there's any sort of doubt in my mind at all, I'm ensuring I get off the track so my mistake will be irrelevant. I feel the same about Sexton's as I do AC's. They both made a big mistake and neither lost any time because both mistakes took them off the track instead of keeping them on it.
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6/1/2019 4:21pm
Once again a large portion of you prove that you have no business deciding anything about anyone ever.

Emotional bias is ugly on it's face but downright monstrous when coupled with blinding idiocy.

Congrats.
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6/1/2019 4:21pm
Premix wrote:
See whammy’s response above.
I did. He's wrong, and so are you.
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6/1/2019 4:23pm
NateDawg wrote:
He was right on the rear wheel of Cooper before the mistake and then gave him an 8-12 bike length lead when he got back on...
He was right on the rear wheel of Cooper before the mistake and then gave him an 8-12 bike length lead when he got back on the track. You have no argument.
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I’ll just leave these here. Have a good rest of the night pulling your foot out of your mouth. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351631/s1200_E0BBF79F_9062_493B_843E_AC904313E895.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351632/s1200_6500D10E_9CDA_4549_8EC3_B3283C8FFD02.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351634/s1200_96FB14AF_0F9B_4634_BC62_7CFFFCFE05B5.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351633/s1200_C13C0501_AA3D_4205_AE89_F3D880BF6F31.jpg[/img]
I’ll just leave these here. Have a good rest of the night pulling your foot out of your mouth.





You conveniently left off the part where he
lets off and gives Cooper the 8-12 bike lengths...
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I’ll just leave these here. Have a good rest of the night pulling your foot out of your mouth. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351631/s1200_E0BBF79F_9062_493B_843E_AC904313E895.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351632/s1200_6500D10E_9CDA_4549_8EC3_B3283C8FFD02.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351634/s1200_96FB14AF_0F9B_4634_BC62_7CFFFCFE05B5.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351633/s1200_C13C0501_AA3D_4205_AE89_F3D880BF6F31.jpg[/img]
I’ll just leave these here. Have a good rest of the night pulling your foot out of your mouth.





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6/1/2019 4:25pm
MXD wrote:
I lost a lot of respect for him after that. Win and lose like a man. Whether it’s fair or unfair should have no bearing on...
I lost a lot of respect for him after that. Win and lose like a man. Whether it’s fair or unfair should have no bearing on your reaction. Never mind that he threw it away anyway.
500guy wrote:
You don't think it would bother you to see a guy cut the track and be right back behind you? There needs to be some kind...
You don't think it would bother you to see a guy cut the track and be right back behind you?

There needs to be some kind of penalty for making a mistake that bad.
Now you want to give penalties for mistakes? Had the banners been five feet over, AC would have landed a bit funny but that's about it. He would not have lost that much time. AC did what was right and gained no advantage.
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6/1/2019 4:25pm
How dare 20 year old cooper get upset that 10 year 250 class golden boy made a big mistake yet somehow lost no time
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I did. He's wrong, and so are you.

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AC blew a Championship and owned it. Cooper blows a moto win and accuses others of cheating. What a tool. I'm rooting against him now.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351636/s1200_80B09F73_EABA_4028_A147_CFB88033B443.jpg[/img]

The only good post in this whole damn thread.
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6/1/2019 4:41pm
I think the only "advantage" AC gained was that it clearly flustered Justin Cooper.
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6/1/2019 4:42pm
See whammy’s response above
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6/1/2019 4:44pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2019 4:45pm
PTECH wrote:
I think the only "advantage" AC gained was that it clearly flustered Justin Cooper.
i agree he jumped onto the track right next to him probably throwing coopers mindset off a bit
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6/1/2019 4:46pm
Say what you want but coopers kind of a douche. He’s had plenty of cringe worthy interviews. AC is the definition of the people’s champ and I hope he kills it all season long.
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TDeath21 wrote:
Yeah you quoted me on that one. I get it. I do. But in no world should Rider A make a mistake and get kicked toward...
Yeah you quoted me on that one.

I get it. I do. But in no world should Rider A make a mistake and get kicked toward the middle of the track and lose 5 seconds and Rider B make the identical mistake but get kicked right and off the track and lose 0 time. I get the safety aspect. But there has to be a way to make this better. People argue there's no advantage gained, which is technically correct and incorrect at the same time. No advantage is gained relative to where they were prior to the mistake. However, there is an advantage gained because they make a mistake and don't lose any time. That's my thing. The advantage gained is that they nullified their mistake because it took them off the track.

Honestly, if I'm a rider and I make a mistake, I'm never going to try to keep it upright and on the track. If there's any sort of doubt in my mind at all, I'm ensuring I get off the track so my mistake will be irrelevant. I feel the same about Sexton's as I do AC's. They both made a big mistake and neither lost any time because both mistakes took them off the track instead of keeping them on it.
I totally get where you're coming from also. AC's choice only makes sense to me when viewed with the current rule in his head and likely mindset in the moment. If he could go back and redo it, and yet made the same choice, then I would definitely find that questionable... As it is I think he saw the banners, wasn't sure if could re-cross them, and instead instinctively just focused on the next best gap. He lets Cooper re-pass and thinks "Well, that's probably fair/good enough, back to the race". Again not an ideal situation, not a fair situation, but potentially better than a stock rule that might otherwise contribute to AC etc rushing back on track without the same amount of due care in the future. But again I do see where you're coming from, it does feel absurd that a rider can potentially not lose a significant (if any) amount of time for such a large mistake. I'm just really not sure what the solution is either
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6/1/2019 4:52pm
MXD wrote:
I lost a lot of respect for him after that. Win and lose like a man. Whether it’s fair or unfair should have no bearing on...
I lost a lot of respect for him after that. Win and lose like a man. Whether it’s fair or unfair should have no bearing on your reaction. Never mind that he threw it away anyway.
500guy wrote:
You don't think it would bother you to see a guy cut the track and be right back behind you? There needs to be some kind...
You don't think it would bother you to see a guy cut the track and be right back behind you?

There needs to be some kind of penalty for making a mistake that bad.
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Of course it would bother me but I wouldn’t have spouted off like he did. I wouldn’t have even addressed it. What ever He says on...
Of course it would bother me but I wouldn’t have spouted off like he did. I wouldn’t have even addressed it. What ever He says on the podium will have zero impact so he’s better off saying nothing.

And maybe you think he should be penalized for that but the rule says he shouldn’t. He followed the rule to a T. You can dislike the rule but you can’t say he didn’t follow it.
You sound like an adult, now go back to when you were 19, ever say something in the heat of the moment, maybe a little emotional. Or you just perfect from birth?
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6/1/2019 4:55pm
There is a delay with the official results being put out there, I guess it isn't over then.
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6/1/2019 4:59pm
Even GL comments that AC backed off, and intentionally gave JC the extra gap as would be required to not gain an advantage. That's what everyone watching saw, and was even pointed out in the broadcast. The results stand, people. It won't be challenged.
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500guy wrote:
You don't think it would bother you to see a guy cut the track and be right back behind you? There needs to be some kind...
You don't think it would bother you to see a guy cut the track and be right back behind you?

There needs to be some kind of penalty for making a mistake that bad.
MXD wrote:
Of course it would bother me but I wouldn’t have spouted off like he did. I wouldn’t have even addressed it. What ever He says on...
Of course it would bother me but I wouldn’t have spouted off like he did. I wouldn’t have even addressed it. What ever He says on the podium will have zero impact so he’s better off saying nothing.

And maybe you think he should be penalized for that but the rule says he shouldn’t. He followed the rule to a T. You can dislike the rule but you can’t say he didn’t follow it.
kijen wrote:
You sound like an adult, now go back to when you were 19, ever say something in the heat of the moment, maybe a little emotional...
You sound like an adult, now go back to when you were 19, ever say something in the heat of the moment, maybe a little emotional. Or you just perfect from birth?
Lol. I knew the age excuse would come up.
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6/1/2019 5:05pm
The existing rule has too many grey areas open to personal interpretation. You should have to re-enter where you exited if physically possible.
Like it or not, no one can argue that AC didn't accelerate off the track, which is against the current rules.
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6/1/2019 5:08pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2019 5:14pm
Here's a non biased look.

Pretty clear AC lets Cooper pull him in at least two different areas after re-entering the track: as soon as he re-enters and after the fly away he backs off again. That being said, it does kind of look like AC enters almost exactly the same time as Cooper is coming by

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And i missed the interview while hanging in the kitchen, damit 😡
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