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Stonedmason 4/27/2019 6:30pm
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Supercross is second to the Nationals anyway and he has already proven he is a badass outdoors.
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deluxeman 4/27/2019 6:32pm
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cdm806 wrote:
Cant handle the pressure. Either he runs away with the title, or he chokes in the final rounds. It's been his MO his entire career.
cpyz300 wrote:
Tonight didn't seem like a typical Eli choke though. He didn't fade after his first crash and still not even after his 2nd crash. I think...
Tonight didn't seem like a typical Eli choke though. He didn't fade after his first crash and still not even after his 2nd crash. I think those whoops were just tough for him. They were big jumpers which isn't his preference and also really rutted.

Still a choke by definition, but nothing like his usual ways.
So your saying he is finding new ways to choke?
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mfd1068 4/27/2019 6:44pm
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dimetime wrote:
Eli is so wildly overrated and is as dull and dim as a can of paint. Simply do not get the mad fanboying over this guy...
Eli is so wildly overrated and is as dull and dim as a can of paint. Simply do not get the mad fanboying over this guy.

He is a choker. He does ride a little dirty but because a bunch of you love the taste of his nuts there is rarely an honest assessment of him.

He lost me when he choked at MXON on his 250 and cost us the title. But y'all do you and oeep thinking he walks on water. It's hilarious.
+1

Tomac has been anointed by the fans as the next heir to the SX/MX Throne but the reality is he is just not good enough.
He is not in the same category as RC ,Poto,Dungey and Mcgrath. The racing public wants him to dominate but the reality is he can't attain that level.
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I read a sports psychology book at it explained choking and succeeding are a very close line. Choking does not happen because you don’t care, it happens because you care too much and make mistakes.
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lawson34 4/27/2019 7:39pm
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Gandorlf wrote:
Doesn't give praise to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ
Cooper said thank God for the red flag in his heat race a few weeks back
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creature654 4/27/2019 7:54pm
4/27/2019 7:54pm
Gandorlf wrote:
Doesn't give praise to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ
This is why I’m a fan
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Karma. He’s a dirty ass rider. Tries to win championships by taking the points leaders out. Did with dungey tried with cooper. Dirty pos. Not a...
Karma. He’s a dirty ass rider. Tries to win championships by taking the points leaders out. Did with dungey tried with cooper. Dirty pos. Not a fan of Tomac anymore.
Dirty rider?! His goal tonight should have been to punt Webb if given the chance (which he had) and he choose to ride clean. You should be banned from here based off of pure stupidity.
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BikeGuy321 4/27/2019 8:50pm
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He's pretty much the only top rider who doesn't train in Florida/The South. I really wonder if that's what is holding him back. It's kind of mind boggling that he gets enough seat time during the winter in Colorado.

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cason402 4/27/2019 9:13pm
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RandyS wrote:
Built in legend to train him, career mapped out, everything he needed including talent a notch above the comp. Will almost certainly retire without a title...
Built in legend to train him, career mapped out, everything he needed including talent a notch above the comp. Will almost certainly retire without a title despite being firmly in the top 10 all time win list.
maybe what went "wrong" is that he was beaten by a superior men.

he's an all timer outdoors, just better supercrossers during his era.

not that he couldn't win one in the future.

second place is the first loser, but really not a loser.

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cason402 4/27/2019 9:17pm
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Gandorlf wrote:
Doesn't give praise to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ
deluxeman wrote:
Maybe he should, it seems to work pretty well for the guys that beat him.
i don't have a link to the source handy, but reproducible psychological studies show that priming someone with the concept of god will cause them to take greater risks.

trey canard comes to mind.
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KurtJ99 4/27/2019 9:32pm
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Cooper came outta the blue and took this title from Eli. It’s not a knock on Eli that Cooper stepped up his game beyond everyone’s (including Coopers) expectations.
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SwingHard 4/27/2019 10:12pm
4/27/2019 10:12pm
Just think, in approximately 6-8 weeks SX will be a distant memory and people will be talking 3peat for Tomac outdoors. IF, he pulls that off, it's because he started taking advice on VITAL on how to get his Mental game in check and win Championships!
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mb60 4/27/2019 10:20pm
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Tomac and MM are mental. No other explanation is needed. Congrats to Webb and riding through it.
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VRR7 4/27/2019 10:28pm
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So the desire to win , belief in your self , call it mojo which is enabled and supported by a competent mentor trumps raw talent and speed - Who would have thought.
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Jerkolantern 4/27/2019 10:36pm
4/27/2019 10:36pm
The stupid meter is pegged at 10.... Yeah. Tomac sucks at sx... Who has the most sx wins in the current crop of rider's?? I hardly think you could say he sucks, rides dirty, etc. A bike malfunction and a couple of tip overs cost him a few titles. NOBODY here's knows why sometimes it seems like he's calling it. Could be bent bars, a tweaked subframe, or it could be him, who knows, but to say he's not a great sx rider shows how dumb some of the posters here are. And he's one of the cleanest rider's ever, he probably should've punted Webb, but he's got class and doesn't want to win that way. Bunch of fucking squids posting tonight
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Mxracer6y 4/27/2019 10:44pm
4/27/2019 10:44pm
Gandorlf wrote:
Doesn't give praise to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ
not sure whats up with all the thumb downs.... thought this comment was great haha..... Im assuming it just went over most peoples heads.
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RacerX8 4/27/2019 10:46pm
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Webb is having a year that he'll look back on forever and say that was the year when the stars really aligned. Last year I was questioning Webb's program, wondering where the beast from the 250's went. With a clean slate this year and new everything, he's risen to the occasion, great to watch a guy have a year like he is.

Watching Tomac go down a couple times was wrenching, I hate watching a guy struggle but you knew that he was giving it 110%. Crush mentioned some of his off track issues, I am one of those guys that thinks the green bike doesn't suit him but what do I know? Is it the bike or just his ridiculous speed like JS7 that creates some of his mental errors?

Webb has earned this, the guy doesn't put a wheel wrong. The dirt was sketchy obviously as how many guys were tucking their front ends, but Coop spends his morning throwing up, then goes out and wins the main while his competition takes themselves out. I'm getting Dungey consistency flashbacks when I watch the guy ride, not good for the other guys on the gate.
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Jerkolantern 4/27/2019 10:47pm
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Gandorlf wrote:
Doesn't give praise to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ
Mxracer6y wrote:
not sure whats up with all the thumb downs.... thought this comment was great haha..... Im assuming it just went over most peoples heads.
I understood the post. I also understand the thumbs down....
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byronrotax 4/27/2019 10:53pm
4/27/2019 10:53pm
Crush wrote:
Started the year with a back injury, a new bike, a crew chief who wasn’t helping one way or the other and obviously not his usual...
Started the year with a back injury, a new bike, a crew chief who wasn’t helping one way or the other and obviously not his usual speed.

Ended as clearly the fastest guy again but short of the title. I’d say it’s not a loss.

People shit on him but forget he hasn’t purely been at fault the last few years, he’s had more than his share of shit luck. Shit, even Bagget and Osborne staying upright would have been a rare assist this year and no bike change would have clearly helped. Coop deserves it but I’d guess Eli wins outdoors.
Spot on! Not to mention the slippery shithouse tracks they are getting, are they getting out of 1st gear? Jumping the whoops wtf! 60hp bikes and all you can use is 20hp! Parra speedway started making really slick tracks years ago to kll the speed for insurance reasons, fkn joke. Eli needs grip!
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Mxracer6y 4/27/2019 10:58pm
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zehn wrote:
By my count, Tomac has several national championships already
RandyS wrote:
Not the big one. Didn't say he never achieved rings, but the brass one is what everyone is racing for.
not the big one? what are you talking about...... oh wow.
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Mxracer6y 4/27/2019 11:04pm
4/27/2019 11:04pm
dimetime wrote:
Eli is so wildly overrated and is as dull and dim as a can of paint. Simply do not get the mad fanboying over this guy...
Eli is so wildly overrated and is as dull and dim as a can of paint. Simply do not get the mad fanboying over this guy.

He is a choker. He does ride a little dirty but because a bunch of you love the taste of his nuts there is rarely an honest assessment of him.

He lost me when he choked at MXON on his 250 and cost us the title. But y'all do you and oeep thinking he walks on water. It's hilarious.
tomac literally has to be one of the least dirty riders I have ever seen. He literally goes out of his way to avoid contact.

OH and he STILL hasn't retaliated on musquin in any way shape or form since musquin cleaned him out at foxboro. I can't say I would be such a gentleman.

Tomac is alot of things, but dirty is not one of them. Not even close.
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Mxracer6y 4/27/2019 11:11pm
4/27/2019 11:11pm
level wrote:
Karma. He’s a dirty ass rider. Tries to win championships by taking the points leaders out. Did with dungey tried with cooper. Dirty pos. Not a...
Karma. He’s a dirty ass rider. Tries to win championships by taking the points leaders out. Did with dungey tried with cooper. Dirty pos. Not a fan of Tomac anymore.
Hes literally never done this. Has never tried to take any one out... ever. If he wanted to take dungey out, he would have. All he did was slow him down.... he had a strategy, executed it, and it didnt work.... He could have done to dungey what osborne did to savatgy and he didn't.

And hes made 0 contact with webb, and hes had PLENTY of opportunities to take out him out, and he hasn't. and Lets not forget that he never retaliated against musquin for the whole foxboro incident.

Tomac has to be one of the least dirty riders i've ever seen race. He literally goes out of his way to avoid contact 90% of the time.

But since you say tomac is such a dirty rider..... please please please show me a clip of him taking someone out, or tell me when you've seen it and to who..... because I'll bet you cant provide me a single incident of him taking out another rider on purpose..... You'd have to go back to his 250 days for that. and even then im not sure if its happened
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Mxracer6y 4/27/2019 11:14pm
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Agree. He was going for it and never gave up. I was happy with the effort it was an exciting race. Gotta say I went to...
Agree. He was going for it and never gave up. I was happy with the effort it was an exciting race. Gotta say I went to the race and it seems like the Kawi wants to constantly tuck the front end on him. Just a dummy's opinion but I dont think the bike suits him
Seems to suit him pretty well outdoors when hes 3-4 seconds a lap faster than the next guy... but that was on the '18 so who knows
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GuyB 4/27/2019 11:14pm
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Karma. He’s a dirty ass rider. Tries to win championships by taking the points leaders out. Did with dungey tried with cooper. Dirty pos. Not a...
Karma. He’s a dirty ass rider. Tries to win championships by taking the points leaders out. Did with dungey tried with cooper. Dirty pos. Not a fan of Tomac anymore.
Your posts used to be better.
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GuyB 4/27/2019 11:17pm
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Gandorlf wrote:
Doesn't give praise to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ
Mxracer6y wrote:
not sure whats up with all the thumb downs.... thought this comment was great haha..... Im assuming it just went over most peoples heads.
We don’t do religion or politics here.
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TDeath21 4/27/2019 11:22pm
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Okay guys. Tomac has choked before. Not going to lie about that one. I can't really call this one a choke job though. He knew he had to win out so he went for it. 2nd place didn't really matter here.

He actually managed the championship really well and didn't have any terrible nights. He beat everyone this season that he had on his radar. Just so happens someone off the radar came up and eclipsed everyone, including Tomac.
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SCR 4/27/2019 11:32pm
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Some of the greatest riders in the sport never won a SX title. None of them had (3) National titles, (21) Main event wins, (29) National wins, and (2) GP wins.
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KYFHO699 4/27/2019 11:59pm
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level wrote:
Karma. He’s a dirty ass rider. Tries to win championships by taking the points leaders out. Did with dungey tried with cooper. Dirty pos. Not a...
Karma. He’s a dirty ass rider. Tries to win championships by taking the points leaders out. Did with dungey tried with cooper. Dirty pos. Not a fan of Tomac anymore.
Mxracer6y wrote:
Hes literally never done this. Has never tried to take any one out... ever. If he wanted to take dungey out, he would have. All he...
Hes literally never done this. Has never tried to take any one out... ever. If he wanted to take dungey out, he would have. All he did was slow him down.... he had a strategy, executed it, and it didnt work.... He could have done to dungey what osborne did to savatgy and he didn't.

And hes made 0 contact with webb, and hes had PLENTY of opportunities to take out him out, and he hasn't. and Lets not forget that he never retaliated against musquin for the whole foxboro incident.

Tomac has to be one of the least dirty riders i've ever seen race. He literally goes out of his way to avoid contact 90% of the time.

But since you say tomac is such a dirty rider..... please please please show me a clip of him taking someone out, or tell me when you've seen it and to who..... because I'll bet you cant provide me a single incident of him taking out another rider on purpose..... You'd have to go back to his 250 days for that. and even then im not sure if its happened
Actually, go back and watch the heat races from Daytona LAST year. Webb was cross-jumping Tomac and Tomac took Webb out. Tomac even admitted he took him out on purpose in the post-race interview. Other than that I can’t think of any others.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m5eQEusmRX8
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jpmoney57 4/28/2019 12:08am
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Gandorlf wrote:
Doesn't give praise to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ
deluxeman wrote:
Maybe he should, it seems to work pretty well for the guys that beat him.
cason402 wrote:
i don't have a link to the source handy, but reproducible psychological studies show that priming someone with the concept of god will cause them to...
i don't have a link to the source handy, but reproducible psychological studies show that priming someone with the concept of god will cause them to take greater risks.

trey canard comes to mind.
Yeah with all those injuries trey had, jebus was really looking out for him....
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Boomslang 4/28/2019 12:23am
4/28/2019 12:23am
Fate, Karma, Sod's Law, Murphy's Law, Goodluck, Badluck or just plain old tough shit..call it what ya will....everyone suffers from it.

All I know Is that one dude only gets a certain amount of luck in any one life and Tomac's has been nigh on empty.

The critical point of issue is Constant Damage Control, Dungey understood this best. Carmichael understood, Stewart never understood it and it sure looks like Tomac does not understand.

They are not choosing lottos numbers here, they have 20+2 to create their own luck with the Big picture being the Championship.

Webb has managed this season the best and deserves to be Champion.
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