Have you listened yet? Trey Canard podcast

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4/19/2019 10:07pm
I listened to it a few hours ago.


Can it be said who it was that wanted him to race for them?

This interview is a good one. His disclosure of the fears and thoughts he had caught me by surprise.
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4/19/2019 10:10pm
Dunno why not? MCR was interested.
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4/19/2019 11:27pm
Another cracker interview. All the riders seem to open up a lot more about there careers with you then any other pod or interviewer. Trey has definitely a point about the 450s being overpowered...
Great interview
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The throttle goes both ways.. half the problem is with riders that cant make a bike that works for them. Pourcel had it sussed, leave the motor alone, its enough, work on the chassis and suspension.
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philG wrote:
The throttle goes both ways.. half the problem is with riders that cant make a bike that works for them. Pourcel had it sussed, leave the...
The throttle goes both ways.. half the problem is with riders that cant make a bike that works for them. Pourcel had it sussed, leave the motor alone, its enough, work on the chassis and suspension.
Why have a motorcycle that you have to nurse, not to kill your self. Prime example an Australian legend Jeff leisk, honda used to de tune his cr500 to make it easier to ride (500’s are badass but not at all easy to get the most out of) .. Pourcell has it Sussed? to a degree! But still had major injuries.. Phil they shouldn’t have to de tune or work on the bikes to make them rideable for a professional.
The sx tracks are getting chewed out in a few laps costing the promoters money to keep some what rideable and prepped, on top of that you have our superstars nearly killing themselves to win a SX race. Let’s get real here a bit of carnage is fun to watch in small doses but these guys are getting fucked up !!!!
Yeh I’m being a bit PC but if we wanna keep this sport alive not half killing the contestants or ending up in wheelchairs or lifelong injuries, pulling down the horse power of these bikes is the key....
Just my 2 cents
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4/20/2019 9:39am
Ages ago I saw a video clip of 2 pros racing each other on KX 80s. I think it was a Kawasaki Race of Champions deal. They were pinned the whole time and bouncing off each other like pinballs. The all out aggression was awesome! They were not nursing those little screamers in any way. It was both exciting and safer, in my opinion. Not just the power, but the much lighter weight being safer.
It also appeared to be a hell of a lot of fun, if that is still important?
125 and 250's where more than enough.
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Is Trey allowed to eat Mexican food now that he's retired? Woohoo
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I 100% agree and It reminded me of Bob Hanna
Saying things along the same lines on a podcast about a year ago.
I think the first step before switching away from 450's which is not easy to do.
Would be to use electronics to tone them down a bit.
We are un the Electric/computer age, They could
Limit ECU's if they wanted to and give them all less.
Could they not ?
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4/20/2019 10:45am
excellent interview, thanks Trey and Guyb
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Reducing CC's is not the answer. Look at the crashes this year with injuries. Show me one that was due to the horsepower or the bike getting away from the rider. Dean Wilson mistimed a rhythm causing him to lose momentum into the next jump and endoed. Reed and others were hurt on basically the first turn.

We have just as many serious injuries in the 250 class, yet the motors are much more expensive as the factories stretch them to the limit. If we reduced the big boy class to 300-350, they would get close to 60 horsepower just like they are now, just cost more alienating riders on stock or close to stock power plants.

A couple other points:

1. Moto has always been dangerous and always will be. We cannot add seatbelts, but we can increase options for body armor and better head protection (gets better every year).

2. For supercross, simply slow down the tracks and make them all very different with unique obstacles. This could actually make racing worse though, so be careful what you ask for and the tracks used to be this way....and riders got hurt on 125's and 250's.
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What I mean is the top riders may be more likely to triple rather than double etc. Track design has a ton to do with it.
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Reducing CC's is not the answer. Look at the crashes this year with injuries. Show me one that was due to the horsepower or the bike...
Reducing CC's is not the answer. Look at the crashes this year with injuries. Show me one that was due to the horsepower or the bike getting away from the rider. Dean Wilson mistimed a rhythm causing him to lose momentum into the next jump and endoed. Reed and others were hurt on basically the first turn.

We have just as many serious injuries in the 250 class, yet the motors are much more expensive as the factories stretch them to the limit. If we reduced the big boy class to 300-350, they would get close to 60 horsepower just like they are now, just cost more alienating riders on stock or close to stock power plants.

A couple other points:

1. Moto has always been dangerous and always will be. We cannot add seatbelts, but we can increase options for body armor and better head protection (gets better every year).

2. For supercross, simply slow down the tracks and make them all very different with unique obstacles. This could actually make racing worse though, so be careful what you ask for and the tracks used to be this way....and riders got hurt on 125's and 250's.
Cost could be Reduced, Dont let Them Modify them to the point that They last a couple hours.
Production rules.

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Tarz483 wrote:
Cost could be Reduced, Dont let Them Modify them to the point that They last a couple hours.
Production rules.

Of course and they could do that now as well, and probably should in the 250 class so more Teams move to compete with 450's. Again, how is that going to make the sport safer? Show me a crash due to the power of the bike? I don't want to hear about rhythm sections, quads etc either as that is track design, not the bike....and before 450's the top 3 guys were jumping the same stuff on 2 strokes....the difference is now the top 10 guys do it.
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If the AMA had the balls to do it (stand up to the OEM's) I would let them know to reduce the cc displacement to 400cc (say by 2022) and make the race teams/privateers run an unleaded 93 octane spec fuel available to all racers. Set a price limit to no more than $4.00/gallon. Same fuel standards for the 250cc four stroke bikes.
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Tarz483 wrote:
Cost could be Reduced, Dont let Them Modify them to the point that They last a couple hours.
Production rules.

Of course and they could do that now as well, and probably should in the 250 class so more Teams move to compete with 450's. Again...
Of course and they could do that now as well, and probably should in the 250 class so more Teams move to compete with 450's. Again, how is that going to make the sport safer? Show me a crash due to the power of the bike? I don't want to hear about rhythm sections, quads etc either as that is track design, not the bike....and before 450's the top 3 guys were jumping the same stuff on 2 strokes....the difference is now the top 10 guys do it.
The Proof Is in the Severity of the injuries in the Past Ten years imo
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If you want to lower the speed ,and power . Why not reduce the noise, big time . There is no need to reduce CC s . A reduction in noise would solve two problems. They would have less power and would help save tracks from closing because of noise.


Imo a lower cc would kill the sport completely. It cost alot less for privateer to race a 450 . And be competitive. A competitive 250 costs alot of money
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Tarz483 wrote:
The Proof Is in the Severity of the injuries in the Past Ten years imo
Name any of them caused by the 450 . There has been huge injures on 250 f too . Jessy Nelson, Jmart ,CP377 etc etc etc all had the worst injuries you can get bar death . They were all on 250f s . I really dont see how a reduction in Cc s would do anything for injuries. There were a hell of alot bad injuries in 125 and 250 days too . I d look at track design before anything else if you want to help prevent injuries.
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4/20/2019 12:01pm
I guess Canard doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
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Tarz483 wrote:
The Proof Is in the Severity of the injuries in the Past Ten years imo
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Name any of them caused by the 450 . There has been huge injures on 250 f too . Jessy Nelson, Jmart ,CP377 etc etc etc...
Name any of them caused by the 450 . There has been huge injures on 250 f too . Jessy Nelson, Jmart ,CP377 etc etc etc all had the worst injuries you can get bar death . They were all on 250f s . I really dont see how a reduction in Cc s would do anything for injuries. There were a hell of alot bad injuries in 125 and 250 days too . I d look at track design before anything else if you want to help prevent injuries.
Im not Saying there wont be any its a dangerous sport
But we have how many guys out in 450 Class just this year?
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4/20/2019 12:20pm
In Pulp #378 Weimer, Nick Wey and Steve were talking about how you can run a whole SX track in 1st gear and clear a triple less than 15 feet from the base of the jump. Lol. Definitely makes it sound a little ridiculous.
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Mossy wrote:
In Pulp #378 Weimer, Nick Wey and Steve were talking about how you can run a whole SX track in 1st gear and clear a triple...
In Pulp #378 Weimer, Nick Wey and Steve were talking about how you can run a whole SX track in 1st gear and clear a triple less than 15 feet from the base of the jump. Lol. Definitely makes it sound a little ridiculous.
Right is there a reason they couldn't run stock motors?
I Like the Ideas, others have shared also
About the Gas used.
And as someone said make the sound restrictions stricter
No reason not to its a win win.and should have been done years ago, but better late than never.
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There is no human being on earth able to dislike Trey. I'm not honda guy but since i saw Inside the Outdoors i started to dig him.

It is understandable that metally comebacks take their toll on everybody. I hope Trey stays healthy and happy forever riding dirtbikes for fun. There are brand abassadors who have plenty titles but none of them has the charisma of Trey.
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Reducing CC's is not the answer. Look at the crashes this year with injuries. Show me one that was due to the horsepower or the bike...
Reducing CC's is not the answer. Look at the crashes this year with injuries. Show me one that was due to the horsepower or the bike getting away from the rider. Dean Wilson mistimed a rhythm causing him to lose momentum into the next jump and endoed. Reed and others were hurt on basically the first turn.

We have just as many serious injuries in the 250 class, yet the motors are much more expensive as the factories stretch them to the limit. If we reduced the big boy class to 300-350, they would get close to 60 horsepower just like they are now, just cost more alienating riders on stock or close to stock power plants.

A couple other points:

1. Moto has always been dangerous and always will be. We cannot add seatbelts, but we can increase options for body armor and better head protection (gets better every year).

2. For supercross, simply slow down the tracks and make them all very different with unique obstacles. This could actually make racing worse though, so be careful what you ask for and the tracks used to be this way....and riders got hurt on 125's and 250's.
Deano didn't crash because he mistimed a rhythm. His bike broke mid rhythm , causing him to endo.
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Tarz483 wrote:
Right is there a reason they couldn't run stock motors? I Like the Ideas, others have shared also About the Gas used. And as someone said...
Right is there a reason they couldn't run stock motors?
I Like the Ideas, others have shared also
About the Gas used.
And as someone said make the sound restrictions stricter
No reason not to its a win win.and should have been done years ago, but better late than never.
I think the 250 class should be a stock ish class. Make them run stock compression ratio, stock cams and valve size, and run a more tame fuel like 96 octane (VP C9 type). Limit the suspension to stock stuff but obviously allow valving and spring changes. Pipe and mapping are ok, but have to use stock ECU and ignition components. Make the class affordable and competitive again to the guy who can only afford a $10k machine and who needs the motor to last a season.

Maybe make the premier class like the 450 class rules on components and high tech stuff and unobtainable works parts, but limit displacement to 250cc. I would say 350cc but we all know they would be right back at 450 power levels immediately.

Flame suit on. Grinning
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Reducing CC's is not the answer. Look at the crashes this year with injuries. Show me one that was due to the horsepower or the bike...
Reducing CC's is not the answer. Look at the crashes this year with injuries. Show me one that was due to the horsepower or the bike getting away from the rider. Dean Wilson mistimed a rhythm causing him to lose momentum into the next jump and endoed. Reed and others were hurt on basically the first turn.

We have just as many serious injuries in the 250 class, yet the motors are much more expensive as the factories stretch them to the limit. If we reduced the big boy class to 300-350, they would get close to 60 horsepower just like they are now, just cost more alienating riders on stock or close to stock power plants.

A couple other points:

1. Moto has always been dangerous and always will be. We cannot add seatbelts, but we can increase options for body armor and better head protection (gets better every year).

2. For supercross, simply slow down the tracks and make them all very different with unique obstacles. This could actually make racing worse though, so be careful what you ask for and the tracks used to be this way....and riders got hurt on 125's and 250's.
Could the reason that there are more or just as many crashes in the 250 class be due to the fact that they may be less skilled, experienced than most of the 450 class
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4/20/2019 2:01pm
Great interview, glad to hear he is doing well and having fun. I was always amazed with his ability to line up after 2012. His first race back at A1 2013 with the Millsaps battle was electrifying.
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4/26/2019 6:37am
Tarz483 wrote:
Right is there a reason they couldn't run stock motors? I Like the Ideas, others have shared also About the Gas used. And as someone said...
Right is there a reason they couldn't run stock motors?
I Like the Ideas, others have shared also
About the Gas used.
And as someone said make the sound restrictions stricter
No reason not to its a win win.and should have been done years ago, but better late than never.
JBecker 72 wrote:
I think the 250 class should be a stock ish class. Make them run stock compression ratio, stock cams and valve size, and run a more...
I think the 250 class should be a stock ish class. Make them run stock compression ratio, stock cams and valve size, and run a more tame fuel like 96 octane (VP C9 type). Limit the suspension to stock stuff but obviously allow valving and spring changes. Pipe and mapping are ok, but have to use stock ECU and ignition components. Make the class affordable and competitive again to the guy who can only afford a $10k machine and who needs the motor to last a season.

Maybe make the premier class like the 450 class rules on components and high tech stuff and unobtainable works parts, but limit displacement to 250cc. I would say 350cc but we all know they would be right back at 450 power levels immediately.

Flame suit on. Grinning
I don’t mind the stock 250 class idea. Policing gets hard though.

Maybe 300 for the premier class.
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Tarz483 wrote:
Right is there a reason they couldn't run stock motors? I Like the Ideas, others have shared also About the Gas used. And as someone said...
Right is there a reason they couldn't run stock motors?
I Like the Ideas, others have shared also
About the Gas used.
And as someone said make the sound restrictions stricter
No reason not to its a win win.and should have been done years ago, but better late than never.
JBecker 72 wrote:
I think the 250 class should be a stock ish class. Make them run stock compression ratio, stock cams and valve size, and run a more...
I think the 250 class should be a stock ish class. Make them run stock compression ratio, stock cams and valve size, and run a more tame fuel like 96 octane (VP C9 type). Limit the suspension to stock stuff but obviously allow valving and spring changes. Pipe and mapping are ok, but have to use stock ECU and ignition components. Make the class affordable and competitive again to the guy who can only afford a $10k machine and who needs the motor to last a season.

Maybe make the premier class like the 450 class rules on components and high tech stuff and unobtainable works parts, but limit displacement to 250cc. I would say 350cc but we all know they would be right back at 450 power levels immediately.

Flame suit on. Grinning
dirtwalker wrote:
I don’t mind the stock 250 class idea. Policing gets hard though.

Maybe 300 for the premier class.
Honestly just go fuel and heavy noise restrictions in the 250 class. Anything more is hard to police.

Stock. What is stock? Surely you would require a homologation number to make it stock? Just do a more hardcore KTM factory edition with all the fruit and 52mm Cone Valves and Trax shock and a full TI bolt kit, charge 20K and they would sell enough to homologate be considered 'stock'.

Keep the 'non factory' rules for the 250's and open up the homologation to allow euro manufacturers to come in and at least have a go at supercross. Something like 'If not an established brand in the US the model competing must be available to purchase to the rest of the world in the 'stock' condition competing' Engine Cases and Frames must not be modified from the widely available model or something like that.


The 450s is a hard one because its the power plus the tractability and roll on ability. A 60HP cr500 is much harder to ride than a 60 HP crf450. The 250 two stroke didnt have this tractability. So even though the top riders could do the same rhythm sections if they didnt get them perfect or get out of the corners perfect they couldnt. So if they went through a Rhythm section out of control they would quickly lose speed and stop, crash or whatever. Now they can roll on the throttle and BRAAAAP jump 3 more and hope they get back in line. But how do you fix that? How do you make the bikes Harder to Ride still with lots of power but harder to ride in some way. I dont know. I mean a 250 does every jump a 450 does so if anything to maintain a seperation of class the 250 should be pushed down to 200cc, made super quiet on pump gas and then the 450s will be more special.


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4/26/2019 5:13pm
That was a good podcast listen & felt Trey was pretty candid with his answers. One of the sports class acts & still a fan of him as a person & also a past racer. Hope he does help put together some type of organization or advocacy group to be the bridge between the riders & Feld. Thnxz for posting...
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Won't electric change everything? They will be amazing for SX. Disruption is coming but how long until it gets here?
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