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uneasy_rider 3/9/2019 11:56pm
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AP has never been a great Supercross rider IMO. He has been horribly inconsistent his entire career. His season is going pretty much how I expected...
AP has never been a great Supercross rider IMO. He has been horribly inconsistent his entire career. His season is going pretty much how I expected so far.

Looking forward to seeing him outdoors tho.
Didnt he win the SX title in the lites class last year? His worst finish in a SX season since turning pro was 6th (his 1st season). Yeah, he sucks, LOL!
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mx691 3/10/2019 12:06am
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Really, aside from weight and power, it's exactly like the 450.
No.
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Broken Heel.
inthebadboycorner 3/10/2019 3:02am
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Broken Heel.
Is this a straight forward injury or is it complicated, I would assume being on the foot with lower blood flow it may take some time?

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Broken heels suck big time- I broke both (just fractures, not bad breaks) and they took a long time to take full weight bearing without aching. Even now over 20 years later they get sore after long periods of activity. However unless AP's is a bad break, he should be able to manage to be back on his feet in a few weeks and putting weight on it. Modern boots with an orthopaedic support and cushioning should see him back on the bike quicker than you'd think. The main worry is it won't heal properly if he over does it.
I actually thought Plessingers been the best of the rookies, while Savatgys had some top rides, AP's done exactly what you'd want from a rookie- solid, gaining experience and learning while still being competitive, and until now, staying out of trouble.
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jemcee 3/10/2019 3:21am
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CPR wrote:
Broken heels suck big time- I broke both (just fractures, not bad breaks) and they took a long time to take full weight bearing without aching...
Broken heels suck big time- I broke both (just fractures, not bad breaks) and they took a long time to take full weight bearing without aching. Even now over 20 years later they get sore after long periods of activity. However unless AP's is a bad break, he should be able to manage to be back on his feet in a few weeks and putting weight on it. Modern boots with an orthopaedic support and cushioning should see him back on the bike quicker than you'd think. The main worry is it won't heal properly if he over does it.
I actually thought Plessingers been the best of the rookies, while Savatgys had some top rides, AP's done exactly what you'd want from a rookie- solid, gaining experience and learning while still being competitive, and until now, staying out of trouble.
Yep I don't even think I broke mine but holy fuck it would ache like a mofo if I ever spent a long time on my feet..
Lucky I don't have that problem anymore haha
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outerlimits 3/10/2019 10:46am
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outerlimits wrote:
Really, aside from weight and power, it's exactly like the 450.
mx691 wrote:
No.
The point...….was that the other guy said it was "conventional", which it is not. Same reverse engine design. In fact, in past years I believe it was the same frame. The difference is power and maybe some differences in weight distribution.
Black Diesel Bomber 3/10/2019 11:25am
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outerlimits wrote:
Really, aside from weight and power, it's exactly like the 450.
mx691 wrote:
No.
outerlimits wrote:
The point...….was that the other guy said it was "conventional", which it is not. Same reverse engine design. In fact, in past years I believe it...
The point...….was that the other guy said it was "conventional", which it is not. Same reverse engine design. In fact, in past years I believe it was the same frame. The difference is power and maybe some differences in weight distribution.
"The difference is power and maybe some differences in weight distribution."

You nailed some key words here that support this whole discussion about the blue 450. And as you change weight/mass/torque and angles, things change exponentially. Not once have I seen anyone ever talk negative about the blue 250, because it works really well. AP and Webb both ripped on the 250, but they clearly aren't/weren't comfortable on the 450. Stats don't lie.
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cbuehler767 3/10/2019 1:55pm
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CPR wrote:
Broken heels suck big time- I broke both (just fractures, not bad breaks) and they took a long time to take full weight bearing without aching...
Broken heels suck big time- I broke both (just fractures, not bad breaks) and they took a long time to take full weight bearing without aching. Even now over 20 years later they get sore after long periods of activity. However unless AP's is a bad break, he should be able to manage to be back on his feet in a few weeks and putting weight on it. Modern boots with an orthopaedic support and cushioning should see him back on the bike quicker than you'd think. The main worry is it won't heal properly if he over does it.
I actually thought Plessingers been the best of the rookies, while Savatgys had some top rides, AP's done exactly what you'd want from a rookie- solid, gaining experience and learning while still being competitive, and until now, staying out of trouble.
Ya a couple guys posted on FB how they still have pain 10-20yrs later and one said he couldn't put weight on his heal for a whole yr after. Really gutted for AP
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wolf918 3/10/2019 2:32pm
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outerlimits wrote:
Really, aside from weight and power, it's exactly like the 450.
mx691 wrote:
No.
outerlimits wrote:
The point...….was that the other guy said it was "conventional", which it is not. Same reverse engine design. In fact, in past years I believe it...
The point...….was that the other guy said it was "conventional", which it is not. Same reverse engine design. In fact, in past years I believe it was the same frame. The difference is power and maybe some differences in weight distribution.
It’s not a reverse engine like a lot of people say. Just the cylinder head is turned around. The engine canted rearward is what makes the 450 handle differently.
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OldYZRider1 3/10/2019 3:01pm
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I broke mine 22 years ago. Broke it into three pieces, one fracture was in the joint the other basically broke a piece off the back of the calcaneous. I had mine surgically repaired and the surgeon got the bone fastened back in almost normal alignment. He told me due to the typical fracture lines thats not always easy to achieve. Mine was a fairly simple break but I still have 7 screws and a plate in there.

I had two years where I had that “twisting your ankle” pain and for several years I could get an ache with weather. Today I hardly every notice it although I’m 60 yo now and not as active. I never was a runner but I never noticed a problem on the bike or bicycle. I did recover some subtailor joint movement (the slight side to side rocking ability in the heel) and the doctor said that was pretty unusual. I think my good results are a result of electing to do a surgical repair and having the right guy with great skills do it. The initial orthopedic i saw just wanted to put me in a cast. He said he didn’t like to do surgery as he said that the foot was pretty intricate and he hadn’t always had good results.

Hopefully AP’s got a simpler fracture like mine and didn’t explode the bone like can happen with possibly worse long term outcome. However the orthopaedics these day can do some phenomenal things, just look how well Roczen has done considering his injuries. I wish him well.
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Joko 3/10/2019 3:28pm
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Not a good intro for the Alpinestars Tech 10 boots...Febvre, AP .... I guess the new crush zone in the heel design not effective enough, or the impact was too much?
Richard Tease II 3/10/2019 3:54pm
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Not a good intro for the Alpinestars Tech 10 boots...Febvre, AP .... I guess the new crush zone in the heel design not effective enough, or...
Not a good intro for the Alpinestars Tech 10 boots...Febvre, AP .... I guess the new crush zone in the heel design not effective enough, or the impact was too much?
2 accidents out of probably 10’s of thousands of impact accidents racked up in these boots with no injury.
Can’t base anything from 2 accidents.
I doubt there is a boot manufacturer that spends the $$$ in safety research more than Astars
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omalley 3/10/2019 3:58pm
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outerlimits wrote:
And yet a "backwards" 250 has won at least 3 lites championships and 4 out of 5 outdoor championships over the last 5 years. It's not...
And yet a "backwards" 250 has won at least 3 lites championships and 4 out of 5 outdoor championships over the last 5 years. It's not the c.g.
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250 is conventional, not like the 450. If thats what you mean.
outerlimits wrote:
Really, aside from weight and power, it's exactly like the 450.
Which happen to be two of the biggest factors affecting overall feel and handling.
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Joko 3/10/2019 4:01pm
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Only 2 publicly noted accidents, we don’t know numbers of regular consumer experiences.
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Silas444 3/10/2019 4:07pm
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Joko wrote:
Not a good intro for the Alpinestars Tech 10 boots...Febvre, AP .... I guess the new crush zone in the heel design not effective enough, or...
Not a good intro for the Alpinestars Tech 10 boots...Febvre, AP .... I guess the new crush zone in the heel design not effective enough, or the impact was too much?
I've always wondered about that. Is there a top-line boot that is suspect? I wear Sidi Crossfires, mainly because they're just so comfortable. I've never had a problem, let alone a major injury, nor, that I know of, has any notable pro who wears them. Alpinestars, on the other hand, has been quite unlucky that way.
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Joko 3/10/2019 4:20pm
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I was thinking about picking up a set of the new Tech 10’s thinking they were a safety improvement over Sidi, Sg12 and Instincts I’ve worn, not sure now.

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Spooner 3/10/2019 5:42pm
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Joko wrote:
Not a good intro for the Alpinestars Tech 10 boots...Febvre, AP .... I guess the new crush zone in the heel design not effective enough, or...
Not a good intro for the Alpinestars Tech 10 boots...Febvre, AP .... I guess the new crush zone in the heel design not effective enough, or the impact was too much?
They have been running EPS foam in the heal of the pro boots for several years, they just released that to the public on the new version but in a PU foam to make it more durable. Considering no other boot even offers anything like this I wonder how much worse it could have been in another brand.
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outerlimits 3/10/2019 5:44pm
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mx691 wrote:
No.
outerlimits wrote:
The point...….was that the other guy said it was "conventional", which it is not. Same reverse engine design. In fact, in past years I believe it...
The point...….was that the other guy said it was "conventional", which it is not. Same reverse engine design. In fact, in past years I believe it was the same frame. The difference is power and maybe some differences in weight distribution.
wolf918 wrote:
It’s not a reverse engine like a lot of people say. Just the cylinder head is turned around. The engine canted rearward is what makes the...
It’s not a reverse engine like a lot of people say. Just the cylinder head is turned around. The engine canted rearward is what makes the 450 handle differently.
Right, but the point is it is the same layout as the 250, regardless of what people want to call it. Those cylinders are hardly even canted back much anymore. I think the biggest net result of the design is that it puts the fuel tank much further rearward and that probably also contributes to the seat height being higher.
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Joko 3/10/2019 7:16pm
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Joko wrote:
Not a good intro for the Alpinestars Tech 10 boots...Febvre, AP .... I guess the new crush zone in the heel design not effective enough, or...
Not a good intro for the Alpinestars Tech 10 boots...Febvre, AP .... I guess the new crush zone in the heel design not effective enough, or the impact was too much?
Spooner wrote:
They have been running EPS foam in the heal of the pro boots for several years, they just released that to the public on the new...
They have been running EPS foam in the heal of the pro boots for several years, they just released that to the public on the new version but in a PU foam to make it more durable. Considering no other boot even offers anything like this I wonder how much worse it could have been in another brand.
What is PU foam?
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Spooner 3/10/2019 7:18pm
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Joko wrote:
What is PU foam?
Sorry, polyurethane. Basically a rubbery type of foam.
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drt410 3/10/2019 7:43pm
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mx691 wrote:
No.
outerlimits wrote:
The point...….was that the other guy said it was "conventional", which it is not. Same reverse engine design. In fact, in past years I believe it...
The point...….was that the other guy said it was "conventional", which it is not. Same reverse engine design. In fact, in past years I believe it was the same frame. The difference is power and maybe some differences in weight distribution.
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
"The difference is power and maybe some differences in weight distribution." You nailed some key words here that support this whole discussion about the blue 450...
"The difference is power and maybe some differences in weight distribution."

You nailed some key words here that support this whole discussion about the blue 450. And as you change weight/mass/torque and angles, things change exponentially. Not once have I seen anyone ever talk negative about the blue 250, because it works really well. AP and Webb both ripped on the 250, but they clearly aren't/weren't comfortable on the 450. Stats don't lie.
Webb actually said he loved the star 450. Yamaha had to rebuild a race team from scratch. From 18 on the head angle decreased also, updraft exhaust, thinner shrouds...
Black Diesel Bomber 3/10/2019 7:50pm
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outerlimits wrote:
The point...….was that the other guy said it was "conventional", which it is not. Same reverse engine design. In fact, in past years I believe it...
The point...….was that the other guy said it was "conventional", which it is not. Same reverse engine design. In fact, in past years I believe it was the same frame. The difference is power and maybe some differences in weight distribution.
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
"The difference is power and maybe some differences in weight distribution." You nailed some key words here that support this whole discussion about the blue 450...
"The difference is power and maybe some differences in weight distribution."

You nailed some key words here that support this whole discussion about the blue 450. And as you change weight/mass/torque and angles, things change exponentially. Not once have I seen anyone ever talk negative about the blue 250, because it works really well. AP and Webb both ripped on the 250, but they clearly aren't/weren't comfortable on the 450. Stats don't lie.
drt410 wrote:
Webb actually said he loved the star 450. Yamaha had to rebuild a race team from scratch. From 18 on the head angle decreased also, updraft...
Webb actually said he loved the star 450. Yamaha had to rebuild a race team from scratch. From 18 on the head angle decreased also, updraft exhaust, thinner shrouds...
No doubt that improvements have been made recently, but apparently it still needs a lot of work.

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