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1/13/2019 6:53pm
I make it to one race a year (ATL) which have to drive 6hrs to. I have never witnessed the hate, although im sure some exists. My issues is that race baiting pieces of shit call everyone racist if they don't praise James. I cant stand Tomac either, i guess I am racist to whites as well, by some peoples warped logic. I love SX, and MX, dont follow any other sports. I guess I just hate ignorant people, and I am not talking about the Stewarts!
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1/13/2019 6:55pm
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Karma is real.
What is that meant to mean in relation to this post?
People who do and say shitty things often have shitty things happen too them. Bad things happen to good people too but there's no good in being shit.
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1/13/2019 6:57pm
You would have to be a genuine piece of human garbage to not like Malcom. I've never seen an interview with him that suggests he is anything other than a good dude. Pretty bummed about his crash, he was looking awesome this season. I hope he has a speedy recovery.
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1/13/2019 6:59pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2019 7:01pm
I call BS. There has no doubt been instances where that may be true but that has not ‘kept them in hiding’. Where not all from the same mould and the Stewart’s suffer from fatigue whilst trying to keep up appearances and socialise. Also James ego has to play a part as he only wants to be seen at his best and doesn’t want to share anything else. I’m a massive fan of both brothers as well.

Edit: this was in reply to a post that seems to have been deleted
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1/13/2019 7:38pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2019 7:59pm
js451 wrote:
I call BS. There has no doubt been instances where that may be true but that has not ‘kept them in hiding’. Where not all from...
I call BS. There has no doubt been instances where that may be true but that has not ‘kept them in hiding’. Where not all from the same mould and the Stewart’s suffer from fatigue whilst trying to keep up appearances and socialise. Also James ego has to play a part as he only wants to be seen at his best and doesn’t want to share anything else. I’m a massive fan of both brothers as well.

Edit: this was in reply to a post that seems to have been deleted
That was my post and I deleted it because I knew someone like you would come in with an ignorant "bullshit" response.

Fact of the matter is, the Stewarts have had to deal with more than their fair share of racism over the years (it's well documented and Reed actually just talked about on that Gypsy Tales podcast). Is it their sole reason for being so reclusive, unlikely, but you have to image that every time they got called niggers, had shit thrown at them, got spit on, or been flipped off because they were black guys in a white guy sport it pushed them that much further away.

I can't even imagine giving as much as they have to a sport only to be treated like shit because I was black. Hell, I told you what happened to the Stewarts and instead of trying to understand it from their perspective you went straight to calling it "bullshit".


Edit: I realize this makes me sound like I'm calling you a racist, which I 100% am not, just saying it doesn't hurt to try and see shit from other people perspectives before jumping to conclusions.
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1/13/2019 7:43pm
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I think what he means is that threads about the excessive amount of hate the Stewart family gets usually degrades to a dispute of whether it's...
I think what he means is that threads about the excessive amount of hate the Stewart family gets usually degrades to a dispute of whether it's because of their lack of communication with fans or because of their race. The ya-huh, na-uh back and forth escalates into personal attacks between members and off to the Dumbgeon it goes.
I retract my earlier statement. I'm with you slip.
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1/13/2019 8:03pm
Been a few rider's over the years I disliked. Joey Savatgy is one of them , along with Vince friese ( at times ). I gotta say there has been quite a few times I didn't like Ryan Hughes or Michael Craig either. James was on and off my list because of careless riding that wounded other people for stupid decision's. But Malcolm.....I dig the shit out of that guy because he seems cool as hell. He has a tendency to ride over his head at times , but it's usually always himself that takes the brunt end of things , when things go bad. In this sport , skin color shouldn't mean anything. And just to say it......racism can go both ways. I've always been a biog fan of judging someone on their merit , and how good of an overall person they can be. You can be a piece of shit in any color.
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1/13/2019 8:15pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2019 8:20pm
I make it to one race a year (ATL) which have to drive 6hrs to. I have never witnessed the hate, although im sure some exists...
I make it to one race a year (ATL) which have to drive 6hrs to. I have never witnessed the hate, although im sure some exists. My issues is that race baiting pieces of shit call everyone racist if they don't praise James. I cant stand Tomac either, i guess I am racist to whites as well, by some peoples warped logic. I love SX, and MX, dont follow any other sports. I guess I just hate ignorant people, and I am not talking about the Stewarts!
this. the guilt runs deep.

lebron can run his mouth like an asshole and guilt tripping kids will still fawn all over him, but heaven forbid you mention the domestic violence problem in the NFL.
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1/13/2019 8:20pm
js451 wrote:
I call BS. There has no doubt been instances where that may be true but that has not ‘kept them in hiding’. Where not all from...
I call BS. There has no doubt been instances where that may be true but that has not ‘kept them in hiding’. Where not all from the same mould and the Stewart’s suffer from fatigue whilst trying to keep up appearances and socialise. Also James ego has to play a part as he only wants to be seen at his best and doesn’t want to share anything else. I’m a massive fan of both brothers as well.

Edit: this was in reply to a post that seems to have been deleted
That was my post and I deleted it because I knew someone like you would come in with an ignorant "bullshit" response. Fact of the matter...
That was my post and I deleted it because I knew someone like you would come in with an ignorant "bullshit" response.

Fact of the matter is, the Stewarts have had to deal with more than their fair share of racism over the years (it's well documented and Reed actually just talked about on that Gypsy Tales podcast). Is it their sole reason for being so reclusive, unlikely, but you have to image that every time they got called niggers, had shit thrown at them, got spit on, or been flipped off because they were black guys in a white guy sport it pushed them that much further away.

I can't even imagine giving as much as they have to a sport only to be treated like shit because I was black. Hell, I told you what happened to the Stewarts and instead of trying to understand it from their perspective you went straight to calling it "bullshit".


Edit: I realize this makes me sound like I'm calling you a racist, which I 100% am not, just saying it doesn't hurt to try and see shit from other people perspectives before jumping to conclusions.
You said it was the reason they were ‘ in hiding’ which is what I called BS. I didn’t call the racism BS I said there would be instances where that would be true but it’s not the only reason. You deleted your post and then posted pretty much exactly what I said.
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1/13/2019 8:21pm
Tomac gets lots of hate. People dislike for many reasons I disliked Barcia and now I like him. I disliked James because of his arrogance but...
Tomac gets lots of hate. People dislike for many reasons I disliked Barcia and now I like him. I disliked James because of his arrogance but liked Malcolm.
starting to hate tomac b/c he's turning into a robot man. needs to watch gladiator a few dozen times. gotta win the crowd or it's really all for naught. noone will remember you.

"i had corporate responsibilities". STFU man.
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1/13/2019 8:25pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2019 8:27pm
js451 wrote:
You said it was the reason they were ‘ in hiding’ which is what I called BS. I didn’t call the racism BS I said there...
You said it was the reason they were ‘ in hiding’ which is what I called BS. I didn’t call the racism BS I said there would be instances where that would be true but it’s not the only reason. You deleted your post and then posted pretty much exactly what I said.
No, I didn’t.

Have a good one.
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js451 wrote:
You said it was the reason they were ‘ in hiding’ which is what I called BS. I didn’t call the racism BS I said there...
You said it was the reason they were ‘ in hiding’ which is what I called BS. I didn’t call the racism BS I said there would be instances where that would be true but it’s not the only reason. You deleted your post and then posted pretty much exactly what I said.
No, I didn’t.

Have a good one.
Oh ok must of been someone else ?
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1/13/2019 8:34pm
I make it to one race a year (ATL) which have to drive 6hrs to. I have never witnessed the hate, although im sure some exists...
I make it to one race a year (ATL) which have to drive 6hrs to. I have never witnessed the hate, although im sure some exists. My issues is that race baiting pieces of shit call everyone racist if they don't praise James. I cant stand Tomac either, i guess I am racist to whites as well, by some peoples warped logic. I love SX, and MX, dont follow any other sports. I guess I just hate ignorant people, and I am not talking about the Stewarts!
milliebays wrote:
this. the guilt runs deep. lebron can run his mouth like an asshole and guilt tripping kids will still fawn all over him, but heaven forbid...
this. the guilt runs deep.

lebron can run his mouth like an asshole and guilt tripping kids will still fawn all over him, but heaven forbid you mention the domestic violence problem in the NFL.
Double standards in the nba, nfl.
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1/13/2019 8:40pm
It blows my mind that skin color is still an issue with some small minded morons. Its extremely upsetting and disgusting.
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1/14/2019 2:57am
mx510 wrote:
It blows my mind that skin color is still an issue with some small minded morons. Its extremely upsetting and disgusting.
Agreed, it would be a much better world if we didnt have to bring race into the discussion. Especially the way it is used to try and win arguments these days. Can't we all just get along? #peaceandlove
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1/14/2019 3:09am
Well, 2009 would have been when James left Kawasaki for Yamaha. I don’t think he was treated any differently than RC was when he left Kawasaki for Honda. Hard core Kawasaki fans hated both of them for leaving. It’s childish I know, but it is what it is. I also believe James’ cockiness and lack of on track delivery brought on some of his haters. I myself, loved watching James race when he was on. As for Mookie, it’s probably spillover that goes back to the Stewart name. I don’t really know how anyone can hate on Mookie, the guy is always smiling and seems positive in all his interviews. I’ve never known him to to ride dirty either. So yea, I don’t get the negativity by some out there.
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1/14/2019 3:14am
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Well, 2009 would have been when James left Kawasaki for Yamaha. I don’t think he was treated any differently than RC was when he left Kawasaki...
Well, 2009 would have been when James left Kawasaki for Yamaha. I don’t think he was treated any differently than RC was when he left Kawasaki for Honda. Hard core Kawasaki fans hated both of them for leaving. It’s childish I know, but it is what it is. I also believe James’ cockiness and lack of on track delivery brought on some of his haters. I myself, loved watching James race when he was on. As for Mookie, it’s probably spillover that goes back to the Stewart name. I don’t really know how anyone can hate on Mookie, the guy is always smiling and seems positive in all his interviews. I’ve never known him to to ride dirty either. So yea, I don’t get the negativity by some out there.
Man I literally heard people in stands saying “I hope that nigger crashes” regardless of him leaving Kawi for Yamaha that is vile behaviour. And I understand his cockiness but Reed is just as cocky imo (I’m an Aussie btw) and the notion that he didn’t deliver on track is just bullshit. The dude is a great of our sport, only person other than the goat to go 24-0 and how many titles did he win? You wouldn’t say Reed didn’t deliver on the track yet he won less races and tittles than bubba. But yes I feel the most for mookie the hate he sometimes gets is so unfair you can see he is a genuinely happy/gracious dude.
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1/14/2019 3:15am
downard254 wrote:
Well, 2009 would have been when James left Kawasaki for Yamaha. I don’t think he was treated any differently than RC was when he left Kawasaki...
Well, 2009 would have been when James left Kawasaki for Yamaha. I don’t think he was treated any differently than RC was when he left Kawasaki for Honda. Hard core Kawasaki fans hated both of them for leaving. It’s childish I know, but it is what it is. I also believe James’ cockiness and lack of on track delivery brought on some of his haters. I myself, loved watching James race when he was on. As for Mookie, it’s probably spillover that goes back to the Stewart name. I don’t really know how anyone can hate on Mookie, the guy is always smiling and seems positive in all his interviews. I’ve never known him to to ride dirty either. So yea, I don’t get the negativity by some out there.

1/14/2019 3:17am
I've not cared for James because of his arrogance as well as his taking other riders down when he's out of control. I don't care for his little brother because I feel, as a racer, he should be out there contesting the nationals, felt the same way about MC, even though The King of SX definitely "earned" a SX only deal. I'm an absolute nobody except a fan of the sport, so nobody owes me anything. Just my opinion. But it seems that if you're not a Stewart fanboy, you're labeled a racist. Sad. Get well Malcolm.
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1/14/2019 3:18am
After how hard these guys work, dedicating their whole lives to perfect a very difficult craft just to put their talents on display for our entertainment I don’t think any of them deserve the amount of prejudice and disrespect some seem to receive. What they do is nothing short of amazing
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1/14/2019 3:21am
I've not cared for James because of his arrogance as well as his taking other riders down when he's out of control. I don't care for...
I've not cared for James because of his arrogance as well as his taking other riders down when he's out of control. I don't care for his little brother because I feel, as a racer, he should be out there contesting the nationals, felt the same way about MC, even though The King of SX definitely "earned" a SX only deal. I'm an absolute nobody except a fan of the sport, so nobody owes me anything. Just my opinion. But it seems that if you're not a Stewart fanboy, you're labeled a racist. Sad. Get well Malcolm.
I don’t think you’re labeled a racist if you’re not a fan of JS7 what I was saying is why do they seem to get SO much hate, continually. No other past champion gets as much hate as James and that’s facts.
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1/14/2019 3:36am
I've not cared for James because of his arrogance as well as his taking other riders down when he's out of control. I don't care for...
I've not cared for James because of his arrogance as well as his taking other riders down when he's out of control. I don't care for his little brother because I feel, as a racer, he should be out there contesting the nationals, felt the same way about MC, even though The King of SX definitely "earned" a SX only deal. I'm an absolute nobody except a fan of the sport, so nobody owes me anything. Just my opinion. But it seems that if you're not a Stewart fanboy, you're labeled a racist. Sad. Get well Malcolm.
I don’t think you’re labeled a racist if you’re not a fan of JS7 what I was saying is why do they seem to get SO...
I don’t think you’re labeled a racist if you’re not a fan of JS7 what I was saying is why do they seem to get SO much hate, continually. No other past champion gets as much hate as James and that’s facts.
In my opinion, James gets grief cause he should have and could have eclipsed every record out there, but instead of winning races by 10 secs, he had to try and win by 30 secs and wadded himself up alot. He had so much potential, but so little self control at times. But for you to say that you don`t label people racist for not liking James, you seem to elude to that fact in your comments alot. Do you recall the love/hate relationship for Hannah, or Bradshaw? I know James is black and got some negative BS for that, but you can`t throw the race card out there everytime and win a dispute, it is counter productive to the race argument, not productive at all. Believe it or not, people can not be a fan of someone and not have an ulterior motive. You ever go around Nascar fans? Holy hell, those guys are ready to crucify their favorite drivers competition!
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1/14/2019 3:38am
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Malcolm is a great personality for our sport and we should be lucky to be able to watch him. Hope he heals up quick and is...
Malcolm is a great personality for our sport and we should be lucky to be able to watch him.

Hope he heals up quick and is ok.
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I don’t think you’re labeled a racist if you’re not a fan of JS7 what I was saying is why do they seem to get SO...
I don’t think you’re labeled a racist if you’re not a fan of JS7 what I was saying is why do they seem to get SO much hate, continually. No other past champion gets as much hate as James and that’s facts.
769K followers on IG for Bubba. A lot of hate for sure...

I agree with tampabayjay, it seems that if you're not a Stewart fanboy you're labeled a racist as if you're a Tomac fanboy you're labeled as a redneck...

I could be wrong but that's how I feel.
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1/14/2019 3:57am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2019 4:00am
I've not cared for James because of his arrogance as well as his taking other riders down when he's out of control. I don't care for...
I've not cared for James because of his arrogance as well as his taking other riders down when he's out of control. I don't care for his little brother because I feel, as a racer, he should be out there contesting the nationals, felt the same way about MC, even though The King of SX definitely "earned" a SX only deal. I'm an absolute nobody except a fan of the sport, so nobody owes me anything. Just my opinion. But it seems that if you're not a Stewart fanboy, you're labeled a racist. Sad. Get well Malcolm.
I don’t think you’re labeled a racist if you’re not a fan of JS7 what I was saying is why do they seem to get SO...
I don’t think you’re labeled a racist if you’re not a fan of JS7 what I was saying is why do they seem to get SO much hate, continually. No other past champion gets as much hate as James and that’s facts.
In my opinion, James gets grief cause he should have and could have eclipsed every record out there, but instead of winning races by 10 secs...
In my opinion, James gets grief cause he should have and could have eclipsed every record out there, but instead of winning races by 10 secs, he had to try and win by 30 secs and wadded himself up alot. He had so much potential, but so little self control at times. But for you to say that you don`t label people racist for not liking James, you seem to elude to that fact in your comments alot. Do you recall the love/hate relationship for Hannah, or Bradshaw? I know James is black and got some negative BS for that, but you can`t throw the race card out there everytime and win a dispute, it is counter productive to the race argument, not productive at all. Believe it or not, people can not be a fan of someone and not have an ulterior motive. You ever go around Nascar fans? Holy hell, those guys are ready to crucify their favorite drivers competition!
Nah man you’re putting words in my mouth. I originally made this post to highlight the unusual amount of disrespect the Stewart family seems to get inside the moto industry in light of mookies crash and that the abuse he got is most likely a reason to his continued MIA from the sport. I also said everybody has a right to dislike/like who they want.
I have never ever labelled anyone a racist for not liking JS7 and being from Australia I am constantly having the argument that JS7/CR22 debate.
I still don’t buy your notion that it’s fair to criticise James on his career because he didn’t win as much or eclipsed every record. When Chad Reed retires how many people will say he “should’ve could’ve won more”? No one will. How many great riders have there been who will never get close to JS7 wins/championships. And I’m only using chad as an example because they both came on the scene at the same time.

I do agree with your comparison to Bradshaw though (Hannah is before my time). Maybe with time the moto world will have more love for JS7. I just heard David Villumen say Bradshaw is the most talented guy he’s ever seen throw a leg over a bike.
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1/14/2019 4:02am
normally with discussions like this i turn my head away and prefer it in the Dumbgon. But this isn't the 1st time this has be spoken...
normally with discussions like this i turn my head away and prefer it in the Dumbgon.

But this isn't the 1st time this has be spoken of and every time its swept under the rug.
Mookie is not my go to rider, but man! i don't know how you can not like the guy. Great personality, im sure he battles his own demons and always has time for fans.

Even in Reeds last podcast he talk a little about it and he cant get his head around it either.
Its not just social media.. Its at the tracks and races as well!

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1/14/2019 4:40am
What am I missing here, I don't see any hate toward Mookie? People may question his racecraft, but he is one of the most popular and roundly liked and accepted people in the sport. I have seen nothing but sympathy and well wishes for him.
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1/14/2019 4:42am
I can't get my head around this stuff either. Malcolm is a great guy, a super talented racer and overal very positive. Some people stated it in other threads as well, these guys are humans and they put their life on the line every time they race. I just don't understand how people are bashing most of these guys as they all have something special, otherwise they wouldn't even ride AMA supercross.

I think it is an all time thing. Most people (hopefully) know how much work goes into being a professional racer (either SX or MX) and respect these guys for what they do. Other people, to describe it respectfully, just don't have that common sense. Maybe it is my personality, but I can't understand how people are bashing on JS7 for not winning enough championships and stuff, while he entertained you guys from 2003 until 2016 either with spectacular jumps/wins or even crashes (I don't get entertained by crashes by the way). Just watch Mookie his Instagram stories and photo's and you see his switch from "us vs the world" to a positive attitude towards the entire industry. He had an amazing off season with training and his laptimes during practices and heats showed how much speed he had and how he was ready to make steps into the top 5 consistently.

People are so much aimed to negativity in this world, it's crazy. And it is not even disappointing with the Stewarts, it is towards all these riders in the top 20 in either the AMA circuit or the GP's.

For example:
- Webb. Multi time 250 champion, Has 2 rough first years in the 450 class. Gets written off for not getting results and being arrogant and lazy. However, he showed good speed during practices/heats and had to deal with bad luck and injuries during the season. Never stopped trying. Now on his way to make consistent results
- Davalos. Get's all the hate in the world for still riding a 250. Tried several times to get a 450 rides, but 'only' gets 250 factory contracts. However, for some people he should man up and ride a 450 as a privateer. Common sense?
- Reed. Get's two top 10's in the first 2 races, should retire because he can't win anymore. However, had the fastest lap time in his heat race and passed most of the top guys during this sprint race. Even get's in the top 20 at the age of 36

I can give so many examples of these riders getting hate for things they can't even change, but this post is way too long already Grinning Grinning
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1/14/2019 4:53am
Pretty disappointed with a lot of the comments I see around regarding Mookies crash on different social media platforms. The majority are good and well wishing...
Pretty disappointed with a lot of the comments I see around regarding Mookies crash on different social media platforms. The majority are good and well wishing but there is still those few dickheads that always seem to pop up when a Stewart is involved. The lack of respect the Stewart family gets within the industry from a percentage of fans really doesn’t look good and makes me wonder if there is a more deep rooted issue to it. I can totally understand why JS7 has walked away and wants nothing to do with the sport.
God speed Mookie on your recovery, boy you were looking fast.
STOP! Watching CNN. Stop Race Baiting. Not everything is a conspiracy theory. When any rider gets injured there are people bad mouthing and hating, including Roczen. This is nothing new and nothing to do with the color of Malcoms skin. Malcom is very well liked for the most part by fans, as was James Stewart despite a lot of questionable decisions.
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