Tomac seemed off pace

mx_phreek 1/13/2019 11:49am
1/13/2019 11:49am
I think Matthes tweeted that his rear tyre was destroyed at end of race and that probably explains his lack of forward progress towards end of race.
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RichardLoots 1/13/2019 11:51am
1/13/2019 11:51am
he is just not "on "
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drt410 1/13/2019 11:54am
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A 3rd n a 4th is better than a Dnf Dns... hes peeeerfectly fine and he usually goes on a string of wins so if a 4th is his bad night hes fine.
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D_L118 1/13/2019 12:03pm
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I think this years Tomac is a very dangerous Tomac.
He has everything under control and has plenty of races to turn it "ON".
This year consistency will be more important then it allready was.
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eGGz 1/13/2019 12:09pm
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Tomac currently sits third in points. A paltry 4 points behind the current points leader (Roczen.) Seems like he is doing just fine.
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mx_phreek wrote:
I think Matthes tweeted that his rear tyre was destroyed at end of race and that probably explains his lack of forward progress towards end of...
I think Matthes tweeted that his rear tyre was destroyed at end of race and that probably explains his lack of forward progress towards end of race.
They don't last long in those conditions if you make the wrong tire choice. Hard as f**k to ride with no knobbiest left = no traction, tire unbalanced etc.
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milliebays 1/13/2019 1:23pm
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he looks massive on that bike. dunno why.
Johnny Lock 1/13/2019 4:27pm
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steve.hackler.1 wrote:
I thought it was a terrible track for passing. Everyone is running the same times. Track too easy for these guys.

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MXD 1/13/2019 4:33pm
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He’s 39 points ahead of where he was last year at this time. While he hasn’t contested for wins yet, I’m sure he’ll be fine.
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kkawboy14 1/13/2019 5:00pm
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eGGz wrote:
Tomac currently sits third in points. A paltry 4 points behind the current points leader (Roczen.) Seems like he is doing just fine.
I thought he was second four points down?
Todd_Dooley 1/13/2019 5:09pm
1/13/2019 5:09pm
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" Tomac seemed off pace "........<< what some see. " Tomac is riding smart ".......<<<< is what I see. I Think that Eli is turning into...
" Tomac seemed off pace "........<< what some see.

" Tomac is riding smart ".......<<<< is what I see.

I Think that Eli is turning into the rider that a lot of us wanted to see. More mature and knowing when and how to take his shots. That track for one was sketchy , and I think he rode smart. Hell , he came from a 19th gate pick ( which was like 2nd or 3rd from the very inside? ). I'd say 4th is a pretty good night.
I completely agree and your statement makes a lot of sense, the only problem with Eli trying to play the Dungey game is, Eli can't get a top 3 holeshot every race like Dungey could and like Kenny most likely will. I just thought he'd push harder to pass a guy that will most likely be starting in front of him. Still early
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FCTRY 1/13/2019 5:09pm
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Pirate421 wrote:
I think he’s in a good spot. That slick track could be dangerous for tomac, with the hard blue groove and tricky long rhythms. After watching...
I think he’s in a good spot. That slick track could be dangerous for tomac, with the hard blue groove and tricky long rhythms. After watching him the last few years I’m convinced that no one out there rides a bike as hard as he does. He may not be the fastest every night, but he’s definitely the most aggressive, and I believe has the highest probably for self destruction. like we saw when he suffered his massive crash in the nats with Honda, leading by a minute and riding harder than anyone. If he has to take it down a peg and leave the west coast healthy and move on to the softer east coast where he can ride all out, I’m good with it.
I think you've nailed it here. Tomac's happy place is in "beast mode" but that way of riding is only really doable with good conditions and high traction. That's not to say that he's never done well on a bad track, but the real Eli comes out when the traction is mint. With a wet track last week, and a slick hard track this week, I think we'll see an uptick soon.
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eGGz 1/13/2019 8:15pm
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eGGz wrote:
Tomac currently sits third in points. A paltry 4 points behind the current points leader (Roczen.) Seems like he is doing just fine.
kkawboy14 wrote:
I thought he was second four points down?
01 Roczen 44
02 Barcia 43
03 Tomac 40
05 Wilson 34
06 Musquin 33
07 Anderson 32
08 Webb 31
09 Plessinger 29
10 Brayton 28
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jeffro503 1/13/2019 8:20pm
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One other thing to remember here is , that the west coast tracks don't rut up like they do on the east coast. The more ruts , the more knarly they get , is when you will see him do 10th place to 1st place type rides. These first two rounds were tracks that a lot of guys are going real close to the same speed. BUT.....it makes for some really close racing that way too.
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Todd_Dooley 1/13/2019 8:39pm
1/13/2019 8:39pm
jeffro503 wrote:
One other thing to remember here is , that the west coast tracks don't rut up like they do on the east coast. The more ruts...
One other thing to remember here is , that the west coast tracks don't rut up like they do on the east coast. The more ruts , the more knarly they get , is when you will see him do 10th place to 1st place type rides. These first two rounds were tracks that a lot of guys are going real close to the same speed. BUT.....it makes for some really close racing that way too.
Well said
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Titan1 1/13/2019 8:45pm
1/13/2019 8:45pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2019 8:52pm
Carmichael changed the way people train.
Stewart changed the way people ride.
Did Dungey change the way guys race and manage championships?

Is the new normal to accept a 3rd or 4th if you aren’t feeling it (where in the past guys would have pushed it with a more “win or crash” menatility-RV seemed to have this).

I think dungey changed the sport.
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WCRider 1/15/2019 4:41am
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Seems like everybody but E.T. thinks the KX450 19 is the best MX bike Kawi has ever made.
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motomike137 1/15/2019 5:31am
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steve.hackler.1 wrote:
I thought it was a terrible track for passing. Everyone is running the same times. Track too easy for these guys.
The track was both easy and dangerous at the same time. The only thing it had going for it was its size. It was not a track where "beast mode" would get you positive results.

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motomike137 1/15/2019 5:35am
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Titan1 wrote:
Carmichael changed the way people train. Stewart changed the way people ride. Did Dungey change the way guys race and manage championships? Is the new normal...
Carmichael changed the way people train.
Stewart changed the way people ride.
Did Dungey change the way guys race and manage championships?

Is the new normal to accept a 3rd or 4th if you aren’t feeling it (where in the past guys would have pushed it with a more “win or crash” menatility-RV seemed to have this).

I think dungey changed the sport.
20/20 hindsight is what it is called. Ryan Dungey had that rare ability to ride at the edge of his ability without exceeding it and his ability/skill level was only ever threatened by Villopoto for the most part.
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PClaerhout 1/15/2019 6:24am
1/15/2019 6:24am
Hes in a good spot. The season doesnt start until Daytona lol.
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Squirrelings 1/15/2019 7:39am
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Todd_Dooley wrote:
I completely agree and your statement makes a lot of sense, the only problem with Eli trying to play the Dungey game is, Eli can't get...
I completely agree and your statement makes a lot of sense, the only problem with Eli trying to play the Dungey game is, Eli can't get a top 3 holeshot every race like Dungey could and like Kenny most likely will. I just thought he'd push harder to pass a guy that will most likely be starting in front of him. Still early
FYI, Tomac had the best average starting position of anyone last year. Better than Ken.
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Shaned9326 1/15/2019 9:24am
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J.T and Mathis’s we’re talking about it in the Glendale post race show as JT was saying he hasn’t seen that Tomac speed at all so far including practice, qualifying and the races and he was kinda surprised!! Damn, I just hope to see him dropping the hammer soon as when Eli opens it up it’s sure as hell fun to watch!!
Underground 1/15/2019 9:51am
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WCRider wrote:
Seems like everybody but E.T. thinks the KX450 19 is the best MX bike Kawi has ever made.
Be interesting to know how close to the 18 chassis set up they are or get. With the 19 engine of course. That 18 was dialed in
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TriRacer27 1/15/2019 10:01am
1/15/2019 10:01am
Shaned9326 wrote:
After watching race last nite was really suprised to not see our usual Tomac dropping the hammer pace last nite and especially after the stagger start!!
Well, he has 4000% more points after 2 rounds this year than he did last year, so I think he's off to a good start. He has 40 this year compared to 1 last year, and he only lost by 38, so he's in a good spot.

I believe this is what Tomac needs to do. We don't need to see blazing speed at this point. If he can put it in the top 5 every round before heading east, he'll be in a great spot.
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500guy 1/15/2019 10:17am
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2018 Tomac had 1 point after 2 rounds and was 48 points out from first lost the Championship by 38 points.

2019 Tomac has 40 points and is 4 points out from first.

Seems on pace to me. also after watching him close during the races He does show flashes of speed but seems to back it down.
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280driver 1/15/2019 3:25pm
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WCRider wrote:
Seems like everybody but E.T. thinks the KX450 19 is the best MX bike Kawi has ever made.
ET loves it as well. Said it was really an improvement for Supercross.
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Akira 1/15/2019 4:58pm
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eGGz wrote:
Tomac currently sits third in points. A paltry 4 points behind the current points leader (Roczen.) Seems like he is doing just fine.
kkawboy14 wrote:
I thought he was second four points down?
eGGz wrote:
01 Roczen 44 02 Barcia 43 03 Tomac 40 05 Wilson 34 06 Musquin 33 07 Anderson 32 08 Webb 31 09 Plessinger 29 10 Brayton...
01 Roczen 44
02 Barcia 43
03 Tomac 40
05 Wilson 34
06 Musquin 33
07 Anderson 32
08 Webb 31
09 Plessinger 29
10 Brayton 28
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kkawboy14 wrote:
I thought he was second four points down?
eGGz wrote:
01 Roczen 44 02 Barcia 43 03 Tomac 40 05 Wilson 34 06 Musquin 33 07 Anderson 32 08 Webb 31 09 Plessinger 29 10 Brayton...
01 Roczen 44
02 Barcia 43
03 Tomac 40
05 Wilson 34
06 Musquin 33
07 Anderson 32
08 Webb 31
09 Plessinger 29
10 Brayton 28
Akira wrote:
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Haha, love it. Laughing
jorgechavez 1/15/2019 6:04pm
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I think we're seeing that the rumors of him coming into the season with a bit of an injury are showing true.
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eGGz 1/15/2019 7:26pm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
I thought he was second four points down?
eGGz wrote:
01 Roczen 44 02 Barcia 43 03 Tomac 40 05 Wilson 34 06 Musquin 33 07 Anderson 32 08 Webb 31 09 Plessinger 29 10 Brayton...
01 Roczen 44
02 Barcia 43
03 Tomac 40
05 Wilson 34
06 Musquin 33
07 Anderson 32
08 Webb 31
09 Plessinger 29
10 Brayton 28
Akira wrote:
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OMG, you are right. I totally left off Blake Bagget in fourth position with 37 points.
Must remember to double check before posting.

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