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Whatever your thoughts are i'd encourage anyone to try it and say it's not bloody good fun. They're a ridiculously good time.

And if you think they're not a good workout you're not thinking it through. If you ride by yourself, or with other e-bikers, your speed increases, but if you're doing your max, you're doing your max. And going downhill they can be more work as the weight is higher.

Ride with normies, well yeah, you're not working as hard but you'd also be trying to not laugh while they yell at you so you know. Whatever.

You get more trails in the same time, and do it as fast as you can on a heavier bike.
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I would love to buy one but the biggest factory holding me back at the moment is the speed at which the bikes are evolving at...
I would love to buy one but the biggest factory holding me back at the moment is the speed at which the bikes are evolving at. I would hate to drop that kind of money and the battery and motor be old tech in less than two years. I believe this is already the case with Specialized and the batteries for the first gen bike that's what two years old?

The new batteries are already lighter and hold 40% more charge.
Ever owned a Ktm? Kidding haha but sort of the same deal. They come out with a new Ktm generation and factory edition every year and the tech becomes old so fast that it is super annoying. Mtb world is evolving twice as fast if not faster but if you keep waiting for the next best thing, you won’t be able to enjoy anything now. Go get a new bike!
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Love my turbo Levo
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Irony is motocrossers snubbing their noses at peddle-assist bikes Laughing
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Irony is motocrossers snubbing their noses at peddle-assist bikes Laughing
And parroting the same BS as enviro-Nazis so that e-bike riders won't beat their records on Strava. All of the best downhill trails in my area are technically illegal already because of elitist enviro nutjobs.. screw em!
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The the sur ron comes with pegs or pedals. It's badass for 3k
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ACBraap 1/1/2019 11:21pm
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Ramrod wrote:
Are Ebikes the four strokes of that industry?

Very much so, if not worse.
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Ebikes are great for disabled people and older people who both want to ride.
For younger able body riders...oh dear. God gave you legs, use them!
If you don't want to work hard or feel the leg burn then why pick mtb'ing?
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.kyle wrote:
Ebikes are great for disabled people and older people who both want to ride. For younger able body riders...oh dear. God gave you legs, use them...
Ebikes are great for disabled people and older people who both want to ride.
For younger able body riders...oh dear. God gave you legs, use them!
If you don't want to work hard or feel the leg burn then why pick mtb'ing?
Try one. Tell me it's not more fun.

And again, if you're putting in your max effort, then aren't you putting in your max effort? You're just going faster.
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My issue would be lack of riding areas now/in the future. Several areas such as Moab do not allow E-bikes and I'm not sure if other areas may ban them in the future as well.

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I’m excited to get one! Great for the low heart rate training days. My knees and hips are going to enjoy it. Sounds like a great thing to ride on hot summer days
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I'd like to get one as soon as finances allow.

I work a blue-collar job and am on my feet all day. An e-bike could allow me to do that kind of work and still get a lot of MTB riding in.

Call me a weenie if you like, but one day I went to the moto track after push mowing grass all day. My legs cramped up and I was barely able to fend off a 15 year old on a 125.

I'm not sure if I would go Levo or Kenevo. I'd likely go for the base model. I have a Kona Process for any trails that do not allow e-bikes.

Anything that allows people to get exercise and enjoy nature should be a good thing for the economy and reduce health care expenses.



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Intense Tazer. $7500. Shimano drive. Japanese refinement. If youre gonna go to the dark side, support the little guys. The owner jeff steber is moto too.
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Harv379 wrote:
^ He's referring to the new Levo, and the 40% thing hasn't proven itself in real world tests, that new motor is also hella noisy... It...
^ He's referring to the new Levo, and the 40% thing hasn't proven itself in real world tests, that new motor is also hella noisy... It is lighter though. I rode one before buying my Kenevo. I work in the mtb industry and was able to get this at cost. After demo'ing multiple different e-bikes I was hooked. I have only ridden the normal bike once since getting it. It's a blast. I ride way more, and have more fun when I do. There's nothing like popping off stuff up hill and braking into uphill corners. And of course, riding 3x the distance in the same amount of time and effort. I get a better upper body work out, and it's gotten me into better shape because I ride more. She weighs 50lbs vs my 28lb carbon Enduro, which actually cost more. If you're in the market for an MTB, definitely go assist. It's the most fun I've had with a two wheeler in a long time.

How does the base Kenevo compare to the upgraded model?

Is it worth saving up the extra $2,000?
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MotoMo165 1/2/2019 2:34pm
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E bikes simply allow casual riders to ride with more serious riders. Honestly they’re helping mountain biking grow. You can still get a work out on them, just not as quick... e bikes are super fun just takes away the whole fitness side of mountain biking
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Richard Tease II 1/2/2019 3:00pm
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They really have allowed roller bladers to get the courage up to get back on two wheels and get out there
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Impossible to try one and not come off with a grin! Unless you are into spandex and shaved legs then yeah maybe that’s not for you.
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Bry145 1/2/2019 3:19pm
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Will e-bikes take a bite out of motocross' piece of the outdoor recreation economic pie? If so, an already hurting sport could be put out to pasture in the next 5-10.

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I rode one once and I can see the addiction,and can see the noobs on emtb on the trails that I ride.
Noobs that have a bike that can get them up a hill they aren't skilled enough to go down, that don't have trail etiquette, that hasten the closure of the trails I ride on that are at risk already.

Several of the trails near me are banned for emtb use anyways after they were deemed more motorcycle than bicycle.

That doesn't mean I don't want one, just not a fan of having new mountain bike riders that are less serious about learning about shared use rules necessary to keep trails open.

Genie is out of the bottle - so expect more ebikes not less.
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zehn wrote:
Irony is motocrossers snubbing their noses at peddle-assist bikes Laughing
BikeGuy321 wrote:
And parroting the same BS as enviro-Nazis so that e-bike riders won't beat their records on Strava. All of the best downhill trails in my area...
And parroting the same BS as enviro-Nazis so that e-bike riders won't beat their records on Strava. All of the best downhill trails in my area are technically illegal already because of elitist enviro nutjobs.. screw em!
somehow they think they can become allies with the enviro-Nazis and not get everything shut down. It's madness...the unambiguous published goals of the tree huggers is generally complete closure of trails to all but foot traffic - at most.

I hate quads and side-by-sides in my riding areas, but I'm not stupid enough to try to get them banned (I just go higher up and more remote to single track that they can't get to).

E-bikes are awesome, and like I've said in other threads, the loudest complainers are (likely) the guys that simply can't afford them. Funny how that works...
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jo2910 wrote:
Impossible to try one and not come off with a grin! Unless you are into spandex and shaved legs then yeah maybe that’s not for you.
Lol...well said
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MotoMo165 wrote:
E bikes simply allow casual riders to ride with more serious riders. Honestly they’re helping mountain biking grow. You can still get a work out on...
E bikes simply allow casual riders to ride with more serious riders. Honestly they’re helping mountain biking grow. You can still get a work out on them, just not as quick... e bikes are super fun just takes away the whole fitness side of mountain biking
I was with you until the last statement. Not true that they take away the fitness side - the dudes I ride with go higher, further, faster than "regular" mountain bikes. They're gnarly riders, and they ride 3-4x per week.

The coolest thing about the e-bike is that a guy like me with a desk job and too much time traveling for work can modulate the E-bike's power to keep up with them (while at my limit). They're the great equalizer, allowing people with differing levels of fitness to still ride together and have a blast.

Oh, and we rarely see other riders, since we're at higher elevation where very few people will ever ride. We occasionally see some uber-gnarly mountain bikers, but it's not often...
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2018 Specialized Levo. Funnest mountain bike I've ever owned, and I can ride farther and longer without bonking my HR off the rev limiter all the time.

All the shit talkers hate the very existence of these bikes, until they ride one...
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Harv379 wrote:
^ He's referring to the new Levo, and the 40% thing hasn't proven itself in real world tests, that new motor is also hella noisy... It...
^ He's referring to the new Levo, and the 40% thing hasn't proven itself in real world tests, that new motor is also hella noisy... It is lighter though. I rode one before buying my Kenevo. I work in the mtb industry and was able to get this at cost. After demo'ing multiple different e-bikes I was hooked. I have only ridden the normal bike once since getting it. It's a blast. I ride way more, and have more fun when I do. There's nothing like popping off stuff up hill and braking into uphill corners. And of course, riding 3x the distance in the same amount of time and effort. I get a better upper body work out, and it's gotten me into better shape because I ride more. She weighs 50lbs vs my 28lb carbon Enduro, which actually cost more. If you're in the market for an MTB, definitely go assist. It's the most fun I've had with a two wheeler in a long time.

Specialized had problems with the new Turbo Levo motors making some noise, they pulled them off the market until the problems could be fixed.

Mine is completely silent.
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You guys that have had them for a while, does the e-assist effect the desired range of suspension travel or is it still just as easy to be over-biked for your local trails? I ask because I see these bikes ranging from hardtails to 180mm travel. I have a 180mm YT Capra and it‘s just not a great every day trail bike, I much prefer my 29er hardtail unless it’s bike park riding. My next bike would be a 120-140mm 29er. Does the same rule of thumb apply to e-bikes or is it different and the 160-180mm design doesn’t have the same drawbacks?
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nytsmaC wrote:
You guys that have had them for a while, does the e-assist effect the desired range of suspension travel or is it still just as easy...
You guys that have had them for a while, does the e-assist effect the desired range of suspension travel or is it still just as easy to be over-biked for your local trails? I ask because I see these bikes ranging from hardtails to 180mm travel. I have a 180mm YT Capra and it‘s just not a great every day trail bike, I much prefer my 29er hardtail unless it’s bike park riding. My next bike would be a 120-140mm 29er. Does the same rule of thumb apply to e-bikes or is it different and the 160-180mm design doesn’t have the same drawbacks?
Same general rule would apply I would say. Except the major drawback of your Capra would probably be on the climbs while on the E bike the engine would take some of that off. But they are heavy already so if you go for a Kenevo for example it would be even harder to pop and feel playful.

A levo sounds about the right bike for an ebike. Don’t go for huge fat tires though that dulls the riding and flexes too much. A 2.6 casing sounds about right.

One drawback is if you ride with friends that don’t have an ebike then you are just waiting around too much when you could be exploring so much more
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Bike Rat 1/3/2019 7:32am
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nytsmaC wrote:
You guys that have had them for a while, does the e-assist effect the desired range of suspension travel or is it still just as easy...
You guys that have had them for a while, does the e-assist effect the desired range of suspension travel or is it still just as easy to be over-biked for your local trails? I ask because I see these bikes ranging from hardtails to 180mm travel. I have a 180mm YT Capra and it‘s just not a great every day trail bike, I much prefer my 29er hardtail unless it’s bike park riding. My next bike would be a 120-140mm 29er. Does the same rule of thumb apply to e-bikes or is it different and the 160-180mm design doesn’t have the same drawbacks?
That new canyon 29 e bike looks bad ass and retails in the 3 k range. I’ll never waste my money on carbon fiber again
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Bike Rat wrote:
That new canyon 29 e bike looks bad ass and retails in the 3 k range. I’ll never waste my money on carbon fiber again
Is that available in the US yet?
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