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inthebadboycorner 9/3/2018 3:04am
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drt410 wrote:
Pastrana has never even won a big bike main event. Most people don't know this fact, think about that... He is undoubtably the most overrated racer...
Pastrana has never even won a big bike main event. Most people don't know this fact, think about that... He is undoubtably the most overrated racer (mx,sx) of all time, sorry. Its indisputable, he hasn't won 1 single main event, not 1, in his entire career. He wasn't as talented or in shape- hes the first to say he wasn't in shape, as the other (racers) and it cost him big time. He has loadddds of talent on a motorcycle, just not the type conducive of RACING successfully.... and it caught up to him big time. Because of his short comings he would have to just go balls to the freaking walls wayyy over his head/ability to try to compete and would end up wadding himself... every time.

When it comes to purely natural all around ability on a motorcycle he is second to none, but that is not what wins races. He does not have the type of (talent) on a bike that lends itself to laying down precision laps with precision lap times. If you want someone to walk up to a random hill out in the woods and figure out a way to gap it when you just built the takeoff right there and its never been hit before.... nobody could do it better than him. When it comes to picking the best race lines, hitting those EXACT lines lap after lap with laser like precision, and laying down lap times that fall within hundreds of a second of each other.... over and over and over for 30 minutes straight and then have the fitness to do it when your deathly tired at the end of the race and still need that same precision, he aint your guy.... at all and never has been. His racing career he tried to skate by with having less fear than everybody else lol along with that random natural talent where he can just make shit happen on a bike. That can get you a championship in the 125 class... but absolutely not in the 250 class. He was doomed.. he knew it too thats why he went over to freestyle which there is nothing wrong with he was the greatest of all time over there. Its kind of unfortunate that freestyle died off and now its just back to racing again, but Im not complaining as that is the core of our sport... the grassroots.

Again Im not ripping on him he is the all around GOAT on a motorcycle when it comes to the sheer amount of record setting things he can do that nobody else can do. Its just when it comes to racing he was probably below average when your talking top level riders when it came to race ability and fitness. He tried for a few years to make up for this by just closing his eyes and pinning it and trying to just have bigger balls than everyone else, but thats never going to win a championship on the big bikes, and it didn't even win him 1 main event. So he saw the writing on the walls and he took his talents somewhere else and absolutely thrived over there and became even more of a household name than he would have racing. In that respect Im proud of him he got to have fun, become a legend, and then moved on to other sports too. Hes had a great career on motorcycles overall. Lots of injuries haha but a great career that he would have been unable to have had he stayed racing.
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UpTiTe 9/3/2018 5:12am
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Ward , Glover , Barnett ..... The list goes on.
Ward rode Honda minis, Glover rode for FMF Honda his rookie year and Barnett rode a privateer Honda his rookie year before signing with Suzuki.
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Squirrelings 9/3/2018 5:38am
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Racer111 wrote:
Stewart, Dungey, Bell, Anderson, Villopoto....

What a dumbass question.
Squirrelings wrote:
Ummm Roczen is on red right now.
Auxdemon wrote:
he won his European and us championships on ktm and he didnt ride a honda until 3 years after his last one.
Thanks for that info. I’ve been living under a rock for the past ten years. Could’ve sworn he was on a Honda the whole time.
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Yeah, but the poor guy has hardly gotten to ride it.
That doesn’t change the fact that you were wrong.
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drt410 wrote:
Pastrana has never even won a big bike main event. Most people don't know this fact, think about that... He is undoubtably the most overrated racer...
Pastrana has never even won a big bike main event. Most people don't know this fact, think about that... He is undoubtably the most overrated racer (mx,sx) of all time, sorry. Its indisputable, he hasn't won 1 single main event, not 1, in his entire career. He wasn't as talented or in shape- hes the first to say he wasn't in shape, as the other (racers) and it cost him big time. He has loadddds of talent on a motorcycle, just not the type conducive of RACING successfully.... and it caught up to him big time. Because of his short comings he would have to just go balls to the freaking walls wayyy over his head/ability to try to compete and would end up wadding himself... every time.

When it comes to purely natural all around ability on a motorcycle he is second to none, but that is not what wins races. He does not have the type of (talent) on a bike that lends itself to laying down precision laps with precision lap times. If you want someone to walk up to a random hill out in the woods and figure out a way to gap it when you just built the takeoff right there and its never been hit before.... nobody could do it better than him. When it comes to picking the best race lines, hitting those EXACT lines lap after lap with laser like precision, and laying down lap times that fall within hundreds of a second of each other.... over and over and over for 30 minutes straight and then have the fitness to do it when your deathly tired at the end of the race and still need that same precision, he aint your guy.... at all and never has been. His racing career he tried to skate by with having less fear than everybody else lol along with that random natural talent where he can just make shit happen on a bike. That can get you a championship in the 125 class... but absolutely not in the 250 class. He was doomed.. he knew it too thats why he went over to freestyle which there is nothing wrong with he was the greatest of all time over there. Its kind of unfortunate that freestyle died off and now its just back to racing again, but Im not complaining as that is the core of our sport... the grassroots.

Again Im not ripping on him he is the all around GOAT on a motorcycle when it comes to the sheer amount of record setting things he can do that nobody else can do. Its just when it comes to racing he was probably below average when your talking top level riders when it came to race ability and fitness. He tried for a few years to make up for this by just closing his eyes and pinning it and trying to just have bigger balls than everyone else, but thats never going to win a championship on the big bikes, and it didn't even win him 1 main event. So he saw the writing on the walls and he took his talents somewhere else and absolutely thrived over there and became even more of a household name than he would have racing. In that respect Im proud of him he got to have fun, become a legend, and then moved on to other sports too. Hes had a great career on motorcycles overall. Lots of injuries haha but a great career that he would have been unable to have had he stayed racing.
NorCal 50+ wrote:
That's a harsh assessment of Travis' mx and sx skills. You don't get a 125 MX championship in your rookie year and back it up with...
That's a harsh assessment of Travis' mx and sx skills. You don't get a 125 MX championship in your rookie year and back it up with an indoor title by just screwing around. The guy came into the sport at the highest level, but unfortunately his riding style did contribute to his short career. That head-pounding crash at Unadilla seems to have done him in. He saw a future as the greatest action sports rider of all time, rather than banging his head against the wall in the big bike class. It is a shame he never got a win- crazy in fact.
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motonation24 9/3/2018 6:15am
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Stewart, Dungey, Bell, Anderson, Villopoto....

What a dumbass question.
Who is Bell ? Zach Bell ?
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drt410 wrote:
Pastrana has never even won a big bike main event. Most people don't know this fact, think about that... He is undoubtably the most overrated racer...
Pastrana has never even won a big bike main event. Most people don't know this fact, think about that... He is undoubtably the most overrated racer (mx,sx) of all time, sorry. Its indisputable, he hasn't won 1 single main event, not 1, in his entire career. He wasn't as talented or in shape- hes the first to say he wasn't in shape, as the other (racers) and it cost him big time. He has loadddds of talent on a motorcycle, just not the type conducive of RACING successfully.... and it caught up to him big time. Because of his short comings he would have to just go balls to the freaking walls wayyy over his head/ability to try to compete and would end up wadding himself... every time.

When it comes to purely natural all around ability on a motorcycle he is second to none, but that is not what wins races. He does not have the type of (talent) on a bike that lends itself to laying down precision laps with precision lap times. If you want someone to walk up to a random hill out in the woods and figure out a way to gap it when you just built the takeoff right there and its never been hit before.... nobody could do it better than him. When it comes to picking the best race lines, hitting those EXACT lines lap after lap with laser like precision, and laying down lap times that fall within hundreds of a second of each other.... over and over and over for 30 minutes straight and then have the fitness to do it when your deathly tired at the end of the race and still need that same precision, he aint your guy.... at all and never has been. His racing career he tried to skate by with having less fear than everybody else lol along with that random natural talent where he can just make shit happen on a bike. That can get you a championship in the 125 class... but absolutely not in the 250 class. He was doomed.. he knew it too thats why he went over to freestyle which there is nothing wrong with he was the greatest of all time over there. Its kind of unfortunate that freestyle died off and now its just back to racing again, but Im not complaining as that is the core of our sport... the grassroots.

Again Im not ripping on him he is the all around GOAT on a motorcycle when it comes to the sheer amount of record setting things he can do that nobody else can do. Its just when it comes to racing he was probably below average when your talking top level riders when it came to race ability and fitness. He tried for a few years to make up for this by just closing his eyes and pinning it and trying to just have bigger balls than everyone else, but thats never going to win a championship on the big bikes, and it didn't even win him 1 main event. So he saw the writing on the walls and he took his talents somewhere else and absolutely thrived over there and became even more of a household name than he would have racing. In that respect Im proud of him he got to have fun, become a legend, and then moved on to other sports too. Hes had a great career on motorcycles overall. Lots of injuries haha but a great career that he would have been unable to have had he stayed racing.
NorCal 50+ wrote:
That's a harsh assessment of Travis' mx and sx skills. You don't get a 125 MX championship in your rookie year and back it up with...
That's a harsh assessment of Travis' mx and sx skills. You don't get a 125 MX championship in your rookie year and back it up with an indoor title by just screwing around. The guy came into the sport at the highest level, but unfortunately his riding style did contribute to his short career. That head-pounding crash at Unadilla seems to have done him in. He saw a future as the greatest action sports rider of all time, rather than banging his head against the wall in the big bike class. It is a shame he never got a win- crazy in fact.
I dont think so. Again he had a ton of natural ability on a motorcycle. Natural ability and huge nuts were enough to win the 125 class back in the day before all this insane next level training they do these days. He was fit, just not dedicate your entire life to the gym and blood work, heart rate measurements, lung capacity, oxygen concentrations...fit. He even said in a interview he hated training so he wasnt the most fit rider out there and he also said that he wasnt as good as other riders in certain areas on the track so he knew if he closed his eyes and pinned it he could make up big time in the whoops. This comes back to using his lack of fear to his advantage. He would just do shit that other riders werent willing to do because of the injury risk... leading to him either making up time, or crashing his balls off. He cant even scrub today... still, that shows that he isnt a racing guru he just has big nuts. Im surprised he cant scrub still seeing that local 65 kids can and he has a foam pit in his back yard. I know for a fact those 65cc kids cant do a double backflip so he should be able to do it, it just must not be something he ever practices. Scrubbing in pretty easy though, its easier than throwing huge whips so I would imagine he could learn it fairly easy idk how he has not.
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wreckitrandy wrote:
Glover rode DG Hondas before Yamahas.
Sully wrote:
The Bomber rode Elsinores before he signed with Suzuki, too
Sully you are spot on regarding the Bomber riding Hondas in the early days. He rode a modified XR 75 in 74,75. He rode sleeved down 100cc Elsinores and 125cc Elsinore from 76-77 before the Suzuki days. Witnessed personally at K&R raceway, Red Bud, IL tracks etc. He rode through B & E Honda in Valparaiso IN. Still in business today. Danny Bell appeared to be the hot rod engine guy back then in NW Indiana for Bomber.
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inthebadboycorner 9/3/2018 2:27pm
9/3/2018 2:27pm
Racer111 wrote:
Stewart, Dungey, Bell, Anderson, Villopoto....

What a dumbass question.
motonation24 wrote:
Who is Bell ? Zach Bell ?
Mike " too tall " Bell, 1980 SX Champion on a Yamaha.
It appears he never rode Red.
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Ward , Glover , Barnett ..... The list goes on.
Barnett rode red in amateur for B&E Cyle Sales. He was my dads teammate. I should know as my family owns half of B&E
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Barnett rode red in amateur for B&E Cyle Sales. He was my dads teammate. I should know as my family owns half of B&E
Did B&E have a shop in Crawfordsville, IN at one time. I knew Mark rode for B&E, but for some reason I was thinking out of Crawfordsville, not Valpo. And yes, Danny Bell could build a rocket, reliability, not so much; but power, absolutely.

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drt410 wrote:
I dont think so. Again he had a ton of natural ability on a motorcycle. Natural ability and huge nuts were enough to win the 125...
I dont think so. Again he had a ton of natural ability on a motorcycle. Natural ability and huge nuts were enough to win the 125 class back in the day before all this insane next level training they do these days. He was fit, just not dedicate your entire life to the gym and blood work, heart rate measurements, lung capacity, oxygen concentrations...fit. He even said in a interview he hated training so he wasnt the most fit rider out there and he also said that he wasnt as good as other riders in certain areas on the track so he knew if he closed his eyes and pinned it he could make up big time in the whoops. This comes back to using his lack of fear to his advantage. He would just do shit that other riders werent willing to do because of the injury risk... leading to him either making up time, or crashing his balls off. He cant even scrub today... still, that shows that he isnt a racing guru he just has big nuts. Im surprised he cant scrub still seeing that local 65 kids can and he has a foam pit in his back yard. I know for a fact those 65cc kids cant do a double backflip so he should be able to do it, it just must not be something he ever practices. Scrubbing in pretty easy though, its easier than throwing huge whips so I would imagine he could learn it fairly easy idk how he has not.
“He just has big nuts”

Really that’s it ? thats all TP has. Got it
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NorCal 50+ 9/3/2018 9:51pm
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drt410 wrote:
Pastrana has never even won a big bike main event. Most people don't know this fact, think about that... He is undoubtably the most overrated racer...
Pastrana has never even won a big bike main event. Most people don't know this fact, think about that... He is undoubtably the most overrated racer (mx,sx) of all time, sorry. Its indisputable, he hasn't won 1 single main event, not 1, in his entire career. He wasn't as talented or in shape- hes the first to say he wasn't in shape, as the other (racers) and it cost him big time. He has loadddds of talent on a motorcycle, just not the type conducive of RACING successfully.... and it caught up to him big time. Because of his short comings he would have to just go balls to the freaking walls wayyy over his head/ability to try to compete and would end up wadding himself... every time.

When it comes to purely natural all around ability on a motorcycle he is second to none, but that is not what wins races. He does not have the type of (talent) on a bike that lends itself to laying down precision laps with precision lap times. If you want someone to walk up to a random hill out in the woods and figure out a way to gap it when you just built the takeoff right there and its never been hit before.... nobody could do it better than him. When it comes to picking the best race lines, hitting those EXACT lines lap after lap with laser like precision, and laying down lap times that fall within hundreds of a second of each other.... over and over and over for 30 minutes straight and then have the fitness to do it when your deathly tired at the end of the race and still need that same precision, he aint your guy.... at all and never has been. His racing career he tried to skate by with having less fear than everybody else lol along with that random natural talent where he can just make shit happen on a bike. That can get you a championship in the 125 class... but absolutely not in the 250 class. He was doomed.. he knew it too thats why he went over to freestyle which there is nothing wrong with he was the greatest of all time over there. Its kind of unfortunate that freestyle died off and now its just back to racing again, but Im not complaining as that is the core of our sport... the grassroots.

Again Im not ripping on him he is the all around GOAT on a motorcycle when it comes to the sheer amount of record setting things he can do that nobody else can do. Its just when it comes to racing he was probably below average when your talking top level riders when it came to race ability and fitness. He tried for a few years to make up for this by just closing his eyes and pinning it and trying to just have bigger balls than everyone else, but thats never going to win a championship on the big bikes, and it didn't even win him 1 main event. So he saw the writing on the walls and he took his talents somewhere else and absolutely thrived over there and became even more of a household name than he would have racing. In that respect Im proud of him he got to have fun, become a legend, and then moved on to other sports too. Hes had a great career on motorcycles overall. Lots of injuries haha but a great career that he would have been unable to have had he stayed racing.
NorCal 50+ wrote:
That's a harsh assessment of Travis' mx and sx skills. You don't get a 125 MX championship in your rookie year and back it up with...
That's a harsh assessment of Travis' mx and sx skills. You don't get a 125 MX championship in your rookie year and back it up with an indoor title by just screwing around. The guy came into the sport at the highest level, but unfortunately his riding style did contribute to his short career. That head-pounding crash at Unadilla seems to have done him in. He saw a future as the greatest action sports rider of all time, rather than banging his head against the wall in the big bike class. It is a shame he never got a win- crazy in fact.
drt410 wrote:
I dont think so. Again he had a ton of natural ability on a motorcycle. Natural ability and huge nuts were enough to win the 125...
I dont think so. Again he had a ton of natural ability on a motorcycle. Natural ability and huge nuts were enough to win the 125 class back in the day before all this insane next level training they do these days. He was fit, just not dedicate your entire life to the gym and blood work, heart rate measurements, lung capacity, oxygen concentrations...fit. He even said in a interview he hated training so he wasnt the most fit rider out there and he also said that he wasnt as good as other riders in certain areas on the track so he knew if he closed his eyes and pinned it he could make up big time in the whoops. This comes back to using his lack of fear to his advantage. He would just do shit that other riders werent willing to do because of the injury risk... leading to him either making up time, or crashing his balls off. He cant even scrub today... still, that shows that he isnt a racing guru he just has big nuts. Im surprised he cant scrub still seeing that local 65 kids can and he has a foam pit in his back yard. I know for a fact those 65cc kids cant do a double backflip so he should be able to do it, it just must not be something he ever practices. Scrubbing in pretty easy though, its easier than throwing huge whips so I would imagine he could learn it fairly easy idk how he has not.
I'm too lazy to link his IG, but Travis is ripping on the RM so he will be fast at MXDN. It should be a blast to watch.
But I don't know where you're getting that he raced in some easier time and that's how he pulled a #1 plate his rookie year.. Matthes just did a big feature on how gnarly the 2001 outdoor 125 series was. Travis lost that year but he was at the top of his game when he crashed out of the sport. One thing about this guy is he is a chameleon who will surprise you. Cheerful
WheelieNelson 9/4/2018 1:28am
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drt410 wrote:
Pastrana has never even won a big bike main event. Most people don't know this fact, think about that... He is undoubtably the most overrated racer...
Pastrana has never even won a big bike main event. Most people don't know this fact, think about that... He is undoubtably the most overrated racer (mx,sx) of all time, sorry. Its indisputable, he hasn't won 1 single main event, not 1, in his entire career. He wasn't as talented or in shape- hes the first to say he wasn't in shape, as the other (racers) and it cost him big time. He has loadddds of talent on a motorcycle, just not the type conducive of RACING successfully.... and it caught up to him big time. Because of his short comings he would have to just go balls to the freaking walls wayyy over his head/ability to try to compete and would end up wadding himself... every time.

When it comes to purely natural all around ability on a motorcycle he is second to none, but that is not what wins races. He does not have the type of (talent) on a bike that lends itself to laying down precision laps with precision lap times. If you want someone to walk up to a random hill out in the woods and figure out a way to gap it when you just built the takeoff right there and its never been hit before.... nobody could do it better than him. When it comes to picking the best race lines, hitting those EXACT lines lap after lap with laser like precision, and laying down lap times that fall within hundreds of a second of each other.... over and over and over for 30 minutes straight and then have the fitness to do it when your deathly tired at the end of the race and still need that same precision, he aint your guy.... at all and never has been. His racing career he tried to skate by with having less fear than everybody else lol along with that random natural talent where he can just make shit happen on a bike. That can get you a championship in the 125 class... but absolutely not in the 250 class. He was doomed.. he knew it too thats why he went over to freestyle which there is nothing wrong with he was the greatest of all time over there. Its kind of unfortunate that freestyle died off and now its just back to racing again, but Im not complaining as that is the core of our sport... the grassroots.

Again Im not ripping on him he is the all around GOAT on a motorcycle when it comes to the sheer amount of record setting things he can do that nobody else can do. Its just when it comes to racing he was probably below average when your talking top level riders when it came to race ability and fitness. He tried for a few years to make up for this by just closing his eyes and pinning it and trying to just have bigger balls than everyone else, but thats never going to win a championship on the big bikes, and it didn't even win him 1 main event. So he saw the writing on the walls and he took his talents somewhere else and absolutely thrived over there and became even more of a household name than he would have racing. In that respect Im proud of him he got to have fun, become a legend, and then moved on to other sports too. Hes had a great career on motorcycles overall. Lots of injuries haha but a great career that he would have been unable to have had he stayed racing.
NorCal 50+ wrote:
That's a harsh assessment of Travis' mx and sx skills. You don't get a 125 MX championship in your rookie year and back it up with...
That's a harsh assessment of Travis' mx and sx skills. You don't get a 125 MX championship in your rookie year and back it up with an indoor title by just screwing around. The guy came into the sport at the highest level, but unfortunately his riding style did contribute to his short career. That head-pounding crash at Unadilla seems to have done him in. He saw a future as the greatest action sports rider of all time, rather than banging his head against the wall in the big bike class. It is a shame he never got a win- crazy in fact.
drt410 wrote:
I dont think so. Again he had a ton of natural ability on a motorcycle. Natural ability and huge nuts were enough to win the 125...
I dont think so. Again he had a ton of natural ability on a motorcycle. Natural ability and huge nuts were enough to win the 125 class back in the day before all this insane next level training they do these days. He was fit, just not dedicate your entire life to the gym and blood work, heart rate measurements, lung capacity, oxygen concentrations...fit. He even said in a interview he hated training so he wasnt the most fit rider out there and he also said that he wasnt as good as other riders in certain areas on the track so he knew if he closed his eyes and pinned it he could make up big time in the whoops. This comes back to using his lack of fear to his advantage. He would just do shit that other riders werent willing to do because of the injury risk... leading to him either making up time, or crashing his balls off. He cant even scrub today... still, that shows that he isnt a racing guru he just has big nuts. Im surprised he cant scrub still seeing that local 65 kids can and he has a foam pit in his back yard. I know for a fact those 65cc kids cant do a double backflip so he should be able to do it, it just must not be something he ever practices. Scrubbing in pretty easy though, its easier than throwing huge whips so I would imagine he could learn it fairly easy idk how he has not.
Why'd you come in this thread just to bash pastrana? I vividly remember pastrana wheelieing, wheel tapping, jumping shit that no one else was doing. The guy was loaded with talent and balance on the mx track and had his own style that worked. Scrubbing was after his time really, the only person in his era doing it was James himself so the scrub argument is irrelevant. sure he crashed a bit on 250s but so does almost every other guy their first year on big bikes. I don't remember Ricky setting the world on fire his first year on 250's either. IMO it wasn't lack of talent that ended Travis's racing, it was all the other Fun things that he loved doing that sometime jacked him up. He blew out both knees in x games step up in the middle of a mx season.
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redrider_714 9/4/2018 8:24am
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Did B&E have a shop in Crawfordsville, IN at one time. I knew Mark rode for B&E, but for some reason I was thinking out of...
Did B&E have a shop in Crawfordsville, IN at one time. I knew Mark rode for B&E, but for some reason I was thinking out of Crawfordsville, not Valpo. And yes, Danny Bell could build a rocket, reliability, not so much; but power, absolutely.

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No they have always been in Valpo
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PRM31 9/4/2018 12:47pm
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TP199 may not have had the career racing MX/SX he envisioned, but questioning his talent seems a bit absurd.
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Did B&E have a shop in Crawfordsville, IN at one time. I knew Mark rode for B&E, but for some reason I was thinking out of...
Did B&E have a shop in Crawfordsville, IN at one time. I knew Mark rode for B&E, but for some reason I was thinking out of Crawfordsville, not Valpo. And yes, Danny Bell could build a rocket, reliability, not so much; but power, absolutely.

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redrider_714 wrote:
No they have always been in Valpo
So for me at 59 to refresh my memory from a family member as you I am recalling B & E Honda in Valpo IN today as the Birky & Erwin families. Correct?
Kudos to your family old/new school business. I clearly recall the original shop at the west side of Valpo on US SR 130?
Keep up the good work on family business as it has been 8 years since I have been there,
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redrider_714 9/5/2018 12:48am
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ktmfun219 wrote:
So for me at 59 to refresh my memory from a family member as you I am recalling B & E Honda in Valpo IN today...
So for me at 59 to refresh my memory from a family member as you I am recalling B & E Honda in Valpo IN today as the Birky & Erwin families. Correct?
Kudos to your family old/new school business. I clearly recall the original shop at the west side of Valpo on US SR 130?
Keep up the good work on family business as it has been 8 years since I have been there,
Previous lifetime resident Crown Point.
You are correct. My grandfather, Eugene Birky, and Ralph Erwin started out on 130. The Honda Shop then moved to its current location on Route 30. The building on 130 became B&E Body Shop, which my father(Robert Birky) owns.
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Lightning78 11/9/2018 1:02pm
11/9/2018 1:02pm
drt410 wrote:
Pastrana has never even won a big bike main event. Most people don't know this fact, think about that... He is undoubtably the most overrated racer...
Pastrana has never even won a big bike main event. Most people don't know this fact, think about that... He is undoubtably the most overrated racer (mx,sx) of all time, sorry. Its indisputable, he hasn't won 1 single main event, not 1, in his entire career. He wasn't as talented or in shape- hes the first to say he wasn't in shape, as the other (racers) and it cost him big time. He has loadddds of talent on a motorcycle, just not the type conducive of RACING successfully.... and it caught up to him big time. Because of his short comings he would have to just go balls to the freaking walls wayyy over his head/ability to try to compete and would end up wadding himself... every time.

When it comes to purely natural all around ability on a motorcycle he is second to none, but that is not what wins races. He does not have the type of (talent) on a bike that lends itself to laying down precision laps with precision lap times. If you want someone to walk up to a random hill out in the woods and figure out a way to gap it when you just built the takeoff right there and its never been hit before.... nobody could do it better than him. When it comes to picking the best race lines, hitting those EXACT lines lap after lap with laser like precision, and laying down lap times that fall within hundreds of a second of each other.... over and over and over for 30 minutes straight and then have the fitness to do it when your deathly tired at the end of the race and still need that same precision, he aint your guy.... at all and never has been. His racing career he tried to skate by with having less fear than everybody else lol along with that random natural talent where he can just make shit happen on a bike. That can get you a championship in the 125 class... but absolutely not in the 250 class. He was doomed.. he knew it too thats why he went over to freestyle which there is nothing wrong with he was the greatest of all time over there. Its kind of unfortunate that freestyle died off and now its just back to racing again, but Im not complaining as that is the core of our sport... the grassroots.

Again Im not ripping on him he is the all around GOAT on a motorcycle when it comes to the sheer amount of record setting things he can do that nobody else can do. Its just when it comes to racing he was probably below average when your talking top level riders when it came to race ability and fitness. He tried for a few years to make up for this by just closing his eyes and pinning it and trying to just have bigger balls than everyone else, but thats never going to win a championship on the big bikes, and it didn't even win him 1 main event. So he saw the writing on the walls and he took his talents somewhere else and absolutely thrived over there and became even more of a household name than he would have racing. In that respect Im proud of him he got to have fun, become a legend, and then moved on to other sports too. Hes had a great career on motorcycles overall. Lots of injuries haha but a great career that he would have been unable to have had he stayed racing.
Bottom line ..... He can't bottom A-Kit so he's probably not that talented. It's a litmus test for talent .... Everybody knows that in here
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devindavisphoto 11/9/2018 1:05pm
11/9/2018 1:05pm
PRM31 wrote:
TP199 may not have had the career racing MX/SX he envisioned, but questioning his talent seems a bit absurd.
This counts, right? TP is out Laughing

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magoo1982 11/9/2018 1:34pm
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ktmfun219 wrote:
So for me at 59 to refresh my memory from a family member as you I am recalling B & E Honda in Valpo IN today...
So for me at 59 to refresh my memory from a family member as you I am recalling B & E Honda in Valpo IN today as the Birky & Erwin families. Correct?
Kudos to your family old/new school business. I clearly recall the original shop at the west side of Valpo on US SR 130?
Keep up the good work on family business as it has been 8 years since I have been there,
Previous lifetime resident Crown Point.
redrider_714 wrote:
You are correct. My grandfather, Eugene Birky, and Ralph Erwin started out on 130. The Honda Shop then moved to its current location on Route 30...
You are correct. My grandfather, Eugene Birky, and Ralph Erwin started out on 130. The Honda Shop then moved to its current location on Route 30. The building on 130 became B&E Body Shop, which my father(Robert Birky) owns.
Barnett used to show up once in a while at Haspin Acres in Southeastern Indiana on that Honda . He would sit in his van with stereo cranked get out , smoke everybody hop back in van crank up stereo . get out and do it again ...
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magoo1982 11/9/2018 1:38pm
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Don't remember Jammin Jimmy , Tony D , Heikki Mikkola and several others ridin Hondas .
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Johnny Depp 11/9/2018 3:48pm
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Stackable and Howerton from Texas alone. Just ask TYLER.
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ktmfun219 wrote:
So for me at 59 to refresh my memory from a family member as you I am recalling B & E Honda in Valpo IN today...
So for me at 59 to refresh my memory from a family member as you I am recalling B & E Honda in Valpo IN today as the Birky & Erwin families. Correct?
Kudos to your family old/new school business. I clearly recall the original shop at the west side of Valpo on US SR 130?
Keep up the good work on family business as it has been 8 years since I have been there,
Previous lifetime resident Crown Point.
redrider_714 wrote:
You are correct. My grandfather, Eugene Birky, and Ralph Erwin started out on 130. The Honda Shop then moved to its current location on Route 30...
You are correct. My grandfather, Eugene Birky, and Ralph Erwin started out on 130. The Honda Shop then moved to its current location on Route 30. The building on 130 became B&E Body Shop, which my father(Robert Birky) owns.
magoo1982 wrote:
Barnett used to show up once in a while at Haspin Acres in Southeastern Indiana on that Honda . He would sit in his van with...
Barnett used to show up once in a while at Haspin Acres in Southeastern Indiana on that Honda . He would sit in his van with stereo cranked get out , smoke everybody hop back in van crank up stereo . get out and do it again ...
The Bomber was my hero and the reason my first real mx bike was a Suzuki, '82 RM80. Been a Suzuki guy ever since....
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peelout 11/9/2018 4:27pm
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decano51 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/09/02/284800/s1200_download.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/09/02/284801/s1200_s1200_FB_IMG_1451018243800.jpg[/img]


those bikes were so fucking slow that it's almost impossible to tell but he's actually going backwards in that pic
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magoo1982 11/9/2018 6:04pm
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redrider_714 wrote:
You are correct. My grandfather, Eugene Birky, and Ralph Erwin started out on 130. The Honda Shop then moved to its current location on Route 30...
You are correct. My grandfather, Eugene Birky, and Ralph Erwin started out on 130. The Honda Shop then moved to its current location on Route 30. The building on 130 became B&E Body Shop, which my father(Robert Birky) owns.
magoo1982 wrote:
Barnett used to show up once in a while at Haspin Acres in Southeastern Indiana on that Honda . He would sit in his van with...
Barnett used to show up once in a while at Haspin Acres in Southeastern Indiana on that Honda . He would sit in his van with stereo cranked get out , smoke everybody hop back in van crank up stereo . get out and do it again ...
Trudare69 wrote:
The Bomber was my hero and the reason my first real mx bike was a Suzuki, '82 RM80. Been a Suzuki guy ever since....
Yes Sir , Always liked him on them powerful Suzooks ..
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Rab 11/9/2018 8:32pm
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drt410 wrote:
Lolll you were on a roll....aaaand then you said Roczen. For real... Ken Roczen.. I love the fire people have in here where they just wanna...
Lolll you were on a roll....aaaand then you said Roczen. For real... Ken Roczen.. I love the fire people have in here where they just wanna rip on other people so hard and are so blinded by rage that they will just black out and literally throw out factory Hondas #1 rider as an example of someone whos never ridden a Honda.... Holy hell what is going on right now. Ken Roczen ladies and gentlemen.

Not only was the OP probably the dumbest thread of all time because clearly theres tons of riders that never have so I dont even know what the hell hes even talking about. Scratch that nobody does. But then its suuuch a ridiculous topic that you literally got somebody to say that KEN ROCZEN has never riden a Honda because he was so thrown off by how stupid of a thread this was that you literally fried the poor guys brain on the spot. Hopefully hes ok and hes not in a cold shower right now rocking back and forth just saying Ken Roczen over and over because you blew a fuse in his brain. Be careful when you post stuff like this OP its dangerous your playing with peoples sanity over here when you play these mind games. Were a simple folk, us motocross guys, no need to try to blow any more gaskets in here tonight. Poor guy probably heard a pop when he read that and then had engine ice start leaking out of his ear drum.
Lay off the Tweak
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JustMX 11/10/2018 4:03am
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Mike " too tall " Bell, 1980 SX Champion on a Yamaha.
It appears he never rode Red.
Which does seem odd considering his dad built some bad ass Hondas for winning Baja teams.
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Lightning78 11/10/2018 10:42am
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decano51 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/09/02/284800/s1200_download.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/09/02/284801/s1200_s1200_FB_IMG_1451018243800.jpg[/img]


peelout wrote:
those bikes were so fucking slow that it's almost impossible to tell but he's actually going backwards in that pic
Actually Peely I got a chance to ride a very low hour all original 2001 CR125 .... Even the to the pipe, tires, chain and sprockets and I was actually really impressed by the 01 CR125... It came on pretty strong on the low end and ripped forward through the midrange into the upper midrange where it fell pretty flat on the top end, especially when hitting the overrev section of the power and but having ridden a handful of different brands including the standout 125's of their era like the YZ125 and I didn't feel like I was giving up much, if at all on the 01 CR125 which like I said was surprisingly bone stock.

Now.....lets fast forward a week or two at the same riding spot I had the chance to ride a equally clean 2007 CR125 that was actually on of Jessey Nelson's CR125, it had some significant work done to it like, v-force, FMF Factory Fatty and FMF Silencer l, plus it had some legitimate engine/cylinder work done by Edge Sports .... Now you want to talk slow? That bike couldn't get out of its own way until it hit the last 500-600rpm it had left and then it came on really good like a healthy stock (good engine'd) 125.... The power was not only extremely peaky, it was almost about as wide as a razor blade and even then, the 2001 bone stock CR125 was a lot more impressive, rideable, useable, and effective on ANY track compared to that 2007 CR125 that was formerly owned and hardly ridden by Jessey Nelson. I was quite surprised, I thought that 07 CR125 my buddy somehow acquired from Jessey (his name was on the MSO) with all those mods and motor work, would've been much stronger than an all original 01 CR125 but it was exactly the opposite. Even in tight corners and short straights where the 01 had ZERO difficulty pulling 2nd & 3rd no matter where I was on the track.... The 07 Jessey Special pretty much required downshifting to 1st gear out of every corner to help it get back on the pipe where it would rev till your ears started to bleed before having to grab 2nd gear.

So to summarize my overly detailed and long winded response Peely, I thinks it's a safe assumption that James's "Super Secret Test aboard that 2000 or 2001 couldn't have been as bad as if he were riding that 07 CR125 and btw the bike itself and the top end were very fresh, there was no reason to think the 07 had anything wrong with it .... It was just THAT SLOW in comparison to your slightly above average run of the mill 125 in terms of engine performance and power.
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