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motogrady 10/14/2018 10:08am
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CozMan wrote:
[i]But I'd also guess that there was some discussion about what to do before in various situations before that final main so that there'd be no...
But I'd also guess that there was some discussion about what to do before in various situations before that final main so that there'd be no confusion. Allegedly.

Your admission of this is terrifying for this sport. I have said it in other threads, but you better believe that if managers learn that they can get away with this, you'll see their 8th place rider taking out the points leader (accidentally of course) to help their 2nd place points rider because "there was some discussion about what to do before in various situations".

Quit living in fairy tale land.
Team orders, team tactics, have been going on since the inception of this sport.

Jesus, the drama.....
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xr70 10/14/2018 10:29am
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Actually I feel sorry for ET , it was all for nothing anyway. Couple more corners and he will parked Savatgy . If I be Savatgy I rather get parked and keep my manhood . Like that Savatgy make Elli look like opportunist and himself like the biggest pussy and this move will probably follow him for while . I don't think Elli was really too happy with that ?
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Bigfoot wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/10/14/295660/s1200_letEliBye.jpg[/img]

LMFAO. Nice work.
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pilotdude 10/14/2018 10:33am
10/14/2018 10:33am Edited Date/Time 10/14/2018 10:41am
Scenario 1. Savatgy wins moto 3, gets 2nd overall, Anderson gets 3rd overall, Tomac wins overall and $100,000. No points championship of any kind at stake. Fan gets nothing, Monster gets way less buzz for the race.

Scenario 2. Savatgy gets 2nd in moto 3 by allowing his teammate to pass, gets 3rd overall, Anderson gets 2nd overall, Tomac wins overall and $1 million. No points championship of any kind at stake. Fan gets $1 million, Monster gets way more buzz for the race, Tomac and Savatgy come to an agreement on the split of the $1 million.

Let's say the split was 90% Tomac and 10% Savatgy. By letting his teammate pass, which MAY have happened anyway, Savatgy makes as much as Tomac was going to make ($100,000) by winning the overall event without the 3rd moto win. Tomac makes $800,000 more than he was going to make by winning the overall event.

1. Anderson finishes 2nd overall instead of third. No one cares.

2. Tomac still wins the overall he was going to win anyway, and gets a huge payday instead of a 90% smaller payday.

3. Savatgy gets 3rd instead of 2nd (no one cares) and undoubtedly gets a big payday (from Tomac) instead of no payday (from Monster.)

4. Fan wins $1 million.

5. No one was injured and no championship was affected in any way.

6. Two multi-billion dollar corporations may have been affected by an amount less than a rounding error, which is also tax deductible to them.

7. Vital MX, etc. gets a victimless controversy to comment on for days.

Everyone wins!




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Kawi15 10/14/2018 10:40am
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I am still a bit shocked that Savatgy did that. I have read all these posts here, and I see what some of you all are saying but I am still bummed that he let Eli by. He should have fought for the win and let the rest of it be what it is. In short I am not in agreement with this sort of behavior.
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Keith72 10/14/2018 12:06pm
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Looked like JS17 had arm pump and was just shaking his arm out.
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wfo4ever 10/14/2018 12:13pm
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The MEC is a one off race with all the hype being the chance to win a million dollars if you win all 3 of the 10 lap motos. Monster Energy wants someone to win the million for publicity reasons to sell more of their product and Feld wants to sell tickets to fans. Lots of people saying this race is a joke. Well remember there is a joker lane as part of the track. Maybe that is a sign that the MEC is not a serious race. SX is all about money. Like Ryan Dungey said "It's just a dirt bike race".
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Ebs 10/14/2018 12:54pm
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Joey had no choice. But I would not have waved my arm to ET to signal it. Just ride wide in the corners and a racer...
Joey had no choice. But I would not have waved my arm to ET to signal it.

Just ride wide in the corners and a racer of ETs caliber will make a clean pass quickly.
Pretty much this. You're not gonna not let your teammate take home the big prize.

Although people blew up on Marvin when he gooned a few corners for his teammate, so maybe he's thinking 'I'll make this obvious what I'm doing here'.
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byke 10/14/2018 12:59pm
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It's all fine and dandy if you call it a "competition" and remove anything that suggests it's "racing".
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TDeath21 10/14/2018 1:27pm
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Lame. Lol. I don’t think he gets him otherwise and I’m sure Joey will get some of that million as well.
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motoarmageddon 10/14/2018 1:36pm
10/14/2018 1:36pm
it would have been senseless for savatgy to race eli; did you guys see how fast eli caught joey? Eli was not going to be denied, he was on a mission. You would be SO mad if eli got hurt trying to pass a blocking joey
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KurtJ99 10/14/2018 2:13pm
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You are Savatgy and you know your new teammate is coming and he’s faster than you.

If I race hard to the finish I might win the race, but Eli will likely catch me before the end.
If Eli stuffs me and I get hurt I may not make A1.
If Eli stuffs me and he gets hurt I’ll be the jerk that was part of ruining my new teammates SX title hopes.
If Eli stuffs me we both crash we will hand the win to that yoga pants wearing guy on the Rockstar white KTM.
If Eli catches me and can’t get by that’s racing but a fan loses a mil and my teammate loses 900k.

The extra Mil for the fan and 900k for 3 wins encourages non-competitive behavior, but that’s not the only reason to pull over. Savatgy proved he has the pace. Mission accomplished. I appreciate actually he didn’t do any acting like stalling the bike. Being subtle about letting Eli by would mean he had an intent to deceive.
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yamahamx 10/14/2018 2:14pm
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My main issue is that Tomac didn't give Joey credit on the podium. Rubbed me wrong for some reason. He obviously got waved by so at least give the kid some credit. it could be debated all day long who would have won without the wave by but at the end of the day what happened is what happened so at least own it in your speech.
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speed_racer 10/14/2018 2:34pm
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Joey had a chance for a 450 main win. Is Joey going to lay down for Tomac come 2019. Total stupid move, you had a win and should've taken it. If he never wins a 450 main he will see how dumb that move was. SO WHAT TOMAC DOESN'T WIN, the goal is to beat him anyway! Joey is the next Jake Weimer, paid to help the team, not be a winner.
He blew his whole career reboot right there. This will follow him forever.
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MXP 10/14/2018 2:42pm
10/14/2018 2:42pm
GuyB wrote:
Holy cow, what a whole bunch of whiners.
NorCal 50+ wrote:
This sport continues to blow me away. I mean, how much more of an industry shill could you be to hate on the people that support...
This sport continues to blow me away. I mean, how much more of an industry shill could you be to hate on the people that support your site when they complain about big corporations throwing races so you guys can go sell your photos and rack up your web site hits. You want fans or customers, Guy B. It's a cynical as shit attitude. Have a good evening.
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I was having a good evening until I come on here and start reading. For the people whining about Joey, consider this. How many people would...
I was having a good evening until I come on here and start reading.

For the people whining about Joey, consider this.

How many people would have hated on him if he hadn't pulled over? More? Less? I'm guessing it would have been about the same. It was a no-win situation for him...even if he had won. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in the pits who'd argue with what he did.

I think the result would have likely been the same, even if Joey had kept up his pace.

What kind of impression would it have made with the team if he'd won that final main, but cost his new teammate $900,000? Would they have cheered his hard-charging attitude? I find that pretty unlikely.

Eli came from way back. If he'd been third or worse on the track? I'd say it's fair game for Joey to win it. But I'd also guess that there was some discussion about what to do before in various situations before that final main so that there'd be no confusion. Allegedly.

As for being a "corporate shill"? Hey have you got a second?
If Savatgy won, hardly anyone would be talking about it. That, and he would have a legit win under his belt in the 450 class. It's so simple, it's ridiculous not everyone gets it.

Race, and do your best. The same thing most of us are taught at an early age.
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Keep_Riding78 10/14/2018 2:50pm
10/14/2018 2:50pm
Okay,
I just watched the Transworld Moto post interview
Where Joey says he let him by after he new he was right on him because he thought it was the right thing to do.
He also states two things that are very important to all Eli haters.

1- this was never discussed by anyone prior to the race. He felt it was a good gesture.

2- He felt Eli was going get him most likely with three turns left.

Blaming Eli now really seems pathetic doesn't it!
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rdmx151 10/14/2018 2:54pm
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That conversation happened on the team truck, as soon as joey took a look back and saw slomac he immediately move over
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gabrielito 10/14/2018 3:03pm
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rdmx151 wrote:
That conversation happened on the team truck, as soon as joey took a look back and saw slomac he immediately move over
Ralph mentioned it on the broadcast beforehand as a possibility. I think the decision goes higher, maybe to the top.
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WCRider 10/14/2018 3:12pm
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This move has changed the life of a teenager.
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ctbale 10/14/2018 3:17pm
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Here is what happened:

Joey knew ET was eating him up by about 2 seconds a lap. He was thinking he didnt want to get ozborned last lap and a 2nd is better then laying on the ground again so he went into protection mode. No fixing, no insurance fraud, no team tactics.

I have spoken

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Hcallz5 10/14/2018 3:20pm
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I say good on them, stick it to the corporations that make way too much off of sugar water. Not to mention they helped out that kid who probably already blew half of it at the club last night.
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gabrielito 10/14/2018 3:29pm
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NorCal 50+ wrote:
This sport continues to blow me away. I mean, how much more of an industry shill could you be to hate on the people that support...
This sport continues to blow me away. I mean, how much more of an industry shill could you be to hate on the people that support your site when they complain about big corporations throwing races so you guys can go sell your photos and rack up your web site hits. You want fans or customers, Guy B. It's a cynical as shit attitude. Have a good evening.
GuyB wrote:
I was having a good evening until I come on here and start reading. For the people whining about Joey, consider this. How many people would...
I was having a good evening until I come on here and start reading.

For the people whining about Joey, consider this.

How many people would have hated on him if he hadn't pulled over? More? Less? I'm guessing it would have been about the same. It was a no-win situation for him...even if he had won. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in the pits who'd argue with what he did.

I think the result would have likely been the same, even if Joey had kept up his pace.

What kind of impression would it have made with the team if he'd won that final main, but cost his new teammate $900,000? Would they have cheered his hard-charging attitude? I find that pretty unlikely.

Eli came from way back. If he'd been third or worse on the track? I'd say it's fair game for Joey to win it. But I'd also guess that there was some discussion about what to do before in various situations before that final main so that there'd be no confusion. Allegedly.

As for being a "corporate shill"? Hey have you got a second?
MXP wrote:
If Savatgy won, hardly anyone would be talking about it. That, and he would have a legit win under his belt in the 450 class. It's...
If Savatgy won, hardly anyone would be talking about it. That, and he would have a legit win under his belt in the 450 class. It's so simple, it's ridiculous not everyone gets it.

Race, and do your best. The same thing most of us are taught at an early age.
Savatgy should have let him by. The mistake he made was being so obvious about it.
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mxmat813 10/14/2018 3:37pm
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Didn't some KTM guy let another KTM guy pass him on the last lap a few years ago and then some green bike guy and all his nut huggers cried and cried? Things are foggy but I seem to remember something like that happening?
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TDeath21 10/14/2018 3:52pm
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Keep_Riding78 wrote:
Okay, I just watched the Transworld Moto post interview Where Joey says he let him by after he new he was right on him because he...
Okay,
I just watched the Transworld Moto post interview
Where Joey says he let him by after he new he was right on him because he thought it was the right thing to do.
He also states two things that are very important to all Eli haters.

1- this was never discussed by anyone prior to the race. He felt it was a good gesture.

2- He felt Eli was going get him most likely with three turns left.

Blaming Eli now really seems pathetic doesn't it!
He would not have gotten him at all. No real passing points left on the track and he was still a second behind him. He stayed behind Stewart for longer and that was being right on his wheel. Best chance would have been through the sand but Joey was airing it out there as much as Tomac and would have controlled the inside. That was Joey’s win for sure and he handed it to Tomac.
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Nighttrain 10/14/2018 3:56pm
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mxmat813 wrote:
Didn't some KTM guy let another KTM guy pass him on the last lap a few years ago and then some green bike guy and all...
Didn't some KTM guy let another KTM guy pass him on the last lap a few years ago and then some green bike guy and all his nut huggers cried and cried? Things are foggy but I seem to remember something like that happening?
If you can’t recognize the difference in those 2 circumstances then you must have cheated on the sign-up test for this forum. Please go back and retake before posting again.
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ctbale 10/14/2018 5:03pm
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Hcallz5 wrote:
I say good on them, stick it to the corporations that make way too much off of sugar water. Not to mention they helped out that...
I say good on them, stick it to the corporations that make way too much off of sugar water. Not to mention they helped out that kid who probably already blew half of it at the club last night.
I heard the kid is in jail(hospital?) for buying too many hookers
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umagumadog 10/14/2018 6:51pm
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Some people would whine and bitch if you hung them with new rope.
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js451 10/14/2018 7:19pm
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FeetUp wrote:
Interesting how different Tomac see's it when the shoe is on the other foot. When Marvin let Dungey by, Tomac couldn't seem to let it go...
Interesting how different Tomac see's it when the shoe is on the other foot.

When Marvin let Dungey by, Tomac couldn't seem to let it go and made smart ass remarks in the press.

On the plus side it’s nice to know the riders value a championship more than 1 million dollars
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Moto96 10/14/2018 8:25pm
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Keep_Riding78 wrote:
Okay, I just watched the Transworld Moto post interview Where Joey says he let him by after he new he was right on him because he...
Okay,
I just watched the Transworld Moto post interview
Where Joey says he let him by after he new he was right on him because he thought it was the right thing to do.
He also states two things that are very important to all Eli haters.

1- this was never discussed by anyone prior to the race. He felt it was a good gesture.

2- He felt Eli was going get him most likely with three turns left.

Blaming Eli now really seems pathetic doesn't it!
TDeath21 wrote:
He would not have gotten him at all. No real passing points left on the track and he was still a second behind him. He stayed...
He would not have gotten him at all. No real passing points left on the track and he was still a second behind him. He stayed behind Stewart for longer and that was being right on his wheel. Best chance would have been through the sand but Joey was airing it out there as much as Tomac and would have controlled the inside. That was Joey’s win for sure and he handed it to Tomac.
Conor also said his plan was to let himself get punched in the face until Khabib got tired then knock him out.

Nobody actually does that.
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