Do you think a Top American will ever go to the GP's?

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Whoever did it and was successful would be an American Fucking Hero!!
Yep.

It's going to take a racer with the mindset to, above all else, prove he is the best in the world.
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Why would anyone do that? We all know the best mxers in the world are already racing our AMA mx series.
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A "top American" racer would focus on the US racing series, as the money is great (probably much better than GPs), racing talent is not currently as deep as GPs, and it would be easier not racing in a different continent each race, etc.
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Its a win/ win.

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There wouldn't be a happy ending to this. This is business, and business is ruthless.

One would think Luongo would smell blood and try to orchestrate luring top American riders to MXGP. It'd be a strategy to shift the balance from AMA motocross to FIM motocross once and for all. The goal wouldn't be to make the fans happy; the objective would be to marginalize American outdoor motocross as a mere national series for riders who aren't good enough for MXGP. (Consider AMA road racing vs. MotoGP; consider that MXGP already aspires to be "MotoGP on dirt.") Then riders would have to choose.

After that the crosshairs would be on Supercross: reduce it to a domestic freakshow for second-rate riders, on the level of IndyCar. I guarantee you this shit has occurred to Luongo.
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As long as SX overlaps the mxgp schedule it will never happen. There's to many SX rounds and way to much money in it for a top rider to turn down. Would need to be someone like Mike Alessi who struggled indoors compared with his speed outdoors, he would have been perfect to send over.

American kids grow up watching SX and US Nationals so that is their dream growing up. They hardly even see anything related to the GPs and races aren't on TV here, I don't see many 4-16yr olds buying subscriptions to watch riders they don't know race on tracks they will never see. It's also has to do with the offers kids turning pro get, I doubt many American amateur phenoms get offers from factory mxgp teams just bc it's known that our riders stay home and often have deals already in place long before they even turn pro.

There's no insentive for anyone to do it besides the rider wanting to prove themselves in the GP's after success here and by that time they're to burned out to even want to put in the effort.

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10/9/2018 9:21pm Edited Date/Time 10/9/2018 9:27pm
It's going to take something like a kid spectating at Red Bud this weekend and vowing to go over for the sheer glory of the sport. That's why Pomeroy and Lackey did it. Both of them were complete badasses here but they gave up national titles and went over to Europe to grind out the GP's.
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SWOHIO GUY wrote:
I know Villopoto did it towards the end of his career, and covington and Osbourne have done it. But will there ever be a top shelf...
I know Villopoto did it towards the end of his career, and covington and Osbourne have done it. But will there ever be a top shelf American talent that dedicates himself fulltime to the GP's?
When herlings gets his American citizenship it might happen then... And only then.
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It's going to take something like a kid spectating at Red Bud this weekend and vowing to go over for the sheer glory of the sport...
It's going to take something like a kid spectating at Red Bud this weekend and vowing to go over for the sheer glory of the sport. That's why Pomeroy and Lackey did it. Both of them were complete badasses here but they gave up national titles and went over to Europe to grind out the GP's.
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It's going to take something like a kid spectating at Red Bud this weekend and vowing to go over for the sheer glory of the sport...
It's going to take something like a kid spectating at Red Bud this weekend and vowing to go over for the sheer glory of the sport. That's why Pomeroy and Lackey did it. Both of them were complete badasses here but they gave up national titles and went over to Europe to grind out the GP's.
Exactly.
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I haven't read anything in this thread other than the title, but I say no. Supercross is still the pinnacle of the sport, despite what you guys say around this time of the year, and that's where the money is at. There's a reason why we have the best riders in the world. We might not have the fastest rider on the planet right now, but if you look at the sport as a whole on this side of the planet it's further ahead than the other side of the planet in many ways. The ability to ride a Supercross track is one of those things. Until you've guys had to hit a whoop section that's 4 feet tall, your opinion is irrelevant.
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10/10/2018 12:03am Edited Date/Time 10/10/2018 1:45am
Anonymous wrote:
Whoever did it and was successful would be an American Fucking Hero!!
I wish this were true.

Most recently Zach Osborne raced in Europe. (2008 - 2011) and no one even remembers.

A hundred years ago, when Jim Pomeroy raced in Europe and was back in the US for the Daytona SX, the AMA would not even let him race. Like some amateur, the AMA told Jim he did not have enough qualifying points to line up at his own countries pro races.

After Brad Lackey became the first ever American to win a World Championship, he did not even have a ride the following year.

The most attention and excitement I’ve seen about an American and the GPs was when Ryan Villopoto started the series a few years ago. I presume that is largely due to the internet and being able to watch him in action.
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Ever is a long time in which a lot of things will change.

A top rider either in AMA/SX or GP's makes a lot of money and has no need to move over for the money part. So the only reason a champion would move over is because he wants to. I wouldn't be surprised to see an American trying MXGP after he has won all in the US, just for the change of scenery or to show the world that he is the best.
I don't see Herlings going to the US, however if he would dominate the next 5 years like he did this year (a big if considering him getting injured every year) i can see him thinking let's do a year of AMA outdoors to show i'm also the best over there.

Tomac doesnt strike me as the type of guy that wants to do this, and Anderson hasnt won anything in outdoors yet, cant see him going before he wins a title. Barcia has declared interest but i wouldnt consider him a top american (as in championship contender).
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Anonymous wrote:
Whoever did it and was successful would be an American Fucking Hero!!
Bultaco wrote:
I wish this were true. Most recently Zach Osborne raced in Europe. (2008 - 2011) and no one even remembers. A hundred years ago, when Jim...
I wish this were true.

Most recently Zach Osborne raced in Europe. (2008 - 2011) and no one even remembers.

A hundred years ago, when Jim Pomeroy raced in Europe and was back in the US for the Daytona SX, the AMA would not even let him race. Like some amateur, the AMA told Jim he did not have enough qualifying points to line up at his own countries pro races.

After Brad Lackey became the first ever American to win a World Championship, he did not even have a ride the following year.

The most attention and excitement I’ve seen about an American and the GPs was when Ryan Villopoto started the series a few years ago. I presume that is largely due to the internet and being able to watch him in action.
Lackey indeed did not have a ride in GP's the following year, but salary demands combined with the belief that Lackey's motivation was gone after finally winning the title were a big factor in that. At least that is what i read.
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I’ve been thinking this for a while. How sick would it be if the MXGP nationals held at least 5 races in the states, and SX...
I’ve been thinking this for a while. How sick would it be if the MXGP nationals held at least 5 races in the states, and SX became 20 rounds (or whatever they want to do with it) then when kids come out of AMs they choose which discipline they want to race. Maybe do mxgp series for a year then jump SX only. Maybe even make SX for 450s only, cutting down on TV slot time, fixing the current problem of top 250 guys making way more money than top 450 guys, and create more 450 rides.
We’d still have some outdoor motocross races in the country, FIM would get more SX races, but FIM would own it all and no more mx sports/ AMA so that would suck Sad

But this isn’t a perfect world. That would be incredible imo
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What I’d like to see is more up and coming American talent going across to the GP’s. That would be more realistic and bode well for the future.
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Why would anyone do that? We all know the best mxers in the world are already racing our AMA mx series.

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It's not going to happen. Trump will add additional tax of 25% for salaries to all Americans who is going to try MXGP seriesSmile
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What I’d like to see is more up and coming American talent going across to the GP’s. That would be more realistic and bode well for...
What I’d like to see is more up and coming American talent going across to the GP’s. That would be more realistic and bode well for the future.
I think we never before had so many young Americans in the MXGP scene. Covington, Sanayei, Weltin, Root. And they all came here because of Osborne success after leaving MXGP. And Govington with Sanayei did it bretty well IMO.
So.I think that's pretty good idea send youngstes to Europe before they are coming pros in the US. Seems like so far this program is working
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I ve always admired the guys that went to GPs the most. also back in the day mark blackwell, ron nelson , john de soto...
I ve always admired the guys that went to GPs the most. also back in the day mark blackwell, ron nelson , john de soto , marty moates , gary semics , chuck sun . a couple older guys im forgettin also ...
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For sure- so cool to see new faces and the US guys come over , even if just for a race or three... and not a...
For sure- so cool to see new faces and the US guys come over , even if just for a race or three... and not a whole season even.
Your probably abit older than me from the riders you mention but remember Marty Moates out of the names you mention doing good.
Just remembered 'Wild Willy' Surrat- he also came over for the GP's and did very good.

Forgot wild willy ,remember Moates on the xl Honda Thumper 4 stroke and Ossa 250s . also think if Billy Liles didn't hurt leg ,stood a good shot at winning championship . I have a CCM 630 that either Liles or Schmitt rode in U S 4 stroke nationals for CCM importer .
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magoo1982 wrote:
Forgot wild willy ,remember Moates on the xl Honda Thumper 4 stroke and Ossa 250s . also think if Billy Liles didn't hurt leg ,stood a...
Forgot wild willy ,remember Moates on the xl Honda Thumper 4 stroke and Ossa 250s . also think if Billy Liles didn't hurt leg ,stood a good shot at winning championship . I have a CCM 630 that either Liles or Schmitt rode in U S 4 stroke nationals for CCM importer .
Yes, Billy was very good and also unlucky with that leg, he was really stepping it up around that time.
Your CCM sounds great! I do have a distant memory of Donny on that big CCM, was it white, seem to recall?
Back in the day remember doing a couple of races against the CCM Factory owners son, think he was on a big Armstrong CCM and he beat me very easy. He was a fairly decent rider I think, unlike me! hahah.

Just remembered another couple of US riders who came over and did good, Jim Gibson, he did very well and he may have even won a couple of GP's even and think he got 3rd in the championship.... Bader Manneh did okay also seem to recall. There were probably quite a few more also that I cannot remember.
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tempura wrote:
What I’d like to see is more up and coming American talent going across to the GP’s. That would be more realistic and bode well for...
What I’d like to see is more up and coming American talent going across to the GP’s. That would be more realistic and bode well for the future.
keinz wrote:
I think we never before had so many young Americans in the MXGP scene. Covington, Sanayei, Weltin, Root. And they all came here because of Osborne...
I think we never before had so many young Americans in the MXGP scene. Covington, Sanayei, Weltin, Root. And they all came here because of Osborne success after leaving MXGP. And Govington with Sanayei did it bretty well IMO.
So.I think that's pretty good idea send youngstes to Europe before they are coming pros in the US. Seems like so far this program is working
I'd like to see an American go that route with aspirations to be the MXGP World Champion.
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Anonymous wrote:
Whoever did it and was successful would be an American Fucking Hero!!
Bultaco wrote:
I wish this were true. Most recently Zach Osborne raced in Europe. (2008 - 2011) and no one even remembers. A hundred years ago, when Jim...
I wish this were true.

Most recently Zach Osborne raced in Europe. (2008 - 2011) and no one even remembers.

A hundred years ago, when Jim Pomeroy raced in Europe and was back in the US for the Daytona SX, the AMA would not even let him race. Like some amateur, the AMA told Jim he did not have enough qualifying points to line up at his own countries pro races.

After Brad Lackey became the first ever American to win a World Championship, he did not even have a ride the following year.

The most attention and excitement I’ve seen about an American and the GPs was when Ryan Villopoto started the series a few years ago. I presume that is largely due to the internet and being able to watch him in action.
Osbourne didn't win a championship, so I believe that is why no one remembers. I think the GP's were still viewed as second rate when he was over there. The GP's are certainly not second rate any more, although I don't believe the GP's are far ahead as people think. With the internet and better viewing options for the GP's I think people would pay attention, but it would have to be a big name that was developed over here. I can't see Tomac doing it, at least not until he gets a SX title, but even then I just can't see it.
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What about all the guys that were not AMA champs but ended up being GP champs. Look up GPs from 89 to 94 it's filled with Americans who won but they never won titles in the states.
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Park Boys wrote:
What about all the guys that were not AMA champs but ended up being GP champs. Look up GPs from 89 to 94 it's filled with...
What about all the guys that were not AMA champs but ended up being GP champs. Look up GPs from 89 to 94 it's filled with Americans who won but they never won titles in the states.
For sure, that's sort of what I been posting about, some of the seriously good US riders who came to GPs' and not only won but also the others who did very good without winning over the years and yes there were lots of them, more maybe than one may think.

As already said, some of them possibly would have won US titles had they not been in Europe, like Schmit, Healey or Vohland also maybe and probably many more. Vohland seems to go under the radar but was at times right up there with Everts/ Tortelli and the very best of them seem to recall. Browny also at times took it to the top Euros but wasn't so consistent. Then we got Liles, beast of a rider- probably would have cleaned up the 1990 500GP Title against the very best of the Euros, Geboers/ Thorpe/ Nicholl and more. It probably wasn't only Lackey who sacrificed US titles to be in Europe. Donny Schmit was an absolute animal and eckon highly likely he would have won more US titles had he not come to GPs', think he did in fact win the 86 SX125 US title.

Probably even more super US riders who came over when you look into the history and stats.

Onething for sure stands out to me- JMB... GP Champion x2 / US Champion- SX and MX x3 and then he goes road racing in the Moto GP's and is up at the front at times... or thereabouts- incredible really. Not sure that will be repeated! Credit to that man!

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