Constructive ideas to improve the Monster Energy Supercross broadcast

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Warning! Detailed, lengthy post. Continue at your own risk. I, personally, really like Ralph and Jeff. Maybe they are no Art and David but heck, who...
Warning! Detailed, lengthy post. Continue at your own risk.

I, personally, really like Ralph and Jeff. Maybe they are no Art and David but heck, who is? Jenny is awesome but doubtful she'll be back full time. Blair is a star in the making...though I do think he needs to learn his MX/SX history more and I'm ok with RC for the most part. So the crew is fine, esp Ralph and Jeff who both take a lot of crap from people on Vital. So, assuming we have the same broadcast team (which I think we will), what are some LEGITIMATE and constructive ideas to make the broadcast much better?

Here are my two cents. And please, let's try to actually give ideas that might would be considered. No bashing of the broadcast team. That accomplishes nothing. Also, you have to bear in mind sponsors pay for the track map, holeshot, spider cam and certain segments so they WILL still be a part of the broadcast as those said sponsors pay for us to be on live TV each week.

1. First and foremost, I think the broadcast should be more geared towards the Supercross/Motocross fan. Not for the casual viewer. When I watch a LA Kings hockey broadcast (go Kings), Bob and Jim (and now Alex and Jim) do not explain every minute thing as if it is the first time I've watched the sport. Yes, you want to grow new fans and for them to understand it but we shouldn't dumb it down. Supercross is big but it is still quite a niche sport and most watching it know it. So let's make the analysis in depth and solid. Think Troy Aikman in the booth. I think this is a legitimate complaint and something that could be easily remedied. Trust me. Ralph is a Pro and Jeff does know SX as good as anyone. NFL pays people to throw the broadcast team cues and inside info Why can't we?

2. Try to learn from the late 90's ESPN broadcasts. Yes, I know they were voice overs. But still, they treated it very, very professionally and you would learn a lot each broadcast with mechanics being mic'ed up, intervals with Honda Stopwatch (it now could be Cooper Tire stopwatch, for example), etc. So much good in those broadcasts.

3. I love Ralph and Jeff and think they are great at what they do (it's hard people, I've tried it), but I do wish they would both do a better job of really calling the race. It is a bit too much for the casual viewer (see #1). I want to know lap times, intervals, etc and basically if you've ever heard the old Pace Supercross audio webcasts with Chad Damiani and Jim Holley and later Weege and Holley...you could almost just close your eyes and you still knew exactly what was going on. I've often found that, in sports, that radio calls are better than tv pbp. They have to be as they are painting the visual picture thru audio only. We don't have audio coverage of our sport, unfortunately, so I wish our current team could bridge that gap between the two different mediums by being more detailed.

4. I realize that Toyota brings money into our sport and we need them but I want THEM to do a better job at bringing segments that aren't so...well, honestly, so lame. Their segments need to strongly relate to Supercross. Not about building cars or women who ride. There should be no special segments for any different gender who rides. Someone's gender is irrelevant. The military thing, I skipped constantly, the makeup to mud...well, my Wife actually found it kinda offensive. Lol. Anyway, focus on segments that are about Supercross. There is a lot to learn for all of us if they take the time to give us good content.

5. Lose the social media segments. It is horrible. You don't see that in a NFL game or NHL game. And if you do it is done with just a scrolling Tweet like Motocross does it. Don't make it such a segment. Fans don;t care about seeing people's kids or people's bikes in their house. Prob the lamest thing on the broadcast along with the Toyota segments the past two years.

6. Just a few content ideas. Mechanic interviews, mechanics mic'ed, bike details, inside the broadcast booth and the makings of a SX broadcast, the making of a track, media day coverage.

7. College Gameday roundtable (esp at Triple Crown races) with the likes of The 800 (who is great in the booth, btw), MC, RC, KW, Holley, Blair and guests. Maybe even Stew. Smile

Anyway...let's here some good suggestions. Please, keep it constructive.

I personally agree with 90% of your post. BUT I feel that what benefits [i]us[/i] as fans and what benefits the [i]sport[/i] in growing/gaining fans is...
I personally agree with 90% of your post. BUT I feel that what benefits us as fans and what benefits the sport in growing/gaining fans is at cross purposes.

Bc let's face it. All of us here are going to watch the race anyway. We'll grit our teeth and bear the Social Media crap or Makeup To Mud or purposely dumbed-down commentary bc we want to watch the race. Period. In other words, they HAVE us already. Everything else is just icing on the cake.
You're not wrong. But the same can be said for those Hockey Night in Canada broadcasts or the NFL. And for the most part, they are super intelligent broadcasts. But maybe that's the difference. We're looking more fans and they have most of them already.

I don't know. I think you can still relate to the new fans but still please your hardcore fans. To alienate your fans to try to get a casual fan just seems like the wrong method. But Directv does that to me. I've been with them 18 years and I can't get jack but a new customer can get the world. So maybe you're right.
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Limit the number of times the EXACT same commerical can be shown during the broadcast. I do not need to see the same Toyota ad 14...
Limit the number of times the EXACT same commerical can be shown during the broadcast. I do not need to see the same Toyota ad 14 fucking times in the same broadcast.

Diversify your ads like every other professional sport in existence.
Hey, I hear ya but the least of my worries is what is on during commercials. I really could care less what they are as long as they pay enough to keep our show going.
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I'd like to see the top three running different color backgrounds. Points leader stays red, 2nd place run yellow, and 3rd position run green or blue...
I'd like to see the top three running different color backgrounds. Points leader stays red, 2nd place run yellow, and 3rd position run green or blue. Would give the newcomer a better idea of...who is who. Could benefit the guy's in the booth as well.
Could take a page from the tour de france, where there is an overall leader, best young rider, best sprinter, best climber, and most aggressive. Red for points leader, something for most laps led, something for most passes made in main events, something for most heats won, or some combination thereof.
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Eliminate the following:

Ralph braying about how the the track is alive, blue and red bikes, lighting the candles.

1 hour of riders sitting in their gear against a black backdrop talking about how supercross is hard.

Miss Supercross repeatedly stumbling through her one paragraph with drunks screaming in the background.

Endless pics of people who put bikes in their living room.

Fawning over every D-list celebrity or NASCAR driver in attendance.
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ledger wrote:
I'd like to see the top three running different color backgrounds. Points leader stays red, 2nd place run yellow, and 3rd position run green or blue...
I'd like to see the top three running different color backgrounds. Points leader stays red, 2nd place run yellow, and 3rd position run green or blue. Would give the newcomer a better idea of...who is who. Could benefit the guy's in the booth as well.
ACBraap wrote:
Could take a page from the tour de france, where there is an overall leader, best young rider, best sprinter, best climber, and most aggressive. Red...
Could take a page from the tour de france, where there is an overall leader, best young rider, best sprinter, best climber, and most aggressive. Red for points leader, something for most laps led, something for most passes made in main events, something for most heats won, or some combination thereof.
Umm...I follow all sorts of disciplines and that sounds confusing to me. No thanks! Lol. But hey, to each his own.

I really think the main things that could be done would be the don;t cater so much to the newbs and use the College Gameday style round table or desk for analysis, bench racing, predictions from established former pros such as RC, MC, KW, Alessi, Blair, Holley. That, in itself, would be a great, simple addition.
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Adam43 wrote:
Eliminate the following: Ralph braying about how the the track is alive, blue and red bikes, lighting the candles. 1 hour of riders sitting in their...
Eliminate the following:

Ralph braying about how the the track is alive, blue and red bikes, lighting the candles.

1 hour of riders sitting in their gear against a black backdrop talking about how supercross is hard.

Miss Supercross repeatedly stumbling through her one paragraph with drunks screaming in the background.

Endless pics of people who put bikes in their living room.

Fawning over every D-list celebrity or NASCAR driver in attendance.
Not bad, not bad. I tend to agree with those. Smile Addition by subtraction. I like it!
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The main problem is Ralf has to go. Emig was so much better with Paul Malin on the MXdN broadcast. Put a 125 race in and dump all of the fluff and lifestyle crap.
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10/9/2018 3:17pm
Frank wrote:
I could care less about the announcing. Film the race from ground level only. This applies to the outdoor nationals as well. Watch a TGO video...
I could care less about the announcing. Film the race from ground level only. This applies to the outdoor nationals as well. Watch a TGO video. That is the way to show the sport not stupid sky cam/scissor lift shit.
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I agree and disagree with your remark. I agree with the ground angles. I hate the sky cam. Again, go back to the ESPN shots. Lots...
I agree and disagree with your remark. I agree with the ground angles. I hate the sky cam. Again, go back to the ESPN shots. Lots of ground footage.

I disagree that announcing doesn't matter. As a matter of a fact, good/bad announcing can make or break a sporting event. I'm in the entertainment business and a good production...and that includes announcing, overlay stats, camera angles, segments...is crucial to an overall great package. In other sports, I watch teams that have good announcing teams. If they are bad, I'm out. And no, I don;t want to just hear the engines. I want the presentation which includes, the bike sounds, fans, announcing and the whole production.
You don’t want to hear the engines? Listen to Canadian arenacross broadcasts then for a taste - it sucks - the motor rpms tell me a lot personally.
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Get into the Pits before races and at the start gates, Ask questions that are going to get the crowed fired up.
Go watch 2003 supercross season and the broadcasting is amazing!! spoken with high intensity from broadcasters. Camera angles shown riders up close, tracks where tighter, it was all about putting on a how, high energy racing and riders doing what ever it took to win and make it known to the rest of the field they where better. riders like RC4 on the gate would get a quick interview and normal the response to questions where " im going to win".
it was exciting and made you get shivers for the gate drops!

Supercross and Motocross has lost all its personality.
When both of these sports where at there max! there was drama, riders wanting to win! a little smack talk and heated practices. you wanted to watch the races every week to see what would unfold.
every one just has a personality of a tree stump and is a mute. only time we have had an exciting race was when Tomac and musqin had that post race interview and a few heated comments where made. after that... it just died.
It sounds bad.. But riders don't have personality's (except Kroc94, he seems to say his bit and want to show that hes better). CR22, JS7, RC4, RV2, The KIng ect... they all had voiced there thoughts and made statements and wanted to back it up each week.


PS. as noted earlier.. would be awesome to see a 125 amateur class in the SX season.
125 amateur allstar main, 250 main and 450 main
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10/9/2018 3:47pm Edited Date/Time 10/9/2018 3:53pm
Get into the Pits before races and at the start gates, Ask questions that are going to get the crowed fired up. Go watch 2003 supercross...
Get into the Pits before races and at the start gates, Ask questions that are going to get the crowed fired up.
Go watch 2003 supercross season and the broadcasting is amazing!! spoken with high intensity from broadcasters. Camera angles shown riders up close, tracks where tighter, it was all about putting on a how, high energy racing and riders doing what ever it took to win and make it known to the rest of the field they where better. riders like RC4 on the gate would get a quick interview and normal the response to questions where " im going to win".
it was exciting and made you get shivers for the gate drops!

Supercross and Motocross has lost all its personality.
When both of these sports where at there max! there was drama, riders wanting to win! a little smack talk and heated practices. you wanted to watch the races every week to see what would unfold.
every one just has a personality of a tree stump and is a mute. only time we have had an exciting race was when Tomac and musqin had that post race interview and a few heated comments where made. after that... it just died.
It sounds bad.. But riders don't have personality's (except Kroc94, he seems to say his bit and want to show that hes better). CR22, JS7, RC4, RV2, The KIng ect... they all had voiced there thoughts and made statements and wanted to back it up each week.


PS. as noted earlier.. would be awesome to see a 125 amateur class in the SX season.
125 amateur allstar main, 250 main and 450 main
Yeah, I miss the old closeups of the ESPN broadcasts. "As we look into the eyes of concentration." Art Eckman as the camera zoomed in on McGrath in 1997. Man, I loved that line.The late 90's broadcasts were so epic.

Man, Art has such a great voice. Can't wait to hear him at Straight Rhythm.
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Emig has been terrible the last couple years, especially next to Malin (who is top notch). As far as SX goes, if you were a new fan watching for the first time, you would not be able to tell who the ex professional racer is between the two because Jeff adds zero insight based off his years of experience. It's such a niche sport, that they need to go above and beyond to engage new fans. Not just have two people giving the same play by play interrupting one another.

I think you need a one man calling the show (like MXGP & Malin), and then keep someone like Ricky trackside to offer the experienced input as he does now.
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During the race never go to helmet cam course previews, track side interviews, or whatever else without keeping the leader or best race for position also...
During the race never go to helmet cam course previews, track side interviews, or whatever else without keeping the leader or best race for position also on the screen.

Add in some game day analysis between heats, LCQs, and mains. Matthes, JT, Weigandt, or whoever all do an awesome time in this format proven at the MXdN and a year or so back at Glenn Helen national, or whenever that was.
I have complaints about the leaderboard.

Way too often they show each riders' "best lap". This is rarely useful. Also, sometimes they take away the times at list their brands. That's no help.

In fact, the crawl should ALWAYS have the intervals displayed. They could also add the other info from time to time, but never take the intervals off.

Also, why do they pull the crawl off altogether for the last lap?

Bonus points to FOX for always listing the top 5 riders.
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Limit the number of times the EXACT same commerical can be shown during the broadcast. I do not need to see the same Toyota ad 14...
Limit the number of times the EXACT same commerical can be shown during the broadcast. I do not need to see the same Toyota ad 14 fucking times in the same broadcast.

Diversify your ads like every other professional sport in existence.
Chicken parm you taste so good.
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Why do all racing telecasts have NON-STOP yakking? It's like their pay is docked $20 for each second there is nobody talking.

MX starts sound terrific. The sound of every engine WFO then the sudden silence at the first turn. Then full throttle again. My favorite part. Wouldn't it be nice to hear it instead of Ralph wailing?
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RM Mike wrote:
Why do all racing telecasts have NON-STOP yakking? It's like their pay is docked $20 for each second there is nobody talking. MX starts sound terrific...
Why do all racing telecasts have NON-STOP yakking? It's like their pay is docked $20 for each second there is nobody talking.

MX starts sound terrific. The sound of every engine WFO then the sudden silence at the first turn. Then full throttle again. My favorite part. Wouldn't it be nice to hear it instead of Ralph wailing?
I personally don't like watching events without commentary. So to each his own, I guess. But the object is to try to improve the broadcast. I'm not sure silence is the answer.

However, with that being said, I remember back in the Art/David days there were moments that Art would say "let's listen to the machines as they come thru". Then again they were two strokes and enjoyable to listen to. Not so much these days.
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10/9/2018 5:55pm
Frank wrote:
I could care less about the announcing. Film the race from ground level only. This applies to the outdoor nationals as well. Watch a TGO video...
I could care less about the announcing. Film the race from ground level only. This applies to the outdoor nationals as well. Watch a TGO video. That is the way to show the sport not stupid sky cam/scissor lift shit.
have to disagree on this one. It works so well in a TGO movie because they cover a 30 minute race in 3 minutes with slow motion and interviews over it.

Its works in post production but not in a live situation. Also in Supercross its just too fast and short for that to work, Also Dangerous.

Although I would love something like they do in TGO where they pick a mechanic/rider for a round and kind of follow them - prepping, miced up in practice, talking in the truck etc etc and then the live shit talking on the sideline with other mechanics. It would be an awesome insight during the live event and add a personal connection to the riders and the crew more than an interview can
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Another thing I would like is for them to put the running order at the top of the screen like MX does. The left side running order has always took up too much space, in my opinion. Especially when coupled with the riders photos which I think is unnecessary.
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RM Mike wrote:
Why do all racing telecasts have NON-STOP yakking? It's like their pay is docked $20 for each second there is nobody talking. MX starts sound terrific...
Why do all racing telecasts have NON-STOP yakking? It's like their pay is docked $20 for each second there is nobody talking.

MX starts sound terrific. The sound of every engine WFO then the sudden silence at the first turn. Then full throttle again. My favorite part. Wouldn't it be nice to hear it instead of Ralph wailing?
flatout111 wrote:
I personally don't like watching events without commentary. So to each his own, I guess. But the object is to try to improve the broadcast. I'm...
I personally don't like watching events without commentary. So to each his own, I guess. But the object is to try to improve the broadcast. I'm not sure silence is the answer.

However, with that being said, I remember back in the Art/David days there were moments that Art would say "let's listen to the machines as they come thru". Then again they were two strokes and enjoyable to listen to. Not so much these days.
Id like a few seconds of silence also and well placed mics so we can actually listen to the riders now and then and not just ralf or jeff explaining what a brake lever is
10/9/2018 6:27pm
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The dream team: weege, langston, daniel blair
Weege, Fro, Bailey.

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