Herlings has got way more pressure on him than Tomac,....

mxb2 wrote:

Exactly. Some on vital.dont like facts.

RichardLoots wrote:

just facts ... Herlings and Tomac raced only 4 times , Herlings won 3 out of the 4 moto;s and both races and not because he...

just facts ... Herlings and Tomac raced only 4 times , Herlings won 3 out of the 4 moto;s and both races and not because he had such good starts just some facts , who you happen to like and what fits in this Herlings /Tomac topic

MR. X wrote:

The whole world vs the United States should be what the race is called.

mxb2 wrote:

I am.of fan of both, so the debate is bench racing thats it. Cant ever compare the 2, because they never will race a series.

Press516 wrote:

Anyone counting Ironman in their head to head isn't using their brain...

mxb2 wrote:

I am.of fan of both, so the debate is bench racing thats it. Cant ever compare the 2, because they never will race a series.

RichardLoots wrote:

nice twist to the story

Press516 wrote:

Anyone counting Ironman in their head to head isn't using their brain...

NVA57 wrote:

Why? A race that don't fit your agenda doesn't count?

cool_hand wrote:

Herlings came over here and got beat in Charlotte a few years back by,..Cooper Webb,..and Tomac was way, way, up front.,...you don't think that doesn't haunt...

Herlings came over here and got beat in Charlotte a few years back by,..Cooper Webb,..and Tomac was way, way, up front.,...you don't think that doesn't haunt him??

Flip109 wrote:

I pray that Kroc or TC catch fire and roast both their asses haha So sick of this back and forth about these two. Race will...

I pray that Kroc or TC catch fire and roast both their asses haha

So sick of this back and forth about these two. Race will be epic one way or the other, unless Herlings comes in like a Necromonger and just takes over and makes the whole thing look silly

jorgechavez wrote:

People like to bring up Tomac's results from past MXdN's but never seem to want to tell the story for whatever reason? 2013 I remember him...

People like to bring up Tomac's results from past MXdN's but never seem to want to tell the story for whatever reason? 2013 I remember him catching Roczen from outside the top ten while being 10+ seconds back, before getting ejected off his bike over that jump. The next moto he hounded Roczen the entire moto and finished second.

2014 I believe he crashed in the first turn and had to come through the pack, it wasn't a great moto for him but in the second one he rode with a set of forks he hadn't rode with all weekend and was the fastest guy on track that moto but as per usual with Tomac he didn't start very well.

I'm not sure why some people act like he just went to those races and was off the pace? Both times he's raced the event he's shown incredible speed and is obviously way more experienced and mature now than he was four/five years ago.

jorgechavez wrote:

People like to bring up Tomac's results from past MXdN's but never seem to want to tell the story for whatever reason? 2013 I remember him...

People like to bring up Tomac's results from past MXdN's but never seem to want to tell the story for whatever reason? 2013 I remember him catching Roczen from outside the top ten while being 10+ seconds back, before getting ejected off his bike over that jump. The next moto he hounded Roczen the entire moto and finished second.

2014 I believe he crashed in the first turn and had to come through the pack, it wasn't a great moto for him but in the second one he rode with a set of forks he hadn't rode with all weekend and was the fastest guy on track that moto but as per usual with Tomac he didn't start very well.

I'm not sure why some people act like he just went to those races and was off the pace? Both times he's raced the event he's shown incredible speed and is obviously way more experienced and mature now than he was four/five years ago.

Press516 wrote:

Anyone counting Ironman in their head to head isn't using their brain...

NVA57 wrote:

Why? A race that don't fit your agenda doesn't count?

Press516 wrote:

Like when Webb beat Herlings at Charlotte, coming from 17th, passed and then left him? Ahh, but that was just points racing, right? Seriously, the team...

Like when Webb beat Herlings at Charlotte, coming from 17th, passed and then left him? Ahh, but that was just points racing, right?

Seriously, the team told Tomac after that first moto, that points and the Championship is all that matters...

And what agenda? Go find my posts... I say they are so close that its 50/50... More sand Herlings wins more often, more hardpack and Tomac wins more often. Just my opinion... I even said while pretty equal on speed, Herlings is definitely more consistent.

But I can see you have your panties in a wad for your guy...

mxb2 wrote:

I think tomac is 5-1 usgp s.

JBlain619 wrote:

It seems as if the only "twist" is in your panties! It is very possible to be a fan of multiple riders. Bottom line is, you...

It seems as if the only "twist" is in your panties!

It is very possible to be a fan of multiple riders. Bottom line is, you cannot compare the "one-off" races that really don't mean shit to one of the riders. I really don't think the Des Nations is a true test of superiority of any certain rider. Hell, Paulin has won how many Des Nations yet doesn't have a World Title? Is he the best rider in the world?? No. The true test would be in a series and unfortunately for the fans, we will never see ET and the Bullet go at it in a series.

NVA57 wrote:

No, Webb beat Herlings fair and square in Charlotte.

A race is a race, doesn't matter who tells who what. Racers race.

jorgechavez wrote:

People like to bring up Tomac's results from past MXdN's but never seem to want to tell the story for whatever reason? 2013 I remember him...

People like to bring up Tomac's results from past MXdN's but never seem to want to tell the story for whatever reason? 2013 I remember him catching Roczen from outside the top ten while being 10+ seconds back, before getting ejected off his bike over that jump. The next moto he hounded Roczen the entire moto and finished second.

2014 I believe he crashed in the first turn and had to come through the pack, it wasn't a great moto for him but in the second one he rode with a set of forks he hadn't rode with all weekend and was the fastest guy on track that moto but as per usual with Tomac he didn't start very well.

I'm not sure why some people act like he just went to those races and was off the pace? Both times he's raced the event he's shown incredible speed and is obviously way more experienced and mature now than he was four/five years ago.

crusty_xx wrote:

In Latvia he was the fastest
In Germany him and Kenny were the fastest

In the end the results count though

pilotdude wrote:

I would have to say the pressure on both will be absolutely immense, especially if the Dutch team is in the running for a podium/win. Tomac...

I would have to say the pressure on both will be absolutely immense, especially if the Dutch team is in the running for a podium/win. Tomac will have that pressure by both being the home nation guy and ending the losing streak. Both guys are competitors with Legend level skills and neither will want to be shown up by the other.

All other stuff about who's faster etc. is simply the opinion of fans who want to believe their guy is the fastest. The truth will come out in a few weeks.

pilotdude wrote:

I would have to say the pressure on both will be absolutely immense, especially if the Dutch team is in the running for a podium/win. Tomac...

I would have to say the pressure on both will be absolutely immense, especially if the Dutch team is in the running for a podium/win. Tomac will have that pressure by both being the home nation guy and ending the losing streak. Both guys are competitors with Legend level skills and neither will want to be shown up by the other.

All other stuff about who's faster etc. is simply the opinion of fans who want to believe their guy is the fastest. The truth will come out in a few weeks.

Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:

They may both have legend level skills but there is one thing that I think Herlings has over Tomac (and everyone else) which is his uncompromising...

They may both have legend level skills but there is one thing that I think Herlings has over Tomac (and everyone else) which is his uncompromising determination to succeed. He is so focussed on winning it's frightening.

pilotdude wrote:

I would have to say the pressure on both will be absolutely immense, especially if the Dutch team is in the running for a podium/win. Tomac...

I would have to say the pressure on both will be absolutely immense, especially if the Dutch team is in the running for a podium/win. Tomac will have that pressure by both being the home nation guy and ending the losing streak. Both guys are competitors with Legend level skills and neither will want to be shown up by the other.

All other stuff about who's faster etc. is simply the opinion of fans who want to believe their guy is the fastest. The truth will come out in a few weeks.

Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:

They may both have legend level skills but there is one thing that I think Herlings has over Tomac (and everyone else) which is his uncompromising...

They may both have legend level skills but there is one thing that I think Herlings has over Tomac (and everyone else) which is his uncompromising determination to succeed. He is so focussed on winning it's frightening.

pilotdude wrote:

All the legend level guys want to win. One question for this matchup is which is more important, the team result or the individual result? I...

All the legend level guys want to win. One question for this matchup is which is more important, the team result or the individual result? I know how DeCoster thinks.

Flip109 wrote:

I pray that Kroc or TC catch fire and roast both their asses haha So sick of this back and forth about these two. Race will...

I pray that Kroc or TC catch fire and roast both their asses haha

So sick of this back and forth about these two. Race will be epic one way or the other, unless Herlings comes in like a Necromonger and just takes over and makes the whole thing look silly