Tomac vs Herlings

keinz wrote:

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Donovan759 wrote:

Size matters, bro.

OtotheB178 wrote:

It's more about density

kb228 wrote:

What french rider has better stats in the states than RC, stew, rv, dungey, etc... just because they beat a good us rider a few times...

What french rider has better stats in the states than RC, stew, rv, dungey, etc... just because they beat a good us rider a few times doesnt make them better. Marvin beats tomac here and there but you cant say hes better...

OtotheB178 wrote:

JMB smoked your best riders of the era.... "In 1991 Bayle and Honda set their sights on winning the AMA 250cc and 500cc Motocross Championships, as...

JMB


smoked your best riders of the era....

"In 1991 Bayle and Honda set their sights on winning the AMA 250cc and 500cc Motocross Championships, as well as the AMA 250cc Supercross title. Bayle went on to earn three wins and the title of the six-race AMA 500cc Motocross Championship (the remaining three races were won by Jeff Ward). He also won the AMA 250cc Motocross Championship, and took the AMA 250cc Supercross Series title with eight wins."

How many US riders have won 3 series' in one year?

Not to mention that France has a population of 66.9 million and the US has 325.7 Million......you can't deny they produce quality riders for the size of the riding population.

It's not a dig at the US i grew up loving AMA racing, i still do, i just think you need to acknowledge that the US hasn't got the stranglehold it once had on racing and that's a good thing. It brings more variety and variables to race day and allows for some more exciting bench racing.

keinz wrote:

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Racingsalmon44 wrote:

Been Reading every post about europe vs america for the last 15 years and im a bit tired of the dick measuring contest to say the...

Been Reading every post about europe vs america for the last 15 years and im a bit tired of the dick measuring contest to say the least so now its was time to start an account here for me and get shit straight.

1st - For you ppl saying you cant compare because americans train half the year for sx and so on i Think you need to realize that 85% of europe is covered in snow and ice from november to march/april and that includes belgium where Most mxgp teams are based and England where some other teams are based is just snow covered mud during the winter time. Most factory teams Will do some training in spain and italy during winter time, but(!) Its not like they are There training for months, its just a Couple of weeks so winter time when the us based riders are still competing is more or less off time for the gp dudes.

2nd - time in the saddle is still time in the saddle and racing is still racing no matter if its mx or sx so americans should have the advantage there, and sx doesnt matter because even tho i love sx and have watched every race since the mc days sx i still just showcross completly made for the audience and shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence as mxgp vs the nationals because then we might just as well start including the enduro gp guys and suoermoto dudes in the same ekvation as well, and that would be retarded..

So now when we have straightened this out we can start discussin the herlings vs tomac/mxgp vs the nationals a bit more more. When it comes to the fastest riders i Can say that the 2 fastest racers right now is for sure herlings and tomac and both of them could win races in either series first year racing in either one, it would be down to who makes the least misstakes in Most races but on tracks on an high elevation or when it is really hot and/or humid tomac would have a slight advantage just as herlings would have on a sandtrack or in a mud race. The problem here with tomac is that he is a bit inconsistant as we have se en for years and be lets things get to him and rides bad if that happens. I do Think that gajser if he rode as he did in 2016 or the first races last season would be as fast as them but i Believe he is done in europe, lost his drive to win here due to having won both classes before. He just wants to win in america now and not to mention be injured himself last year after winning the first couple of gp's and did the same( really bad) before this season and missed races. After them comes cairoli (who really isnt slower than theese dudes, just having a hard time getting his fitness up to the level of theese kids that are 8-12 years younger than him) and after them comes musquin, roczen,anderso, febvre and desalle (fast as fuck on a good day) with barcia being as fast as them on a good day.

When it comes to mxgp vs the nationals there isnt even much to discuss about wich is harder to win because you cant compare racing on home soil and on perfectly groomed tracks to going halfway across the Word to a different country where you have never been and withouth speaking the language and completly different cultures, different climates, different food etc, its retarded to Think that mxgp would be easier to win even if you only compared these factors to racing in the country u live in with everything except climate being similar/same and then we havnt begun to discuss the other factors like the fact that the gp guys cant and dont practice at all on most tracks on the gp circuit because of distance and Costs to do it and other factors like jetlag, different time zones (night and day differences, not and hour or two as some might think) , completly different temperatures, humidity etc and that fact that most weeks between races are just travelling without having even a quarter of the time to train compared to what us based racers have in between races and the biggest factor of all that is the fact that the gp series is twice as long as the nationals, twice as many weeks where u have to make sure to stay healthy and to not mess up.

And the last thing i wanna say to u guys is that mxon doesent prove shit because the sport is bigger in the us than in all off europe combined and france and america are the only 2 who have complete teams with top riders in each series.

HusqFan3 wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen so much rambling, nonsensical B.S., wrapped up into one post. You literally state "time in the saddle is still time...

I don't think I've ever seen so much rambling, nonsensical B.S., wrapped up into one post.

You literally state "time in the saddle is still time in the saddle and racing is still racing no matter if its mx or sx" then in the very same breath go onto to say "sx i still just showcross completly made for the audience and shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence as mxgp vs the nationals because then we might just as well start including the enduro gp guys and suoermoto dudes in the same ekvation as well, and that would be retarded"

Which one is it is racing racing or should they not be mentioned in the same sentence?

As for the part about MXGP riders having to travel across so many time zones and race halfway across the world. 1) what does language, culture, and food have to do with racing a dirt bike and 2) yes they make a few long trips but remind me again what percentage of USGP races occur within Europe?

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

Seems like you never experienced jetlag. Thats all i Can say. U fint need to have einstein as your last name to understand that its hard...

Seems like you never experienced jetlag. Thats all i Can say. U fint need to have einstein as your last name to understand that its hard on ppl travelling to different cultures with different time zones every week like quatar, russia, turkey , asia etc.

What i meant about sx is that its still riding and racing even the its just an american thing and for show. Should be a 17rd nationals and a 10rd sx instead.

biscuit11 wrote:

I think Roczen and Musquin are superior to Cairolli at the moment. Eli has only lost 1 mxgp moto in 6 tries, 1-1 on a temporary...

I think Roczen and Musquin are superior to Cairolli at the moment. Eli has only lost 1 mxgp moto in 6 tries, 1-1 on a temporary track and 1-3 against Herlings on a track he had never been to before. The euros racing here push him harder than that... Herlings won here the last race when Eli had nerves and other things going on that were priority so we didnt get an even race. Musquin showed that he can also run with Herlings and Roczen is obviously close now and will be there soon. Its a very small sample size and the dead horse will be kicked into oblivion untill MXoN and I think will get worse after. They are both the fastest in the world, either can win on any day and nobody would be suprised. Every week I watch them both and just enjoy the show...

RG1 wrote:

Roczen and Musquin are not Superior to Cairoli, right now. Musquin never has been and never will be. Roczen at his best probably is but he's...

Roczen and Musquin are not Superior to Cairoli, right now. Musquin never has been and never will be. Roczen at his best probably is but he's a long way from that at the moment. I don't think you understand how fast Desalle, Gajser, Febvre etc. are. They are all incredibly fast and all that group of guys would be podium material in an AMA national, just as they are in GP's. Desalle is the best of those guys in the points, and he is over 130 points behind Cairoli. Herlings makes everyone else look worse than they are. You'll see at MXdN that those guys are no joke

RichardLoots wrote:

The Netherlands , last 2 MXON races ended up second after France and the winner of MXON 2018 :laugh: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/08/24/282558/s1200_usa.jpg[/img] :laugh:

The Netherlands , last 2 MXON races ended up second after France and the winner of MXON 2018

KDXGarage wrote:

Richard Loots, even through your orange tinted glasses, do you publicly, honestly think that Coldenhoff is going to be towards the top at Red Bud? I...

Richard Loots, even through your orange tinted glasses, do you publicly, honestly think that Coldenhoff is going to be towards the top at Red Bud? I mean, seriously.

To all the other people from the Netherlands, if Herlings gets hurt between now and October 7th, PLEASE immediately put Richard Loots on suicide watch, as he will have nothing to live for and post about OVER, and OVER and OVER about on VitalMX. Thank you.

keinz wrote:

Estonia. Twice 4th in MXDN. I think it was 2004 when we was 3th in points in the final race, till Leoks clutch give up in...

Estonia.
Twice 4th in MXDN. I think it was 2004 when we was 3th in points in the final race, till Leoks clutch give up in the final laps.

mattyhamz2 wrote:

What ever happened to Juus Lansoo(spelling?)? He stayed with a buddy of mine and was such a good rider, then just disappeared all of a sudden...

What ever happened to Juus Lansoo(spelling?)? He stayed with a buddy of mine and was such a good rider, then just disappeared all of a sudden. Always wondered what happened to him

mattyhamz2 wrote:

What ever happened to Juus Lansoo(spelling?)? He stayed with a buddy of mine and was such a good rider, then just disappeared all of a sudden...

What ever happened to Juus Lansoo(spelling?)? He stayed with a buddy of mine and was such a good rider, then just disappeared all of a sudden. Always wondered what happened to him

keinz wrote:

SX happened. Injured his wrist badly as i remember, and the guy never been the same. Quit racing couple of years ago. At some point he...

SX happened. Injured his wrist badly as i remember, and the guy never been the same. Quit racing couple of years ago. At some point he stayed at Jim Holleys place. Still remember the stories

KDXGarage wrote:

Richard Loots, even through your orange tinted glasses, do you publicly, honestly think that Coldenhoff is going to be towards the top at Red Bud? I...

Richard Loots, even through your orange tinted glasses, do you publicly, honestly think that Coldenhoff is going to be towards the top at Red Bud? I mean, seriously.

To all the other people from the Netherlands, if Herlings gets hurt between now and October 7th, PLEASE immediately put Richard Loots on suicide watch, as he will have nothing to live for and post about OVER, and OVER and OVER about on VitalMX. Thank you.

KDXGarage wrote:

Richard Loots, even through your orange tinted glasses, do you publicly, honestly think that Coldenhoff is going to be towards the top at Red Bud? I...

Richard Loots, even through your orange tinted glasses, do you publicly, honestly think that Coldenhoff is going to be towards the top at Red Bud? I mean, seriously.

To all the other people from the Netherlands, if Herlings gets hurt between now and October 7th, PLEASE immediately put Richard Loots on suicide watch, as he will have nothing to live for and post about OVER, and OVER and OVER about on VitalMX. Thank you.

KDXGarage wrote:

Richard Loots, even through your orange tinted glasses, do you publicly, honestly think that Coldenhoff is going to be towards the top at Red Bud? I...

Richard Loots, even through your orange tinted glasses, do you publicly, honestly think that Coldenhoff is going to be towards the top at Red Bud? I mean, seriously.

To all the other people from the Netherlands, if Herlings gets hurt between now and October 7th, PLEASE immediately put Richard Loots on suicide watch, as he will have nothing to live for and post about OVER, and OVER and OVER about on VitalMX. Thank you.

crusty_xx wrote:

I think you're underestimating Coldenhoff a little. He just finished 4th in Switzerland. Barcia went backwards to 5-6 this weekend, Phil almost beat him in moto...

I think you're underestimating Coldenhoff a little.

He just finished 4th in Switzerland. Barcia went backwards to 5-6 this weekend, Phil almost beat him in moto 2 and for the overall...
Coldenhoff has been outside the top 10 only once in 4 years (11th place last year in the mud) at the mxdn (in combined motos)

KDXGarage wrote:

Richard Loots, even through your orange tinted glasses, do you publicly, honestly think that Coldenhoff is going to be towards the top at Red Bud? I...

Richard Loots, even through your orange tinted glasses, do you publicly, honestly think that Coldenhoff is going to be towards the top at Red Bud? I mean, seriously.

To all the other people from the Netherlands, if Herlings gets hurt between now and October 7th, PLEASE immediately put Richard Loots on suicide watch, as he will have nothing to live for and post about OVER, and OVER and OVER about on VitalMX. Thank you.

crusty_xx wrote:

I think you're underestimating Coldenhoff a little. He just finished 4th in Switzerland. Barcia went backwards to 5-6 this weekend, Phil almost beat him in moto...

I think you're underestimating Coldenhoff a little.

He just finished 4th in Switzerland. Barcia went backwards to 5-6 this weekend, Phil almost beat him in moto 2 and for the overall...
Coldenhoff has been outside the top 10 only once in 4 years (11th place last year in the mud) at the mxdn (in combined motos)

zehn wrote:

Can you stfu with your rambling already

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

As i stated before , tomac, marv n rocz8en would do well in either series but im amazed on how naive some ppl here are when...

As i stated before , tomac, marv n rocz8en would do well in either series but im amazed on how naive some ppl here are when they even try to defend the nationals by saying that the series as a Whole is equal to the gp's.

Take Phil nicoletti as an example. He is 7th in points in the nationals and in what world would he beat coldenhoff who is 7th in points in the gp's?. Saying Phil is on par with Glenn would be completly retarded. But for fun, lets go through the top 10 in each series and compare their achievments in the sport. No need to reeducate the americans here on marv, tomac, bagget, kenny or webb. But, what about peick, bloss, Cunningham, nicoletti etc?.

Mxgp.
1. Herlings 3x mx2 world champion, 7 time dutch pro national champion, 1x smx cup overall win, a couple mxon race wins, 80 overall gp wins

2. cairoli 9x world champion, 10x italian national champion. Many mxon race wins incuding winning all his races mxon 2012 and 2013. 85 overall gp wins

3.desalle 1x mxon overall win, 3x mxgp bronze, 3x mxgp silver, 23 overall gp wins. Multiple belgian nationals champion

4.febvre 1x world champion, 1x european champion, 1 mxon overall win , 12 overall gp wins

5.gajser 2x world champion (mx2 + mxgp), 1x 65cc european champion, 1x 85cc european champion, 1x junior world champion 125cc. 15 overall gp wins

6.paulin 4x mxon overall wins, 4x mxon race wins 11 gp victories, 1x mxgp silver, 1x mx2 bronze, 1x mx2 european champion. 12 overall gp wins

7. Coldenhoff 5 overall gp wins. 1x dutch champion

8. Seewer 2x mx2 silver, 1x junior world championship silver, 1x adac masters silver 5 overall gp wins.

9. Van horebeek 1x mxon overall win, 1x italian national pro champion mx2, 2 overall gp wins

10. Anstie 2x mxgp mx2 silver, won both his motos mxon 2017, 2x bercy sx winner 6 overall gp wins. British national champion.

I ask u to try to compare anstie's stats for example with the stats of bloss or nicoletti. The difference here is that mxgp top 20 is stacked with dudes who have won gp's, won multiple national pro championships, emx championships, junior world championships, mxon races and dudes who has been on the podium in the championship before.

Ama nationals
1. Tomac
2.marv
3.kenny
4.barcia
5. Bagget
6.peick
7.nicoletti
8.bloss
9.cunningham
10.webb

I ask you americans. Do you honestly Believe bloss, cunningham, filthy phil or peick could win overall races in the nationals on a dry track?. Atleast 15ppl as far as i know in the gp's have won overalls so how and why would anyone Think that the nationals is more stacked?!?.

Lets face it even rv2 Said just a couple of weeks ago that the mxgp series is faster and better than the nationals and he knows more about mx than all of us here combined and have raced both, bagget Said that he needed to go to europe last year because herlings took them to school, a-mart said he wanted to go over to europe and try a same race and admitted he would be fucked etc etc. There is a couple of dudes equal to the top in the gp's but comparing overall series is just dumb.

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

As i stated before , tomac, marv n rocz8en would do well in either series but im amazed on how naive some ppl here are when...

As i stated before , tomac, marv n rocz8en would do well in either series but im amazed on how naive some ppl here are when they even try to defend the nationals by saying that the series as a Whole is equal to the gp's.

Take Phil nicoletti as an example. He is 7th in points in the nationals and in what world would he beat coldenhoff who is 7th in points in the gp's?. Saying Phil is on par with Glenn would be completly retarded. But for fun, lets go through the top 10 in each series and compare their achievments in the sport. No need to reeducate the americans here on marv, tomac, bagget, kenny or webb. But, what about peick, bloss, Cunningham, nicoletti etc?.

Mxgp.
1. Herlings 3x mx2 world champion, 7 time dutch pro national champion, 1x smx cup overall win, a couple mxon race wins, 80 overall gp wins

2. cairoli 9x world champion, 10x italian national champion. Many mxon race wins incuding winning all his races mxon 2012 and 2013. 85 overall gp wins

3.desalle 1x mxon overall win, 3x mxgp bronze, 3x mxgp silver, 23 overall gp wins. Multiple belgian nationals champion

4.febvre 1x world champion, 1x european champion, 1 mxon overall win , 12 overall gp wins

5.gajser 2x world champion (mx2 + mxgp), 1x 65cc european champion, 1x 85cc european champion, 1x junior world champion 125cc. 15 overall gp wins

6.paulin 4x mxon overall wins, 4x mxon race wins 11 gp victories, 1x mxgp silver, 1x mx2 bronze, 1x mx2 european champion. 12 overall gp wins

7. Coldenhoff 5 overall gp wins. 1x dutch champion

8. Seewer 2x mx2 silver, 1x junior world championship silver, 1x adac masters silver 5 overall gp wins.

9. Van horebeek 1x mxon overall win, 1x italian national pro champion mx2, 2 overall gp wins

10. Anstie 2x mxgp mx2 silver, won both his motos mxon 2017, 2x bercy sx winner 6 overall gp wins. British national champion.

I ask u to try to compare anstie's stats for example with the stats of bloss or nicoletti. The difference here is that mxgp top 20 is stacked with dudes who have won gp's, won multiple national pro championships, emx championships, junior world championships, mxon races and dudes who has been on the podium in the championship before.

Ama nationals
1. Tomac
2.marv
3.kenny
4.barcia
5. Bagget
6.peick
7.nicoletti
8.bloss
9.cunningham
10.webb

I ask you americans. Do you honestly Believe bloss, cunningham, filthy phil or peick could win overall races in the nationals on a dry track?. Atleast 15ppl as far as i know in the gp's have won overalls so how and why would anyone Think that the nationals is more stacked?!?.

Lets face it even rv2 Said just a couple of weeks ago that the mxgp series is faster and better than the nationals and he knows more about mx than all of us here combined and have raced both, bagget Said that he needed to go to europe last year because herlings took them to school, a-mart said he wanted to go over to europe and try a same race and admitted he would be fucked etc etc. There is a couple of dudes equal to the top in the gp's but comparing overall series is just dumb.

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

As i stated before , tomac, marv n rocz8en would do well in either series but im amazed on how naive some ppl here are when...

As i stated before , tomac, marv n rocz8en would do well in either series but im amazed on how naive some ppl here are when they even try to defend the nationals by saying that the series as a Whole is equal to the gp's.

Take Phil nicoletti as an example. He is 7th in points in the nationals and in what world would he beat coldenhoff who is 7th in points in the gp's?. Saying Phil is on par with Glenn would be completly retarded. But for fun, lets go through the top 10 in each series and compare their achievments in the sport. No need to reeducate the americans here on marv, tomac, bagget, kenny or webb. But, what about peick, bloss, Cunningham, nicoletti etc?.

Mxgp.
1. Herlings 3x mx2 world champion, 7 time dutch pro national champion, 1x smx cup overall win, a couple mxon race wins, 80 overall gp wins

2. cairoli 9x world champion, 10x italian national champion. Many mxon race wins incuding winning all his races mxon 2012 and 2013. 85 overall gp wins

3.desalle 1x mxon overall win, 3x mxgp bronze, 3x mxgp silver, 23 overall gp wins. Multiple belgian nationals champion

4.febvre 1x world champion, 1x european champion, 1 mxon overall win , 12 overall gp wins

5.gajser 2x world champion (mx2 + mxgp), 1x 65cc european champion, 1x 85cc european champion, 1x junior world champion 125cc. 15 overall gp wins

6.paulin 4x mxon overall wins, 4x mxon race wins 11 gp victories, 1x mxgp silver, 1x mx2 bronze, 1x mx2 european champion. 12 overall gp wins

7. Coldenhoff 5 overall gp wins. 1x dutch champion

8. Seewer 2x mx2 silver, 1x junior world championship silver, 1x adac masters silver 5 overall gp wins.

9. Van horebeek 1x mxon overall win, 1x italian national pro champion mx2, 2 overall gp wins

10. Anstie 2x mxgp mx2 silver, won both his motos mxon 2017, 2x bercy sx winner 6 overall gp wins. British national champion.

I ask u to try to compare anstie's stats for example with the stats of bloss or nicoletti. The difference here is that mxgp top 20 is stacked with dudes who have won gp's, won multiple national pro championships, emx championships, junior world championships, mxon races and dudes who has been on the podium in the championship before.

Ama nationals
1. Tomac
2.marv
3.kenny
4.barcia
5. Bagget
6.peick
7.nicoletti
8.bloss
9.cunningham
10.webb

I ask you americans. Do you honestly Believe bloss, cunningham, filthy phil or peick could win overall races in the nationals on a dry track?. Atleast 15ppl as far as i know in the gp's have won overalls so how and why would anyone Think that the nationals is more stacked?!?.

Lets face it even rv2 Said just a couple of weeks ago that the mxgp series is faster and better than the nationals and he knows more about mx than all of us here combined and have raced both, bagget Said that he needed to go to europe last year because herlings took them to school, a-mart said he wanted to go over to europe and try a same race and admitted he would be fucked etc etc. There is a couple of dudes equal to the top in the gp's but comparing overall series is just dumb.

clem wrote:

Thanks for leaving out Kenny's championships, Marvin's championships, Tomac's championships, Webbs championship, Bagget's championship, Anderson's moto wins etc.?

MrKnowNothing wrote:

Herlings is gonna make Tomac look like a C rider

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

As i stated before , tomac, marv n rocz8en would do well in either series but im amazed on how naive some ppl here are when...

As i stated before , tomac, marv n rocz8en would do well in either series but im amazed on how naive some ppl here are when they even try to defend the nationals by saying that the series as a Whole is equal to the gp's.

Take Phil nicoletti as an example. He is 7th in points in the nationals and in what world would he beat coldenhoff who is 7th in points in the gp's?. Saying Phil is on par with Glenn would be completly retarded. But for fun, lets go through the top 10 in each series and compare their achievments in the sport. No need to reeducate the americans here on marv, tomac, bagget, kenny or webb. But, what about peick, bloss, Cunningham, nicoletti etc?.

Mxgp.
1. Herlings 3x mx2 world champion, 7 time dutch pro national champion, 1x smx cup overall win, a couple mxon race wins, 80 overall gp wins

2. cairoli 9x world champion, 10x italian national champion. Many mxon race wins incuding winning all his races mxon 2012 and 2013. 85 overall gp wins

3.desalle 1x mxon overall win, 3x mxgp bronze, 3x mxgp silver, 23 overall gp wins. Multiple belgian nationals champion

4.febvre 1x world champion, 1x european champion, 1 mxon overall win , 12 overall gp wins

5.gajser 2x world champion (mx2 + mxgp), 1x 65cc european champion, 1x 85cc european champion, 1x junior world champion 125cc. 15 overall gp wins

6.paulin 4x mxon overall wins, 4x mxon race wins 11 gp victories, 1x mxgp silver, 1x mx2 bronze, 1x mx2 european champion. 12 overall gp wins

7. Coldenhoff 5 overall gp wins. 1x dutch champion

8. Seewer 2x mx2 silver, 1x junior world championship silver, 1x adac masters silver 5 overall gp wins.

9. Van horebeek 1x mxon overall win, 1x italian national pro champion mx2, 2 overall gp wins

10. Anstie 2x mxgp mx2 silver, won both his motos mxon 2017, 2x bercy sx winner 6 overall gp wins. British national champion.

I ask u to try to compare anstie's stats for example with the stats of bloss or nicoletti. The difference here is that mxgp top 20 is stacked with dudes who have won gp's, won multiple national pro championships, emx championships, junior world championships, mxon races and dudes who has been on the podium in the championship before.

Ama nationals
1. Tomac
2.marv
3.kenny
4.barcia
5. Bagget
6.peick
7.nicoletti
8.bloss
9.cunningham
10.webb

I ask you americans. Do you honestly Believe bloss, cunningham, filthy phil or peick could win overall races in the nationals on a dry track?. Atleast 15ppl as far as i know in the gp's have won overalls so how and why would anyone Think that the nationals is more stacked?!?.

Lets face it even rv2 Said just a couple of weeks ago that the mxgp series is faster and better than the nationals and he knows more about mx than all of us here combined and have raced both, bagget Said that he needed to go to europe last year because herlings took them to school, a-mart said he wanted to go over to europe and try a same race and admitted he would be fucked etc etc. There is a couple of dudes equal to the top in the gp's but comparing overall series is just dumb.

clem wrote:

Thanks for leaving out Kenny's championships, Marvin's championships, Tomac's championships, Webbs championship, Bagget's championship, Anderson's moto wins etc.?

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

As i stated before , tomac, marv n rocz8en would do well in either series but im amazed on how naive some ppl here are when...

As i stated before , tomac, marv n rocz8en would do well in either series but im amazed on how naive some ppl here are when they even try to defend the nationals by saying that the series as a Whole is equal to the gp's.

Take Phil nicoletti as an example. He is 7th in points in the nationals and in what world would he beat coldenhoff who is 7th in points in the gp's?. Saying Phil is on par with Glenn would be completly retarded. But for fun, lets go through the top 10 in each series and compare their achievments in the sport. No need to reeducate the americans here on marv, tomac, bagget, kenny or webb. But, what about peick, bloss, Cunningham, nicoletti etc?.

Mxgp.
1. Herlings 3x mx2 world champion, 7 time dutch pro national champion, 1x smx cup overall win, a couple mxon race wins, 80 overall gp wins

2. cairoli 9x world champion, 10x italian national champion. Many mxon race wins incuding winning all his races mxon 2012 and 2013. 85 overall gp wins

3.desalle 1x mxon overall win, 3x mxgp bronze, 3x mxgp silver, 23 overall gp wins. Multiple belgian nationals champion

4.febvre 1x world champion, 1x european champion, 1 mxon overall win , 12 overall gp wins

5.gajser 2x world champion (mx2 + mxgp), 1x 65cc european champion, 1x 85cc european champion, 1x junior world champion 125cc. 15 overall gp wins

6.paulin 4x mxon overall wins, 4x mxon race wins 11 gp victories, 1x mxgp silver, 1x mx2 bronze, 1x mx2 european champion. 12 overall gp wins

7. Coldenhoff 5 overall gp wins. 1x dutch champion

8. Seewer 2x mx2 silver, 1x junior world championship silver, 1x adac masters silver 5 overall gp wins.

9. Van horebeek 1x mxon overall win, 1x italian national pro champion mx2, 2 overall gp wins

10. Anstie 2x mxgp mx2 silver, won both his motos mxon 2017, 2x bercy sx winner 6 overall gp wins. British national champion.

I ask u to try to compare anstie's stats for example with the stats of bloss or nicoletti. The difference here is that mxgp top 20 is stacked with dudes who have won gp's, won multiple national pro championships, emx championships, junior world championships, mxon races and dudes who has been on the podium in the championship before.

Ama nationals
1. Tomac
2.marv
3.kenny
4.barcia
5. Bagget
6.peick
7.nicoletti
8.bloss
9.cunningham
10.webb

I ask you americans. Do you honestly Believe bloss, cunningham, filthy phil or peick could win overall races in the nationals on a dry track?. Atleast 15ppl as far as i know in the gp's have won overalls so how and why would anyone Think that the nationals is more stacked?!?.

Lets face it even rv2 Said just a couple of weeks ago that the mxgp series is faster and better than the nationals and he knows more about mx than all of us here combined and have raced both, bagget Said that he needed to go to europe last year because herlings took them to school, a-mart said he wanted to go over to europe and try a same race and admitted he would be fucked etc etc. There is a couple of dudes equal to the top in the gp's but comparing overall series is just dumb.

mattyhamz2 wrote:

I would say that the field is probably deeper in the GP's than here in the US. With that said, other than CD25, no one is...

I would say that the field is probably deeper in the GP's than here in the US. With that said, other than CD25, no one is going to straight up beat Herlings or AC over there unless they crash or get hurt. Here in the US we have a few more guys capable of actually winning a moto than the GP's, but only 2 maybe 3 more. After the top 5 it's a huge drop. In the GP's there are two guys that are almost guaranteed to win each week with 3-10 being guys that run close to the same pace, then after that it drops way off like it does here.

Would you agree with that?