Tomac vs Herlings

shaffstall721 wrote:

All of your post make 0 sense. No one cares who you think is a better rider. If Tomac wins both motos for now he is...

All of your post make 0 sense. No one cares who you think is a better rider. If Tomac wins both motos for now he is considered the higher level rider. That’s how this works.

RG1 wrote:

That's dumb. Which one of the two is better comes down to more than just one event for me. Herlings has won 25 out of 30...

That's dumb. Which one of the two is better comes down to more than just one event for me. Herlings has won 25 out of 30 motos this year, never finished worse than 3rd in a Moto, and if it wasn't for missing one round he would currently have over 100 point lead on argubly the best GP rider ever. Tomac doesn't suddenly become the better rider to me if he beats Herlings at Red Bud. Not even close. By that logic everyone must have thought Anstie was a better rider than Herlings last year. He's obviously not. Whatever happens at Red Bud won't change my opinion that Herlings is the better rider of the two, because what has been happening for the last 12 months counts for more than what happens on one specific day

BAD10 wrote:

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word...

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word... “Supercross”! Herlings would crash and burn in SX and get smoked by the top ten indoors, so on that alone Tomac overall is the better rider as he has a larger skill set.

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

Been Reading every post about europe vs america for the last 15 years and im a bit tired of the dick measuring contest to say the...

Been Reading every post about europe vs america for the last 15 years and im a bit tired of the dick measuring contest to say the least so now its was time to start an account here for me and get shit straight.

1st - For you ppl saying you cant compare because americans train half the year for sx and so on i Think you need to realize that 85% of europe is covered in snow and ice from november to march/april and that includes belgium where Most mxgp teams are based and England where some other teams are based is just snow covered mud during the winter time. Most factory teams Will do some training in spain and italy during winter time, but(!) Its not like they are There training for months, its just a Couple of weeks so winter time when the us based riders are still competing is more or less off time for the gp dudes.

2nd - time in the saddle is still time in the saddle and racing is still racing no matter if its mx or sx so americans should have the advantage there, and sx doesnt matter because even tho i love sx and have watched every race since the mc days sx i still just showcross completly made for the audience and shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence as mxgp vs the nationals because then we might just as well start including the enduro gp guys and suoermoto dudes in the same ekvation as well, and that would be retarded..

So now when we have straightened this out we can start discussin the herlings vs tomac/mxgp vs the nationals a bit more more. When it comes to the fastest riders i Can say that the 2 fastest racers right now is for sure herlings and tomac and both of them could win races in either series first year racing in either one, it would be down to who makes the least misstakes in Most races but on tracks on an high elevation or when it is really hot and/or humid tomac would have a slight advantage just as herlings would have on a sandtrack or in a mud race. The problem here with tomac is that he is a bit inconsistant as we have se en for years and be lets things get to him and rides bad if that happens. I do Think that gajser if he rode as he did in 2016 or the first races last season would be as fast as them but i Believe he is done in europe, lost his drive to win here due to having won both classes before. He just wants to win in america now and not to mention be injured himself last year after winning the first couple of gp's and did the same( really bad) before this season and missed races. After them comes cairoli (who really isnt slower than theese dudes, just having a hard time getting his fitness up to the level of theese kids that are 8-12 years younger than him) and after them comes musquin, roczen,anderso, febvre and desalle (fast as fuck on a good day) with barcia being as fast as them on a good day.

When it comes to mxgp vs the nationals there isnt even much to discuss about wich is harder to win because you cant compare racing on home soil and on perfectly groomed tracks to going halfway across the Word to a different country where you have never been and withouth speaking the language and completly different cultures, different climates, different food etc, its retarded to Think that mxgp would be easier to win even if you only compared these factors to racing in the country u live in with everything except climate being similar/same and then we havnt begun to discuss the other factors like the fact that the gp guys cant and dont practice at all on most tracks on the gp circuit because of distance and Costs to do it and other factors like jetlag, different time zones (night and day differences, not and hour or two as some might think) , completly different temperatures, humidity etc and that fact that most weeks between races are just travelling without having even a quarter of the time to train compared to what us based racers have in between races and the biggest factor of all that is the fact that the gp series is twice as long as the nationals, twice as many weeks where u have to make sure to stay healthy and to not mess up.

And the last thing i wanna say to u guys is that mxon doesent prove shit because the sport is bigger in the us than in all off europe combined and france and america are the only 2 who have complete teams with top riders in each series.

HusqFan3 wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen so much rambling, nonsensical B.S., wrapped up into one post. You literally state "time in the saddle is still time...

I don't think I've ever seen so much rambling, nonsensical B.S., wrapped up into one post.

You literally state "time in the saddle is still time in the saddle and racing is still racing no matter if its mx or sx" then in the very same breath go onto to say "sx i still just showcross completly made for the audience and shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence as mxgp vs the nationals because then we might just as well start including the enduro gp guys and suoermoto dudes in the same ekvation as well, and that would be retarded"

Which one is it is racing racing or should they not be mentioned in the same sentence?

As for the part about MXGP riders having to travel across so many time zones and race halfway across the world. 1) what does language, culture, and food have to do with racing a dirt bike and 2) yes they make a few long trips but remind me again what percentage of USGP races occur within Europe?

shaffstall721 wrote:

All of your post make 0 sense. No one cares who you think is a better rider. If Tomac wins both motos for now he is...

All of your post make 0 sense. No one cares who you think is a better rider. If Tomac wins both motos for now he is considered the higher level rider. That’s how this works.

RG1 wrote:

That's dumb. Which one of the two is better comes down to more than just one event for me. Herlings has won 25 out of 30...

That's dumb. Which one of the two is better comes down to more than just one event for me. Herlings has won 25 out of 30 motos this year, never finished worse than 3rd in a Moto, and if it wasn't for missing one round he would currently have over 100 point lead on argubly the best GP rider ever. Tomac doesn't suddenly become the better rider to me if he beats Herlings at Red Bud. Not even close. By that logic everyone must have thought Anstie was a better rider than Herlings last year. He's obviously not. Whatever happens at Red Bud won't change my opinion that Herlings is the better rider of the two, because what has been happening for the last 12 months counts for more than what happens on one specific day

BAD10 wrote:

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word...

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word... “Supercross”! Herlings would crash and burn in SX and get smoked by the top ten indoors, so on that alone Tomac overall is the better rider as he has a larger skill set.

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

Been Reading every post about europe vs america for the last 15 years and im a bit tired of the dick measuring contest to say the...

Been Reading every post about europe vs america for the last 15 years and im a bit tired of the dick measuring contest to say the least so now its was time to start an account here for me and get shit straight.

1st - For you ppl saying you cant compare because americans train half the year for sx and so on i Think you need to realize that 85% of europe is covered in snow and ice from november to march/april and that includes belgium where Most mxgp teams are based and England where some other teams are based is just snow covered mud during the winter time. Most factory teams Will do some training in spain and italy during winter time, but(!) Its not like they are There training for months, its just a Couple of weeks so winter time when the us based riders are still competing is more or less off time for the gp dudes.

2nd - time in the saddle is still time in the saddle and racing is still racing no matter if its mx or sx so americans should have the advantage there, and sx doesnt matter because even tho i love sx and have watched every race since the mc days sx i still just showcross completly made for the audience and shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence as mxgp vs the nationals because then we might just as well start including the enduro gp guys and suoermoto dudes in the same ekvation as well, and that would be retarded..

So now when we have straightened this out we can start discussin the herlings vs tomac/mxgp vs the nationals a bit more more. When it comes to the fastest riders i Can say that the 2 fastest racers right now is for sure herlings and tomac and both of them could win races in either series first year racing in either one, it would be down to who makes the least misstakes in Most races but on tracks on an high elevation or when it is really hot and/or humid tomac would have a slight advantage just as herlings would have on a sandtrack or in a mud race. The problem here with tomac is that he is a bit inconsistant as we have se en for years and be lets things get to him and rides bad if that happens. I do Think that gajser if he rode as he did in 2016 or the first races last season would be as fast as them but i Believe he is done in europe, lost his drive to win here due to having won both classes before. He just wants to win in america now and not to mention be injured himself last year after winning the first couple of gp's and did the same( really bad) before this season and missed races. After them comes cairoli (who really isnt slower than theese dudes, just having a hard time getting his fitness up to the level of theese kids that are 8-12 years younger than him) and after them comes musquin, roczen,anderso, febvre and desalle (fast as fuck on a good day) with barcia being as fast as them on a good day.

When it comes to mxgp vs the nationals there isnt even much to discuss about wich is harder to win because you cant compare racing on home soil and on perfectly groomed tracks to going halfway across the Word to a different country where you have never been and withouth speaking the language and completly different cultures, different climates, different food etc, its retarded to Think that mxgp would be easier to win even if you only compared these factors to racing in the country u live in with everything except climate being similar/same and then we havnt begun to discuss the other factors like the fact that the gp guys cant and dont practice at all on most tracks on the gp circuit because of distance and Costs to do it and other factors like jetlag, different time zones (night and day differences, not and hour or two as some might think) , completly different temperatures, humidity etc and that fact that most weeks between races are just travelling without having even a quarter of the time to train compared to what us based racers have in between races and the biggest factor of all that is the fact that the gp series is twice as long as the nationals, twice as many weeks where u have to make sure to stay healthy and to not mess up.

And the last thing i wanna say to u guys is that mxon doesent prove shit because the sport is bigger in the us than in all off europe combined and france and america are the only 2 who have complete teams with top riders in each series.

HusqFan3 wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen so much rambling, nonsensical B.S., wrapped up into one post. You literally state "time in the saddle is still time...

I don't think I've ever seen so much rambling, nonsensical B.S., wrapped up into one post.

You literally state "time in the saddle is still time in the saddle and racing is still racing no matter if its mx or sx" then in the very same breath go onto to say "sx i still just showcross completly made for the audience and shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence as mxgp vs the nationals because then we might just as well start including the enduro gp guys and suoermoto dudes in the same ekvation as well, and that would be retarded"

Which one is it is racing racing or should they not be mentioned in the same sentence?

As for the part about MXGP riders having to travel across so many time zones and race halfway across the world. 1) what does language, culture, and food have to do with racing a dirt bike and 2) yes they make a few long trips but remind me again what percentage of USGP races occur within Europe?

clem wrote:

Yeah like the trip from southern California to Unadilla is just a short drive up the freeway. The travel part is a lame excuse. All pro...

Yeah like the trip from southern California to Unadilla is just a short drive up the freeway. The travel part is a lame excuse. All pro motocrossers travel! And dude do you think that Eli is riding up in the Colorado mountains during winter? They train in the warm spots for winter just like the gp guys.

shaffstall721 wrote:

All of your post make 0 sense. No one cares who you think is a better rider. If Tomac wins both motos for now he is...

All of your post make 0 sense. No one cares who you think is a better rider. If Tomac wins both motos for now he is considered the higher level rider. That’s how this works.

RG1 wrote:

That's dumb. Which one of the two is better comes down to more than just one event for me. Herlings has won 25 out of 30...

That's dumb. Which one of the two is better comes down to more than just one event for me. Herlings has won 25 out of 30 motos this year, never finished worse than 3rd in a Moto, and if it wasn't for missing one round he would currently have over 100 point lead on argubly the best GP rider ever. Tomac doesn't suddenly become the better rider to me if he beats Herlings at Red Bud. Not even close. By that logic everyone must have thought Anstie was a better rider than Herlings last year. He's obviously not. Whatever happens at Red Bud won't change my opinion that Herlings is the better rider of the two, because what has been happening for the last 12 months counts for more than what happens on one specific day

wanglimp wrote:

Your two comments tell a different story to me than what you are actually saying. I think you are just trying to mentally prepare for Tomac...

Your two comments tell a different story to me than what you are actually saying. I think you are just trying to mentally prepare for Tomac beating Herlings. Which is a bit of a pickle for you since you are obviously a Herlings fan. Deep down you know he will be beat by Tomac, which also means you know deep down Tomac is better, or else why would you already be making this excuse in public? Well the public announcement is just so you can use it later to say "see I always felt this way".

BAD10 wrote:

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word...

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word... “Supercross”! Herlings would crash and burn in SX and get smoked by the top ten indoors, so on that alone Tomac overall is the better rider as he has a larger skill set.

pilotdude wrote:

Tomac could never beat Herlings on a neutral MX track like in Florida last year. Herlings is too fast.

drt410 wrote:

Thats just really weird to mention a specific track that Tomac did indeed beat Herlings at. I dont understand your logic here.

BAD10 wrote:

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word...

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word... “Supercross”! Herlings would crash and burn in SX and get smoked by the top ten indoors, so on that alone Tomac overall is the better rider as he has a larger skill set.

kb228 wrote:

Euro riders: race outdoors only, and 2/3 of the year. Americans: race sx(meatgrinder) and outdoors for 3/4 of the year. Totalling more rounds than euros. All...

Euro riders: race outdoors only, and 2/3 of the year.

Americans: race sx(meatgrinder) and outdoors for 3/4 of the year. Totalling more rounds than euros. All the while still being on par or better than the rest of the WORLD.

Seriously, name 1 other country besides the states that has as many top 10 riders.

Tomac dominates musquin and roczen which are european prodigies.

Nod to tomac. Hes more well rounded.

Even if herlings wins at mxdn, he still needs to prove himself in SX. Its the hardest form of dirtbike racing period.

BAD10 wrote:

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word...

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word... “Supercross”! Herlings would crash and burn in SX and get smoked by the top ten indoors, so on that alone Tomac overall is the better rider as he has a larger skill set.

kb228 wrote:

Euro riders: race outdoors only, and 2/3 of the year. Americans: race sx(meatgrinder) and outdoors for 3/4 of the year. Totalling more rounds than euros. All...

Euro riders: race outdoors only, and 2/3 of the year.

Americans: race sx(meatgrinder) and outdoors for 3/4 of the year. Totalling more rounds than euros. All the while still being on par or better than the rest of the WORLD.

Seriously, name 1 other country besides the states that has as many top 10 riders.

Tomac dominates musquin and roczen which are european prodigies.

Nod to tomac. Hes more well rounded.

Even if herlings wins at mxdn, he still needs to prove himself in SX. Its the hardest form of dirtbike racing period.

jorgechavez wrote:

I don't think Herlings has to prove himself in SX at all. He's hardly even ridden supercross and his mind is set on MXGP titles. If...

I don't think Herlings has to prove himself in SX at all. He's hardly even ridden supercross and his mind is set on MXGP titles. If anything Tomac has to prove himself in supercross, two years of having the most wins and no titles to show for it. I think by any top riders standards that is for lack of a better term, a failure.

kb228 wrote:

Euro riders: race outdoors only, and 2/3 of the year. Americans: race sx(meatgrinder) and outdoors for 3/4 of the year. Totalling more rounds than euros. All...

Euro riders: race outdoors only, and 2/3 of the year.

Americans: race sx(meatgrinder) and outdoors for 3/4 of the year. Totalling more rounds than euros. All the while still being on par or better than the rest of the WORLD.

Seriously, name 1 other country besides the states that has as many top 10 riders.

Tomac dominates musquin and roczen which are european prodigies.

Nod to tomac. Hes more well rounded.

Even if herlings wins at mxdn, he still needs to prove himself in SX. Its the hardest form of dirtbike racing period.

kb228 wrote:

Euro riders: race outdoors only, and 2/3 of the year. Americans: race sx(meatgrinder) and outdoors for 3/4 of the year. Totalling more rounds than euros. All...

Euro riders: race outdoors only, and 2/3 of the year.

Americans: race sx(meatgrinder) and outdoors for 3/4 of the year. Totalling more rounds than euros. All the while still being on par or better than the rest of the WORLD.

Seriously, name 1 other country besides the states that has as many top 10 riders.

Tomac dominates musquin and roczen which are european prodigies.

Nod to tomac. Hes more well rounded.

Even if herlings wins at mxdn, he still needs to prove himself in SX. Its the hardest form of dirtbike racing period.

OtotheB178 wrote:

I think you're not thinking of the history of it..... France has been pretty dominant in the US JMB, Pichon, DV, Roncada, Tortelli, all have done...

I think you're not thinking of the history of it.....

France has been pretty dominant in the US

JMB, Pichon, DV, Roncada, Tortelli, all have done "unspeakable" things.

JMB brought a whole new level to the sport, Pichon was very succesful, DV beat Mcgrath and RC pretty regularly, Roncada beat JS7 head to head and tortelli did an RC and ran away with a few of the races his first year (was it 99?)

That's not even acknowledging the other countries (South Africa?)

For the size of France and it's amateur scene i'd say they produce better riders than the US on a whole......

kb228 wrote:

Euro riders: race outdoors only, and 2/3 of the year. Americans: race sx(meatgrinder) and outdoors for 3/4 of the year. Totalling more rounds than euros. All...

Euro riders: race outdoors only, and 2/3 of the year.

Americans: race sx(meatgrinder) and outdoors for 3/4 of the year. Totalling more rounds than euros. All the while still being on par or better than the rest of the WORLD.

Seriously, name 1 other country besides the states that has as many top 10 riders.

Tomac dominates musquin and roczen which are european prodigies.

Nod to tomac. Hes more well rounded.

Even if herlings wins at mxdn, he still needs to prove himself in SX. Its the hardest form of dirtbike racing period.

OtotheB178 wrote:

I think you're not thinking of the history of it..... France has been pretty dominant in the US JMB, Pichon, DV, Roncada, Tortelli, all have done...

I think you're not thinking of the history of it.....

France has been pretty dominant in the US

JMB, Pichon, DV, Roncada, Tortelli, all have done "unspeakable" things.

JMB brought a whole new level to the sport, Pichon was very succesful, DV beat Mcgrath and RC pretty regularly, Roncada beat JS7 head to head and tortelli did an RC and ran away with a few of the races his first year (was it 99?)

That's not even acknowledging the other countries (South Africa?)

For the size of France and it's amateur scene i'd say they produce better riders than the US on a whole......

kb228 wrote:

What french rider has better stats in the states than RC, stew, rv, dungey, etc... just because they beat a good us rider a few times...

What french rider has better stats in the states than RC, stew, rv, dungey, etc... just because they beat a good us rider a few times doesnt make them better. Marvin beats tomac here and there but you cant say hes better...

Racingsalmon44 wrote:

Been Reading every post about europe vs america for the last 15 years and im a bit tired of the dick measuring contest to say the...

Been Reading every post about europe vs america for the last 15 years and im a bit tired of the dick measuring contest to say the least so now its was time to start an account here for me and get shit straight.

1st - For you ppl saying you cant compare because americans train half the year for sx and so on i Think you need to realize that 85% of europe is covered in snow and ice from november to march/april and that includes belgium where Most mxgp teams are based and England where some other teams are based is just snow covered mud during the winter time. Most factory teams Will do some training in spain and italy during winter time, but(!) Its not like they are There training for months, its just a Couple of weeks so winter time when the us based riders are still competing is more or less off time for the gp dudes.

2nd - time in the saddle is still time in the saddle and racing is still racing no matter if its mx or sx so americans should have the advantage there, and sx doesnt matter because even tho i love sx and have watched every race since the mc days sx i still just showcross completly made for the audience and shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence as mxgp vs the nationals because then we might just as well start including the enduro gp guys and suoermoto dudes in the same ekvation as well, and that would be retarded..

So now when we have straightened this out we can start discussin the herlings vs tomac/mxgp vs the nationals a bit more more. When it comes to the fastest riders i Can say that the 2 fastest racers right now is for sure herlings and tomac and both of them could win races in either series first year racing in either one, it would be down to who makes the least misstakes in Most races but on tracks on an high elevation or when it is really hot and/or humid tomac would have a slight advantage just as herlings would have on a sandtrack or in a mud race. The problem here with tomac is that he is a bit inconsistant as we have se en for years and be lets things get to him and rides bad if that happens. I do Think that gajser if he rode as he did in 2016 or the first races last season would be as fast as them but i Believe he is done in europe, lost his drive to win here due to having won both classes before. He just wants to win in america now and not to mention be injured himself last year after winning the first couple of gp's and did the same( really bad) before this season and missed races. After them comes cairoli (who really isnt slower than theese dudes, just having a hard time getting his fitness up to the level of theese kids that are 8-12 years younger than him) and after them comes musquin, roczen,anderso, febvre and desalle (fast as fuck on a good day) with barcia being as fast as them on a good day.

When it comes to mxgp vs the nationals there isnt even much to discuss about wich is harder to win because you cant compare racing on home soil and on perfectly groomed tracks to going halfway across the Word to a different country where you have never been and withouth speaking the language and completly different cultures, different climates, different food etc, its retarded to Think that mxgp would be easier to win even if you only compared these factors to racing in the country u live in with everything except climate being similar/same and then we havnt begun to discuss the other factors like the fact that the gp guys cant and dont practice at all on most tracks on the gp circuit because of distance and Costs to do it and other factors like jetlag, different time zones (night and day differences, not and hour or two as some might think) , completly different temperatures, humidity etc and that fact that most weeks between races are just travelling without having even a quarter of the time to train compared to what us based racers have in between races and the biggest factor of all that is the fact that the gp series is twice as long as the nationals, twice as many weeks where u have to make sure to stay healthy and to not mess up.

And the last thing i wanna say to u guys is that mxon doesent prove shit because the sport is bigger in the us than in all off europe combined and france and america are the only 2 who have complete teams with top riders in each series.

sumdood wrote:

"I don't care who wins the race my guy is still better" Where do you even start... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: It's like a flashback to when...

"I don't care who wins the race my guy is still better"

Where do you even start... It's like a flashback to when my kids were 9

RG1 wrote:

That's dumb. Which one of the two is better comes down to more than just one event for me. Herlings has won 25 out of 30...

That's dumb. Which one of the two is better comes down to more than just one event for me. Herlings has won 25 out of 30 motos this year, never finished worse than 3rd in a Moto, and if it wasn't for missing one round he would currently have over 100 point lead on argubly the best GP rider ever. Tomac doesn't suddenly become the better rider to me if he beats Herlings at Red Bud. Not even close. By that logic everyone must have thought Anstie was a better rider than Herlings last year. He's obviously not. Whatever happens at Red Bud won't change my opinion that Herlings is the better rider of the two, because what has been happening for the last 12 months counts for more than what happens on one specific day

Bonanza69 wrote:

You know,the field is deeper in the US!

biscuit11 wrote:

I think Roczen and Musquin are superior to Cairolli at the moment. Eli has only lost 1 mxgp moto in 6 tries, 1-1 on a temporary...

I think Roczen and Musquin are superior to Cairolli at the moment. Eli has only lost 1 mxgp moto in 6 tries, 1-1 on a temporary track and 1-3 against Herlings on a track he had never been to before. The euros racing here push him harder than that... Herlings won here the last race when Eli had nerves and other things going on that were priority so we didnt get an even race. Musquin showed that he can also run with Herlings and Roczen is obviously close now and will be there soon. Its a very small sample size and the dead horse will be kicked into oblivion untill MXoN and I think will get worse after. They are both the fastest in the world, either can win on any day and nobody would be suprised. Every week I watch them both and just enjoy the show...

biscuit11 wrote:

I think Roczen and Musquin are superior to Cairolli at the moment. Eli has only lost 1 mxgp moto in 6 tries, 1-1 on a temporary...

I think Roczen and Musquin are superior to Cairolli at the moment. Eli has only lost 1 mxgp moto in 6 tries, 1-1 on a temporary track and 1-3 against Herlings on a track he had never been to before. The euros racing here push him harder than that... Herlings won here the last race when Eli had nerves and other things going on that were priority so we didnt get an even race. Musquin showed that he can also run with Herlings and Roczen is obviously close now and will be there soon. Its a very small sample size and the dead horse will be kicked into oblivion untill MXoN and I think will get worse after. They are both the fastest in the world, either can win on any day and nobody would be suprised. Every week I watch them both and just enjoy the show...

BAD10 wrote:

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word...

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word... “Supercross”! Herlings would crash and burn in SX and get smoked by the top ten indoors, so on that alone Tomac overall is the better rider as he has a larger skill set.

RG1 wrote:

If you think a rider of Herlings calibre couldn't be a top 10 guy in Supercross you're completely delusional. It's not rocket science. Many European riders...

If you think a rider of Herlings calibre couldn't be a top 10 guy in Supercross you're completely delusional. It's not rocket science. Many European riders much less talented than him have been just fine.

BAD10 wrote:

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word...

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word... “Supercross”! Herlings would crash and burn in SX and get smoked by the top ten indoors, so on that alone Tomac overall is the better rider as he has a larger skill set.

RG1 wrote:

If you think a rider of Herlings calibre couldn't be a top 10 guy in Supercross you're completely delusional. It's not rocket science. Many European riders...

If you think a rider of Herlings calibre couldn't be a top 10 guy in Supercross you're completely delusional. It's not rocket science. Many European riders much less talented than him have been just fine.

shaffstall721 wrote:

All of your post make 0 sense. No one cares who you think is a better rider. If Tomac wins both motos for now he is...

All of your post make 0 sense. No one cares who you think is a better rider. If Tomac wins both motos for now he is considered the higher level rider. That’s how this works.

RG1 wrote:

That's dumb. Which one of the two is better comes down to more than just one event for me. Herlings has won 25 out of 30...

That's dumb. Which one of the two is better comes down to more than just one event for me. Herlings has won 25 out of 30 motos this year, never finished worse than 3rd in a Moto, and if it wasn't for missing one round he would currently have over 100 point lead on argubly the best GP rider ever. Tomac doesn't suddenly become the better rider to me if he beats Herlings at Red Bud. Not even close. By that logic everyone must have thought Anstie was a better rider than Herlings last year. He's obviously not. Whatever happens at Red Bud won't change my opinion that Herlings is the better rider of the two, because what has been happening for the last 12 months counts for more than what happens on one specific day

BAD10 wrote:

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word...

This is just a dumb statement. Herlings and Tomac are very close to each other outdoors, and perhaps JH is better, but I’ve got one word... “Supercross”! Herlings would crash and burn in SX and get smoked by the top ten indoors, so on that alone Tomac overall is the better rider as he has a larger skill set.

OtotheB178 wrote:

I think you're not thinking of the history of it..... France has been pretty dominant in the US JMB, Pichon, DV, Roncada, Tortelli, all have done...

I think you're not thinking of the history of it.....

France has been pretty dominant in the US

JMB, Pichon, DV, Roncada, Tortelli, all have done "unspeakable" things.

JMB brought a whole new level to the sport, Pichon was very succesful, DV beat Mcgrath and RC pretty regularly, Roncada beat JS7 head to head and tortelli did an RC and ran away with a few of the races his first year (was it 99?)

That's not even acknowledging the other countries (South Africa?)

For the size of France and it's amateur scene i'd say they produce better riders than the US on a whole......

kb228 wrote:

What french rider has better stats in the states than RC, stew, rv, dungey, etc... just because they beat a good us rider a few times...

What french rider has better stats in the states than RC, stew, rv, dungey, etc... just because they beat a good us rider a few times doesnt make them better. Marvin beats tomac here and there but you cant say hes better...

OtotheB178 wrote:

JMB smoked your best riders of the era.... "In 1991 Bayle and Honda set their sights on winning the AMA 250cc and 500cc Motocross Championships, as...

JMB


smoked your best riders of the era....

"In 1991 Bayle and Honda set their sights on winning the AMA 250cc and 500cc Motocross Championships, as well as the AMA 250cc Supercross title. Bayle went on to earn three wins and the title of the six-race AMA 500cc Motocross Championship (the remaining three races were won by Jeff Ward). He also won the AMA 250cc Motocross Championship, and took the AMA 250cc Supercross Series title with eight wins."

How many US riders have won 3 series' in one year?

Not to mention that France has a population of 66.9 million and the US has 325.7 Million......you can't deny they produce quality riders for the size of the riding population.

It's not a dig at the US i grew up loving AMA racing, i still do, i just think you need to acknowledge that the US hasn't got the stranglehold it once had on racing and that's a good thing. It brings more variety and variables to race day and allows for some more exciting bench racing.

kb228 wrote:

What french rider has better stats in the states than RC, stew, rv, dungey, etc... just because they beat a good us rider a few times...

What french rider has better stats in the states than RC, stew, rv, dungey, etc... just because they beat a good us rider a few times doesnt make them better. Marvin beats tomac here and there but you cant say hes better...

OtotheB178 wrote:

JMB smoked your best riders of the era.... "In 1991 Bayle and Honda set their sights on winning the AMA 250cc and 500cc Motocross Championships, as...

JMB


smoked your best riders of the era....

"In 1991 Bayle and Honda set their sights on winning the AMA 250cc and 500cc Motocross Championships, as well as the AMA 250cc Supercross title. Bayle went on to earn three wins and the title of the six-race AMA 500cc Motocross Championship (the remaining three races were won by Jeff Ward). He also won the AMA 250cc Motocross Championship, and took the AMA 250cc Supercross Series title with eight wins."

How many US riders have won 3 series' in one year?

Not to mention that France has a population of 66.9 million and the US has 325.7 Million......you can't deny they produce quality riders for the size of the riding population.

It's not a dig at the US i grew up loving AMA racing, i still do, i just think you need to acknowledge that the US hasn't got the stranglehold it once had on racing and that's a good thing. It brings more variety and variables to race day and allows for some more exciting bench racing.

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