Herlings and Tomac Both in MXGP Class

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Can't wait for Anstie to beat Tomac and Herlings Whistling
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Only 100% sure thing is that they can't all win. So there will be an endless stream of excuses coming. Can't wait for the race, if all the top guys are healthy it should be awesome!
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If I'm not mistaken that was also Herlings first professional race on a 450, whereas Anderson had been racing a 450 for two seasons at that...
If I'm not mistaken that was also Herlings first professional race on a 450, whereas Anderson had been racing a 450 for two seasons at that point. Also, I think Red Bud will be a better track for Jeffrey than Maggoria was as Red Bud is decently sandy.
SCR wrote:
If I'm not mistaken Anderson broke his foot in the qualifier and it didn't look like he would race Sunday. Luckily the Honda wrecking crew from...
If I'm not mistaken Anderson broke his foot in the qualifier and it didn't look like he would race Sunday.
Luckily the Honda wrecking crew from 86 was on hand and Johnson and Bailey told him , don't be a pussy, suck it up and go kick ass. And that's exactly what he did.
Ok I don't know if Johnson and Bailey said that but I like to think so. And it's a fact on that day Herlings got beat sraight up by a broken foot American bad ass.
I had forgot about that.. you are very correct. That definitely changes my perspective on things especially on that race, Jason truly is a badass. Either...
I had forgot about that.. you are very correct. That definitely changes my perspective on things especially on that race, Jason truly is a badass. Either way I believe the Herlings that will show up at Red Bud is on a different level from the Herlings at Maggoria.
Yeah Herlings has found his speed on the 450 since then. I think Tomac has got his kawi sorted out and found his speed also. Neither one of them has been challenged much this year but both of them showed they can uncork some crazy speed if they have to.
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It is awesome they will race together twice, but sorry to try to bring facts too and not excuses as I am french!:

The US team is a bit stronger on paper, with an expected score of maximum 20 points. With this type of score, only team France was possibly a legit contender ... with Musquin. I think that team NL is more around a 25-30 points expected score, so Tomac may be managed to not be too racy. That is why I think Herlings will go 1-1, while Tomac will be fast but will also look at the pitboard (2 = win).

Of course, everything can happen, a crash, horrible starts, while the other teams take a double holeshot etc, that is why they still held the race, but it is a strong probability of what will happen. The only hope for other teams is a tough qualification and/or mid pack starts, which can also happen as so far the 3 US riders have not been fully consistent with that. They have 1 month to do a zillion starts so I am not too worried either.
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8/15/2018 2:51am
I’d give Herlings 2 out of 3. Hopefully Eli’s pants stay on lol

Hope they both come in 100%
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Brad460 wrote:
I think I’d put my money on Herlings for all three races..seriously can anyone see this guy getting beat?
Personally, I sure as shit wouldn't put money on Herlings winning all 3. 1 or 2 sure, but sweeping Eli at Red Bud? I really can't see it.. Unless he goes full Eli and wads himself of course.
8/15/2018 8:16am
I think how good the Dutch and USA team qualify (gate pick for sunday) will have an effect on if we even get to see Herlings and Tomac battle.

Herlings holeshot's and Tomac starts 15th, I dont think he catches him.

Same goes the other way around.

Hopefully they swap good starts with the other not far behind.

Bragging rights if Tomac actually passes Herlings, or the other way around. :D

By the way Tomac has never won a qualifying race. (I don't think)
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8/15/2018 8:25am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2018 8:27am
Hmm. Does TBC says that he is racing this class? I think it's not decided yet is it Hoff or Herlings in MXGP


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8/15/2018 8:35am
keinz wrote:
Hmm. Does TBC says that he is racing this class? I think it's not decided yet is it Hoff or Herlings in MXGP [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/08/15/280730/s1200_Screenshot_2018_08_15_18.22.34.jpg[/img]
Hmm. Does TBC says that he is racing this class? I think it's not decided yet is it Hoff or Herlings in MXGP


They better put Herling's in MX1 !! Would totally take a lot of hype out of this race if they slap him in MX3.
8/15/2018 9:26am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2018 9:27am
keinz wrote:
Hmm. Does TBC says that he is racing this class? I think it's not decided yet is it Hoff or Herlings in MXGP [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/08/15/280730/s1200_Screenshot_2018_08_15_18.22.34.jpg[/img]
Hmm. Does TBC says that he is racing this class? I think it's not decided yet is it Hoff or Herlings in MXGP


See? That worries me too. I went by what MX Vice has, but I was hoping someone here might have the straight dope. (Well, not that that people here are necessarily insightful, but a man can dream.)

https://mxvice.com/79773/the-teams-mxon-list

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8/15/2018 9:38am
Sorry to jump topics, I'd like to see Plessinger pull an RV on the field and win both of his motos..!

As you were.
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8/15/2018 10:26am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2018 11:15am
Forty wrote:
Sorry to jump topics, I'd like to see Plessinger pull an RV on the field and win both of his motos..!

As you were.
Will you send me some of the weed you smoke Wink
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8/15/2018 10:39am
If they both get a good start, my money is on the heat seeking missile Tomac. But if he doesn't, he won't catch Herlings coming from behind. Which means it may depend on team strategy.

Qualifying doesn't matter as much as the races, so they won't be going all out, not to mention the randomized starting order could play a big part. I could see Roger giving both Barcia and AP the first gate pick over Eli given Eli's known to be able to slice through the pack, but I don't know what the dutch will do.

My point is, this is a team race and there are many variables to consider.

But yeah, it's gonna be good either way.

I like our chances. Tomac is actually going and our 2nd 450 guy has actually raced a 450 before. Gotta be better chances than last year.
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8/15/2018 10:43am
Keep telling yourself that. Anderson pulled the holeshot, but Herlings was faster. The previous day Herlings won the qualifying race, and Anderson was 14th. But sure...
Keep telling yourself that. Anderson pulled the holeshot, but Herlings was faster. The previous day Herlings won the qualifying race, and Anderson was 14th.

But sure, if Tomac pulls the holeshot and Herlings is outside the Top 10, Tomac is gonna win. But that's probably the only way.
Gate drops at the same time for everyone. The results are what they are. If you've ever raced, surely there is someone you know you are faster than that beat you a lot of times simply because they got a better start. Starts are part of racing.
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8/15/2018 11:02am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2018 1:28pm
Will the track be prepped AMA style or MXGP style? I think that matters.

I think they split moto wins...coming down to the start. But I'd give Herlings the edge in the speed department over Tomac (like a Dungey/Villopoto thing, RV was faster, but Dungey could match his pace, and even beat him, on occasion). .

Honestly though, I just hope Tomac doesn't try and race him...I REALLY want USA to win the des nations...and that is more important that individual honors (In fact, I wish the fim would stop caring about individual class results and focus only on the overall team result)...and I worry that if tomac tries to beat herlings, he'll crash the USA out of contention.
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8/15/2018 11:33am
NateDawg wrote:
Anderson and Herlings ran almost the exact same lap time that race. Anderson ran a 1:54.1 and Herlings ran a 1:54.0. Anderson can rarely ever run...
Anderson and Herlings ran almost the exact same lap time that race. Anderson ran a 1:54.1 and Herlings ran a 1:54.0. Anderson can rarely ever run Eli's pace outdoors, but don't let those pesky facts get in your way!
If I'm not mistaken that was also Herlings first professional race on a 450, whereas Anderson had been racing a 450 for two seasons at that...
If I'm not mistaken that was also Herlings first professional race on a 450, whereas Anderson had been racing a 450 for two seasons at that point. Also, I think Red Bud will be a better track for Jeffrey than Maggoria was as Red Bud is decently sandy.
SCR wrote:
If I'm not mistaken Anderson broke his foot in the qualifier and it didn't look like he would race Sunday. Luckily the Honda wrecking crew from...
If I'm not mistaken Anderson broke his foot in the qualifier and it didn't look like he would race Sunday.
Luckily the Honda wrecking crew from 86 was on hand and Johnson and Bailey told him , don't be a pussy, suck it up and go kick ass. And that's exactly what he did.
Ok I don't know if Johnson and Bailey said that but I like to think so. And it's a fact on that day Herlings got beat sraight up by a broken foot American bad ass.
It was Anderson's first pro 450 moto win and Herlings threw it away trying to match his pace.Evil
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Titan1 wrote:
Will the track be prepped AMA style or MXGP style? I think that matters. I think they split moto wins...coming down to the start. But I'd...
Will the track be prepped AMA style or MXGP style? I think that matters.

I think they split moto wins...coming down to the start. But I'd give Herlings the edge in the speed department over Tomac (like a Dungey/Villopoto thing, RV was faster, but Dungey could match his pace, and even beat him, on occasion). .

Honestly though, I just hope Tomac doesn't try and race him...I REALLY want USA to win the des nations...and that is more important that individual honors (In fact, I wish the fim would stop caring about individual class results and focus only on the overall team result)...and I worry that if tomac tries to beat herlings, he'll crash the USA out of contention.
What may matter even more is the bike: will the us team be able to use the same bike as usual or will they need to adapt to the fim rule regarding sound and fuel ?
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8/16/2018 5:19am
Brad460 wrote:
I think I’d put my money on Herlings for all three races..seriously can anyone see this guy getting beat?
I'm with you 90% I was at the IronMan last year. Even if tomac wouldn't have been protecting a title I don't think he would have came out with the win over Jeff. It would have been a battle til the last lap but still think Herlings has him. I am a Tomac fan but you have to step back and watch Herlings then try and pick your jaw up off the floor when hes done. Dude is unreal. I hope I eat a little crow and Eli comes out and crushes everyone's soul but its a slim chance.
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8/16/2018 5:39am
I'm huge on Herlings and I do think that on balance, he would have Tomac covered most of the time (and if in the sand, it's no contest), however I do think Tomac might have the edge on him at Redbud. I'd like to be wrong, but I just feel everything is stacked in the favour of the US this year. Great team on home soil. Over a season, I'd take Herlings all day long, but at this particular MXoN, I'm just not confident in calling it for him.

That being said, Tomac could well pull a massive Tomac, and if he does I can't imagine the flack he will get from the fans. If he gets a bad start, I imagine he will push too hard and make some major mistakes. He's not a great starter, unlike Herlings who is almost always in the top 3 round the first corner. If Tomac's a long way back from him on lap 1, I think it might be panic-stations and he could end up on the ground.

Similarly, if Herlings gets buried and Tomac is up front, he might get to second, but he won't catch him if he's a long way up front.
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I’m American as they come but we all know Herlings will totally handle tomac in atleast one moto
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8/16/2018 6:18am
mmain62 wrote:
I'm with you 90% I was at the IronMan last year. Even if tomac wouldn't have been protecting a title I don't think he would have...
I'm with you 90% I was at the IronMan last year. Even if tomac wouldn't have been protecting a title I don't think he would have came out with the win over Jeff. It would have been a battle til the last lap but still think Herlings has him. I am a Tomac fan but you have to step back and watch Herlings then try and pick your jaw up off the floor when hes done. Dude is unreal. I hope I eat a little crow and Eli comes out and crushes everyone's soul but its a slim chance.
I was at Ironman also and I've been a Tomac fan since he was on 60s. I hope Tomac brings his A game that day.
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8/16/2018 6:19am
Spudnut wrote:
I’m American as they come but we all know Herlings will totally handle tomac in atleast one moto
You never know until it's over.
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8/16/2018 6:21am Edited Date/Time 8/16/2018 12:23pm
If I'm not mistaken that was also Herlings first professional race on a 450, whereas Anderson had been racing a 450 for two seasons at that...
If I'm not mistaken that was also Herlings first professional race on a 450, whereas Anderson had been racing a 450 for two seasons at that point. Also, I think Red Bud will be a better track for Jeffrey than Maggoria was as Red Bud is decently sandy.
SCR wrote:
If I'm not mistaken Anderson broke his foot in the qualifier and it didn't look like he would race Sunday. Luckily the Honda wrecking crew from...
If I'm not mistaken Anderson broke his foot in the qualifier and it didn't look like he would race Sunday.
Luckily the Honda wrecking crew from 86 was on hand and Johnson and Bailey told him , don't be a pussy, suck it up and go kick ass. And that's exactly what he did.
Ok I don't know if Johnson and Bailey said that but I like to think so. And it's a fact on that day Herlings got beat sraight up by a broken foot American bad ass.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
It was Anderson's first pro 450 moto win and Herlings threw it away trying to match his pace.Evil
Match his pace? You had to be dreaming, that was Herlings first race on a 450 and he was all over Anderson from the start, he fell trying to pass him and couldn’t get back to him in time before the end of the race. I was there and it’s crazy how that moto win has been completely blown out of proportion, Herlings screwed up and Anderson took advantage, you can compare that win to Ansties from last year MXoN, great riding with some luck but it was obvious who was better
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SCR wrote:
If I'm not mistaken Anderson broke his foot in the qualifier and it didn't look like he would race Sunday. Luckily the Honda wrecking crew from...
If I'm not mistaken Anderson broke his foot in the qualifier and it didn't look like he would race Sunday.
Luckily the Honda wrecking crew from 86 was on hand and Johnson and Bailey told him , don't be a pussy, suck it up and go kick ass. And that's exactly what he did.
Ok I don't know if Johnson and Bailey said that but I like to think so. And it's a fact on that day Herlings got beat sraight up by a broken foot American bad ass.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
It was Anderson's first pro 450 moto win and Herlings threw it away trying to match his pace.Evil
Marcello10 wrote:
Match his pace? You had to be dreaming, that was Herlings first race on a 450 and he was all over Anderson from the start, he...
Match his pace? You had to be dreaming, that was Herlings first race on a 450 and he was all over Anderson from the start, he fell trying to pass him and couldn’t get back to him in time before the end of the race. I was there and it’s crazy how that moto win has been completely blown out of proportion, Herlings screwed up and Anderson took advantage, you can compare that win to Ansties from last year MXoN, great riding with some luck but it was obvious who was better
So... he got beat straight up is what you're telling me
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8/16/2018 9:26am
ATKpilot99 wrote:
It was Anderson's first pro 450 moto win and Herlings threw it away trying to match his pace.Evil
Marcello10 wrote:
Match his pace? You had to be dreaming, that was Herlings first race on a 450 and he was all over Anderson from the start, he...
Match his pace? You had to be dreaming, that was Herlings first race on a 450 and he was all over Anderson from the start, he fell trying to pass him and couldn’t get back to him in time before the end of the race. I was there and it’s crazy how that moto win has been completely blown out of proportion, Herlings screwed up and Anderson took advantage, you can compare that win to Ansties from last year MXoN, great riding with some luck but it was obvious who was better
NateDawg wrote:
So... he got beat straight up is what you're telling me
That's not what Marcello said at all. He said Anderson beat him straight up with a broken foot from the day before. Big difference!
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I have no idea which way it'll go, all I know is that I'm excited to be there in person to see it. I have to give Tomac the edge at this stage. He's gonna have a couple of weeks to rest up, prepare 100% and it's a track that he knows really well. I just can't wait for the whole event in general. I've never been to an outdoor race in the US so it should be an epic experience
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8/16/2018 10:04am
Marcello10 wrote:
Match his pace? You had to be dreaming, that was Herlings first race on a 450 and he was all over Anderson from the start, he...
Match his pace? You had to be dreaming, that was Herlings first race on a 450 and he was all over Anderson from the start, he fell trying to pass him and couldn’t get back to him in time before the end of the race. I was there and it’s crazy how that moto win has been completely blown out of proportion, Herlings screwed up and Anderson took advantage, you can compare that win to Ansties from last year MXoN, great riding with some luck but it was obvious who was better
NateDawg wrote:
So... he got beat straight up is what you're telling me
slipdog wrote:
That's not what Marcello said at all. He said Anderson beat him straight up with a broken foot from the day before. Big difference!
I think that he was saying "Herlings couldn't run Marvin's second moto pace at Ironman last year and got the moto win after Marv fell down in front of him". I'm an automation programmer so I'm just seeing the logic behind the text here.
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8/16/2018 10:11am
The Tomac/Herlings battle will be all the talk but how do you guys see the other two matchups? Barcia vs Coldenhoff and the the AP VS CV?

Barcia has never failed to lay it all on the line at this race and impress and he is good at Red Bud. AP was the class of the 250's at this race. I personally think AP would beat Barcia straight up at red bud on their respective bikes. But Barcia digs really deep for this race. Barcias style gets to me sometimes but his heart for the U.S. will always have me a fan!!

I predict the Netherlands to be our biggest competitor, not France. What was France thinking??
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8/16/2018 10:16am
gharmon wrote:
The Tomac/Herlings battle will be all the talk but how do you guys see the other two matchups? Barcia vs Coldenhoff and the the AP VS...
The Tomac/Herlings battle will be all the talk but how do you guys see the other two matchups? Barcia vs Coldenhoff and the the AP VS CV?

Barcia has never failed to lay it all on the line at this race and impress and he is good at Red Bud. AP was the class of the 250's at this race. I personally think AP would beat Barcia straight up at red bud on their respective bikes. But Barcia digs really deep for this race. Barcias style gets to me sometimes but his heart for the U.S. will always have me a fan!!

I predict the Netherlands to be our biggest competitor, not France. What was France thinking??
to be honest , if we want to win we need the USA to make mistakes and f.ck things up ...

if that doesnt happen , we cant compete with team USA at home ... next year maybe , this year nope
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I really think there isn't much diffrence between Usa The Netherlands and France to be honest, just think about the amount of pressure on team Usa i really think that will play a part and I don't think that track knowledge will be a great seperating factor.
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