Savatgy's Bike Problem - Chain?

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logan_140 6/3/2018 3:53am
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logan_140 wrote:
Seems like pc has the most engine failures of any teams
Excaliburbmx wrote:
Maybe they are pushing the envelope more or doing more r and d in real time.
They forsure are trying to get every little last bit of hp out of those engines.
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logan_140 wrote:
Seems like pc has the most engine failures of any teams
jorgechavez wrote:
The titles on their door don't lie.
No doubt there. Risk vs reward, today they were on the losing side of that.
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Underground wrote:
Coasted to a stop looking down at chain side. No smoke or evidence of a piston failure or lock up. Word from the team it was...
Coasted to a stop looking down at chain side.
No smoke or evidence of a piston failure or lock up.
Word from the team it was an engine failure.
An Oregano on the sideline eating a bag of dicks.

Dry sounds like a transmission failure with a side of cock in mouth to me
Jeff alessi wrote:
Def an engine failure, watch half a second before he lands. That front end drops hard off the step off.
Gandorlf wrote:
Is it likely the connecting rod snapped? I didn't see his rear wheel lock up so something inside was still at least half working haha. Damn...
Is it likely the connecting rod snapped? I didn't see his rear wheel lock up so something inside was still at least half working haha. Damn shame he rode his heart out!
Most likely a valve spring. Rod reliability is testable ,springs you just hope they are made all the same.

A NASCAR engine runs the springs in oil to keep temp down by filling the rocker covers. Easier to do on pushrod engine.

With cams above the valves best you could do is use oil cooler and spray nozzles on the springs.
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benstone 6/3/2018 6:34am
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Jeff alessi wrote:
Def an engine failure, watch half a second before he lands. That front end drops hard off the step off.
Gandorlf wrote:
Is it likely the connecting rod snapped? I didn't see his rear wheel lock up so something inside was still at least half working haha. Damn...
Is it likely the connecting rod snapped? I didn't see his rear wheel lock up so something inside was still at least half working haha. Damn shame he rode his heart out!
hillbilly wrote:
Most likely a valve spring. Rod reliability is testable ,springs you just hope they are made all the same. A NASCAR engine runs the springs in...
Most likely a valve spring. Rod reliability is testable ,springs you just hope they are made all the same.

A NASCAR engine runs the springs in oil to keep temp down by filling the rocker covers. Easier to do on pushrod engine.

With cams above the valves best you could do is use oil cooler and spray nozzles on the springs.
Getting a little off topic, but I'm the OP so I'm allowed: I picked up a Ducati Street bike this spring and learned all about their solution to spring float and failure. No valve springs at all. One Cam to open and another to close the valves. You can hear the difference when the bike's idling. It also makes for a higher redline. My 1200 CC engine redlines at 10K. Crazy shit but fun.



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ToolMaker 6/3/2018 7:11am
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logan_140 wrote:
Seems like pc has the most engine failures of any teams
Excaliburbmx wrote:
Maybe they are pushing the envelope more or doing more r and d in real time.
chump6784 wrote:
Either way it's not a good look. Gotta make some potential clients second guess sending their engines to them
Are you kidding? Like that's anything close to what you could get anyway. In addition, the setup they use at that altitude is probably different than all the rest of the races anyway. Performance and reliability inversely related.
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steezenation 6/3/2018 8:52am
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was sitting right there, kickstarter was locked up
UpTiTe 6/3/2018 9:13am
6/3/2018 9:13am
GuyB wrote:
Engine.
craigathan404 wrote:
GuyB, thank you so much for the insight! Great to know it was his engine. It wasn’t one of the thousands of moving parts inside of...
GuyB, thank you so much for the insight! Great to know it was his engine. It wasn’t one of the thousands of moving parts inside of it, just the engine in general! Wow!
I bet they took the time in between moto to replace the motor instead of rebuilt it don't you think?
Deal Brothers Trailers 6/3/2018 9:26am
6/3/2018 9:26am
His bike was showing fantastic power.
Awesome to see them push it to the limit like that.
It was working out just great...until it wasn't
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Kyle_McNab 6/3/2018 9:38am
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I know it really sucks for joey but I’m glad he didn’t get injured. A lil stechy on that downhill double
McCollough_OTHG_834 6/3/2018 10:26am
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Even with time it is sometimes difficult to pinpoint exactly what failed. Usually a failure destroys much of the evidence. With some work you can formulate an opinion of what failed but without some experience with multiple failures you usually can't say for 100% what exactly happened. There is no way to know at the track for sure. They will tear it down later and figure it out.
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Gandorlf wrote:
Is it likely the connecting rod snapped? I didn't see his rear wheel lock up so something inside was still at least half working haha. Damn...
Is it likely the connecting rod snapped? I didn't see his rear wheel lock up so something inside was still at least half working haha. Damn shame he rode his heart out!
hillbilly wrote:
Most likely a valve spring. Rod reliability is testable ,springs you just hope they are made all the same. A NASCAR engine runs the springs in...
Most likely a valve spring. Rod reliability is testable ,springs you just hope they are made all the same.

A NASCAR engine runs the springs in oil to keep temp down by filling the rocker covers. Easier to do on pushrod engine.

With cams above the valves best you could do is use oil cooler and spray nozzles on the springs.
benstone wrote:
Getting a little off topic, but I'm the OP so I'm allowed: I picked up a Ducati Street bike this spring and learned all about their...
Getting a little off topic, but I'm the OP so I'm allowed: I picked up a Ducati Street bike this spring and learned all about their solution to spring float and failure. No valve springs at all. One Cam to open and another to close the valves. You can hear the difference when the bike's idling. It also makes for a higher redline. My 1200 CC engine redlines at 10K. Crazy shit but fun.



They own the rights is why it is not on any other brand.

The shop I rode cagiva out of in the 80,s had a BOTT team with a 750 f1 ,thing would lay rubber off corners.
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We all know how well those Eleven10 bikes held up.....
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Lastander 6/3/2018 1:46pm
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Wonder how long it will take until Koenisegg’s freevalve technology finds its way in to MX
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GuyB wrote:
Engine.
Maybe a dumb question but do they swap engines between motos normally? If not, moto 1 is extremely premature for a grenade. That would mean a mechanic not servicing or replacing something properly or a part malfunctioning before it’s expiration date.
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GuyB wrote:
Engine.
IWreckALot wrote:
Maybe a dumb question but do they swap engines between motos normally? If not, moto 1 is extremely premature for a grenade. That would mean a...
Maybe a dumb question but do they swap engines between motos normally? If not, moto 1 is extremely premature for a grenade. That would mean a mechanic not servicing or replacing something properly or a part malfunctioning before it’s expiration date.
Normally? No.

In this case, folks should probably also know that Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki were among the teams that did press day, so they also did an additional two 20-minute sessions on Friday.
Squirrelings 6/3/2018 3:55pm
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logan_140 wrote:
Seems like pc has the most engine failures of any teams
Osborne couldn't finish a moto to save his life in '16. Plenty of Geico bikes pushed off the track over the past years as well. Really the Yamaha seems to be the most solid of the factory level bikes.
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ML512 6/3/2018 4:13pm
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Lastander wrote:
Wonder how long it will take until Koenisegg’s freevalve technology finds its way in to MX
That stuff is straight cool. Super interesting...
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Lastander wrote:
Wonder how long it will take until Koenisegg’s freevalve technology finds its way in to MX
ML512 wrote:
That stuff is straight cool. Super interesting...
Variable compression is the future

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And here i thought Justin Cooper was the Future . man time flies Now its Variable compression .
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Watching Moto 2. Savatgy’s drunk.
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Watching Moto 2. Savatgy’s drunk.
He was definitely optimistic!
Gene Frenkle 6/3/2018 9:44pm
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Why in AMA Nationals cant they switch to a backup bike?
Obviously a rule, but whats the logic? Cost?
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Gene Frenkle wrote:
Why in AMA Nationals cant they switch to a backup bike?
Obviously a rule, but whats the logic? Cost?
Keep it fair for privateers id imagine. They have a hard time getting 1 bike. Let alone 2.
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make1go 6/4/2018 10:22am
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"we're" not allowed to know specifically what broke only the 'cool' guys here are..

such a lame aspect of this sport.

and i do understand manus not wanting that stuff out in public, but it 'dumbs' down the sport to 14 yr old boy level and as a mocy tech and 41 yrs in it, im kinda past that shit..
i'd like to know, what, where, when, how..and i dont think im alone..
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ML512 6/4/2018 10:41am
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make1go wrote:
"we're" not allowed to know specifically what broke only the 'cool' guys here are.. such a lame aspect of this sport. and i do understand manus...
"we're" not allowed to know specifically what broke only the 'cool' guys here are..

such a lame aspect of this sport.

and i do understand manus not wanting that stuff out in public, but it 'dumbs' down the sport to 14 yr old boy level and as a mocy tech and 41 yrs in it, im kinda past that shit..
i'd like to know, what, where, when, how..and i dont think im alone..
But some of you don't understand that no one knows right then what happened. The engine died so that's what was shared, no one took that engine apart right there to find out the exact part that died, they had other duties to handle. That engine will have been flown back with a mechanic and is likely being taken apart today, at their shop where they can properly go through it and decide what failed first.

And from there, they aren't going to send out some sort of PR to say what failed, the next opportunity to find out will be asking the team at the following race to see if they can share what the problem was.
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ML512 wrote:
But some of you don't understand that no one knows right then what happened. The engine died so that's what was shared, no one took that...
But some of you don't understand that no one knows right then what happened. The engine died so that's what was shared, no one took that engine apart right there to find out the exact part that died, they had other duties to handle. That engine will have been flown back with a mechanic and is likely being taken apart today, at their shop where they can properly go through it and decide what failed first.

And from there, they aren't going to send out some sort of PR to say what failed, the next opportunity to find out will be asking the team at the following race to see if they can share what the problem was.
Will you also ask them why they didn't tear the bike apart while it was still on the track because make1go on vitalmx.com deserves answers.
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daemon616 6/4/2018 12:14pm
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Didn't someone else used to do their engines a few years ago and they brought it back in house? I'm floored for Savatgy that's got to be heart breaking.
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GuyB wrote:
Engine.
craigathan404 wrote:
GuyB, thank you so much for the insight! Great to know it was his engine. It wasn’t one of the thousands of moving parts inside of...
GuyB, thank you so much for the insight! Great to know it was his engine. It wasn’t one of the thousands of moving parts inside of it, just the engine in general! Wow!
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