15-16 Yamaha frame cracks...

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The Rock 9/4/2016 8:05pm
9/4/2016 8:05pm Edited Date/Time 9/4/2016 8:08pm
The 2007 Yamaha I used for the Stealth bike also had a cracked frame. Nine years later and they still haven't solved the problem. WTH

I'm a big Yamaha fan, know a lot of the race team guys but if I was getting ready to spend 9 grand plus I'm not sure I would buy a Yamaha SOLELY because of this issue. Blue is my favorite color too.

Come on Yamaha fix this issue. It's past time. In the meantime there is a person at Yamaha who can be contacted about this issue. Start making phone calls to corporate and ferret this person out.
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motomike894 wrote:
Mine did this today 2015 I bought leftover in February this year has 30 hours on it. Pretty pissed and had couple big races planned on...
Mine did this today 2015 I bought leftover in February this year has 30 hours on it.

Pretty pissed and had couple big races planned on going to this weekend and next well that's not happening now if Yamaha does do something I know that's going to take weeks.




Looks IDENTICAL to the crack on my buddy Anthony Gould's 2007 450 frame on the Stealth bike.
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Trav138 wrote:
so this issue is on the four stoke models only? I have not seen any posts or heard anything about the Yz 250 frames failing. Thinking...
so this issue is on the four stoke models only? I have not seen any posts or heard anything about the Yz 250 frames failing. Thinking about a new YZ 250x.
I have not heard of it being common in the 2-strokes, but DV12 did post this 5 yrs ago.

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Went-riding-on-the-smoker…



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752dad 9/6/2016 7:56am
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Local kid had this happen
Banged up pretty bad but no serious injuries

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AHRMA361 9/6/2016 9:05am
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Damn! That picture is gnarly. Glad the kid wasn't seriously injured.

I wonder if anyone has sued Yamaha for this flaw? Even though it is an "off road competition model" one would think that Yamaha could be liable for poor welds causing failures as shown in the photo.
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Eurobrah 9/6/2016 9:38am
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And 14s...14 YZ450F. I tried Yamaha for help but they said no. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/11/15/111445/s1200_20151004_182729.jpg[/img]
And 14s...14 YZ450F. I tried Yamaha for help but they said no.

That sucks, because that's cracked straight from the middle of the weld. The weld hasn't been very good when it left the factory in the first place... Weird stuff from that piano company.
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752dad wrote:
Local kid had this happen Banged up pretty bad but no serious injuries [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/06/150360/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Local kid had this happen
Banged up pretty bad but no serious injuries

That's a 2010-13 model YZ.

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.kyle 9/6/2016 11:35am
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It's not a 10-13 model. It's 2014+
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.kyle wrote:
It's not a 10-13 model. It's 2014+
Horizontal shock res and exhaust that snakes around under the seat. From what ive seen in all these forums, no model/year is promised to not have this welding defect. Aside from owning lots of hondas, I've had a 2014 YZ450f, 2009 YZ250, and 2014 YZ250f. Weighing over 210 and I've tacoed A60s... Never any cracked frames.
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mxrose3 9/6/2016 12:07pm
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.kyle wrote:
It's not a 10-13 model. It's 2014+
No, its got the turbine exhaust header behind the cylinder... look close
GeorgiePorgie 9/6/2016 12:13pm
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Trav138 wrote:
so this issue is on the four stoke models only? I have not seen any posts or heard anything about the Yz 250 frames failing. Thinking...
so this issue is on the four stoke models only? I have not seen any posts or heard anything about the Yz 250 frames failing. Thinking about a new YZ 250x.
FGR01 wrote:
I have not heard of it being common in the 2-strokes, but DV12 did post this 5 yrs ago. http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Went-riding-on-the-smoker-today-Here-some-photos,1220609?page=3 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/09/04/149949/s1200_YZ_frame.jpg[/img]
I have not heard of it being common in the 2-strokes, but DV12 did post this 5 yrs ago.

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Went-riding-on-the-smoker…



Lol now I gotta go take my gas tank off and inspect....lmao
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.kyle 9/6/2016 1:13pm
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.kyle wrote:
It's not a 10-13 model. It's 2014+
mxrose3 wrote:
No, its got the turbine exhaust header behind the cylinder... look close
For some reason, I am assuming the bike is a 250f. (if that's the case then it's 2014+)
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chase414 9/6/2016 1:34pm
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.kyle wrote:
It's not a 10-13 model. It's 2014+
mxrose3 wrote:
No, its got the turbine exhaust header behind the cylinder... look close
.kyle wrote:
For some reason, I am assuming the bike is a 250f. (if that's the case then it's 2014+)
The 250 never looked like that it was only the current model that has the same backwards layout as the 450
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jeffro503 9/6/2016 1:46pm
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Hey guys....it aint just the frames. I think Yamaha is having issues with other weld areas as well. Give me a minute and I'll post what happened to my buddy a couple weeks ago.
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My buddy just bought this 16' YZ450F about a month ago. It had less then 1hr on it when this happened. He was coming out of a big left handed sweeper , flat corner in about 3rd half throttle. A rock or something came up and hit the chain slider I guess , completely broke it off and wasted both sprockets , the whole chain slider and scared up his swing arm. He called the shop and they took it back from him that day and replaced everything with new parts.

Where the slider broke off...on the swing arm , there was no penetration on the welds. It looked like it was basically glued on. Never seen such a shitty weld on a new bike in the 35yrs of doing this sport.







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jeffro503 wrote:
My buddy just bought this 16' YZ450F about a month ago. It had less then 1hr on it when this happened. He was coming out of...
My buddy just bought this 16' YZ450F about a month ago. It had less then 1hr on it when this happened. He was coming out of a big left handed sweeper , flat corner in about 3rd half throttle. A rock or something came up and hit the chain slider I guess , completely broke it off and wasted both sprockets , the whole chain slider and scared up his swing arm. He called the shop and they took it back from him that day and replaced everything with new parts.

Where the slider broke off...on the swing arm , there was no penetration on the welds. It looked like it was basically glued on. Never seen such a shitty weld on a new bike in the 35yrs of doing this sport.







Did it bend the countershaft or crack the cases when it went through the rear sprocket? Ask me how I know to ask this question...Sad
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newmann 9/6/2016 3:03pm
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Does anyone remember the lawsuit that Yamaha lost on the YZ125 that had chrome flaking on the carb slide causing it to hang open? And they won't do anything about all these frames breaking?

http://www.healylawfirm.com/News-Articles/Press-Releases/24-million-jur…

New Lenox man who was paralyzed from the waist down after losing control of his motorcycle while jumping dirt mounds six years ago was awarded $24 million Monday by a Cook County Circuit Court jury.

Anthony O'Brien, 28, alleged during the trial that the carburetor on his 1996 YZ125 Yamaha stuck open as he approached his jump, causing the motorcycle to accelerate, said his attorney, Martin Healy.

O'Brien, who already had made about 10 jumps that day on his friend's farm outside Manhattan in Will County, landed on his buttocks, fracturing his spine, Healy said.

"We believe that he certainly was capable of doing what he was doing that day," Healy said. "Yamaha says he gave too much throttle as he was going up the ramp."

The jury delivered its verdict against Yamaha Motor Corp. U.S.A. and its parent company, Yamaha Motor Co. of Japan. The jury deliberated about five hours Monday after the month long trial, Healy said. An attorney for Yamaha declined to comment on the verdict Monday and would not say whether the company would appeal.

O'Brien had owned a smaller motorcycle and rode regularly as a boy and into his early teens. He later rode all-terrain vehicles and other friends' motorcycles until he bought the Yamaha two weeks before the accident.

Attorneys for Yamaha attacked his riding experience, but Healy said O'Brien had maintained his skill level.

A week before the accident, O'Brien noticed that the motorcycle would hesitate for a few seconds in returning to idle after he released the throttle, Healy said. The hesitation did not occur consistently, and O'Brien and his friends who examined the motorcycle could not determine the cause of the problem.

During the trial, Healy said he presented evidence that showed the chrome plating on the carburetor slide had started to peel, causing the slide to stick open and inject fuel into the engine after the throttle was released.

Yamaha attorneys argued that peeling chrome would not impair the function of the motorcycle, Healy said. However, Healy said he introduced evidence that showed such peeling was a violation of Japanese industrial standards.

On the day of the accident, O'Brien and three friends were jumping a pair of dirt mounds 3 to 4 feet high and about 12 feet apart. When O'Brien crashed, he launched off one mound and landed a few feet past the second one, Healy said.
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newmann 9/6/2016 3:07pm
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Meanwhile, back at Yamaha's legal department.


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mark1960 9/6/2016 3:10pm
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There was also a law suite against Suzuki and full floater linkage failures late 80's ?
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newmann wrote:
Did it bend the countershaft or crack the cases when it went through the rear sprocket? Ask me how I know to ask this question...Sad
Well the rear sprocket and chain itself were bent. The counter shaft sprocket looked ok actually except for some scarring. They just replaced it all just in case. He has about 15+hrs on it since it's been fixed with no issues , but the shop told him if anything else like that happens to bring it back and they'll get it taken care of.
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motomike894 9/6/2016 5:35pm
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I know the kid in Michigan that had that frame snap totally it was a 10-13 450
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motomike894 9/6/2016 5:36pm
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My dealer filed claim on it I should know in 2-3 days if Yamaha going to do anything etc but this will be last Yamaha I buy new I know that after all horror stories I've seen
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Moto88 9/6/2016 10:53pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
My buddy just bought this 16' YZ450F about a month ago. It had less then 1hr on it when this happened. He was coming out of...
My buddy just bought this 16' YZ450F about a month ago. It had less then 1hr on it when this happened. He was coming out of a big left handed sweeper , flat corner in about 3rd half throttle. A rock or something came up and hit the chain slider I guess , completely broke it off and wasted both sprockets , the whole chain slider and scared up his swing arm. He called the shop and they took it back from him that day and replaced everything with new parts.

Where the slider broke off...on the swing arm , there was no penetration on the welds. It looked like it was basically glued on. Never seen such a shitty weld on a new bike in the 35yrs of doing this sport.







I've had a bunch of YZ's over the years w no problems, but have read a few who have. If I do, I hope Simi Valley Cycles (who always seem to give really good deals on trade in and new bikes) treat me the same as your friend's shop did. Reason for my post, I think you should give props to that shop here on Vital and say who they are, as some reads state that their local shop wasn't too helpful. That kind of service warrants being said.
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jeffro503 9/6/2016 10:59pm
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I've had a bunch of YZ's over the years w no problems, but have read a few who have. If I do, I hope Simi Valley...
I've had a bunch of YZ's over the years w no problems, but have read a few who have. If I do, I hope Simi Valley Cycles (who always seem to give really good deals on trade in and new bikes) treat me the same as your friend's shop did. Reason for my post, I think you should give props to that shop here on Vital and say who they are, as some reads state that their local shop wasn't too helpful. That kind of service warrants being said.
You're right. The shop is Power sports Yamaha down in Sublimity Oregon. They are a great shop for sure! Have many friends over the years that have dealt with them. Top notch for sure!
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/519557994742717/permalink/1243088279056…

Seems it is quite common, just saw this in buy swap and sell dirt bikes Victoria Facebook page. It's putting me off Yamaha, not that I'd buy one of their four strokes but I'm concerned about buying a two stroke 250 now..if this is happening on 2016 model four strokes why should the two strokes be immune? Pretty scary stuff from a company that I used to believe had very good quality control
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I have a 2016 YZ450F, and I also got the same crack in the weld near the neck of the frame. I called Yamaha, and they said to have a dealer look at it and submit a warranty claim. Yamaha ended up paying for the new frame and labor to swap!!! As I understand, they look at every case individually, so I can’t guarantee they will do this with everyone. I assume that they saw I have registered all my bikes with them, and I’ve never ridden anything other than Yamaha. Still, I was pretty impressed and appreciative. I will probably be staying with them for the foreseeable future...especially after this interaction!
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PJRAUS wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/519557994742717/permalink/1243088279056348/ Seems it is quite common, just saw this in buy swap and sell dirt bikes Victoria Facebook page. It's putting me off Yamaha, not that...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/519557994742717/permalink/1243088279056…

Seems it is quite common, just saw this in buy swap and sell dirt bikes Victoria Facebook page. It's putting me off Yamaha, not that I'd buy one of their four strokes but I'm concerned about buying a two stroke 250 now..if this is happening on 2016 model four strokes why should the two strokes be immune? Pretty scary stuff from a company that I used to believe had very good quality control
Ha ha! " not that I'd buy one of there four strokes.."
So much for that then..

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