KTM partners with Chinese Manufacturer for new Factory

ob wrote:

It’s not so much the quality that concerns me, I know China quality can be as good as any. I just find it harder to support...

It’s not so much the quality that concerns me, I know China quality can be as good as any. I just find it harder to support China as a whole.

colintrax wrote:

Exactly. Quality product or not China needs to crumble.

ob wrote:

I don’t want to give them anymore of my money, and I want their people to go home and stop buying up our real-estate.

colintrax wrote:

Exactly. Quality product or not China needs to crumble.

ob wrote:

I don’t want to give them anymore of my money, and I want their people to go home and stop buying up our real-estate.

colintrax wrote:

I just meant their government, I'm cool if Chinese people wanna move here. Always cool to talk to people who grew different than me. The patent...

I just meant their government, I'm cool if Chinese people wanna move here. Always cool to talk to people who grew different than me. The patent theft, undercutting prices, and human rights violations is what I got an issue with

ob wrote:

I don’t want to give them anymore of my money, and I want their people to go home and stop buying up our real-estate.

GuyB wrote:

'Murica.

ob wrote:

I don’t want to give them anymore of my money, and I want their people to go home and stop buying up our real-estate.

GuyB wrote:

'Murica.

ttugrad1793 wrote:

did you have something to add Steve?

RandyS wrote:

I think once China gets the quality down it's entirely possible. I remember my dad and his friends in the early 70s talking about how they...

I think once China gets the quality down it's entirely possible. I remember my dad and his friends in the early 70s talking about how they would never ride Jap junk.

Drtbykr wrote:

I received the best corporate response ever on my snowblower. I usually research stuff hard, but it was shiny, red and had a big motor. Got...

I received the best corporate response ever on my snowblower.

I usually research stuff hard, but it was shiny, red and had a big motor.

Got home to read the manuals, it’s not a Tecumseh or B&S, it’s a Powermore. WTF is that.

So I e-mail their web-site and ask if they are made in China, reply e-mail says,

“Our engines are manufactured in China under the supervision of our Engineers.
We are located across the street from the Briggs and Stratton and Honda factories.”

For parts that require low tolerances and not the best metallurgy, that’s the future.

I couldn’t believe BMW was using China as an assembly plant for their 450’s.

China sure came in weak the first time.

bh84 wrote:

There goes that KTM quality. I`d never buy anything that has anything to do with CFMoto

bh84 wrote:

There goes that KTM quality. I`d never buy anything that has anything to do with CFMoto

mxtech1 wrote:

That's not how it works. KTM will still own the design which includes the parts, materials, and assembly processes used to build the bikes. KTM will...

That's not how it works. KTM will still own the design which includes the parts, materials, and assembly processes used to build the bikes. KTM will dictate the scenario here and guaranteed quality control will be at the forefront of the project scope.

As a business partner, CFMoto will be held to a very high quality standard. Often times in manufacturing, suppliers are achieving higher levels of quality than the parent organization. There are plenty of good, reputable businesses in China that rival the quality of a US or Austrian good.

Some people need to wake up. Not everything made in China is low-quality junk.

davyboy944 wrote:

I have no doubt that if China are asked to produce a part to a certain spec they will do it. The rate of development in...

I have no doubt that if China are asked to produce a part to a certain spec they will do it. The rate of development in the country has to be seen to be believed.

The Chinese economy is going crazy. There are a lot of very, very rich people with a lot of spare cash. Macau (Chinese Vegas) is 7 times more profitable than Vegas! 7!

....might be time to start learning Mandarin.

bh84 wrote:

There goes that KTM quality. I`d never buy anything that has anything to do with CFMoto

mxtech1 wrote:

That's not how it works. KTM will still own the design which includes the parts, materials, and assembly processes used to build the bikes. KTM will...

That's not how it works. KTM will still own the design which includes the parts, materials, and assembly processes used to build the bikes. KTM will dictate the scenario here and guaranteed quality control will be at the forefront of the project scope.

As a business partner, CFMoto will be held to a very high quality standard. Often times in manufacturing, suppliers are achieving higher levels of quality than the parent organization. There are plenty of good, reputable businesses in China that rival the quality of a US or Austrian good.

Some people need to wake up. Not everything made in China is low-quality junk.

bh84 wrote:

read my above post, I`ve had experience with their brand before.

scott_nz wrote:

the BMW/HUsqy 450 was built my Kymco in Taiwan,

they make a couple of models of quads and scooters for kawasaki as well,

bh84 wrote:

There goes that KTM quality. I`d never buy anything that has anything to do with CFMoto

mxtech1 wrote:

That's not how it works. KTM will still own the design which includes the parts, materials, and assembly processes used to build the bikes. KTM will...

That's not how it works. KTM will still own the design which includes the parts, materials, and assembly processes used to build the bikes. KTM will dictate the scenario here and guaranteed quality control will be at the forefront of the project scope.

As a business partner, CFMoto will be held to a very high quality standard. Often times in manufacturing, suppliers are achieving higher levels of quality than the parent organization. There are plenty of good, reputable businesses in China that rival the quality of a US or Austrian good.

Some people need to wake up. Not everything made in China is low-quality junk.

make1go wrote:

yes exactly, you can get qual out of china , just most go there for price point and that mean cutting quality.. as someone said japan...

yes exactly, you can get qual out of china , just most go there for price point and that mean cutting quality..

as someone said japan was thought the same in the 60s, and in the 70s the japanese over engineered everything and of course took the world by storm.
i have vintage synthesizers from the 70s/80s and the japanese ones are way more reliable than european or us ones.

ob wrote:

As long as they don't build their competition MX bikes in China in m ok with it. I only buy their race bikes and a wouldn't...

As long as they don't build their competition MX bikes in China in m ok with it. I only buy their race bikes and a wouldn't buy one made in China.

RandyS wrote:

You will soon or you won't be buying any new bikes.

ob wrote:

So you think all the manufacturers are moving production to China? Dought full

mxtech1 wrote:

You aren't comparing apples to apples. CFMoto products are designed and built by CFMoto, which includes their take, or lack there of, on product quality. As...

You aren't comparing apples to apples.

CFMoto products are designed and built by CFMoto, which includes their take, or lack there of, on product quality.

As I stated above, the KTM products that will be produced by CFMoto are KTM products. More or less, I believe KTM is just tapping into CFMoto's facility and manufacturing capabilities which is exponentially cheaper than building another manufacturing facility. KTM will still spec parts from the usual suppliers and every ounce of me believes the quality of that product will be on par, if not better, than current offerings.

Your post claims issues with component quality on CFMoto product. That has nothing to do with their assembly and manufacturing capabilities that KTM wants to take advantage of. KTM specs Tier 1 sub-components and it is asinine to assume just because the assembly origin changes, component quality will go from Tier 1 to say a Tier 3 supplier.

I have worked in manufacturing engineering for nearly 10 years. This strategy is fairly common, even among very popular US brands that most assume are "USA Made" products. Many folks don't realize that a lot of products that are "American made" are just assembled (put together) in the US using imported components.

RandyS wrote:

You will soon or you won't be buying any new bikes.

ob wrote:

So you think all the manufacturers are moving production to China? Dought full

APLMAN99 wrote:

It definitely wouldn't hurt to outsource some of our spelling functions to China.......

RandyS wrote:

I think once China gets the quality down it's entirely possible. I remember my dad and his friends in the early 70s talking about how they...

I think once China gets the quality down it's entirely possible. I remember my dad and his friends in the early 70s talking about how they would never ride Jap junk.

bh84 wrote:

There goes that KTM quality. I`d never buy anything that has anything to do with CFMoto

mxtech1 wrote:

That's not how it works. KTM will still own the design which includes the parts, materials, and assembly processes used to build the bikes. KTM will...

That's not how it works. KTM will still own the design which includes the parts, materials, and assembly processes used to build the bikes. KTM will dictate the scenario here and guaranteed quality control will be at the forefront of the project scope.

As a business partner, CFMoto will be held to a very high quality standard. Often times in manufacturing, suppliers are achieving higher levels of quality than the parent organization. There are plenty of good, reputable businesses in China that rival the quality of a US or Austrian good.

Some people need to wake up. Not everything made in China is low-quality junk.

mxtech1 wrote:

You aren't comparing apples to apples. CFMoto products are designed and built by CFMoto, which includes their take, or lack there of, on product quality. As...

You aren't comparing apples to apples.

CFMoto products are designed and built by CFMoto, which includes their take, or lack there of, on product quality.

As I stated above, the KTM products that will be produced by CFMoto are KTM products. More or less, I believe KTM is just tapping into CFMoto's facility and manufacturing capabilities which is exponentially cheaper than building another manufacturing facility. KTM will still spec parts from the usual suppliers and every ounce of me believes the quality of that product will be on par, if not better, than current offerings.

Your post claims issues with component quality on CFMoto product. That has nothing to do with their assembly and manufacturing capabilities that KTM wants to take advantage of. KTM specs Tier 1 sub-components and it is asinine to assume just because the assembly origin changes, component quality will go from Tier 1 to say a Tier 3 supplier.

I have worked in manufacturing engineering for nearly 10 years. This strategy is fairly common, even among very popular US brands that most assume are "USA Made" products. Many folks don't realize that a lot of products that are "American made" are just assembled (put together) in the US using imported components.

bh84 wrote:

KTM has already outsourced the Duke and RC390 to India. One of the most unreliable machines on the market. I've loved every KTM I've ever owned...

KTM has already outsourced the Duke and RC390 to India. One of the most unreliable machines on the market. I've loved every KTM I've ever owned, but those 390s are absolute turds because they are not built in Austria. Why would the 790s be any different? I've seen how this plays out already.

KTM outsources bikes = horribly unreliable bikes

CFMoto builds machines and puts their own name on them = nice looking machines with horrible fit/finish/build quality.

KTM outsources bikes to CFMoto = Dealers and service departments everywhere pulling out their hair while being yelled at by irate customers.

I've worked in dealerships for the past 12 years. Any time something gets outsourced(easy to tell by the VIN number) quality drops. Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, Can-Am and Polaris are all guilty of it.