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One last point. He signed his name to get his pro card. He read, or should of read what he signed. The rules of conduct are spelled out. It should be NO SURPRISE to anyone involved at the penalties imposed. It is All spelled out when he applied for his card. Not any different than an employer firing you for failing a drug test, if that's their policy.
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That’s an ingredient found in many over the counter pre workout supplements. I feel like this is what people are missing.
The punishment needs to fit the crime. Speeding in a car, vs theft obviously yields different punishments. For “banned” substances it should be the same scale. 4 years for something fairly common? Cmon now.
When sharapova was suspended she had been taking something that was legal, then later banned. Do you think wada provided justification for why they once found it ok, then changed their minds? Of course not. They are the judge , jury and executioner.
My point is if it is on the list as "banned", he signed the paperwork and submitted it for his po card. Even if you don't think it's right, it was all spelled out and he knew the consequences. That is if he read the forms he signed.
No crime has been committed towards Broc. Broc didn't abide by the rules he put his John Hancock too and he broke the agreement(s,) and now has been assessed a penity that was in his paper work for his FIM pro card.
But it is banned by WADA and that's what counts in this case...............
I am not saying I think the punishment fits the crime, but someone has to be accountable. I think everyone was but Broc, and now the penalty has been assessed.
So maybe to get around this we need a union. Maybe it will start, and then this sport will compensate the riders better in terms of safety and pay.
As more information is rolling out it seems more like a mishap than an intentional misuse of the substance. I think the rumor is it was a cold/allergy medication?
Not exactly WADA but from USADA:
Cold/Allergy/Cough: There are many cold and flu products and their formulations change frequently. It is essential to review the status of each active ingredient in the product before you take it. The following products and ingredients are permitted: dextromethorphan, Flonase, guaifenesin, Tussinex, loratadine, naphazoline, oxymetazoline, phenylephrine, promethazine, and tetrahydrozoline.
This was such an issue that about 6-7 years ago they actually put out this:
This advisory comes after multiple announcements that athletes around the world have tested positive for methylhexaneamine, a prohibited stimulant. Methylhexaneamine is known by many names including 1,3-dimethylamylamine (DMAA), dimethylpentylamine (DMP) 4-methylhexan-2-amine, Geranamine, and geranium oil, extract, or stems and leaves. Many products sold as dietary supplements openly list this substance on their labels, such as Jack3d (USP Labs), Lipo-6-Black and Hemo-Rage Black (Nutrex), Spriodex (Gaspari Nutrition), F-10 (Advanced Genetics), Clear Shot (E-Pharm), 1.M.R. (BPI Sports) and many others.
While it is not known whether the above products actually contain methylhexaneamine, athletes should steer clear of products that advertise to contain these substances.
Also, if “geranium” is listed as an ingredient on the label of a supplement, be advised that the product may contain synthetic methylhexaneamine. We have also seen instances where a supplement actually contained ingredients that were not listed on the label. In some cases, these non-labeled substances may trigger a positive test.
Athletes are also advised to exercise good judgment and avoid products with suspicious and exaggerated claims or names, which include marketing performance terms such as “stacked,” “muscle,” “mass,” “tren,” “bol,” “anabolic” or “legal steroid,” “power,” “blast,” “energy,” “stimulant” and similar terms. The product may in fact be a designer steroid or contain a prohibited substance, such as the prohibited stimulant methylhexaneamine.
The ongoing problem of dietary supplement mislabeling continues to create a risky environment for athletes. Unfortunately, due to the current permissive regulations governing the supplement industry, USADA cannot give guarantees to athletes regarding which products are safe and free from contamination.
Athletes need to be aware that they assume the risks of adverse health outcomes and positive anti-doping tests when choosing to take supplements. Athletes are urged to take necessary steps to be informed consumers and evaluate any supplements, including: understanding all ingredients, consulting with a physician to assess whether taking a supplement is necessary, and having products tested to ensure safety. Please remember that strict liability applies at all times, and an athlete is responsible for any prohibited substance found in their system.
Frequent formulation changes, mislabeling of active ingredients, and multiple different names for the same ingredient seem to be the perfect combination for WADA and USADA to be able to bust a unknowning athlete. Imagine having allergy problems and not being able to fix them with an OTC drug because your freaking paid chemist has the weekend off...
I say as long as these dudes aren't blood doping, injecting themselves with large amount of illegal substances (steroids), or whatever else along the line then let them take supplements that the average person can get from their local GNC or Complete nutrition.
I mean these guys could get popped for drinking too much coffee...
Our sport is a joke. At every single level.
Expecting to treat our athletes as if they make 50 million a year pathetic.
Not to mention I personally KNOW a few 250cc riders within the top 10 this year who are OUT OF POCKET to go race every year. If you put the total investment in by their parents up to pros vs what they "earned" anyone outside of the top 5 in the 250 class has lost money.
Even if you win a 250 title - and then go to the 450 class and never win a race again - net overall result after all expenditures each year isn't great.
Sure they can do it for the passion of it - it's the only reason MX/SX are still going...but our sport is largely a net negative investment - even for those in the top 10.
I am still patiently waiting for the data on a rider who is clearly fast enough to win but fades every week...
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Mostly it's relying on the testimony of the athlete, which is by its very nature potentially compromised.
First starters, I don't believe taking any PED will turn a guy into a race winner or championship contender. I mean Tickle for example is a great rider, but look at his results from past yrs and this yrs. If he was taking a PED on purpose it sure looks like it wasn't working.
Some will argue the whole well then the sport becomes who can afford the best drugs blah blah blah. Isnt this already true to an extent? Best riders get best bikes/team (better bike is an advantage), and also best trainers (fitness advantage). Think 722 can afford to be on Bakers program? Think is bike is on par with Krocs?
Some ppl are naturally more athletic then others. In any sport, some ppl have a natural advantage due their genetics. Should they be banned? Wouldn't allowing PEDs actually create a more fair playing field since the less "gifted" could have an opportunity to be the absolute best they can be? Of course the "gifted" could also take PEDs so maybe the would still be better, in that case its the same, so only difference is now everyone is even more elevated. I would like to see less lappers in the mains. Maybe this would help.
How do we justify the use of pre workout and protein supplements as ok, yet say taking HGH for example is not. Are they not both designed to be better then natural alternatives? I understand HGH is more extreme, however in all reality they are both made to improve the humans body.
Another thing I have thought about that i'v never seen mentioned, is there any testing at the Amateur level? Is there USADA testing at LLs or Mini O's?
Thats like having an accidental dose of meth, or an accidental dose of Adderall. LOLZ That said, alot people snort their preworkout if they buy it pure. Meaning no other ingredients.
The big thing I think is wrong with the present setup is the way the penalty is administered. I understand there is an appeal process. If Brock appeals and/or his B sample is tested in it is negative, well he's missed a race now and is severely handicapped in the results of the series. That can't be recovered from. If they fail a test, put them on notice. Let them race. If the penalty sticks, retake the points they gained in those event. Bump the guys up that were behind them if you have to but let them race. Maybe they did that and that's why the results took so long to become public. I never heard that though.
Separate the field even more. Then the rich rider/teams will take whatever to win. And where will it end, then turns into a safety, health issue. Bottom line read the rulebook. Any doubts ask and research before using stuff in question. No excuses. Riders know the penalty. I bet they read the fine print in their $$ contract.
Maybe you should Read the labels. If you can post on this board, you can probably read.
DMAA isnt in all pre-workout products. If you could read, or did read, you would know it or not.,
Alot buy all their stuff in bulk as raws. Its cheaper. Its plain wrapper. You're not paying for a brand name and fancy label. Plus they are not paying for unneeded fillers.
They snort the DMAA because the effect is immediate instead of having to take it prior to and not knowing when its actually working due to empty stomach, vs eating it with a meal, slowing digestion etc.
People crush and snort adderall to bypass the time release effect for the same exact reason. Adderall is just amphetamines.
If cocaine was prescription, they would just crush it back into a powder!
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