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Jake67 3/11/2018 10:21pm
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Jumped on the Xbox today and all out has an 18gb update. Guessing that’s just the game for digital pre orders?
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Jake67 wrote:
Jumped on the Xbox today and all out has an 18gb update. Guessing that’s just the game for digital pre orders?
I would assume it's the game itself. Can't release an update for a game that hasn't been released yet.

Digital version of games download to the console before their release date so that once the day comes you can start playing it immediately.
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Jumped on the Xbox today and all out has an 18gb update. Guessing that’s just the game for digital pre orders?
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I would assume it's the game itself. Can't release an update for a game that hasn't been released yet. Digital version of games download to the...
I would assume it's the game itself. Can't release an update for a game that hasn't been released yet.

Digital version of games download to the console before their release date so that once the day comes you can start playing it immediately.
Yeah that’s what I meant lol. Suprised At it only being 17gb but.
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Do t worry the other 10gigs will be released shortly after release as dlc

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MotoMo165 wrote:
Do t worry the other 10gigs will be released shortly after release as dlc
Not any worse than Monster Energy Supercross The Official Video Game not including the Monster Energy Cup event and the Monster Energy Supercross Compound both of which will be DLC. They also have DLC for extra graphics and gear, icons for your useless profile and butt patches, 2x multiplier points. All things that could of been included in the game except maybe the 2x multiplier points. That's 5 different extra DLC content.

@Jake67 MES takes less than 12gb of storage space (PS4).
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flatout111 3/12/2018 5:38am
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Lastander wrote:
Who cares about the rider roster anyway? As Mac said, online will be the main thing
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I would assume after seeing this roster that we won't have any heats, lcqs, mains and a valid points series. And even if we do, it...
I would assume after seeing this roster that we won't have any heats, lcqs, mains and a valid points series. And even if we do, it won't be legit as a lot of the top tier stars aren't in the game. That's what I like about the competition's games. They have all the riders and you can actually play full season mode and the points series actually makes sense to a degree.

This will be cool for online players but for those who like recreating the series it's not promising. But then again, that's not what they are shooting for anyway, obviously. MX vs ATV has basically been all about 1 off exhibition races anyway so no shocker here. Hey, at least it's not as fast and exaggerated as Encore so I'll take it.

It prob won't get much playing time from me but hoping between the two games most out there can find one they really love.
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I love that you can make such a massive inference based on a list of names...

Go back to MES and its bugs
No need to be in a bad mood, dude. It's all good. Let me explain and maybe at least you will see my point of view. If not, that's fine, too.

**Warning...long 111 rant post so just steer clear if don't care to read it. Smile

For those who say it doesn't matter that All Out doesn't have the upper echelon riders, or real tracks or Heats, Semis, LCQs, full mains and a full season points series, let me ask you this.

You guys play other sports games, right? Or at least grew up on them. The Show, Madden, NBA2K, NHL, Fifa, Nascar, MXGP, MotoGP? So how much value would say Madden have if only about 20% of the real players and none of the real teams or arenas were there? Also, how about if you couldn't play a full career or season mode going thru the playoffs on to the Super Bowl? All you could play is one game stuff. I mean, if I'm a football fan...which I'm not, btw,.. then I'm out at that point. It would be the game doing a horrible recreation of the sport it is trying to emulate. You just don't have a lot to play for, long term.

To me...and, it is just my opinion...that is the MVA series. It can be fun, certain iterations, but it basically is for fun one off races with someone online or a buddy. And hey, that's perfectly legit. But you don't get that immersion of a full season or career running thru all the qualifying, heats, semis, the pressures of the lcqs and mains and the tension of a full battle 17 weeks long in a points series. It simply IS NOT there. It IS there in Milestone's games. It was also there when EA Sports did EA Supercross 2000. That's pretty much about it for our sport and console wise.

MES' AI can be off and sketchy at times but at least they have all the riders and they generally are in the ballpark finish wise as they are in real life. So thus it actually makes somewhat sense if you're playing Championship season mode. In other words, if you're playing NHL, Crosby isn't dead last in the NHL in points. It's just not right.

It's two totally opposite approaches. Both valid. MES and MXGP are for the fans who want to recreate their sports series ala Madden, 2k, Fifa, etc. MVA is for those who just want to casually race one off exhibition races with someone online or a buddy but has little interest in running a full season mode and the intricacies in each race's full day's events.

And I'm not making inferences. I am going by Rainbow's track record. Only in Unleashed did they have a somewhat legit season mode. The moon physics killed it for me and mile wide tracks but hey they sorta did the series right. Reflex kinda had something but then the mains were a flimsy 3 laps long. Pointless. Encore had a season mode (no heats, semis, lcqs, though) but you couldn't pick your riders and the AI Pro riders were so random it made very little sense 5 races in. They followed that up with a good try at replica tracks then dumbed it down by not being able to make a custom full series with the real tracks. That was pretty inexcusable.

It's just two different approaches. Some just want to fire up and race, some want the immersion of actually recreating our sport. It's good we have both games that should please both crowds but it is DEF different ways of doing it. MVA does include lots of different aspects like ATVs, UTVs, Freestyle...so it's kinda dirt jack of all trades, master of none. But if you dig that stuff you do get more variety.

I'm actually a bit surprised. Even though most love MES, I still think people underestimate the enormity of what Milestone pulled off and it has been taken for granted. There is a LOT in this game...without DLC...right from get go and though we were told it was impossible it is all about 99% #authenticity. Wink That should be majorly commended as it's only sorta happened one other time on consoles. I find it baffling that people complain so much about, say, I can't join Red Bull KTM and use their graphics. It was obviously licensing rules. But hey, at least in this game you finally have a career mode, a season mode, the real teams, the real bikes and graphics and real riders (minus 3 and 33). And the real tracks and arenas. We have got so little in SX games over the years that we are accustomed to getting nothing. Well, MES brings it. And I am thankful.

But I digress. I think MVA does some things right. Hands down, the best third person cam between the two and I love the custom camera.

If you prefer MVA, great. Play it. I'll buy it and hopefully enjoy it but I know beforehand it's job is not to have a blast recreating the actual series. But hey, if it's just fun then that's all good too. Nothing wrong with that and I am glad we have both making enough money to keep their respective franchises going profitably.


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Caseclosed713 3/12/2018 7:58am
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I'm ready for All Out. I'm so burnt out with career mode on MES and racing online has not been very enjoyable.
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Caseclosed713 wrote:
I'm ready for All Out. I'm so burnt out with career mode on MES and racing online has not been very enjoyable.
i haven't touched it in over a week and don't really have plans to.

the biggest problem is how repetitive it is. no reason to do anything once you've won all 3 championships. the online portion is garbage even when it works decent.
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Caseclosed713 wrote:
I'm ready for All Out. I'm so burnt out with career mode on MES and racing online has not been very enjoyable.
peelout wrote:
i haven't touched it in over a week and don't really have plans to. the biggest problem is how repetitive it is. no reason to do...
i haven't touched it in over a week and don't really have plans to.

the biggest problem is how repetitive it is. no reason to do anything once you've won all 3 championships. the online portion is garbage even when it works decent.
Every Milestone game ever. The tracks are boring because the physics are too sloppy to handle real SX style and online is buggy as hell and just takes any bit of fun that was there out.
Caseclosed713 3/12/2018 10:40am
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peelout wrote:
i haven't touched it in over a week and don't really have plans to. the biggest problem is how repetitive it is. no reason to do...
i haven't touched it in over a week and don't really have plans to.

the biggest problem is how repetitive it is. no reason to do anything once you've won all 3 championships. the online portion is garbage even when it works decent.
Agree 100%. The online experience is total crap which is a killer for me. I don't know...maybe I'm just stuck in the glory days of online racing in MCM2. I feel like I'm always chasing that experience hoping one of these games will get it right.
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Donovan759 3/12/2018 10:43am
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Caseclosed713 wrote:
I'm ready for All Out. I'm so burnt out with career mode on MES and racing online has not been very enjoyable.
peelout wrote:
i haven't touched it in over a week and don't really have plans to. the biggest problem is how repetitive it is. no reason to do...
i haven't touched it in over a week and don't really have plans to.

the biggest problem is how repetitive it is. no reason to do anything once you've won all 3 championships. the online portion is garbage even when it works decent.
aeffertz wrote:
Every Milestone game ever. The tracks are boring because the physics are too sloppy to handle real SX style and online is buggy as hell and...
Every Milestone game ever. The tracks are boring because the physics are too sloppy to handle real SX style and online is buggy as hell and just takes any bit of fun that was there out.
This! IMO, MES would be totally different if the clutch was anywhere close to useable. You cant ride SX style with no clutch. The game is broken. Period.

I enjoy it. I'm thankful for it. But its getting old fast.

I'm really looking forward to have MvA to play also.
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I hopped on the other night to see if there has been any improvement in online. (xbox) and still couldn't see user tracks and online kept booting me.. Then tried time trial or whatever and kept getting kicked to main menu.. Very frustrating. Looking forward to play riding in All Out
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flatout111 3/12/2018 11:05am
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rc4187 wrote:
There is nothing in my post that is tearing All Out apart as you said. I was basically just saying they didn't include a ton of big names but it doesn't matter because there is no actual season series so it doesn't really have any significance. Maybe All Out will have a killer career but it will be their first.

To each his own. I'll get it and it does look better than Encore which I didn't care for at all. Rainbow frustrates me with their game design, though, I can't deny. But hey, that's just me. I've always wanted the 2K of SX and MX so that's just what enjoy.

But again, All Out looks much better and at least the market has two developers making Moto games. Milestone seems to replicate their specified series really well and MVA does a lot for the casual fan so it's a win win with both based being somewhat covered..

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peelout wrote:
i haven't touched it in over a week and don't really have plans to. the biggest problem is how repetitive it is. no reason to do...
i haven't touched it in over a week and don't really have plans to.

the biggest problem is how repetitive it is. no reason to do anything once you've won all 3 championships. the online portion is garbage even when it works decent.
Played a bit of online last night and it was far better after the update. Not nearly as many issues with lag (outside of the start / finish) and the tough block problem is significantly better.

I will say though that playing it with collisions on is incredibly frustrating. The amount of people that t-bone you in the corner because they know it will send you flying off the track makes the game far less enjoyable... even more so when you hear the dude scream out, "punted the fucker".
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peelout 3/12/2018 11:09am
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rc4187 wrote:
go read the review for GRAVEL, Milestone's new offroad car racing game.

literally the entire article could be changed to say Monster Energy Supercross the Game, in place of Gravel, and it would be word for word on MES.
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flatout111 3/12/2018 11:10am
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Any word if we might get Outdoor replica tracks for All Out? ML512 and Matthes both mentioned some sort of replicas back when game was announced but nothing even rumored thus far.
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Donovan759 3/12/2018 11:12am
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flatout111 wrote:
Any word if we might get Outdoor replica tracks for All Out? ML512 and Matthes both mentioned some sort of replicas back when game was announced...
Any word if we might get Outdoor replica tracks for All Out? ML512 and Matthes both mentioned some sort of replicas back when game was announced but nothing even rumored thus far.
I believe they answered that on the twitter Q&A and said no replica tracks. I believe 12 Outdoor tracks and 16 Supercross along with some waypoint, omnicross etc. tracks.

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Caseclosed713 3/12/2018 11:14am
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akillerwombat wrote:
Played a bit of online last night and it was far better after the update. Not nearly as many issues with lag (outside of the start...
Played a bit of online last night and it was far better after the update. Not nearly as many issues with lag (outside of the start / finish) and the tough block problem is significantly better.

I will say though that playing it with collisions on is incredibly frustrating. The amount of people that t-bone you in the corner because they know it will send you flying off the track makes the game far less enjoyable... even more so when you hear the dude scream out, "punted the fucker".
That shit is annoying. I was actually in a good race last night, but there was one asshole who would stop and wait for me and this other guy to come around and plow us going into the corner.
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That shit is annoying. I was actually in a good race last night, but there was one asshole who would stop and wait for me and...
That shit is annoying. I was actually in a good race last night, but there was one asshole who would stop and wait for me and this other guy to come around and plow us going into the corner.
Yup, was playing with a group of people I didn't know and every time I got in the lead someone would ram the shit out of me, announce it to the crowd, and continue their race.

Took a lot of the fun out of it.
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flatout111 3/12/2018 11:29am
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See, yes, I much prefer MES to everything MVA has given us in the past 14 years but despite what everyone thinks, I'm not a MVA hater. I just wish they would not be so jack of all trades and step it up and give us something not so...generic feeling. And something with some progression since they've been at this for nearly 2 decades.

Trust me, if they would make the scale sensible and keep the game speed in check...which thankfully All Out seems much better at...and could somehow land the Lucas Oil Pro Motocross replica tracks and better yet a full MX series my opinionated ass would be All In! Smile Cause I love that slot cam! So maybe I'm not their biggest fan but I do still hope.
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flatout111 3/12/2018 11:32am
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flatout111 wrote:
Any word if we might get Outdoor replica tracks for All Out? ML512 and Matthes both mentioned some sort of replicas back when game was announced...
Any word if we might get Outdoor replica tracks for All Out? ML512 and Matthes both mentioned some sort of replicas back when game was announced but nothing even rumored thus far.
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I believe they answered that on the twitter Q&A and said no replica tracks. I believe 12 Outdoor tracks and 16 Supercross along with some waypoint...
I believe they answered that on the twitter Q&A and said no replica tracks. I believe 12 Outdoor tracks and 16 Supercross along with some waypoint, omnicross etc. tracks.
That's a bummer. Oh well. I didn't think it would happen but was hoping.
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That shit is annoying. I was actually in a good race last night, but there was one asshole who would stop and wait for me and...
That shit is annoying. I was actually in a good race last night, but there was one asshole who would stop and wait for me and this other guy to come around and plow us going into the corner.
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Yup, was playing with a group of people I didn't know and every time I got in the lead someone would ram the shit out of...
Yup, was playing with a group of people I didn't know and every time I got in the lead someone would ram the shit out of me, announce it to the crowd, and continue their race.

Took a lot of the fun out of it.
I won’t play online unless I’m racing with the vital guys. Otherwise there is no point. Unless you are fast enough to pull away from everyone, it’s not fun to get cleaned out every time you go into a corner.
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flatout111 wrote:
There is nothing in my post that is tearing All Out apart as you said. I was basically just saying they didn't include a ton of...
There is nothing in my post that is tearing All Out apart as you said. I was basically just saying they didn't include a ton of big names but it doesn't matter because there is no actual season series so it doesn't really have any significance. Maybe All Out will have a killer career but it will be their first.

To each his own. I'll get it and it does look better than Encore which I didn't care for at all. Rainbow frustrates me with their game design, though, I can't deny. But hey, that's just me. I've always wanted the 2K of SX and MX so that's just what enjoy.

But again, All Out looks much better and at least the market has two developers making Moto games. Milestone seems to replicate their specified series really well and MVA does a lot for the casual fan so it's a win win with both based being somewhat covered..

bro.

it is mind boggling how redundant you are. MES is out now. we have all played it.

we know
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peelout wrote:
go read the review for GRAVEL, Milestone's new offroad car racing game. literally the entire article could be changed to say Monster Energy Supercross the Game...
go read the review for GRAVEL, Milestone's new offroad car racing game.

literally the entire article could be changed to say Monster Energy Supercross the Game, in place of Gravel, and it would be word for word on MES.
HA! I downloaded the demo of Gravel... What a turd of a game.
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gnarwhip 3/13/2018 10:28pm
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Is it like Relfex? I used to be good at them shits on Xbox Live (gnarwhip). If it is I'm gonna have to go buy a Xbox one and this game, cus Reflex was fun as hell
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i have logged a fewwwwwwwwwww hours on reflex and sx encore. Its fun as heck. If this is somewhat like it or better I will like it. I had it preordered waiting for it to come in the mail.

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