Barcia on a 350 next year?

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9/10/2017 7:46am
So glad I found this. Gives me something to do if the football gets too boring today.
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9/10/2017 8:01am
olds cool wrote:
So glad I found this. Gives me something to do if the football gets too boring today.
Agreed. I expected a Barcia thread to deliver the usual riding style banter. This whole bran situation has the thread looking promising. You might say it's not just a regular thread...regular...bran...bah dum tiss...
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9/10/2017 9:03am
I think Bran Bran should train with Jeff Hastings
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9/10/2017 9:42am
FahQ wrote:
I think Bran Bran should train with Jeff Hastings
And Tarvis Pastrami.

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9/10/2017 9:58am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Anyone else think that some of his injuries on the 459 have a lot to do with the way he rides it? Keeping the bike revved...
Anyone else think that some of his injuries on the 459 have a lot to do with the way he rides it? Keeping the bike revved high and unsettling the bike. Revving the 450 like that upsets the chassis and the bikes just don't handle well like that.
BobPA wrote:
Tell that to Herlings
jeffro503 wrote:
What? Herlings doesn't rev the bike....exactly the opposite of what Justin does. He basically lugs that thing around the track.
Have you watched one of his GoPro's recently? Or the video of him training at the Bakers factory? Aggressive as fuck and high in the revs...
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9/10/2017 10:12am
FahQ wrote:
I think Bran Bran should train with Jeff Hastings
HAR! Took me a min though
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9/10/2017 11:43am
I too would like to see him ride a 350 even in just a test drive
I wonder if he has ever thrown a leg over 1 ?
9/10/2017 12:13pm
Dmcc wrote:
Your rite it s called common sense genuis
GuyB wrote:
We're considering setting a minimum bar for spelling and punctuation here...you know, to prevent people from playing the "MXers are home-schooled" card.

You're below the bar.
That's GOLD Gibby, lol
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9/10/2017 12:29pm
Tarz483 wrote:
I too would like to see him ride a 350 even in just a test drive I wonder if he has ever thrown a leg over...
I too would like to see him ride a 350 even in just a test drive
I wonder if he has ever thrown a leg over 1 ?
I haven t seen anything but hope he gives it a try
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9/10/2017 12:31pm
Dean Wilson is now on a factory ride because he took a chance
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9/10/2017 12:35pm
And bought his own bikes.
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9/10/2017 12:38pm
Bran Salad Surgery by ELP is one of the best albums ever! Silly
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9/10/2017 1:08pm
Nice try it isn t going to work. How about you guys try something bran new. Hahahahaha.
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9/10/2017 3:25pm
I heard he's switching Brans from Post to Kellogg's. Huh
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9/11/2017 12:05am
And Tomac doesn't rev his bike to the moon?? Barcia's problem has NOTHING to do with revving his bike too much. Please have a think about how stupid that sounds? Laughing Laughing Justin Barcia is just doing shit because he's always coming back from injury and has probably had enough of the sport.

Some of you don't even race, or if you do, you're shit at it (don't worry I'm shit too), so who do you think you are telling Justin freakin Barcia how to ride?
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9/11/2017 2:11am
mingham97 wrote:
And Tomac doesn't rev his bike to the moon?? Barcia's problem has NOTHING to do with revving his bike too much. Please have a think about...
And Tomac doesn't rev his bike to the moon?? Barcia's problem has NOTHING to do with revving his bike too much. Please have a think about how stupid that sounds? Laughing Laughing Justin Barcia is just doing shit because he's always coming back from injury and has probably had enough of the sport.

Some of you don't even race, or if you do, you're shit at it (don't worry I'm shit too), so who do you think you are telling Justin freakin Barcia how to ride?
Go watch practice vids of each, anyone can see and hear they're not the same.

If you can't I don't know what to tell you but it ain't hard. And how fast you are has nothing to do with critical thought or analysis.
9/11/2017 3:46am
mingham97 wrote:
And Tomac doesn't rev his bike to the moon?? Barcia's problem has NOTHING to do with revving his bike too much. Please have a think about...
And Tomac doesn't rev his bike to the moon?? Barcia's problem has NOTHING to do with revving his bike too much. Please have a think about how stupid that sounds? Laughing Laughing Justin Barcia is just doing shit because he's always coming back from injury and has probably had enough of the sport.

Some of you don't even race, or if you do, you're shit at it (don't worry I'm shit too), so who do you think you are telling Justin freakin Barcia how to ride?
Crush wrote:
Go watch practice vids of each, anyone can see and hear they're not the same. If you can't I don't know what to tell you but...
Go watch practice vids of each, anyone can see and hear they're not the same.

If you can't I don't know what to tell you but it ain't hard. And how fast you are has nothing to do with critical thought or analysis.
It has something to do with it. How can you analyse someone and telling what he's doing wrong if you yourself can't even ride a third of his pace?

Yes you can compare riders, so let's compare riders: let's say Canard and Pourcel in 2008. They're basically the complete opposite of each other riding wise, so.. how were they so close? Or more recently, let's say the man in question and Dungey, Red Bud 2015. Barcia doesn't know how to ride a 450 according to experts yet managed to win against the champ of that year. Great analysis. Grinning
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9/11/2017 5:04am
EnvyMedia wrote:
It has something to do with it. How can you analyse someone and telling what he's doing wrong if you yourself can't even ride a third...
It has something to do with it. How can you analyse someone and telling what he's doing wrong if you yourself can't even ride a third of his pace?

Yes you can compare riders, so let's compare riders: let's say Canard and Pourcel in 2008. They're basically the complete opposite of each other riding wise, so.. how were they so close? Or more recently, let's say the man in question and Dungey, Red Bud 2015. Barcia doesn't know how to ride a 450 according to experts yet managed to win against the champ of that year. Great analysis. Grinning
I love how all these jokers on here think they know what is best for Justin or any other rider for that matter. This thread has really made me chuckle because somehow he will be better off on a bike that is down on power because he likes to bounce his bike off the rev limiter in the air.
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9/11/2017 6:03am Edited Date/Time 9/11/2017 6:04am
mingham97 wrote:
And Tomac doesn't rev his bike to the moon?? Barcia's problem has NOTHING to do with revving his bike too much. Please have a think about...
And Tomac doesn't rev his bike to the moon?? Barcia's problem has NOTHING to do with revving his bike too much. Please have a think about how stupid that sounds? Laughing Laughing Justin Barcia is just doing shit because he's always coming back from injury and has probably had enough of the sport.

Some of you don't even race, or if you do, you're shit at it (don't worry I'm shit too), so who do you think you are telling Justin freakin Barcia how to ride?
Crush wrote:
Go watch practice vids of each, anyone can see and hear they're not the same. If you can't I don't know what to tell you but...
Go watch practice vids of each, anyone can see and hear they're not the same.

If you can't I don't know what to tell you but it ain't hard. And how fast you are has nothing to do with critical thought or analysis.
How fast you are has a lot to do with it. Otherwise you don't know what you're talking about frankly. You don't see beginners teaching many riding schools.
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9/11/2017 6:34am Edited Date/Time 9/11/2017 6:46am
I don't get how people get hung up on this.

You're directly comparing him to his peers. Not me. Not you.

You're also directly comparing with an on track example of how you can do it better. (ie faster).

It's not a live analysis of anyone posting here's ability to comment the second he or Dungey rides past.

Of course, there's a lot of ways to throw a ball. Does he not know how to ride? Of course not, he's a spook. And talented as all fuck. But that's not the point.

In an age of HD slow-mo replays and pros analysis from people like DV, JT, Ryno, Bailey, MC, Fro or GL, if you or he can't look, listen and compare how in-efficient he is on the bike compared to say Kenny, someone he grew up beating, who is visually smoother, less dynamic and who you can flat out hear riding different, then like I said, fine.

But then spare me any comment you'd like to make saying this guy is smooth, or aggressive, or that's a nice golf swing, or that's a good shot, or blah blah blah, because ostensibly no-one knows what the fuck they're talking about regarding anything at all, unless they're a current or pro number one in that chosen field.

SMH.
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9/11/2017 6:42am
Dont recall Aldon Baker ever being a rider?

I dont need to be able to do something to know when somebody is doing something wrong, I dont need to be able to sing , to spot someone who cant sign.

Barcia has ALWAYS been renowned for revving his bike to death, from when he was in a the Amateurs, and while you can do it on a 250F , the physics of a 450 motor mean that when you do it with the big bike, it screws it all up, because the rotating mass of the crank is so much higher, and thus the intertia.

Thats not opinion , its engineering fact .

Barcia will not get any better until he stops trying to sound fast, and just goes fast.
9/11/2017 7:48am
The dudes riding style is just fine. He did plenty good when he rode the single exhaust Honda's before signing a big money JGR Yamaha deal.
9/11/2017 8:18am
FahQ wrote:
I think Bran Bran should train with Jeff Hastings
GuyB wrote:
And Tarvis Pastrami.
Can't forget Randy Carbuncle.
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9/11/2017 8:23am Edited Date/Time 9/11/2017 8:24am
Barcia 3 months injury free will be killin it on anything he rides!
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9/11/2017 8:27am
Sometimes you need to slow down to go faster. That's Barcia in a nutshell.

I think Barcia is burned out now. Won't at all be surprised if he hangs it up. He's made good money. Had a nice career.
9/11/2017 9:13am
philG wrote:
Dont recall Aldon Baker ever being a rider? I dont need to be able to do something to know when somebody is doing something wrong, I...
Dont recall Aldon Baker ever being a rider?

I dont need to be able to do something to know when somebody is doing something wrong, I dont need to be able to sing , to spot someone who cant sign.

Barcia has ALWAYS been renowned for revving his bike to death, from when he was in a the Amateurs, and while you can do it on a 250F , the physics of a 450 motor mean that when you do it with the big bike, it screws it all up, because the rotating mass of the crank is so much higher, and thus the intertia.

Thats not opinion , its engineering fact .

Barcia will not get any better until he stops trying to sound fast, and just goes fast.
Comparing someone who can't sing to someone who can is comparing a top pro to someone who has never touched the bike.
9/11/2017 11:29am Edited Date/Time 9/11/2017 11:30am
philG wrote:
Dont recall Aldon Baker ever being a rider? I dont need to be able to do something to know when somebody is doing something wrong, I...
Dont recall Aldon Baker ever being a rider?

I dont need to be able to do something to know when somebody is doing something wrong, I dont need to be able to sing , to spot someone who cant sign.

Barcia has ALWAYS been renowned for revving his bike to death, from when he was in a the Amateurs, and while you can do it on a 250F , the physics of a 450 motor mean that when you do it with the big bike, it screws it all up, because the rotating mass of the crank is so much higher, and thus the intertia.

Thats not opinion , its engineering fact .

Barcia will not get any better until he stops trying to sound fast, and just goes fast.
He took a 3-3 behind Dungey and Villopoto, the 2 most dominant riders of the last decade, in his first ever professional race on a 450 at Unadilla in 2011. As a fill in rider. He went 4-10 at Washougal on a 250 two weeks prior. Yea, it has to be his technique that suits the 250 better. Dry
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9/11/2017 11:35am
Dmcc wrote:
Your rite it s called common sense genuis
GuyB wrote:
We're considering setting a minimum bar for spelling and punctuation here...you know, to prevent people from playing the "MXers are home-schooled" card.

You're below the bar.
Dmcc wrote:
Is that all you got clown. Went from telling me to call him to spelling and punctuation All of us on here should shut up and...
Is that all you got clown. Went from telling me to call him to spelling and punctuation
All of us on here should shut up and listen to you. Let me guess your a bran surgeon or a rocket scientist. Do the letters F.O. mean anything to you. You should be proud of yourself you were the first one In your family to walk upright.
CLICK!Laughing he must not know GuyB is the boss around here.
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9/11/2017 11:49am
philG wrote:
Dont recall Aldon Baker ever being a rider? I dont need to be able to do something to know when somebody is doing something wrong, I...
Dont recall Aldon Baker ever being a rider?

I dont need to be able to do something to know when somebody is doing something wrong, I dont need to be able to sing , to spot someone who cant sign.

Barcia has ALWAYS been renowned for revving his bike to death, from when he was in a the Amateurs, and while you can do it on a 250F , the physics of a 450 motor mean that when you do it with the big bike, it screws it all up, because the rotating mass of the crank is so much higher, and thus the intertia.

Thats not opinion , its engineering fact .

Barcia will not get any better until he stops trying to sound fast, and just goes fast.
Show me your calculations proving this theory of yours. I would love to see actual facts and statistics to supports your claim...Not just "its engineering fact"
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9/11/2017 12:11pm Edited Date/Time 9/11/2017 12:16pm
BobPA wrote:
Show me your calculations proving this theory of yours. I would love to see actual facts and statistics to supports your claim...Not just "its engineering fact"
Its not a theory of mine, its fucking basic engine dynamics. A 250 crank and a 450 crank have vastly different weights and sizes. When they are spinning at the same RPM they create a totally different amount of intertia,

That inertia acts as a gyroscope, and will will have to be overcome to help the bike change direction, its why road race bikes you ultra lightweight wheels, because not only does it save weight , and unsprung weight, at that , it also enables riders to change direction far easier. Its Physics, not opinion .

When i was building World Championship winning Rally cars , we had to homologate various parts by design and weight, we used to run high and low inertia flywheels, one had all its mass close to the centre , the other had it moved to the edge, so you could alter engine characteristics between tarmac and gravel.

One of the main benefits of that little polygon in your profile pic, is its light weight , and lack of inertia... you really should have known,



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