Herlings Corner Speed

Rowlands wrote:

If it comes down to suspension and tires we should see some bike changes for next season. The AMA teams and riders must be kicking themselves...

If it comes down to suspension and tires we should see some bike changes for next season. The AMA teams and riders must be kicking themselves for missing such a simple set up issue

ledger wrote:

Langston mentioned JH was running Pirelli....hmmm. interesting.

Alex814 wrote:

I was intrigued by this too. However, other factory teams here, JGR being one, had Pirelli's last year. From what I heard, that was more of...

I was intrigued by this too. However, other factory teams here, JGR being one, had Pirelli's last year. From what I heard, that was more of a negative then a positive in the riders' opinion.
The part I was most curious about is which Pirelli's he was on. In press day photos it looked like he was using a sand tire, did he race with that? I think all the Dunlops were the MX3S.

Rowlands wrote:

If it comes down to suspension and tires we should see some bike changes for next season. The AMA teams and riders must be kicking themselves...

If it comes down to suspension and tires we should see some bike changes for next season. The AMA teams and riders must be kicking themselves for missing such a simple set up issue

Andy_Greenney wrote:

120mm sag and a pirelli paddle on the back.....thats the secret

WCRider wrote:

Interesting Stefan has always had a style with the elbows very open [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/28/211843/s1200_Sans_titre.jpg[/img]

Interesting

Stefan has always had a style with the elbows very open

ledger wrote:

Langston mentioned JH was running Pirelli....hmmm. interesting.

Alex814 wrote:

I was intrigued by this too. However, other factory teams here, JGR being one, had Pirelli's last year. From what I heard, that was more of...

I was intrigued by this too. However, other factory teams here, JGR being one, had Pirelli's last year. From what I heard, that was more of a negative then a positive in the riders' opinion.
The part I was most curious about is which Pirelli's he was on. In press day photos it looked like he was using a sand tire, did he race with that? I think all the Dunlops were the MX3S.

jamma10 wrote:

I read somewhere, probably on RacerX, that the MX-11 sand tyre was all that was available to him until saturday morning when someone was arriving with...

I read somewhere, probably on RacerX, that the MX-11 sand tyre was all that was available to him until saturday morning when someone was arriving with tyres and a few other bits, whatever they were. Tulips from Amsterdam maybe?

Sideways wrote:

Stop this nonsense. Tomacs style is nothing like everts. You post som pics on the take off of jumps.. alot of guys stand there. Everts style...

Stop this nonsense. Tomacs style is nothing like everts. You post som pics on the take off of jumps.. alot of guys stand there. Everts style looked effortless. It almost looked like he was out on a warmup lap when he was in full speed. Standing everywhere.

Tomac sits alot and just hammers the throttle and looks very aggressive. Total opposite.

Sideways wrote:

Stop this nonsense. Tomacs style is nothing like everts. You post som pics on the take off of jumps.. alot of guys stand there. Everts style...

Stop this nonsense. Tomacs style is nothing like everts. You post som pics on the take off of jumps.. alot of guys stand there. Everts style looked effortless. It almost looked like he was out on a warmup lap when he was in full speed. Standing everywhere.

Tomac sits alot and just hammers the throttle and looks very aggressive. Total opposite.

WCRider wrote:

Nosense ? Ok. Obv Tomac is more aggressive, i talk about legs position and riding skill with legs, nothing more.

philG wrote:

You cannot judge Herlings riding at all until you have stood trackside and watched him, because the laptimes come from things you dont appreciate until you...

You cannot judge Herlings riding at all until you have stood trackside and watched him, because the laptimes come from things you dont appreciate until you watch everyone else do the same part of the track. It does not come across on TV at all.

tempura wrote:

Joffrey heartlings mechanic know's how to properly torque sprocket bolts, that's why his corner speed cannot be beat. Elk Twomacs, and Mehthin Moosecan's mechanics, please take...

Joffrey heartlings mechanic know's how to properly torque sprocket bolts, that's why his corner speed cannot be beat.
Elk Twomacs, and Mehthin Moosecan's mechanics, please take note!!

tempura wrote:

Stop talking out of your ass, they ride nothing a like... You can have your opinion, but of course, it's wrong. Carry on..
Much ty

WCRider wrote:

Ok u cant understand what i explain, i understand very well that, no problem... so i give up. Anyway Herlings victory is a fake news, overated...

Ok u cant understand what i explain, i understand very well that, no problem... so i give up.

Anyway Herlings victory is a fake news, overated victory for so many reasons.

Rockinar wrote:

I predict Tomac wads himself up chasing JH at the GP if he gets in a battle with him.

HenryA wrote:

You know that you're on Vital when someone writes that Herlings win is fake news

cable wrote:

suspension looked quite a bit softer. same as mxdn. US bikes don't look to handle as good, set up stiff. His bike actually looked like it...

suspension looked quite a bit softer. same as mxdn. US bikes don't look to handle as good, set up stiff.
His bike actually looked like it was squatting. when is the last time you seen that in the USA?

philG wrote:

You cannot judge Herlings riding at all until you have stood trackside and watched him, because the laptimes come from things you dont appreciate until you...

You cannot judge Herlings riding at all until you have stood trackside and watched him, because the laptimes come from things you dont appreciate until you watch everyone else do the same part of the track. It does not come across on TV at all.

Rowlands wrote:

Agreed. WCrider that guy riding the #41 is Pauls Jonass not Herlings. Everts and Tomac's style couldn't be any more different although both very spectacular to...

Agreed.

WCrider that guy riding the #41 is Pauls Jonass not Herlings. Everts and Tomac's style couldn't be any more different although both very spectacular to watch. I don't know what your trying to get at comparing Herlings with everyone. The top guys are all on a very similar level so let's all just enjoy them battling it out for our entertainment.

Rockinar wrote:

I predict Tomac wads himself up chasing JH at the GP if he gets in a battle with him.

motomike137 wrote:

He might but I'll bet he let's it all hang out Sunday. It is cool because the MXGP title is basically over and everyone can just...

He might but I'll bet he let's it all hang out Sunday. It is cool because the MXGP title is basically over and everyone can just put the hammer down without worry. Wish I was going to be there.

Robgvx wrote:

Personally I think that stiff suspension 'because you're fast' is stupid, and even the pros fall into the same trap. I've tested factory bikes that had...

Personally I think that stiff suspension 'because you're fast' is stupid, and even the pros fall into the same trap. I've tested factory bikes that had worse suspension than stock. In fact, I tested a Jan de Groot factory Kawasaki once, and afterwards I rode a beat-up Suzuki that some novice guy wanted me to try and the suspension was way better!

I don't care how fast you are, small bumps are still small bumps, and if the tyre doesn't maintain contact with the ground, even by half an inch in a corner, you have no traction and your tyres won't hold a line. In fact, if you're hitting those small bumps faster there's even an argument for needing suspension even softer to get the tyres to follow the ground.

Set up your bike for the hundreds of smaller bumps per lap rather than the one big jump.

Supple, compliant suspension gives you grip everywhere and allows you to go faster. Rigid suspension that means you don't bottom on the one biggest hit on the track makes you slower everywhere else.

If you're interested in an American's opinion of a GP factory bike read this:

https://motocrossactionmag.com/we-ride-romain-febvres-mxdn-winning-yama…

Robgvx wrote:

Personally I think that stiff suspension 'because you're fast' is stupid, and even the pros fall into the same trap. I've tested factory bikes that had...

Personally I think that stiff suspension 'because you're fast' is stupid, and even the pros fall into the same trap. I've tested factory bikes that had worse suspension than stock. In fact, I tested a Jan de Groot factory Kawasaki once, and afterwards I rode a beat-up Suzuki that some novice guy wanted me to try and the suspension was way better!

I don't care how fast you are, small bumps are still small bumps, and if the tyre doesn't maintain contact with the ground, even by half an inch in a corner, you have no traction and your tyres won't hold a line. In fact, if you're hitting those small bumps faster there's even an argument for needing suspension even softer to get the tyres to follow the ground.

Set up your bike for the hundreds of smaller bumps per lap rather than the one big jump.

Supple, compliant suspension gives you grip everywhere and allows you to go faster. Rigid suspension that means you don't bottom on the one biggest hit on the track makes you slower everywhere else.

If you're interested in an American's opinion of a GP factory bike read this:

https://motocrossactionmag.com/we-ride-romain-febvres-mxdn-winning-yama…

Zycki11 wrote:

The faster you go, the more you push the suspension. While the best up Suzuki felt better to you, for a factory rider it would just...

The faster you go, the more you push the suspension. While the best up Suzuki felt better to you, for a factory rider it would just blow through the stroke and be useless because they attack much harder and push the bike more. Even if you are fast, they have a purpose behind the setup that works for them as a individual.

rompin87 wrote:

There you go robgvx, maybe if you had this advice earlier on in your career who knows where you would have landed? Factory kawasaki maybe?

Zycki11 wrote:

The faster you go, the more you push the suspension. While the best up Suzuki felt better to you, for a factory rider it would just...

The faster you go, the more you push the suspension. While the best up Suzuki felt better to you, for a factory rider it would just blow through the stroke and be useless because they attack much harder and push the bike more. Even if you are fast, they have a purpose behind the setup that works for them as a individual.