Tomac Says No to Des Nations

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Shaned9326 8/5/2017 8:43pm
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Hell, maybe if we break some kind of vital thread record on this post he will maybe see and reconsider? Mx fans have spoken and looks like we have many, many that thinks mr. Tomac needs to suit up and forget about that stupid ass monster cup!! Aside from money which could be won at mec, he would rule the mx world with a good showing at mxdn this year on their soil!! Anyway just rambling and still hoping the man changes his mind and races!!
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F.B 8/5/2017 8:45pm
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akillerwombat wrote:
It's the same thing... two groups of riders (or men) at or near the pinnacle of their sport (riding dirt bikes & fighting) specialized in two...
It's the same thing... two groups of riders (or men) at or near the pinnacle of their sport (riding dirt bikes & fighting) specialized in two different styles of riding (MX & GP / boxing & mma) coming together for a one off event where really anything "could" happen (the fastest guy could have an off day & someone could get caught) while they rep their countries (USA vs the world** / USA vs Ireland) and a few organizations stand to make a shit ton of money off it (the fighters do as well).

Don't get me wrong I love watching the guys come together for the MXDN, love rooting for the USA, and always stoked to watch Cairoli destroy a track but at the end of the day we're all going to admit we respect both MX & GP riders for putting on a good fight (if they do) and then we're going to straight back to bickering about how "if it was at a national track instead of a GP one" and "how if it was an MMA fight instead of a boxing one". I don't want to take anything away from the passion these guys put in when they go over there but the event has changed... it's aged. Riders get hurt more often now (at least state side). Schedules are gnarlier. Burn out is way more common in this sport now than it was 10 years ago. If we want to get back to making this event feel as important as it should be we have to not make it feel like it's just thrown in with all of the other events. The fact that it's right before MEC is insane for the top USA riders as now their risk vs reward just added $1,000,000 to it. I know I can only speak on behalf of myself but if I was pretty much 1 of 3 guys that could realistically win that $1,000,000 (+ non-race revenue) I would have some hesitation on going. Given that Monster is Tomac's main sponsor I have an extremely hard time that they would let him go as not only are they his title sponsor, he won it last year, and it's their event. The amount of advertising he is going to be pumped into for that event is going to be insane.


Sorry for the rant; I just miss the feeling of the old MXDN's.



** I know there are several fast teams outside of the USA that are more than capable of winning (and have done so in the last several years) but ever since the RC, Stewart, Villo era it's felt very much USA vs everyone else... although it has faded a bit since the Germans took it.
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It's really not. Mayweather is 40 years old and is almost 10 years past his prime. Boxing and MMA are two different sports. AMA and GP...
It's really not.

Mayweather is 40 years old and is almost 10 years past his prime.
Boxing and MMA are two different sports.
AMA and GP are not two different styles of riding.
It's not a USA vs Ireland fight, it's a boxing vs MMA fight.
It may feel like that to you, but the MXDN is not a USA vs the world race.
The MXDN is an historical event were riders from all over the world race to represent their country. That fight is a farce, a freak show.
jorgechavez wrote:
I'd bet most European MX fans that aren't French probably have no idea who won the MXdN last year, but they could probably tell you exactly...
I'd bet most European MX fans that aren't French probably have no idea who won the MXdN last year, but they could probably tell you exactly what happened to team USA.
You'd bet on that? Based on?
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It's really not. Mayweather is 40 years old and is almost 10 years past his prime. Boxing and MMA are two different sports. AMA and GP...
It's really not.

Mayweather is 40 years old and is almost 10 years past his prime.
Boxing and MMA are two different sports.
AMA and GP are not two different styles of riding.
It's not a USA vs Ireland fight, it's a boxing vs MMA fight.
It may feel like that to you, but the MXDN is not a USA vs the world race.
The MXDN is an historical event were riders from all over the world race to represent their country. That fight is a farce, a freak show.
You're right - boxing and MMA have nothing in common... except for the jabs, the hooks, the over hands, the straights, etc. for sure no overlap in that vendiagram.

AMA and GP aren't two different styles of riding, really? I suppose that's why we see so many champions in one series go over to the other and bang out a championship their first go. They all require time to adjust to the different style of tracks.

When I stop seeing Ireland flags flying behind Conor and Mayweather rocking Red, white, and blue I'll agree with you because they sure as shit play up their patriotism.

And lastly, it might not always be "USA vs the world" for the win when it comes to MXDN but without a doubt everyone is passionate about seeing how they stack up against American riders.

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People complaining about dates need to do research but IMO the real problem is since 2000 and assuming its in GB this year will be the...
People complaining about dates need to do research but IMO the real problem is since 2000 and assuming its in GB this year will be the fact that 7 of the last 18 MxDNs have been in France and England. Add Belgium to the list and it's 10 out of the last 18 in three countries, pathetic. The world is a big place unless your talking about the MXDN only twice in the last 18 years have they left Europe. It wasn't that bad before hand, From 1986 thru 99 the MxDN never went to the same country. That's when it was actually a global competition. Now days it's BS the riders are supposed to do it for free while GL makes bank.
Yeah we can agree on that..1992 was a long time ago!
I'd say though the guaranteed massive attendance would be hard to go against haha and I'm not sure there's a heap of places that could deal with a des Nations but that's giving the situation the most credit I can muster haha
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You're right - boxing and MMA have nothing in common... except for the jabs, the hooks, the over hands, the straights, etc. for sure no overlap...
You're right - boxing and MMA have nothing in common... except for the jabs, the hooks, the over hands, the straights, etc. for sure no overlap in that vendiagram.

AMA and GP aren't two different styles of riding, really? I suppose that's why we see so many champions in one series go over to the other and bang out a championship their first go. They all require time to adjust to the different style of tracks.

When I stop seeing Ireland flags flying behind Conor and Mayweather rocking Red, white, and blue I'll agree with you because they sure as shit play up their patriotism.

And lastly, it might not always be "USA vs the world" for the win when it comes to MXDN but without a doubt everyone is passionate about seeing how they stack up against American riders.
You're right - boxing and MMA have nothing in common... except for the jabs, the hooks, the over hands, the straights, etc. for sure no overlap in that vendiagram.

I didn't say boxing and MMA have nothing in common, I said it's two different sports. You can use boxing moves in MMA, amongst hundreds and hundreds of striking and grappling techniques from different martial arts, that's it.

Here's a non exhaustive list of techniques allowed in MMA:

Back Fist
Elbow Strikes
Hammer Fist
Haymaker Punch
Hook Punch
Jab Punch
Knife Hand Strike
Palm Strike or Palm Heel Strike
Slap - Groin Slap, etc.
Straight Punch or Cross Punch, Rear Hand Punch, etc.
Uppercut Punch
Back Hand Strike or Back Hand Slap, Karate's Haishu Uchi, etc.
Bolo Punch
Crane Beak Strike or Crow's Beak Strike, Wood Hand Strike, Fingers Together Strike, etc.
Double Fist Punch - This punch uses both hands to strike the target at the same time.
Eagle Claw
Eagle Strike
Ear Clap or Thunderclap Strike, Thunder Palm Fist, etc.
Extended Index Knuckle Punch or Ippon Ken, Shark Tooth Punch, Pistol Poke, etc.
Eye Rake or Eye Scratch
Eye Strike or Eye Jab
Finger Pokes or Scissor Finger Strike
Two Finger Poke
Four Finger Poke
Spear Finger Strike - This is also known as Saber Hand Strike or Reinforced Finger Poke.
Leopard Punch or Half Fist Punch, Knuckle Edge Punch, Half-Clenched Fist Punch, etc. - Used to target narrow areas.
Liver Punch
Mouth of Hand Strike
One Inch Punch - This punch popularized by Bruce Lee is also known as the Wing Chun One Inch Punch.
One Knuckle Punch or Extended Middle Knuckle Punch, Nakadaka Ken, etc.
Overhand Punch
Rabbit Punch
Ridge Hand Strike - A reverse knife hand strike.
Sambo Casting Punch or Casting Punch
Spear Finger Strike - This is also known as Saber Hand Strike or Reinforced Finger Poke.
Spear Hand
Spinning Back Fist
Superman Punch
Thumb Strike
Tiger Claw or Throat Strike
Vertical Punch or Vertical Fist Punch
Wing Chun Double Punch
Karate Elbow Strikes
Karate Hand Strikes
Karate Punches
Krav Maga Punches & Strikes
Kung Fu Punches
Muay Thai Elbow Strikes
Taekwondo Punches
Axe Kick - Traditional rear leg axe kick.
Front Leg Axe Kick
Back Kick
Butterfly Kick
Butterfly Twist Kick - A more advanced version of the Butterfly Kick.
Calf Kick
Cartwheel Kick
Crescent Kick
Inside Crescent Kick
Outside Crescent Kick
Cut Kick
Double Front Kick or Jumping Double Front Kick
Double Roundhouse Kick or Jumping Double Roundhouse Kick
Downward Roundhouse Kick or "Brazilian Kick"
Foot Sweep Kick - Karate's Ashi Barai
Flying Back Kick
Flying Drop Kick
Flying Front Kick
Flying Side Kick
Front Kick
Front Kick - Ball of Foot - Hit target with ball of foot.
Front Kick - Instep - Hit target with instep of foot.
Heel Kick Lead Leg, Turning and Spinning
Hook Kick or Whip Kick
Inverted Roundhouse Kick
Jumping Axe Kick
Jumping Back Kick
Jumping Front Kick or Flying Front Kick
Jumping Roundhouse Kick
Jumping Side Kick or Flying Side Kick
Jumping Spinning Axe Kick or Tornado Axe Kick
Jumping Spinning Crescent Kick
Jumping Spinning Hook Kick or Jumping Reverse Hook Kick
Knee Joint Kick - Karate's Kansetsu Geri
Kyokushin Wheel Kick
Low Kicks - List of kicks commonly used to strike targets below the waist.
Oblique Kick or Scoop Kick
Push Kick or Front Thrust Kick
Roll Kicks or Rolling Kicks
Cartwheel Kick
Forward Roll Kick or Forward Falling Kick
Side Roll Kick or Side Falling Kick, Kyokushin Wheel Kick, etc.
Roundhouse Kick or Round Kick
Roundhouse Kick - Front Leg
Roundhouse Kick - Rear Leg
Scissor Kick
Scoop Kick
Scorpion Kick
Shin Kick or "Muay Thai Kick"
Shin Kick (Hapkido)
Side Kick
Side Kick - Front Leg
Side Kick - Rear Leg
Skipping Axe Kick or Hopping Axe Kick, Sliding Axe Kick, etc.
Skipping Crescent Kick or Hopping Crescent Kick, Sliding Crescent Kick, etc.
Skipping Front Kick or Hopping Front Kick, Sliding Front Kick, etc.
Skipping Roundhouse Kick or Hopping Roundhouse Kick, Sliding Roundhouse Kick, etc.
Skipping Side Kick or Step Behind Side Kick, Hopping Side Kick, Sliding Side Kick, etc.
Slap Kick
Spinning Axe Kick
Spinning Back Kick
Spinning Crescent Kick
Spinning Heel Kick or Spinning Sweep Kick
Spinning Hook Kick or Spinning Whip Kick, Reverse Roundhouse Kick, Reverse Hook Kick, etc.
Spinning Roundhouse Kick or Turning Roundhouse Kick
Spinning Side Kick or Reverse Side Kick
Stomp Kick - Karate's Fumikomi
Vertical Stomp Kick
Stop Kick
Stretch Kick
Sweep Kick (Forward Foot)
Sweep Kick (Low Heel) or Low Spinning Heel Kick
Switch Kick
Toe Kick or Karate's Tsumasaki Geri
Tornado Kick or Jumping Spinning Roundhouse Kick, 360 Roundhouse Kick
Tornado Axe Kick
Twisting Kick or Twist Kick
Upkick
Uppercut Back Kick
540 Roundhouse Kick
540 Spinning Hook Kick
Kicks from the Ground - If you have been knocked to the ground & must defend yourself with a kick.
Front Kick from the Ground
Roundhouse Kick from the Ground
Defense Against A Leg Grab While On Ground - Hook or Heel Kick
Defense Against A Leg Grab While On Ground - Roundhouse Kick
Side Kick from the Ground
Martial Arts Kicks by Martial Arts Style
Eskrima Kicks
Hapkido Kicks
Karate Kicks
Muay Thai Kicks & Knee Strikes
Diagonal Elbow Strike - This is a diagonal version of the front elbow strike.
Downward Elbow Strike
Front Elbow Strike or Forward Elbow Strike, Forward Horizontal Elbow Strike, Round Elbow Strike, etc.
Front Elbow Thrust or Thrusting Elbow Strike
Jumping Downward Elbow Strike
Rear Elbow Strike or Back Elbow Strike, Reverse Elbow Strike, etc.
Side Elbow Strike
Spinning Back Elbow Strike or Spinning Rear Elbow Strike, Spinning Elbow, etc.
Superman Elbow Strike
Uppercut Elbow Strike
Other lesser utilized elbow strikes include the Jumping Double Downward Elbow Strike, Double Side Elbow Strike, etc.
Elbow Strike Techniques by Martial Arts Style - Instructions & videos
Karate Elbow Strikes
Krav Maga Elbow Strikes
Muay Thai Elbow Strikes
Elbow Strike - Positives
Elbow Strike - Negatives
Groin Kick
Low Kicks - These are kicks aimed at targets below the waist.
Misc. Kicking-Related Techniques & Exercises
Leg Grab Counter with Armbar - What to do if someone has captured your leg during a kick.
How To Catch A Push Kick
How To Catch A Roundhouse Kick
Preparing your foot to adapt to a target
Diagonal Knee Strike
Flying Knee Strike
Front Knee Strike - The front knee strike is also known as a vertical knee strike.
Jumping Knee Strike
Knee Bomb - The knee bomb is a well known Muay Thai technique.
Knee Drop
Knee Thrust
Round Knee Strike
Americana Armlock - Americana Keylock
Americana Armlock Escapes - Americana Keylock escapes
Anaconda Choke
Anaconda Choke Escapes - Anaconda Choke defense or counter
Ankle Lock - Achilles Lock or Foot Lock
Ankle Lock Counter - Achilles Lock counter or Foot Lock counter
Armbar From Guard
Armbar From The Mounted Position - Armbar from mount
Armbar From Side Control
Armbar Defense - Armbar defenses or Armbar escapes
Arm Triangle
Armless Triangle
Banana Split
Bicep Slicer or Bicep Crusher
Brabo Choke or D'Arce Choke
Brabo Choke Escapes
Butterfly Guard
Butterfly Guard Counter
Butterfly Sweep
Calf Crusher or Calf Slicer
Clock Choke
Clock Choke Escapes
Cobra Choke
Crucifix Choke
D'Arce Choke or Brabo Choke
Double Ankle Grab Sweep - Double Ankle Sweep
Double Ankle Sweep Counter - Counter to the Double Ankle Sweep
Double Leg & Single Leg Takedown
Elbow Crank
Elbow Escape From Mount
Elevator Sweep
Electric Chair
Ezekiel Choke
Ezekiel Choke Defense
Flying Armbar
Flying Scissors or Scissors Throw
Flying Triangle Choke
Gogoplata
Granby Roll
Guillotine Choke
Guillotine Choke Escapes - Defenses against the Guillotine Choke
Half Nelson
Hammerlock
Handstand Sweep
Headlocks
Headlock Escapes
Heel Hook
Heel Hook Escapes
Helicopter Armbar
Hip Crank
Hip Throw
Hook Sweep
Kimura From The Guard
Kimura From The Side Mount
Kimura Defense
Knee Bar From Closed Guard Position
Knee Bar from Side Control
Knee Bar Defense
Knee On Belly Escape - Knee on stomach escape
Leg Ride
Macarrao Sweep - Another overhead sweep technique
Neck Crank
North South Choke
North South Escapes - A variety of north south escapes
Omoplata Shoulder Lock
Overhead Sweep
Passing The Half Guard
Peruvian Necktie
Push Sweep - Push kick sweep
Quad Crush
Rear Mount
Rear Mount Escapes
Rear Naked Choke
Rear Naked Choke Escapes
Rear Takedown
Reverse Armbar From Mount
Rolling Armbar
Rolling Knee Bar
Rubber Guard
Sambo Knee Bar
Sambo Leg Lock
Scarf Hold
Scarf Hold Escapes
Scissors Sweep
Sickle Sweep
Side Control Escapes
Single Leg Takedown
Sleeve Choke
Sleeve Choke Escapes
Spider Guard
Spider Guard Sweeps
Sprawl
Standing Elbow Crank
Standing Guard Pass
Suplex
10 Finger Choke or Ten finger guillotine
The Three Fundamentals of Takedown
Toe Hold
Toe Hold Escapes
Triangle Choke
Triangle Choke Escapes
Triangle Choke Escape From Guard
Trunk Strangle or Trunk Squeeze
Turtle Attacks
Turtle Escapes
Turtle Guard or Turtle position
Twister
X-Guard
X-Guard Sweeps
High Block
Inside Block
Knife Hand Block
Low Block
Outside Block
Palm Block
Leg Blocks
Muay Thai Shin Block - Muay Thai Shin or Leg Block
Stop Kick or Foot Block
Taekwondo Kicking Block
Advanced Arm & Hand Blocks
X Block
Double High Block
Double Low Block
Taekwondo Sparring Clinch
Double Outside Block
Mountain Block - This blocking technique is used in many Taekwondo forms & patterns.
Reinforced Block -This technique is also known as an Assisted Block, Supporting Block, Augmented Block, etc.
Scissors Block
Blocking Techniques for Sparring
Micro Blocking
Related-Defensive Techniques
Bob and Weave - A boxing technique used by many martial arts styles in order to avoid a punch versus block a punch.
Covering Up - This boxing & martial arts technique is used to block strikes to the head and upper body.
Rope A Dope - A boxing technique used to tire out an opponent before launching an aggressive counter attack.
Slipping - A boxing technique where a martial artist moves the head to avoid a punch.
Shoulder Roll - This boxing defensive technique that uses a shoulder to deflect an incoming punch.
Trapping - Techniques that block & trap an opponent's attack.
Mantis Claw
American Kenpo Blocking
American Kenpo Blocking
Karate Blocks
Taekwondo Blocks

AMA and GP aren't two different styles of riding, really? I suppose that's why we see so many champions in one series go over to the other and bang out a championship their first go. They all require time to adjust to the different style of tracks.

No, it's called Motocross. The tracks / track prep are a little different and like you say adjusting may take a few races but saying it's a different style of racing is not true.

When I stop seeing Ireland flags flying behind Conor and Mayweather rocking Red, white, and blue I'll agree with you because they sure as shit play up their patriotism.

Yeah...the famous USA vs Ireland rivalry is the reason behind this fight. Dry

And lastly, it might not always be "USA vs the world" for the win when it comes to MXDN but without a doubt everyone is passionate about seeing how they stack up against American riders.

I can't disagree on that. That's true.
But obviously the MXDN is much more than that.
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jorgechavez wrote:
I'd bet most European MX fans that aren't French probably have no idea who won the MXdN last year, but they could probably tell you exactly...
I'd bet most European MX fans that aren't French probably have no idea who won the MXdN last year, but they could probably tell you exactly what happened to team USA.
Thats the stupidest thing ive heard in awhile.
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jorgechavez wrote:
I'd bet most European MX fans that aren't French probably have no idea who won the MXdN last year, but they could probably tell you exactly...
I'd bet most European MX fans that aren't French probably have no idea who won the MXdN last year, but they could probably tell you exactly what happened to team USA.
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Thats the stupidest thing ive heard in awhile.
Yes, it really ranks up there in Vitardism.

Most European MX fans are nothing like the average, lowest common denominator sports fans, or the majority of those that go to SX / Monster Trucks etc.

Knowledgeable, enthusiastic, and supportive of all the riders out on the track. And their support of / respect towards US Teams at the MXDN is phenomenal.
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I'd bet most European MX fans that aren't French probably have no idea who won the MXdN last year, but they could probably tell you exactly...
I'd bet most European MX fans that aren't French probably have no idea who won the MXdN last year, but they could probably tell you exactly what happened to team USA.
You'd have to be an American living in Canada? Surely?
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It is unfortunate but understandable, especially considering his heavy season and current goal (1st SX championship in 450)

As many said, some issues can be addressed too:
1. Calendar (1 month after last nationals)
2. Money (big fee to organize, big attendance, ridiculous payout % for the riders. Time to stop paying riders in pea nuts)
motonation24 8/6/2017 2:41am
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Just wanna keep this thread going..
I believe Tomac could have a break from riding and still show up in England and lead USA to victory..
He can back his program down a notch. He needs a MXDN win at some point.. may as well be now
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Ok so I understand the reason why he is not going BUT I always view 'mericans as very patriotic and this is just another way to show others who is best.

The one thing is it's a short career he is in and this is an opportunity for something to look back on in years to come with kids/ grandkids to say 'that year I crashed in Germany but went back to England and showed them' - special memories don't come along very often, trust me I'm an auld guy
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jorgechavez wrote:
I'd bet most European MX fans that aren't French probably have no idea who won the MXdN last year, but they could probably tell you exactly...
I'd bet most European MX fans that aren't French probably have no idea who won the MXdN last year, but they could probably tell you exactly what happened to team USA.
Sideways wrote:
Thats the stupidest thing ive heard in awhile.
yeah , what a comment ..haha shows the ignorance of some fanboys ... unreal , he has no clue
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For those interested, here is the offical announcement video from Tomac where he talks about his reasons for not going: [url=https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ]https://m.youtube.com/watch?tomac-mxdn-officialodQw4w9WgXcQvin[/url]
For those interested, here is the offical announcement video from Tomac where he talks about his reasons for not going:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?tomac-mxdn-officialodQw4w9WgXcQvin
Funny as hell right there!!! Got me on that and made me laugh to boot
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mattseaton90 8/6/2017 7:17am
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What a great read this thread has been.

I'm just going to leave this link here as an apt reminder of the fantastically measured American mindset.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXayFF1FFlX/

You cannot reason with people this dense, so don't bother. Just let them paint themselves in their gaudy flags and drink Bud Light, like they were born to do.

For the best riders on planet Earth, they are seriously precious / petulant about the conditions that need to be met for them to turn up, which is pretty interesting. I guess that's largely on account of the USA being the centre of the known Universe.
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mattseaton90 wrote:
What a great read this thread has been. I'm just going to leave this link here as an apt reminder of the fantastically measured American mindset...
What a great read this thread has been.

I'm just going to leave this link here as an apt reminder of the fantastically measured American mindset.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXayFF1FFlX/

You cannot reason with people this dense, so don't bother. Just let them paint themselves in their gaudy flags and drink Bud Light, like they were born to do.

For the best riders on planet Earth, they are seriously precious / petulant about the conditions that need to be met for them to turn up, which is pretty interesting. I guess that's largely on account of the USA being the centre of the known Universe.
Oh we got an America basher here, watch out!
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shuggs wrote:
Ok so I understand the reason why he is not going BUT I always view 'mericans as very patriotic and this is just another way to...
Ok so I understand the reason why he is not going BUT I always view 'mericans as very patriotic and this is just another way to show others who is best.

The one thing is it's a short career he is in and this is an opportunity for something to look back on in years to come with kids/ grandkids to say 'that year I crashed in Germany but went back to England and showed them' - special memories don't come along very often, trust me I'm an auld guy
Just maybe his dreams are not the same as yours?
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Guys these pics are insane!! Keep em coming and maybe Eli will say fuck it and line up!
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shuggs wrote:
Ok so I understand the reason why he is not going BUT I always view 'mericans as very patriotic and this is just another way to...
Ok so I understand the reason why he is not going BUT I always view 'mericans as very patriotic and this is just another way to show others who is best.

The one thing is it's a short career he is in and this is an opportunity for something to look back on in years to come with kids/ grandkids to say 'that year I crashed in Germany but went back to England and showed them' - special memories don't come along very often, trust me I'm an auld guy
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Just maybe his dreams are not the same as yours?
Wonder what his dreams are???
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captmoto 8/6/2017 12:42pm
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Are we still not over this?
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8/6/2017 1:12pm
jorgechavez wrote:
I'd bet most European MX fans that aren't French probably have no idea who won the MXdN last year, but they could probably tell you exactly...
I'd bet most European MX fans that aren't French probably have no idea who won the MXdN last year, but they could probably tell you exactly what happened to team USA.
Sideways wrote:
Thats the stupidest thing ive heard in awhile.
Yeah I'd say it's right up there with you saying Musquin wouldn't even make the French team LMAO
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cbuehler767 8/6/2017 3:37pm
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jorgechavez wrote:
Yeah I'd say it's right up there with you saying Musquin wouldn't even make the French team LMAO
HA! Fucking owned. Nicely done
loop out Larry 8/6/2017 4:24pm
8/6/2017 4:24pm
mattseaton90 wrote:
What a great read this thread has been. I'm just going to leave this link here as an apt reminder of the fantastically measured American mindset...
What a great read this thread has been.

I'm just going to leave this link here as an apt reminder of the fantastically measured American mindset.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXayFF1FFlX/

You cannot reason with people this dense, so don't bother. Just let them paint themselves in their gaudy flags and drink Bud Light, like they were born to do.

For the best riders on planet Earth, they are seriously precious / petulant about the conditions that need to be met for them to turn up, which is pretty interesting. I guess that's largely on account of the USA being the centre of the known Universe.


loop out Larry 8/6/2017 4:34pm
8/6/2017 4:34pm Edited Date/Time 8/6/2017 4:51pm
mattseaton90 wrote:
What a great read this thread has been. I'm just going to leave this link here as an apt reminder of the fantastically measured American mindset...
What a great read this thread has been.

I'm just going to leave this link here as an apt reminder of the fantastically measured American mindset.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXayFF1FFlX/

You cannot reason with people this dense, so don't bother. Just let them paint themselves in their gaudy flags and drink Bud Light, like they were born to do.

For the best riders on planet Earth, they are seriously precious / petulant about the conditions that need to be met for them to turn up, which is pretty interesting. I guess that's largely on account of the USA being the centre of the known Universe.
loop out Larry wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/06/208493/s1200_images_8.jpg[/img]


Fuck you edit to add exclamation - !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!##!#
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ruy 8/6/2017 4:50pm
8/6/2017 4:50pm Edited Date/Time 8/6/2017 5:03pm


Yes!



But lost, in the nations 1978 won the Soviet team with Moiseev!!



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ruy 8/6/2017 5:01pm
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Also lost in 1976


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