R.I.P. Isle of Man Riders

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6/9/2017 11:16am Edited Date/Time 6/9/2017 12:05pm
Here's a short video showing 2 young Irish blokes journey towards the 2017 TT : https://nyti.ms/2sUBpiT

One's Granny says something that I guess a few here might disagree with. For those that don't watch it, or can't understand an Irish brogue, or read captions, she basically says she can't and wouldn't stop him from pursuing his dream.

There's also on the New York Times site a good video featuring 'Milky' Quayle - a former racer and now an integral part of 'Newcomers' introduction to the TT. It follows on after the above video: https://nyti.ms/2rX4X2n
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Bearuno wrote:
Here's a short video showing 2 young Irish blokes journey towards the 2017 TT : https://nyti.ms/2sUBpiT One's Granny says something that I guess a few here...
Here's a short video showing 2 young Irish blokes journey towards the 2017 TT : https://nyti.ms/2sUBpiT

One's Granny says something that I guess a few here might disagree with. For those that don't watch it, or can't understand an Irish brogue, or read captions, she basically says she can't and wouldn't stop him from pursuing his dream.

There's also on the New York Times site a good video featuring 'Milky' Quayle - a former racer and now an integral part of 'Newcomers' introduction to the TT. It follows on after the above video: https://nyti.ms/2rX4X2n
That video was really cool, thanks for sharing it!
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6/9/2017 11:43am
My friend. Do you realise that some ppl don't see, feel or fear danger? Grown up or not, some ppl need someone else to brake for them. And providing them a race like this is irrisponsable! Thats my opinion.
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6/9/2017 11:53am
Ian Hutchinson crashes in Senior TT on lap 2 sustained a broken femorl, which brought out a full course red flag.
The race was re run over 4 laps and won by ___________.
Wont spoil it for guys waiting to watch coverage later.

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6/9/2017 12:06pm
You can't just turn up with a race license and ride round.

There are a number of stages you have to complete before being able to race the TT.

There is another even later in the year for those not as experienced. To get in the main race for this you need to have done a lap with an average of 100mph.

This is a mate of mine, having his MANX day ended early with brain fade. He said the concentration for a beginner is so hard.



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6/9/2017 12:22pm
It's definitely sad that this many people have died in the race and die every year, Rest In Peace to them, but that is what makes the race so legendary and epic. The risk is what makes it so amazing to see these guys do what they do. They obviously love what they are doing, and are grown men aware of the risks. As long as no one is forcing them to do this, I see no problem with it. Just grown men doing what they like to do.
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6/9/2017 3:46pm Edited Date/Time 6/9/2017 3:47pm
I spent over a decade dragging knees and hauling some serious ass on sport bikes on public streets and I started to dream of doing this event and feeling as if I could compete well. I road-raced a bit as well and won my races easily but was quite bored by the same 8 turns honestly and just enjoyed street riding more. The variety, and I became very good at memorizing 100s of turns and riding at a high level and reading the turns.

Thankfully I grew out of my death wish at around 34 and soon after I began MXing (not nearly as good at actually). It's hard to explain but you just get very comfortable taking unnecessary risks. Day after day.

I have to admit, I don't think they should hold this event, at least not timed.

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The pace was fierce today, escpecially in the senior re run! Some great racing, I felt sick when I heart hutchy not appeared at the bungalow which the red flag followed. For a second I did wonder why I follow the TT. I'm so relived he's relatively ok. The mans a legend!
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6/9/2017 4:02pm Edited Date/Time 6/9/2017 4:03pm
Suns_PSD wrote:
I spent over a decade dragging knees and hauling some serious ass on sport bikes on public streets and I started to dream of doing this...
I spent over a decade dragging knees and hauling some serious ass on sport bikes on public streets and I started to dream of doing this event and feeling as if I could compete well. I road-raced a bit as well and won my races easily but was quite bored by the same 8 turns honestly and just enjoyed street riding more. The variety, and I became very good at memorizing 100s of turns and riding at a high level and reading the turns.

Thankfully I grew out of my death wish at around 34 and soon after I began MXing (not nearly as good at actually). It's hard to explain but you just get very comfortable taking unnecessary risks. Day after day.

I have to admit, I don't think they should hold this event, at least not timed.

Why don't you think they should hold this event(timed or not), exactly?
6/9/2017 4:14pm
mxjon454 wrote:
R.I.P to all those fallen riders. Idk how they can keep running this race when people die every year from it
Sideways wrote:
Should we forbid everything that is dangerous? How many have died climbing mountains? Should we ban that also? Maybe we should ban wingsuit jumping aswell! These...
Should we forbid everything that is dangerous? How many have died climbing mountains? Should we ban that also? Maybe we should ban wingsuit jumping aswell!

These guys live for this. They know the risk and are willing to take. I have heard so many interviews with riders saying - "If i die, atleast i die doing what i love."
The government forbid everything in Australia,
Oh, Except rising immigration levels!

The nanny state.
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Sold my Yamaha R1 a few years back because the way I enjoy riding is not conducive to a long life. Can't really explain it, but there is no sense of fear at speed on that type of bike for me. Only enjoyment. Maybe that is how the top mx pros feel on a motocross track. And no, I am NOT a highly skilled road racer. Just feel like maybe I can relate to the way those guys view this race.
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6/12/2017 7:42am
In depth analysis of data and filming has revealed Ian Hutchinson got a front wheel puncture seconds before he lost the front end as shown in above video.
He's broken same leg again, this time a femur whereas before he shattered his tib and fib, which went through months of re construction surgery.
heal up fast Hutchy............................
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My mate Davo Johnson was next through behing Hutchy and hit the Recticel barrier that Hutchy dragged onto the track, he was a lucky lad, it broke something that they needed to weld, before the restart and they only just got it done in time, both lucky boys.
6/12/2017 9:23am
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No one here would say anything to those dudes faces, why?...because they know its none of their business and they also know they would be the...
No one here would say anything to those dudes faces, why?...because they know its none of their business and they also know they would be the ones looking like an idiot for saying it. I think it's crazy, but they have a right to do it, its thier life, kids or no kids. Doesnt matter whether I or anyone else agrees with it. Like someone else said, the freakin nanny state had got to stop, its killing us literaly on many different levels, no matter where you live.
It's crazy how many people I come across that feel this way, but don't identify as Libertarians.
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6/12/2017 10:10am Edited Date/Time 6/12/2017 10:11am
robkinuk wrote:
In depth analysis of data and filming has revealed Ian Hutchinson got a front wheel puncture seconds before he lost the front end as shown in...
In depth analysis of data and filming has revealed Ian Hutchinson got a front wheel puncture seconds before he lost the front end as shown in above video.
He's broken same leg again, this time a femur whereas before he shattered his tib and fib, which went through months of re construction surgery.
heal up fast Hutchy............................
Yes, broke his LH femur. Thank goodness it wasn't the lower leg again.

You'd know, of course Rob, but most here wouldn't : Hutchy broke his Tib and Fib soon after winning 5 races at the 2010TT.

At Silverstone - not a Real Roads circuit.

What ensued for him was 4 (or perhaps 5) years of operations - over 30. At one point they thought things were OK, then he broke his leg again at a Bike Show 100/150cc Flat Track event. I think that's when they discovered the dead bone in his leg, that resulted in many more operations. He now rides with a RH side shift lever, as permanent damage to his LH leg prevents him from shifting on that side.

So, many years and many operations from an accident at what is regarded as one of the safest closed circuit venues there is.

There's both a DVD and a book about his life and struggle through injury : Hutchy - Miracle Man.

He's come back to racing, with multiple race wins again at the Isle. I hope he has no complications with this injury, and has indeed not done more damage to his lower leg.

I don't think I'll ever forget seeing him do a lap of the course with the framework around his leg. I've only had fairly limited 'hardware' poking out through my skin, and just catching it on bed sheets freaked me out.
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Suns_PSD wrote:
I spent over a decade dragging knees and hauling some serious ass on sport bikes on public streets and I started to dream of doing this...
I spent over a decade dragging knees and hauling some serious ass on sport bikes on public streets and I started to dream of doing this event and feeling as if I could compete well. I road-raced a bit as well and won my races easily but was quite bored by the same 8 turns honestly and just enjoyed street riding more. The variety, and I became very good at memorizing 100s of turns and riding at a high level and reading the turns.

Thankfully I grew out of my death wish at around 34 and soon after I began MXing (not nearly as good at actually). It's hard to explain but you just get very comfortable taking unnecessary risks. Day after day.

I have to admit, I don't think they should hold this event, at least not timed.

rancor19 wrote:
Why don't you think they should hold this event(timed or not), exactly?
I do believe in being free to make your own decisions but men can be strange and really take it overboard. I think a certain amount of risk is enjoyable and healthy for the soul. But too much is just death and a burden on society.

Some things are not black/ white. I happen to think weed should be legal, but not heroin for instance. From one point that is inconsistent, until you consider the practical concerns for both drugs.

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Bearuno wrote:
Yes, broke his LH femur. Thank goodness it wasn't the lower leg again. You'd know, of course Rob, but most here wouldn't : Hutchy broke his...
Yes, broke his LH femur. Thank goodness it wasn't the lower leg again.

You'd know, of course Rob, but most here wouldn't : Hutchy broke his Tib and Fib soon after winning 5 races at the 2010TT.

At Silverstone - not a Real Roads circuit.

What ensued for him was 4 (or perhaps 5) years of operations - over 30. At one point they thought things were OK, then he broke his leg again at a Bike Show 100/150cc Flat Track event. I think that's when they discovered the dead bone in his leg, that resulted in many more operations. He now rides with a RH side shift lever, as permanent damage to his LH leg prevents him from shifting on that side.

So, many years and many operations from an accident at what is regarded as one of the safest closed circuit venues there is.

There's both a DVD and a book about his life and struggle through injury : Hutchy - Miracle Man.

He's come back to racing, with multiple race wins again at the Isle. I hope he has no complications with this injury, and has indeed not done more damage to his lower leg.

I don't think I'll ever forget seeing him do a lap of the course with the framework around his leg. I've only had fairly limited 'hardware' poking out through my skin, and just catching it on bed sheets freaked me out.
From last years TT TV-Reports

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Way back in the '70's I rode the track on a borrowed BMW. Scared the shit outta myself. My brothers Hyabusa made me poop myself as well. The real TT racers are motorcycle gods. Dying on the track is not the worst way to exit this life.
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My mate Davo Johnson was next through behing Hutchy and hit the Recticel barrier that Hutchy dragged onto the track, he was a lucky lad, it...
My mate Davo Johnson was next through behing Hutchy and hit the Recticel barrier that Hutchy dragged onto the track, he was a lucky lad, it broke something that they needed to weld, before the restart and they only just got it done in time, both lucky boys.
Was that on the Norton? He and Josh did well. Plus 130mph laps. Fuck that really is moving.
Josh is one of the most humble level headed people out there. Done his racing career the hardway. Knocked down many times but gets up and goes again. The reason, like all true road racers, they LOVE riding bikes.
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6/12/2017 8:44pm
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I spent over a decade dragging knees and hauling some serious ass on sport bikes on public streets and I started to dream of doing this...
I spent over a decade dragging knees and hauling some serious ass on sport bikes on public streets and I started to dream of doing this event and feeling as if I could compete well. I road-raced a bit as well and won my races easily but was quite bored by the same 8 turns honestly and just enjoyed street riding more. The variety, and I became very good at memorizing 100s of turns and riding at a high level and reading the turns.

Thankfully I grew out of my death wish at around 34 and soon after I began MXing (not nearly as good at actually). It's hard to explain but you just get very comfortable taking unnecessary risks. Day after day.

I have to admit, I don't think they should hold this event, at least not timed.

rancor19 wrote:
Why don't you think they should hold this event(timed or not), exactly?
Suns_PSD wrote:
I do believe in being free to make your own decisions but men can be strange and really take it overboard. I think a certain amount...
I do believe in being free to make your own decisions but men can be strange and really take it overboard. I think a certain amount of risk is enjoyable and healthy for the soul. But too much is just death and a burden on society.

Some things are not black/ white. I happen to think weed should be legal, but not heroin for instance. From one point that is inconsistent, until you consider the practical concerns for both drugs.

Not even gonna get into the whole drug argument......but I will say I know exactly what you're saying about terrorizing the streets on a rocket. I actually turned 34 this year and I will admit that I get nervous the second I get on a 1000cc sport bike.....just because I spent years getting so comfortable with the risk that came with banging through traffic at 160 that I no longer felt I had control over my throttle hand. Theres something about being able to skate that close to imminent death that just shoots adrenaline into the veins like nothing else on this planet can. With that being said, I'm on the other side of the fence.....I say if guys wanna accept that risk, then they are grown men and can make those decisions. I have plenty of buddies who have lived the same kind of reckless lifestyles and I'll say, you either give them some sort of extreme sport as an outlet or many of them will find that high somewhere else, and sometimes that alternative is even more destructive. The event is risky and the death toll does seem nearly unacceptable by todays standards, but many of these guys live for the challenge, and I believe they would be the first ones stepping up and fighting for the chance to go out and do this. Anyway.....glad to hear you found a way to slow down....its seems that early 30's window is where you really start thinking more about the decisions you make. I never thought I'd see 25......once I hit 30 I thought, damn....maybe I should consider preserving the little bit of health I have left in case I actually see 50....or God forbid 60!
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6/12/2017 9:15pm Edited Date/Time 6/12/2017 9:16pm
robkinuk wrote:
In depth analysis of data and filming has revealed Ian Hutchinson got a front wheel puncture seconds before he lost the front end as shown in...
In depth analysis of data and filming has revealed Ian Hutchinson got a front wheel puncture seconds before he lost the front end as shown in above video.
He's broken same leg again, this time a femur whereas before he shattered his tib and fib, which went through months of re construction surgery.
heal up fast Hutchy............................
Bearuno wrote:
Yes, broke his LH femur. Thank goodness it wasn't the lower leg again. You'd know, of course Rob, but most here wouldn't : Hutchy broke his...
Yes, broke his LH femur. Thank goodness it wasn't the lower leg again.

You'd know, of course Rob, but most here wouldn't : Hutchy broke his Tib and Fib soon after winning 5 races at the 2010TT.

At Silverstone - not a Real Roads circuit.

What ensued for him was 4 (or perhaps 5) years of operations - over 30. At one point they thought things were OK, then he broke his leg again at a Bike Show 100/150cc Flat Track event. I think that's when they discovered the dead bone in his leg, that resulted in many more operations. He now rides with a RH side shift lever, as permanent damage to his LH leg prevents him from shifting on that side.

So, many years and many operations from an accident at what is regarded as one of the safest closed circuit venues there is.

There's both a DVD and a book about his life and struggle through injury : Hutchy - Miracle Man.

He's come back to racing, with multiple race wins again at the Isle. I hope he has no complications with this injury, and has indeed not done more damage to his lower leg.

I don't think I'll ever forget seeing him do a lap of the course with the framework around his leg. I've only had fairly limited 'hardware' poking out through my skin, and just catching it on bed sheets freaked me out.
Silverstone is safe but when you have a bunch of other dudes around you and a huge pile up like his accident, things are bound to happen. Am I correct in saying his leg was basically mangled from another rider hitting it as he lay on the ground? I believe that was the cause of the injury and not the actual crash itself. Either way hope he heals up quick and is back at it soon.
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6/12/2017 10:10pm
Suns_PSD wrote:
I do believe in being free to make your own decisions but men can be strange and really take it overboard. I think a certain amount...
I do believe in being free to make your own decisions but men can be strange and really take it overboard. I think a certain amount of risk is enjoyable and healthy for the soul. But too much is just death and a burden on society.

Some things are not black/ white. I happen to think weed should be legal, but not heroin for instance. From one point that is inconsistent, until you consider the practical concerns for both drugs.

One thing to consider is , for those of us that do these kind of sports , we all have different levels of adrenaline. and when it kicks in. There are millions of riders out there ( street and dirt ) and those special breed that " need " to go do this type of racing , is what they crave most.

I know personally , at my age ( 49 years old ) I need that adrenaline rush to make me feel alive. I " need " some of those " Oh shit! " moments. What was really strange for me was , this past summer I went to my 30 year class reunion. Not one person I talked to did anything past maybe going to a gym. Doing any kind of sport where you could possibly hurt yourself.....everyone there thought I was nuts for still doing this sport.

In my mind? That confuses me. Everyone told me that they thought it was awesome I was stiull doing this sport , most didn't believe it.

What I'm trying to say is....we all have different levels. Those guys at the Isle....have any even higher level of " needing the adrenaline rush " then I do. It may look crazy from the outside.....but from in here , it feels perfectly normal.
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Silverstone is safe but when you have a bunch of other dudes around you and a huge pile up like his accident, things are bound to...
Silverstone is safe but when you have a bunch of other dudes around you and a huge pile up like his accident, things are bound to happen. Am I correct in saying his leg was basically mangled from another rider hitting it as he lay on the ground? I believe that was the cause of the injury and not the actual crash itself. Either way hope he heals up quick and is back at it soon.
I made the point about Silverstone being regarded as a 'safe' circuit, due to the way a few here have been going on about the dangers of the IOM.

The fact is, riding / racing is Not safe, and you'll find the majority of non riding public regard Our riding / racing as unnecessary and irresponsible. And, we've had a few here be part of that mindset, while being selective about 'correct' dangers / risks.

Yes - Hutchy got run over by a few bikes, in wet conditions. If he hadn't crashed, he'd not have been run over, so, his crash was a significant part of his horrendous injuries. As was the subsequent simple foot plant / spin out on the minicycle at the (NEC?) Bike show that re-broke his Tib /Fib .

My old Orthopedic Surgeon, who did about 18 of my well over 30 operations (so far) was fond of saying that the human body was barely capable of handling walking speed impacts ( whilst also saying how remarkable it is that it could handle many miles an hour impacts , and other huge impacts), and that when you tripped over, and were able to get up, well, you'd been lucky. He also had no time for his own colleagues that would rail against Motorcycle related injuries, whilst not saying a thing about other sports injuries. A great man, and Superb Surgeon, who I wish I could find the likes of again, for my many more to come surgeries.
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jeffro503 wrote:
One thing to consider is , for those of us that do these kind of sports , we all have different levels of adrenaline. and when...
One thing to consider is , for those of us that do these kind of sports , we all have different levels of adrenaline. and when it kicks in. There are millions of riders out there ( street and dirt ) and those special breed that " need " to go do this type of racing , is what they crave most.

I know personally , at my age ( 49 years old ) I need that adrenaline rush to make me feel alive. I " need " some of those " Oh shit! " moments. What was really strange for me was , this past summer I went to my 30 year class reunion. Not one person I talked to did anything past maybe going to a gym. Doing any kind of sport where you could possibly hurt yourself.....everyone there thought I was nuts for still doing this sport.

In my mind? That confuses me. Everyone told me that they thought it was awesome I was stiull doing this sport , most didn't believe it.

What I'm trying to say is....we all have different levels. Those guys at the Isle....have any even higher level of " needing the adrenaline rush " then I do. It may look crazy from the outside.....but from in here , it feels perfectly normal.
This is it...

I can arrive at work on a Monday morning, 8am, having driven through the night from Germany to get home, or flown if its a long way... I was listening to the 2 guys in the next booth, one saying he had a great weekend because he found some cheap plants at the Garden Centre , and had a really nice cake, the other was saying he managed to walk his dog for 2 hours , and not get rained on... then the subject of TV comes up, and one of them says ' oh I didn't watch it as its on too late when I have to be up for work'... the thing is on 9pm- 10pm .. I was still in Berlin.

These guys are 40 ish and waiting to die.

When folk ask me why is still race , I ask them for a reason I would want to stop?

I don't need to do 180mph on a superbike to feel alive ( although I have on many occasions) but I can get a buzz just pulling on my helmet for a race , before I even get to the gate.

the IOM boys are special , like I say , I have friends who race it , and have lost friends who race on the roads, I wouldn't stop them , or ask why they do it , because I know how it makes them feel,

The guys I feel sorry for are the guys I used to race with , who stopped and went and did normal stuff, because you can see it kills them to not ride any more .

Im helped by the fact that I never got to be that good , but I have always been good enough to keep competitive in my class, and ride all over Europe, so I don't get bored of 30 years hitting the same tracks every week.
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6/13/2017 12:01pm
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This is it... I can arrive at work on a Monday morning, 8am, having driven through the night from Germany to get home, or flown if...
This is it...

I can arrive at work on a Monday morning, 8am, having driven through the night from Germany to get home, or flown if its a long way... I was listening to the 2 guys in the next booth, one saying he had a great weekend because he found some cheap plants at the Garden Centre , and had a really nice cake, the other was saying he managed to walk his dog for 2 hours , and not get rained on... then the subject of TV comes up, and one of them says ' oh I didn't watch it as its on too late when I have to be up for work'... the thing is on 9pm- 10pm .. I was still in Berlin.

These guys are 40 ish and waiting to die.

When folk ask me why is still race , I ask them for a reason I would want to stop?

I don't need to do 180mph on a superbike to feel alive ( although I have on many occasions) but I can get a buzz just pulling on my helmet for a race , before I even get to the gate.

the IOM boys are special , like I say , I have friends who race it , and have lost friends who race on the roads, I wouldn't stop them , or ask why they do it , because I know how it makes them feel,

The guys I feel sorry for are the guys I used to race with , who stopped and went and did normal stuff, because you can see it kills them to not ride any more .

Im helped by the fact that I never got to be that good , but I have always been good enough to keep competitive in my class, and ride all over Europe, so I don't get bored of 30 years hitting the same tracks every week.
Well said!.......
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6/13/2017 1:22pm
philG wrote:
This is it... I can arrive at work on a Monday morning, 8am, having driven through the night from Germany to get home, or flown if...
This is it...

I can arrive at work on a Monday morning, 8am, having driven through the night from Germany to get home, or flown if its a long way... I was listening to the 2 guys in the next booth, one saying he had a great weekend because he found some cheap plants at the Garden Centre , and had a really nice cake, the other was saying he managed to walk his dog for 2 hours , and not get rained on... then the subject of TV comes up, and one of them says ' oh I didn't watch it as its on too late when I have to be up for work'... the thing is on 9pm- 10pm .. I was still in Berlin.

These guys are 40 ish and waiting to die.

When folk ask me why is still race , I ask them for a reason I would want to stop?

I don't need to do 180mph on a superbike to feel alive ( although I have on many occasions) but I can get a buzz just pulling on my helmet for a race , before I even get to the gate.

the IOM boys are special , like I say , I have friends who race it , and have lost friends who race on the roads, I wouldn't stop them , or ask why they do it , because I know how it makes them feel,

The guys I feel sorry for are the guys I used to race with , who stopped and went and did normal stuff, because you can see it kills them to not ride any more .

Im helped by the fact that I never got to be that good , but I have always been good enough to keep competitive in my class, and ride all over Europe, so I don't get bored of 30 years hitting the same tracks every week.
I'd strongly disagree that those guys are just waiting to die. They may be, but from what you've said there's no way to infer that.

I still ride dirt bikes, race yachts across oceans, all sorts of other inadvisable stuff, but I love to garden, cook , and sip a drink and hit the sack early some nights. It's all good and you can't project your likes or dislikes on someone else. That dude might get off on gardening. Sounds dumb if you aren't into it, but doesn't nullify it.

Of the shit that makes me feel alive, going fast on motorized transport is pretty middle of the road tbh.
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Way back in the '70's I rode the track on a borrowed BMW. Scared the shit outta myself. My brothers Hyabusa made me poop myself as...
Way back in the '70's I rode the track on a borrowed BMW. Scared the shit outta myself. My brothers Hyabusa made me poop myself as well. The real TT racers are motorcycle gods. Dying on the track is not the worst way to exit this life.
I understand what you are saying ('dying on the track is not the worst way to exit this life'), and i will for sure not stop anyone to make your own life decisions.

Having said that, my experience is that it's hard to take on that perspective when you stand in line waiting to give your condoleances to the family, wife and kids.

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