Could RD beat Tomac again in 2018?

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I think everybody with any sense would agree that Eli Tomac was the fastest man on the track at most every SX round this year...but Dungey was the smartest. He knew that it was the points that mattered when the music stopped. He knows how to manage a championship...he's proven it 4-times now.

IF Ryan Dungey chooses to race the 2018 year instead of retirement...do you think he can outgun Tomac (and maybe Roczen) for another Championship?

Do you think consistency & experience can beat sheer speed again?
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5/8/2017 8:43am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2017 8:47am
I think he can. The bigger question is can Tomac carry that red plate around all season while Dungey nips at his points lead. No doubt he has him covered in speed. But we saw what happened in New Jersey.
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5/8/2017 8:45am
There's a lot that happens between this May and next May.

Tomac is the favorite right now on pure speed, but you have other young contenders that will be putting in the effort to step up their game next year.

Dungey isn't that far off on pure speed, it's the aggression and laying on the line every lap that was the difference between last year and this years win counts.
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5/8/2017 8:52am
I think he learned a lot this season when it comes to being consistent and risk vs reward. He knows hes way faster than everyone else. If he dialed it back from an 11 to 10 he would he golden. I say he carries that into outdoors.
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5/8/2017 9:07am
Acidreamer wrote:
I think he learned a lot this season when it comes to being consistent and risk vs reward. He knows hes way faster than everyone else...
I think he learned a lot this season when it comes to being consistent and risk vs reward. He knows hes way faster than everyone else. If he dialed it back from an 11 to 10 he would he golden. I say he carries that into outdoors.
I agree 100% people forget how young Eli is. Look at the hole he dug out of, that had to be mentally exhausting in itself. Not to mention there was a lot of hype surrounding the championship battle. I've see a lot more supercross commercials on tv than i ever have and the battle this year was a positive for the future of the sport without a doubt. Not sure if Dungey will be back next yr but Roczen probably will be and the sport needs these top guys healthy to keep growing like it has this year. Look at the tv ratings they have skyrocketed. Eli is being marketed as the future face of the sport and there is pressure that comes with that. I'm sure he at least learned something from this year to apply to the future. I don't think he would have a problem with Dungey next year personally.

I also wonder who many of the Dungey fans pull for after he retires. I don't see them being Roczen fans as he and Dungey are opposites. Maybe Musquin? I always thought Eli would inherit many of the Dungey fans but we will see about that lol.

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5/8/2017 9:21am
biscuit11 wrote:
I agree 100% people forget how young Eli is. Look at the hole he dug out of, that had to be mentally exhausting in itself. Not...
I agree 100% people forget how young Eli is. Look at the hole he dug out of, that had to be mentally exhausting in itself. Not to mention there was a lot of hype surrounding the championship battle. I've see a lot more supercross commercials on tv than i ever have and the battle this year was a positive for the future of the sport without a doubt. Not sure if Dungey will be back next yr but Roczen probably will be and the sport needs these top guys healthy to keep growing like it has this year. Look at the tv ratings they have skyrocketed. Eli is being marketed as the future face of the sport and there is pressure that comes with that. I'm sure he at least learned something from this year to apply to the future. I don't think he would have a problem with Dungey next year personally.

I also wonder who many of the Dungey fans pull for after he retires. I don't see them being Roczen fans as he and Dungey are opposites. Maybe Musquin? I always thought Eli would inherit many of the Dungey fans but we will see about that lol.
I agree with pretty much all your points...and thought about your last question. I'm a big Musquin fan because the guy has such a huge heart & carries himself like Dungey, very humbly & professionally. But, I like Eli too. Youthful exuberance & carries himself well too. Personally, I don't believe Roczen will ever come back at the level he was at pre-accident, if he comes back at all...so I think it'll be a Musquin/Tomac/Anderson war next year if KR bows out & Dungey retires.
5/8/2017 9:22am
My bet would be on Tomac being the future of the sport from here until retirement regardless of who lines up with him. He's learned a lot this year and he finally has that Kawi figured out. I feel sorry for the competition outdoors.
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5/8/2017 9:32am
Dungey wins the chess game.

Tomac wins the raw speed game. Until he augers-in another time.

"In the past 40+ years lots of guys have shown raw speed...but they always crash. Always"
- Bevo Forte. (paraphrased from a recent interview)
5/8/2017 9:37am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2017 9:38am
Tomac wasn't inconsistent this season...
His bike was just bad the first 3 rounds. This won't happen again I guess.
He was already 25 points behind RD after A2.
Had he gone into the season like he rode after Round 3, he would have wrapped this thing up by round 16. Even with his crash in Arlington (which might not even have been his fault, but the fault of a failing front brake).
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5/8/2017 9:39am
If Dungey's in it, he can win it. Historical trends probably indicate that Eli could miss some time next year due to injury. There may be a couple of guys that are faster than Ryan, but he has his long game dialed. SX is, and always will be, a battle of attrition.
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5/8/2017 9:44am
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Tomac wasn't inconsistent this season... His bike was just bad the first 3 rounds. This won't happen again I guess. He was already 25 points behind...
Tomac wasn't inconsistent this season...
His bike was just bad the first 3 rounds. This won't happen again I guess.
He was already 25 points behind RD after A2.
Had he gone into the season like he rode after Round 3, he would have wrapped this thing up by round 16. Even with his crash in Arlington (which might not even have been his fault, but the fault of a failing front brake).
They did not find anything wrong in that front brake.
5/8/2017 9:56am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2017 11:00am
andyman wrote:
They did not find anything wrong in that front brake.
That is the opposite of what I heard, granted I have no inside knowledge but I remember Matthes saying something about it being a team sponsor so they never said anything. I also remember Eli telling people on Instagram that the brake caused him to crash. Whether he was lying or not I'm not sure.

But to answer the OP question I think Dungey definitely can but I don't think he will. At one point in the series he had a 30 point lead and the title ended up being won by 5 points. Obviously Dungey did what he was supposed to do and made it happen when it counted but he still wasn't "himself" all year and allowed Tomac to get that close. Obviously he looks like a genius now but before round 16 there was a lot of talk that he was basically hopeless and couldn't do anything to stop the Tomac train, I don't want to say he got lucky because that is unfair but there is no way letting Eli get a three point was ever in the plan.
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5/8/2017 9:58am
Bultaco wrote:
Dungey wins the chess game. Tomac wins the raw speed game. Until he augers-in another time. [i]"In the past 40+ years lots of guys have shown...
Dungey wins the chess game.

Tomac wins the raw speed game. Until he augers-in another time.

"In the past 40+ years lots of guys have shown raw speed...but they always crash. Always"
- Bevo Forte. (paraphrased from a recent interview)
Tomac has found out twice now that being the fastest guy on the track by 1-5 seconds a lap doesn't win the title. Let's hope he learns from how things went down in the 2017 sx series.

And hell ya, Dungey has the title thing down to a science with some of the best race craft we've ever seen.
5/8/2017 10:04am
Nope. Tomac is on a different level. Dungey simply cannot reach that level..he just doesn't have it. Kind of like Kenny in mx...a level Dungey or Tomac couldn't reach.
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5/8/2017 10:21am
RD didn't beat Tomac. Tomac best himself.
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5/8/2017 10:27am
Sure he could. Something just like this season could play out. Frankly, with a healthy Roczen in the mix, I like Dungey's chances even better. The other two would take points from each other, which could help to level the playing field and turn it into a championship of consistency. Who's the best at that game?
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5/8/2017 10:28am
Yes, RD could win the title in 2018 SX, but it would be just as hard if not harder than this years title. Dungey has been a factor in just about every season hes been in as a pro. Ryan got lucky that Marvin had some bad races and was sick for that stretch in the middle of the season. Things could have been even more interesting if the Baker Tribe turned cannibalistic which could happen this summers mx series or next year.
5/8/2017 10:28am
crusty_xx wrote:
Tomac wasn't inconsistent this season... His bike was just bad the first 3 rounds. This won't happen again I guess. He was already 25 points behind...
Tomac wasn't inconsistent this season...
His bike was just bad the first 3 rounds. This won't happen again I guess.
He was already 25 points behind RD after A2.
Had he gone into the season like he rode after Round 3, he would have wrapped this thing up by round 16. Even with his crash in Arlington (which might not even have been his fault, but the fault of a failing front brake).
Good point. Yea, next year he will be dialed from the beginning and won't need 3 races to get up to speed.
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5/8/2017 10:43am
crusty_xx wrote:
Tomac wasn't inconsistent this season... His bike was just bad the first 3 rounds. This won't happen again I guess. He was already 25 points behind...
Tomac wasn't inconsistent this season...
His bike was just bad the first 3 rounds. This won't happen again I guess.
He was already 25 points behind RD after A2.
Had he gone into the season like he rode after Round 3, he would have wrapped this thing up by round 16. Even with his crash in Arlington (which might not even have been his fault, but the fault of a failing front brake).
andyman wrote:
They did not find anything wrong in that front brake.
Didnt they cut his front brake line after his crash in Arlington?
5/8/2017 10:57am
A burned out Dungey barely squeaked it out. No reason for him to come back when he's not in it 100%. Tomac has no championships and is much hungrier so no.
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5/8/2017 10:58am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2017 10:59am
Nope. Tomac is on a different level. Dungey simply cannot reach that level..he just doesn't have it. Kind of like Kenny in mx...a level Dungey or...
Nope. Tomac is on a different level. Dungey simply cannot reach that level..he just doesn't have it. Kind of like Kenny in mx...a level Dungey or Tomac couldn't reach.
Ummm...you do realize that a burned-out, not-on-same-level Ryan Dungey BEAT Eli Tomac for the championship, don't you?
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5/8/2017 11:32am
Eli has terrible mental strength. Pretty much every time he was pressured he cracked, crashed, or somehow sabotaged himself. Roczen scared the crap out of Eli and Dunge played Eli like a fiddle.

Great race though. One of the best I have ever seen. You rarely see someone control a race like that, making sure people bunch up behind Dungey, let him pass, take him out. I was out of my seat the entire time. Even Reed was in on the fun. Grant also looked great.
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5/8/2017 12:43pm
davistld01 wrote:
I think everybody with any sense would agree that Eli Tomac was the fastest man on the track at most every SX round this year...but Dungey...
I think everybody with any sense would agree that Eli Tomac was the fastest man on the track at most every SX round this year...but Dungey was the smartest. He knew that it was the points that mattered when the music stopped. He knows how to manage a championship...he's proven it 4-times now.

IF Ryan Dungey chooses to race the 2018 year instead of retirement...do you think he can outgun Tomac (and maybe Roczen) for another Championship?

Do you think consistency & experience can beat sheer speed again?
Just for the sake of clarity, let me paraphrase your question...

"Do you think the thing that just happened, and has happened many times before, could happen again?"

Silly

Yes it absolutely could happen. But it could also not happen. That's why we run the races!

However, I think the issues that plagued Eli's campaign are fixed easier than the issues that (I think) plagued Dungey's.

Eli lost out on bike setup early on, and a small amount of mistakes later in the season. Obviously bike set up is no longer an issue, and I think Eli will only improve on his personal consistency.

For Dungey, I think his speed was lacking because he has notions of retirement in his head. I don't mean to say he doesn't want it as much as he has in the past, but you've gotta think that having done it all at this stage is making it harder to say in the grind.

So to answer your question, yes I think consistency and experience can beat sheer speed again, but if Dungey does come back for another year, consistency and experience will be going up against speed and experience. And that is a fight I would relish watching.
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5/8/2017 12:46pm
I like how Dunge just won but people will say it's a NO on being able to win next year.
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5/8/2017 12:52pm
Dungey would be a year older and Tomac a year more seasoned and into his prime. We seen this speed before from Eli before he got hurt. Next year he could be even faster, as scary as that sounds...
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5/8/2017 12:53pm
seth505 wrote:
I like how Dunge just won but people will say it's a NO on being able to win next year.
Can't win if you don't play.....
Wink

My money says he hangs up the boots after doing select outdoor rounds.
5/8/2017 1:04pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2017 7:05pm
I would always pick Dungey because he is a championship machine. Cool
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5/8/2017 1:12pm
No front brake problem, he's champ by a long shot
5/8/2017 1:12pm
cali11 wrote:
RD didn't beat Tomac. Tomac best himself.
Agreed. Didn't he finish back to back 8th places in the beginning? Then the 15th at Arlington and the crash at NJ.
5/8/2017 1:14pm
Nope. Tomac is on a different level. Dungey simply cannot reach that level..he just doesn't have it. Kind of like Kenny in mx...a level Dungey or...
Nope. Tomac is on a different level. Dungey simply cannot reach that level..he just doesn't have it. Kind of like Kenny in mx...a level Dungey or Tomac couldn't reach.
davistld01 wrote:
Ummm...you do realize that a burned-out, not-on-same-level Ryan Dungey BEAT Eli Tomac for the championship, don't you?
Tomac beat himself. When did Ryan beat him straight up this season? If I recall everytime they started together Tomac checked out or came from 10th or worse to win. Not including crashes/mechanicals or the first 3 races when Tomac was riding like a 10th place guy.
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5/8/2017 1:16pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2017 1:18pm
Roczen is done I am afraid. Honestly I think they are trying to save his arm. I have never heard of anyone having that many surgeries. There is no way his arm will ever be the same. I hope I am wrong but I don't think it looks good for a comeback. Tomac will wad up again, he is a win it or wreck kinda rider and most guys never grow out of that.

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