Jody's story of "Let Broc Bye"

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rm85racer 4/30/2017 9:25am
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Damn good read. Thanks for posting.
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500guy 4/30/2017 9:40am
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Here's the difference between last night and this story

1.Last night was not the final race

2. Dungey & MM are friends

3. Eli was not in 3rd like Laportte (sp) was.

4. It's not over either rider could still win the championship.


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Yep, no fat lady till Vegas.
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vikingBoy 4/30/2017 9:56am
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pilotdude 4/30/2017 10:04am
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500guy wrote:
Here's the difference between last night and this story 1.Last night was not the final race 2. Dungey & MM are friends 3. Eli was not...
Here's the difference between last night and this story

1.Last night was not the final race

2. Dungey & MM are friends

3. Eli was not in 3rd like Laportte (sp) was.

4. It's not over either rider could still win the championship.


And what was the same between last night and this story is that the corporate shell game Jody so clearly documented from 40 years ago was repeated last night. KTM got 3 extra points toward the championship and the honestly of the sport was the price that was paid.


"The true issue has always been about the alleged conspiracy to cheat the public out of a fair race and the specter of corporate interference in the honesty of the sport.

That was the last day of innocence for the sport of motocross. It was no longer purely a man against man endeavor, but a corporation against corporation shell game (in which the peas of the strongest team could be shuffled to alter the outcome at the will of the board of directors). Today, the sport likes to think of itself as growing rapidly, supporting a huge industry in its wake and as being a major motorsports player. We are constantly pitched the concept that modern motocross is in its golden era, but greedy agents, cheating teams, callous executives and inept administrators do not a better sport make.

The real trick, for those interested in racing, is to forget about today and remember that 40 years ago, one day before August 14, 1977, motocross was a very different sport."
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OW38B 4/30/2017 10:06am
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500guy wrote:
Here's the difference between last night and this story 1.Last night was not the final race 2. Dungey & MM are friends 3. Eli was not...
Here's the difference between last night and this story

1.Last night was not the final race

2. Dungey & MM are friends

3. Eli was not in 3rd like Laportte (sp) was.

4. It's not over either rider could still win the championship.


One more difference, back in 1977 this was also not in the rulebook, like it is today.

AMA Rulebook:
Appendix A:

General Offenses and Penalties
A2.2
c. Abetting or knowingly engaging in any race in which the result is “fixed” or prearranged.
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500guy 4/30/2017 10:08am
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You really think the Sport was innocent until that day 40 yrs ago ?

I think you are confused between Adam and Eve and Sports in general.
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Not that it matters but, I don't like it. The only team orders that I find acceptable are to flat out beat everyone you can, not help rig the outcome by holding back.
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OW38B 4/30/2017 10:14am
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500guy wrote:
You really think the Sport was innocent until that day 40 yrs ago ? I think you are confused between Adam and Eve and Sports in...
You really think the Sport was innocent until that day 40 yrs ago ?

I think you are confused between Adam and Eve and Sports in general.
Of course not, If I was DeCoster last night or Kenny Clark back then I would have them do the same thing.

But there is a rule in place in theory to prevent the "Black Sox" scenario from happening in moto. Though with the AMA it is always a mystery.
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pilotdude 4/30/2017 10:21am
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500guy wrote:
You really think the Sport was innocent until that day 40 yrs ago ? I think you are confused between Adam and Eve and Sports in...
You really think the Sport was innocent until that day 40 yrs ago ?

I think you are confused between Adam and Eve and Sports in general.
No I don't think it was innocent at all, as moto has always been a dog-eat-dog sport. I think the point of Jody's article was that on that particular day, the events that transpired and were documented (to Yamaha's shame) marked the point at which the corporate manipulation of results became the more dominant aspect of the sport.

Why do you think that situation still stinks 40 years later...because it was the right thing to do? Why do you think so many people are disgusted with what happened last night?

I recognize the reality of what happened last night, as do most who are disgusted by it. In fact, I believe almost everyone recognizes the reality of it. The real difference is that there is one side that is apparently not bothered by people trying to artificially alter the outcome of a race and a championship (which also just so happens to be against the written rules of the sport), and there is another side that believes that racing and championships should be decided by letting the racers race (which is also what the rules demand.)
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gb4mx 4/30/2017 10:33am
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pilotdude wrote:
And what was the same between last night and this story is that the corporate shell game Jody so clearly documented from 40 years ago was...
And what was the same between last night and this story is that the corporate shell game Jody so clearly documented from 40 years ago was repeated last night. KTM got 3 extra points toward the championship and the honestly of the sport was the price that was paid.


"The true issue has always been about the alleged conspiracy to cheat the public out of a fair race and the specter of corporate interference in the honesty of the sport.

That was the last day of innocence for the sport of motocross. It was no longer purely a man against man endeavor, but a corporation against corporation shell game (in which the peas of the strongest team could be shuffled to alter the outcome at the will of the board of directors). Today, the sport likes to think of itself as growing rapidly, supporting a huge industry in its wake and as being a major motorsports player. We are constantly pitched the concept that modern motocross is in its golden era, but greedy agents, cheating teams, callous executives and inept administrators do not a better sport make.

The real trick, for those interested in racing, is to forget about today and remember that 40 years ago, one day before August 14, 1977, motocross was a very different sport."
Well said. Unfortunately this world is full of this Shit.Like the previous election? Nothing we can do about it.
Andy_Greenney 4/30/2017 11:02am
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Are people disgusted by what happened last night? Seemed the logical option to me, orders or no orders MM rides for a TEAM, this isn't amateur hour.
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ctbale 4/30/2017 11:14am
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500guy wrote:
You really think the Sport was innocent until that day 40 yrs ago ? I think you are confused between Adam and Eve and Sports in...
You really think the Sport was innocent until that day 40 yrs ago ?

I think you are confused between Adam and Eve and Sports in general.
pilotdude wrote:
No I don't think it was innocent at all, as moto has always been a dog-eat-dog sport. I think the point of Jody's article was that...
No I don't think it was innocent at all, as moto has always been a dog-eat-dog sport. I think the point of Jody's article was that on that particular day, the events that transpired and were documented (to Yamaha's shame) marked the point at which the corporate manipulation of results became the more dominant aspect of the sport.

Why do you think that situation still stinks 40 years later...because it was the right thing to do? Why do you think so many people are disgusted with what happened last night?

I recognize the reality of what happened last night, as do most who are disgusted by it. In fact, I believe almost everyone recognizes the reality of it. The real difference is that there is one side that is apparently not bothered by people trying to artificially alter the outcome of a race and a championship (which also just so happens to be against the written rules of the sport), and there is another side that believes that racing and championships should be decided by letting the racers race (which is also what the rules demand.)
well said pilotdude.
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ctbale 4/30/2017 11:16am
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Are people disgusted by what happened last night? Seemed the logical option to me, orders or no orders MM rides for a TEAM, this isn't amateur...
Are people disgusted by what happened last night? Seemed the logical option to me, orders or no orders MM rides for a TEAM, this isn't amateur hour.
Yes he does. But dont you want the fastest guy to win, not the guy(s) who belongs to the largest, and most heavily funded teams?

Too bad the guy who was the fastest (AKA the "Fibber") didnt win.


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olds cool 4/30/2017 11:29am
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Ask Jaroslav Falta how "innocent" the sport was before Hannah/Glover. It wasn't corporations though, "just" countries..
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Yes he does. But dont you want the fastest guy to win, not the guy(s) who belongs to the largest, and most heavily funded teams? Too...
Yes he does. But dont you want the fastest guy to win, not the guy(s) who belongs to the largest, and most heavily funded teams?

Too bad the guy who was the fastest (AKA the "Fibber") didnt win.


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A championship factors in consistency as well as speed, it's a juggling act between the two. Dungey is the guy right now who knows where the line sits.

If speed was the only decider the positions would be decided by qualifying
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davistld01 4/30/2017 12:27pm
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I know most here disagree with me, but the episode with Hannah & Broc was, of course manipulation for desired results by the factory. I do not believe the incident last night with Marvin making room for Dungey to pass him was the same. I believe Marvin did it out of faithfulness to his friend & his employer...and I truly believe DeCoster was telling the truth. The results would've been the same had there been "team orders", but I don't think that's what motivated Musquin.
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LoudLove 4/30/2017 12:40pm
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Wait a minute: Pat Richter is RV's uncle? Am I the only person on Vital unaware of this fact?

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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Are people disgusted by what happened last night? Seemed the logical option to me, orders or no orders MM rides for a TEAM, this isn't amateur...
Are people disgusted by what happened last night? Seemed the logical option to me, orders or no orders MM rides for a TEAM, this isn't amateur hour.
And people are saying there was team orders, NO ONE knows if there were team orders or not...and probably never will...so to say they are disgusted by the team orders when there is evidence of it is funny. The Broc incident clearly was team orders...how can you compare the two?
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JM485 4/30/2017 12:51pm
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That was an awesome article, even though I think the situation last night might have been a little different. Be careful what you wish for with all the "grow the sport" bs, just look at what Monster has done, with corporate money comes the death of a sports soul. I believe what Marvin did last night was probably done on his own, but it's kind of sad to think that it may not have been. All I want to see is good racing, not money and politics playing a role in the outcome.
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PFitzG38 4/30/2017 12:55pm
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The best part of that story I like is where Hannah went into Yamaha Corporate and demanded his win bonus. Not sure if it was this time or when he stopped, pulled over and put his chin on his crossbar.

Let Rian Buy...









............Yeah more like Buy Dinner, every time your families go out together - for the rest of your lives.
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LoudLove 4/30/2017 1:11pm
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The pulse of the respective pits could not have been more contrasting. Last night there were likely high-fives, knowing winks, and a KTM team united for a single cause. As Jody's article states, the mood that day in San Antonio was the polar opposite.

Besides, if Ryan podiums Vegas, it's a moot point anyway. But with the ink barely dry on a fresh 2 year contract, we would have made the same decision as Marvin. The record books will live on long after the naysayers...
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Yamaknockers 4/30/2017 3:36pm
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500guy wrote:
Here's the difference between last night and this story 1.Last night was not the final race 2. Dungey & MM are friends 3. Eli was not...
Here's the difference between last night and this story

1.Last night was not the final race

2. Dungey & MM are friends

3. Eli was not in 3rd like Laportte (sp) was.

4. It's not over either rider could still win the championship.


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One more difference, back in 1977 this was also not in the rulebook, like it is today. AMA Rulebook: Appendix A: General Offenses and Penalties A2.2...
One more difference, back in 1977 this was also not in the rulebook, like it is today.

AMA Rulebook:
Appendix A:

General Offenses and Penalties
A2.2
c. Abetting or knowingly engaging in any race in which the result is “fixed” or prearranged.
If you read the story, it was in the rule book back then. They had evidence and the AMA still did nothing. Funny how they mentioned that Suzuki told them this would set a precedent, and look at the AMA now, still favoring factory teams and making the rules up as they go.
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tuggy450 4/30/2017 5:42pm
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I seem to remember another Frenchman who refused team orders.
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Ted722 4/30/2017 6:08pm
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I was involved in a 4 moto weekend race and a few riders I knew came up to me after the 3rd moto and said "want to know where you're at?" After crashing and finishing 13th, I didn't want to know, so I said no. Lined up for the 4th moto, grabbed a good start, and one of those "riders" was right in front of me and waved me by. He was out of contention and gave me a shot to do the best I could. Went 3-3-13-2 for 2nd overall. I asked years later, "why'd you do that?" All he said was, "you're a good dude, now where's my bonus beer!"
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yzmatt 4/30/2017 6:34pm
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The white knight soap box crew is unbelievable in here. Get over it, Tomac has only himself to blame for the situation going into Vegas. Bunch of cry babies all over this board....
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wfo4ever 4/30/2017 7:01pm
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newmann wrote:
Yep, no fat lady till Vegas.
I agree with you. There is still one more race to go. Anything can happen as we all know from the past seasons.

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