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JB151MX 4/25/2017 8:53pm
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^^^ You can bet the ranch the semi and techs have been at his place several times!
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Ya. I doubt it was a fluke the Kawies were so on point.
Like i said before, u def brought up a valid point no one has yet... Kawi has been at his place no doubt... If people don't think when thing's were not good in the beginning ( everybody forgot eli was laying eggs) that kawi didn't do anything and everything to make him happy and eli likes his ranch so yeah.
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I think you're all slightly over excited. They were racing at altitude. It effected Anderson, who trains with RD#5, but you think Dungey is superman. He's...
I think you're all slightly over excited. They were racing at altitude. It effected Anderson, who trains with RD#5, but you think Dungey is superman. He's not, he's as human as Anderson. You all must be breathing thin air ATM as well. The Kawy had more power at altitude and so did the rider. I doubt it'll be that easy for Tomac in the next couple of rounds. I hope he does win it, but i can't see it being easy, not by a long shot.

It's also easier to chase someone down in the points than it is to lead from the front. It's Tomac's title to lose now. The tide has turned and the presure is all on Eli.
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Holy shit dude this ain't the girl scouts
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Did ur boy scout leader convince u of that while he fondled u to make u feel comfortableWoohoo
Fuck you bitch
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Being less prone to the problems associated with altitude doesn't give you the ability to wheelie and inside rut. Thats pure ability. It also doesn't make skimming whoops a better option than jumping..unless your french. Dungey is an incredible rider, but this wasn't Tomacs first win this year. Hes won what 10? at this point. I think that says it all.
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JB151MX 4/25/2017 9:20pm
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Being less prone to the problems associated with altitude doesn't give you the ability to wheelie and inside rut. Thats pure ability. It also doesn't make...
Being less prone to the problems associated with altitude doesn't give you the ability to wheelie and inside rut. Thats pure ability. It also doesn't make skimming whoops a better option than jumping..unless your french. Dungey is an incredible rider, but this wasn't Tomacs first win this year. Hes won what 10? at this point. I think that says it all.
The man pointed out the possibility of kawi testing in Colorado at eli's ranch... This would mean they have had several hours of testing and getting info on power output! In case u missed his point... He would have won regardless! This just gave him 5% more. It's the little thing's that add up on this level

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I respectfully disagree. One of the reasons his ride was so epic was because of where he exited the first turn, and the headless charge to the front. If his bike was that much better, then I would have expected to see him a little further up. I understand all of the variables of the start, but if his bike was that much better from tuning at altitude, then it should have, at least, compensated for a better start. Furthermore, it wasn't that long ago where Tomac looked fatigued towards the end of races that werent at altitude. He was shown to be training at home back then too.

His confidence is at a high level now, coupled with incredible skill, bike more dialed for him, and you get what was seen at SLC, and his other performances we've been seeing, for that matter. Sometimes its as simple as a rider just being that much faster.
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Hut wrote:
Holy shit dude this ain't the girl scouts
JB151MX wrote:
Did ur boy scout leader convince u of that while he fondled u to make u feel comfortableWoohoo
Hut wrote:
Fuck you bitch
I have a feeling this JB151 character is gonna have a REAL short posting career here at Vital.......

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FTB 4/26/2017 1:44am
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I respectfully disagree. One of the reasons his ride was so epic was because of where he exited the first turn, and the headless charge to...
I respectfully disagree. One of the reasons his ride was so epic was because of where he exited the first turn, and the headless charge to the front. If his bike was that much better, then I would have expected to see him a little further up. I understand all of the variables of the start, but if his bike was that much better from tuning at altitude, then it should have, at least, compensated for a better start. Furthermore, it wasn't that long ago where Tomac looked fatigued towards the end of races that werent at altitude. He was shown to be training at home back then too.

His confidence is at a high level now, coupled with incredible skill, bike more dialed for him, and you get what was seen at SLC, and his other performances we've been seeing, for that matter. Sometimes its as simple as a rider just being that much faster.
The start had nothing to do with the bike. He stated that he flinched in the gate. He blew the start.

I'm not saying he wouldn't have won anyway, just that it's one reason why he did it so easy. Again. I doubt it'll be that easy this week, or next.
I reckon the altitutde made Dungey look less than his best, but "helped" Eli look like Superman.
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Flip109 4/26/2017 4:11am
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Well they knew the damn race was at altitude. They should have went there earlier in the week and trained and tested in it. I mean they are only in a huge title fight....
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Dtat720 4/26/2017 4:21am
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kzizok wrote:
I respectfully disagree. One of the reasons his ride was so epic was because of where he exited the first turn, and the headless charge to...
I respectfully disagree. One of the reasons his ride was so epic was because of where he exited the first turn, and the headless charge to the front. If his bike was that much better, then I would have expected to see him a little further up. I understand all of the variables of the start, but if his bike was that much better from tuning at altitude, then it should have, at least, compensated for a better start. Furthermore, it wasn't that long ago where Tomac looked fatigued towards the end of races that werent at altitude. He was shown to be training at home back then too.

His confidence is at a high level now, coupled with incredible skill, bike more dialed for him, and you get what was seen at SLC, and his other performances we've been seeing, for that matter. Sometimes its as simple as a rider just being that much faster.
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The start had nothing to do with the bike. He stated that he flinched in the gate. He blew the start. I'm not saying he wouldn't...
The start had nothing to do with the bike. He stated that he flinched in the gate. He blew the start.

I'm not saying he wouldn't have won anyway, just that it's one reason why he did it so easy. Again. I doubt it'll be that easy this week, or next.
I reckon the altitutde made Dungey look less than his best, but "helped" Eli look like Superman.
How many weeks can he look super human and Dungey off his game before people admit it isnt a one time occurrence, its the new norm? Every week for the last 8-9 weeks its the same song and dance.. Tomac looked the same last week as the week before. Same for Dungey. It wasnt an altitude fluke event.
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FTB 4/26/2017 4:34am
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kzizok wrote:
I respectfully disagree. One of the reasons his ride was so epic was because of where he exited the first turn, and the headless charge to...
I respectfully disagree. One of the reasons his ride was so epic was because of where he exited the first turn, and the headless charge to the front. If his bike was that much better, then I would have expected to see him a little further up. I understand all of the variables of the start, but if his bike was that much better from tuning at altitude, then it should have, at least, compensated for a better start. Furthermore, it wasn't that long ago where Tomac looked fatigued towards the end of races that werent at altitude. He was shown to be training at home back then too.

His confidence is at a high level now, coupled with incredible skill, bike more dialed for him, and you get what was seen at SLC, and his other performances we've been seeing, for that matter. Sometimes its as simple as a rider just being that much faster.
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The start had nothing to do with the bike. He stated that he flinched in the gate. He blew the start. I'm not saying he wouldn't...
The start had nothing to do with the bike. He stated that he flinched in the gate. He blew the start.

I'm not saying he wouldn't have won anyway, just that it's one reason why he did it so easy. Again. I doubt it'll be that easy this week, or next.
I reckon the altitutde made Dungey look less than his best, but "helped" Eli look like Superman.
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How many weeks can he look super human and Dungey off his game before people admit it isnt a one time occurrence, its the new norm...
How many weeks can he look super human and Dungey off his game before people admit it isnt a one time occurrence, its the new norm? Every week for the last 8-9 weeks its the same song and dance.. Tomac looked the same last week as the week before. Same for Dungey. It wasnt an altitude fluke event.
Which rnd before the last did he start 3rd last and finish a clear 1st? You're wrong. The altitute was an advantage for Tomac.
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Dtat720 4/26/2017 4:39am
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The start had nothing to do with the bike. He stated that he flinched in the gate. He blew the start. I'm not saying he wouldn't...
The start had nothing to do with the bike. He stated that he flinched in the gate. He blew the start.

I'm not saying he wouldn't have won anyway, just that it's one reason why he did it so easy. Again. I doubt it'll be that easy this week, or next.
I reckon the altitutde made Dungey look less than his best, but "helped" Eli look like Superman.
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How many weeks can he look super human and Dungey off his game before people admit it isnt a one time occurrence, its the new norm...
How many weeks can he look super human and Dungey off his game before people admit it isnt a one time occurrence, its the new norm? Every week for the last 8-9 weeks its the same song and dance.. Tomac looked the same last week as the week before. Same for Dungey. It wasnt an altitude fluke event.
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Which rnd before the last did he start 3rd last and finish a clear 1st? You're wrong. The altitute was an advantage for Tomac.
delusional...... its been the same for weeks now. Impartial people can see it. Even realistic Dungey fans.
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FTB 4/26/2017 4:49am
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How many weeks can he look super human and Dungey off his game before people admit it isnt a one time occurrence, its the new norm...
How many weeks can he look super human and Dungey off his game before people admit it isnt a one time occurrence, its the new norm? Every week for the last 8-9 weeks its the same song and dance.. Tomac looked the same last week as the week before. Same for Dungey. It wasnt an altitude fluke event.
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Which rnd before the last did he start 3rd last and finish a clear 1st? You're wrong. The altitute was an advantage for Tomac.
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delusional...... its been the same for weeks now. Impartial people can see it. Even realistic Dungey fans.
Yeah...................right.

JFYI, I'm a big Tomac fan. I respect him but I've never been a Dungey fan. Impartial, maybe not, just keeping it real.

Been the same for weeks ya reckon. Show me the footage where Tomac has previously this season done what he did last week. I musta missed it.
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Acidreamer 4/26/2017 5:04am
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Could tell by watching tomac was faster in every part of the track. In the rythm section he just sortof pushed through everything and kept lower than dungey. The whoops and corners were also impressive.
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Dtat720 4/26/2017 5:10am
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Which rnd before the last did he start 3rd last and finish a clear 1st? You're wrong. The altitute was an advantage for Tomac.
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delusional...... its been the same for weeks now. Impartial people can see it. Even realistic Dungey fans.
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Yeah...................right. JFYI, I'm a big Tomac fan. I respect him but I've never been a Dungey fan. Impartial, maybe not, just keeping it real. Been the...
Yeah...................right.

JFYI, I'm a big Tomac fan. I respect him but I've never been a Dungey fan. Impartial, maybe not, just keeping it real.

Been the same for weeks ya reckon. Show me the footage where Tomac has previously this season done what he did last week. I musta missed it.
He has won 9 races now? Not really had a battle except for one. So yeah, for weeks now its been this way. A few times hes caughy Dungey and passed then gapped him. He went in to the 1st turn in 20th, came out of it in 15th and before the end of lap 1 he was in tenth. So last week was pretty similar to a few weeks ago with his 9th or 10th place start and charging the pack like clock work
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Eli's performance was impressive. That Factory KX450's performance was impressive as well (and has been since February). Let's go with 90% rider, 10% percent bike. That...
Eli's performance was impressive. That Factory KX450's performance was impressive as well (and has been since February). Let's go with 90% rider, 10% percent bike. That team's getting the full 100% right now. That's not an excuse for Dungey, that's a tip of the cap to Tomac and Team Kawasaki.
Well said. If you had told me after round two where Tomac was getting arm pump and not comfortable on his kawi would be dominating the series two rounds later I would have told you to go check into the nut house. But here we are 3 months later; he's dominating, man and machine are one, and has also extended his contract with Kawi. This has been the craziest series.
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Which rnd before the last did he start 3rd last and finish a clear 1st? You're wrong. The altitute was an advantage for Tomac.
He hasn't had to do that because all of his wins he had pretty decent start. He came awful close in Atlanta though. Did you ever think that Eli just keeps getting better and better? Maybe the altitude was a slight advantage but give any other rider that same advantage and they couldn't have done what Eli did this past weekend. (Maybe Dungey, if he actually had fire in his eyes, which he hasnt really had all season)
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If anything it might take the other teams a little longer to get the bike dialed in but come on, this isn't rocket science, these guys have dealt with altitude before, and are some of the best tuners out there. As far as dungey physically, maybe if he came out blazing fast and faded, you could argue the altitude affected him. What about Anderson who we know was affected by altitude sickness? He had one of his better rides this year, it didn't seem to affect his stamina much at all.
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Eli won because of his ability. It's not the bike. It's not the altitude. He wanted it more and he wasn't afraid to lay it on the line. He's pushing the limit and it worked this race. He did what he had to do which is hammer down and he dominated.

Dungey did what Dungey does, and which has made him very very successful and wealthy and that's ride a very controlled mistake free race. He only lost three points and is still right in the championship fight.

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Brapp 4/26/2017 6:32am
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There is always going to be someone faster, just the way it is. At some point, someone will do the same thing to Eli. Eli is just faster than Dungey this year. Everyone of you that race know this to be true.
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Ted722 4/26/2017 6:53am
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Eli won because of his ability. It's not the bike. It's not the altitude. He wanted it more and he wasn't afraid to lay it on...
Eli won because of his ability. It's not the bike. It's not the altitude. He wanted it more and he wasn't afraid to lay it on the line. He's pushing the limit and it worked this race. He did what he had to do which is hammer down and he dominated.

Dungey did what Dungey does, and which has made him very very successful and wealthy and that's ride a very controlled mistake free race. He only lost three points and is still right in the championship fight.
How about the settings? (Linkage, Revalve, Clamps, etc.) Have you ever made a setting change (either minor or drastic) that was a step in the right direction? What happened? You gained confidence, your riding/racing/results improved, and it was repeatable. However minor/major the changes Kawasaki made after San Diego has helped Tomac ride to his full potential. This sport is big time mental (as most sports) and having confidence in your equipment helps to build confidence in yourself. Rinse/Repeat. That, in no way, takes away from Tomac's amazing year. But (as in every motorsport), the equipment plays a part.
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There is always going to be someone faster, just the way it is. At some point, someone will do the same thing to Eli. Eli is...
There is always going to be someone faster, just the way it is. At some point, someone will do the same thing to Eli. Eli is just faster than Dungey this year. Everyone of you that race know this to be true.
This is reality^^. A chase, reset, do over,,, can't change it. The question is, who's next. I'm guessing it's Webb.
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He hasn't had to do that because all of his wins he had pretty decent start. He came awful close in Atlanta though. Did you ever...
He hasn't had to do that because all of his wins he had pretty decent start. He came awful close in Atlanta though. Did you ever think that Eli just keeps getting better and better? Maybe the altitude was a slight advantage but give any other rider that same advantage and they couldn't have done what Eli did this past weekend. (Maybe Dungey, if he actually had fire in his eyes, which he hasnt really had all season)
I saw Eli do this same scenario when he was racing the 250 class at a national. If my memory serves me correctly he fell, got up pretty close to last place and destroyed everyone for the win. It was incredible. I can't remember the exact year or which race it was but it's definitely worthy of viewing.
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Dungey rode a great race at SLC, but Eli Tomac was simply destroying him in the whoops and most of the corners. I'm a huge Dungey fan...but also of Tomac, and this simply looks like the "changing of the guard" to me. Ryan was getting worked on pratically every portion of the track, but the way Tomac rolled up on his butt through the whoops was absolutely insane!
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PRM31 4/26/2017 9:22am
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Eli did in that straight and corner what Cairoli did in one corner. Eli was certainly faster overall, but that one straight and corner is the one spot I'd point to that made a big difference.

We are now seeing the Eli from before his wreck at Lakewood. Only Eli can stop Eli.

As for the bike, I'm convinced they made changes and found a feel to the bike that he likes. In an earlier podcast he even alluded to the bike not feeling right early in the season.
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Eli won because of his ability. It's not the bike. It's not the altitude. He wanted it more and he wasn't afraid to lay it on...
Eli won because of his ability. It's not the bike. It's not the altitude. He wanted it more and he wasn't afraid to lay it on the line. He's pushing the limit and it worked this race. He did what he had to do which is hammer down and he dominated.

Dungey did what Dungey does, and which has made him very very successful and wealthy and that's ride a very controlled mistake free race. He only lost three points and is still right in the championship fight.
This. Tomac was on another level.
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Falcon 4/26/2017 9:56am
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Tomac is the superior rider right now, hands-down. He has the edge and the confidence to do anything and he gets away with it.
Dungey is still mathematically very much in the points chase, but he's been bleeding points for 10 rounds now. The writing's on the wall. He basically has to beat Tomac twice in a row now to win the championship, and that will take a different approach than what he's been using.
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Shaned9326 4/26/2017 10:41am
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Tomac is the superior rider right now, hands-down. He has the edge and the confidence to do anything and he gets away with it. Dungey is...
Tomac is the superior rider right now, hands-down. He has the edge and the confidence to do anything and he gets away with it.
Dungey is still mathematically very much in the points chase, but he's been bleeding points for 10 rounds now. The writing's on the wall. He basically has to beat Tomac twice in a row now to win the championship, and that will take a different approach than what he's been using.
Absolutely superior right now!!! Nuff said!!
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The Dungey fans are full of excuses! Give me a break. Tomac has owned Dungey for months. What's it going to be next week? Tomac would of won that race if it was below sea level. I have made plenty excuses for JS7. But never seen any this dumb!
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The Dungey fans are full of excuses! Give me a break. Tomac has owned Dungey for months. What's it going to be next week? Tomac would...
The Dungey fans are full of excuses! Give me a break. Tomac has owned Dungey for months. What's it going to be next week? Tomac would of won that race if it was below sea level. I have made plenty excuses for JS7. But never seen any this dumb!
You're painting with a very broad brush. I'm a huge fan of RD and I hope he wins the championship. Your post doesn't even make sense. Too busy being anti Dungey to notice? see my post above for all my "excuses for Dungey".

Go Dungey!
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I guess if you're Dungey you're going to tell yourself that since Eli trains in altitude it was an advantage for him, and it probably was. But if that race was at sea level you really think Dungey would win? Come on man, Dungey's an amazing rider and great champion but he's not as good as Eli right now. Dungey's won many titles with his consistent style and it's quite amazing how consistent he's been able to be even when the cards are stacked against him but it isn't working on Eli Tomac right now. Plain and simple Eli is just better all around right now and if SLC didn't show you that I think you're blind or delusional.

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