Another Ken Roczen Update: Latest Elbow Surgery

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Ebs wrote:
It might just be because he's so open to share the process, which makes it looks really bad. But who's been busted up worse and made...
It might just be because he's so open to share the process, which makes it looks really bad. But who's been busted up worse and made it back in top form? This would have to be up near the top.

Hoping he bounces back like nothing ever happened.
aeffertz wrote:
Other than Pourcel, I imagine Eli's double shoulder surgery was gnarly. So long as Kenny regains all feeling and even 90% movement in his arm (the...
Other than Pourcel, I imagine Eli's double shoulder surgery was gnarly.

So long as Kenny regains all feeling and even 90% movement in his arm (the severity of this and the compound fracture really are going to test this) he'll be back to where he was after some time on the bike again.

These guys are so gnarly. Christ, Jessy Nelson was a top guy and he didnt have a thumb on one hand. Not to mention the dudes that have raced and done well with broken bones in the past. Things can be done, these guys will put in 110% and rise above it.
Doug Henry came back from a broken back. Then later on broke both arms at the same track. Then came back again and won a championship I believe. The year he won the championship I believe he won the overall at the track that caused him so many injuries.
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Ebs wrote:
It might just be because he's so open to share the process, which makes it looks really bad. But who's been busted up worse and made...
It might just be because he's so open to share the process, which makes it looks really bad. But who's been busted up worse and made it back in top form? This would have to be up near the top.

Hoping he bounces back like nothing ever happened.
aeffertz wrote:
Other than Pourcel, I imagine Eli's double shoulder surgery was gnarly. So long as Kenny regains all feeling and even 90% movement in his arm (the...
Other than Pourcel, I imagine Eli's double shoulder surgery was gnarly.

So long as Kenny regains all feeling and even 90% movement in his arm (the severity of this and the compound fracture really are going to test this) he'll be back to where he was after some time on the bike again.

These guys are so gnarly. Christ, Jessy Nelson was a top guy and he didnt have a thumb on one hand. Not to mention the dudes that have raced and done well with broken bones in the past. Things can be done, these guys will put in 110% and rise above it.
TXDirt wrote:
Doug Henry came back from a broken back. Then later on broke both arms at the same track. Then came back again and won a championship...
Doug Henry came back from a broken back. Then later on broke both arms at the same track. Then came back again and won a championship I believe. The year he won the championship I believe he won the overall at the track that caused him so many injuries.
Broken bones are easier to come back from than severe dislocations. Man that elbow dislocation he had was seriously bad.
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His attitude will bring him further back than most. When they are done cutting and rehab starts then the real test occurs. He appears to be up to it.
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I'm sitting here with a separated shoulder and a bunch of broken ribs. I can't ride. I can't work. I can't support my wife and 3 kids. Obviously nothing like what Mr. Roczen is dealing with. 99% of my battle is staying positive. For the life of me I couldn't figure out why Ken opens himself up to so much negativity by putting this stuff out on the internet. I think I just figured it out. I bet he is using all these negative comments as motivational fuel. He is going to prove all the naysayers wrong! It's going to be awesome when he comes back! GO KENNY! YOU ARE THE EFFING MAN!

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aeffertz wrote:
Other than Pourcel, I imagine Eli's double shoulder surgery was gnarly. So long as Kenny regains all feeling and even 90% movement in his arm (the...
Other than Pourcel, I imagine Eli's double shoulder surgery was gnarly.

So long as Kenny regains all feeling and even 90% movement in his arm (the severity of this and the compound fracture really are going to test this) he'll be back to where he was after some time on the bike again.

These guys are so gnarly. Christ, Jessy Nelson was a top guy and he didnt have a thumb on one hand. Not to mention the dudes that have raced and done well with broken bones in the past. Things can be done, these guys will put in 110% and rise above it.
TXDirt wrote:
Doug Henry came back from a broken back. Then later on broke both arms at the same track. Then came back again and won a championship...
Doug Henry came back from a broken back. Then later on broke both arms at the same track. Then came back again and won a championship I believe. The year he won the championship I believe he won the overall at the track that caused him so many injuries.
kkawboy14 wrote:
Broken bones are easier to come back from than severe dislocations. Man that elbow dislocation he had was seriously bad.
I'm not comparing the two. Just an example of a rider coming back from serious injury. There really aren't many examples if you think about it.

Ken's injury is one of the worst I've ever seen in sports. Physically he may be okay. He's got great doctors and facilities. I think the mental part might prove tougher to overcome in the long run.
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TXDirt wrote:
Doug Henry came back from a broken back. Then later on broke both arms at the same track. Then came back again and won a championship...
Doug Henry came back from a broken back. Then later on broke both arms at the same track. Then came back again and won a championship I believe. The year he won the championship I believe he won the overall at the track that caused him so many injuries.
kkawboy14 wrote:
Broken bones are easier to come back from than severe dislocations. Man that elbow dislocation he had was seriously bad.
TXDirt wrote:
I'm not comparing the two. Just an example of a rider coming back from serious injury. There really aren't many examples if you think about it...
I'm not comparing the two. Just an example of a rider coming back from serious injury. There really aren't many examples if you think about it.

Ken's injury is one of the worst I've ever seen in sports. Physically he may be okay. He's got great doctors and facilities. I think the mental part might prove tougher to overcome in the long run.
I understand what your saying but my point is that it's impossible not to compare the 2, breaks no matter how bad are better than dislocations.

I have a couple retired Pro Football player friends, man from all the knee and ankle dislocations those guys are about crippled, can barely walk around the golf course. They can't believe with all the broken bones I've had I'm barely even bothered by them.
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Broken bones are easier to come back from than severe dislocations. Man that elbow dislocation he had was seriously bad.
Are you fellowship trained in upper extremity orthopedic surgery? Do you know if it's worse to have a comminuted/destroyed radial head, distal radius, or an elbow dislocation? If not, perhaps you shouldn't be weighing in on the injury patterns, severity, and long term complications.

I reduce dislocated elbows on a weekly basis. Most do not need surgery and go on to make a full recovery.
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4/21/2017 8:54am Edited Date/Time 4/21/2017 8:58am
kkawboy14 wrote:
Broken bones are easier to come back from than severe dislocations. Man that elbow dislocation he had was seriously bad.
MDMCG wrote:
Are you fellowship trained in upper extremity orthopedic surgery? Do you know if it's worse to have a comminuted/destroyed radial head, distal radius, or an elbow...
Are you fellowship trained in upper extremity orthopedic surgery? Do you know if it's worse to have a comminuted/destroyed radial head, distal radius, or an elbow dislocation? If not, perhaps you shouldn't be weighing in on the injury patterns, severity, and long term complications.

I reduce dislocated elbows on a weekly basis. Most do not need surgery and go on to make a full recovery.
Obviously your more qualified than me!

Does the pain come from the bone or the joint and muscles?

If any of those breaks you listed happened, were the joints in all likelihood impacted also?
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MDMCG wrote:
Are you fellowship trained in upper extremity orthopedic surgery? Do you know if it's worse to have a comminuted/destroyed radial head, distal radius, or an elbow...
Are you fellowship trained in upper extremity orthopedic surgery? Do you know if it's worse to have a comminuted/destroyed radial head, distal radius, or an elbow dislocation? If not, perhaps you shouldn't be weighing in on the injury patterns, severity, and long term complications.

I reduce dislocated elbows on a weekly basis. Most do not need surgery and go on to make a full recovery.
While most dislocations do not require surgery, Ken's did. In fact, several procedures, which throws him into the upper most percentile, closer to amputation than a mild sprain. What percentage of patients undergoing a half dozen or more surgeries make a "full recovery"?

While a generalization, it is also a fact that joint injuries have decimated more moto careers than fractures. Ken puts himself under a magnifying glass with his public updates, but multiple surgeries for a single injury would have anyone guessing as to whether he can return to competitive racing.

It's beneficial to have an MD weighing in on the situation, but the condescending comments are unnecessary.
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I wouldn't bet against Kenny.
Tough s.o.b.
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4/21/2017 12:17pm Edited Date/Time 4/21/2017 12:18pm
"Broken bones are easier to come back from than severe dislocations."

I have no medical training, but isn't this a generally correct statement? I presume the recovery from his compounded radius is near complete, where the recovery from the severe dislocations is a long way off.

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Seeing Roczens injury in detail like this might make it seem worse than it is, but I dont think Villos/Canards/etc injuries are too similar. Now Im not saying they werent horrible because holy shit, those would pretty much destroy most people, but because its Kennys elbow and wrist makes it worse for riding a motorcycle (imo) than a leg or Canards back injury (again Im not saying those werent horrible injuries).

But for being able to hold onto/control a dirtbike at the level Kenny rides at requires so much strength/flexibility/movement from the upper body. Im sure the strength will return and hopefully there aren't any issues with movement.

I hope for the sake of our sport that Kenny can come back and keep pushing the sport in the direction he has been, more about enjoying it being open to everyone who watches. The closed off riders like Villo, Carmichael, Stew are legends in their own right but werent the crowd pleasers like Kenny is.
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ganny wrote:
"Broken bones are easier to come back from than [b]severe[/b] dislocations." I have no medical training, but isn't this a generally correct statement? I presume the...
"Broken bones are easier to come back from than severe dislocations."

I have no medical training, but isn't this a generally correct statement? I presume the recovery from his compounded radius is near complete, where the recovery from the severe dislocations is a long way off.

ya, id be more concerned with the elbow joints.. I landed on a guy and dislocated my right wrist and that also broke the scaphoid/navicular. mine was so displaced it pinched the nerves to the point that it didn't hurt much. we drove an hour and a half to our hospital (from red bud, heard bad stuff about niles)and the emergency people freaked out and said, you must be in shock. no, this was almost 3 hrs ago.. I got it pulled back into place, and a screw put in, as well as carpel tunnel surgery. I rode about 3-4 months later, but it was painful and awkward. i couldn't get change from a store cashier as i didn't have that motion down to where i could turn my palm up. I got back to speed a year and half later. never felt right in rhythms sections with less range of motion in wrist.
4/21/2017 1:36pm
His arm is soooo fuggin' gnarled:


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His arm is soooo fuggin' gnarled: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/04/21/189442/s1200_IMG_7213.PNG.jpg[/img]
His arm is soooo fuggin' gnarled:


Oh boy. I think its supposed to be a bit more straight.
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MDMCG wrote:
Are you fellowship trained in upper extremity orthopedic surgery? Do you know if it's worse to have a comminuted/destroyed radial head, distal radius, or an elbow...
Are you fellowship trained in upper extremity orthopedic surgery? Do you know if it's worse to have a comminuted/destroyed radial head, distal radius, or an elbow dislocation? If not, perhaps you shouldn't be weighing in on the injury patterns, severity, and long term complications.

I reduce dislocated elbows on a weekly basis. Most do not need surgery and go on to make a full recovery.
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While most dislocations do not require surgery, Ken's did. In fact, several procedures, which throws him into the upper most percentile, closer to amputation than a...
While most dislocations do not require surgery, Ken's did. In fact, several procedures, which throws him into the upper most percentile, closer to amputation than a mild sprain. What percentage of patients undergoing a half dozen or more surgeries make a "full recovery"?

While a generalization, it is also a fact that joint injuries have decimated more moto careers than fractures. Ken puts himself under a magnifying glass with his public updates, but multiple surgeries for a single injury would have anyone guessing as to whether he can return to competitive racing.

It's beneficial to have an MD weighing in on the situation, but the condescending comments are unnecessary.
Sigh.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've seen him disclose any ligament details. Zero. He dislocated his elbow and blew up his radial head. He had surgery to salvage his radial head, repair his wrist, and an external fixator given that swelling prohibited them from closing the skin initially. I bet his elbow was reduced at the first hospital. It's not a hard procedure to do. I do them at least once a week.

Joint dislocations MAY be bad if they disrupt large neurovascular bundles (knee for example) or disrupt multiple ligaments. We have no idea about his ligaments. However, we do know that his radial head was severely damaged and necessitated either metal hardware or a cadaver transplant, the later of which apparently gets better results.

His multiple surgeries were due to the soft tissue trauma from his fractures and likely also do to delay in initial treatment. He sat in California getting bumped from the OR until he made the good decision to fly to Vail.

My point in all of this is that everyone is speculating on various injuries that he hasn't disclosed. I haven't seen him say he has any nerve or ligament injury (although he likely damaged several ligaments in both his wrist and elbow - in my opinion). All he said was that he had early compartment syndrome and had to undergo a fasciotomy for that reason.

I feel like I have a fairly good grasp on his injury and I'm not even going to predict where he will be in 3-6 months. I'm wishing him the best and hope we see him next SX season.
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4/21/2017 4:29pm
Woah! That is hard to look at. I really hope he regains reasonable use of that arm and hand.
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When he comes back...here's what I want to see in the back of his Shift gear...

"Never Give Up"
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MDMCG wrote:
Are you fellowship trained in upper extremity orthopedic surgery? Do you know if it's worse to have a comminuted/destroyed radial head, distal radius, or an elbow...
Are you fellowship trained in upper extremity orthopedic surgery? Do you know if it's worse to have a comminuted/destroyed radial head, distal radius, or an elbow dislocation? If not, perhaps you shouldn't be weighing in on the injury patterns, severity, and long term complications.

I reduce dislocated elbows on a weekly basis. Most do not need surgery and go on to make a full recovery.
LoudLove wrote:
While most dislocations do not require surgery, Ken's did. In fact, several procedures, which throws him into the upper most percentile, closer to amputation than a...
While most dislocations do not require surgery, Ken's did. In fact, several procedures, which throws him into the upper most percentile, closer to amputation than a mild sprain. What percentage of patients undergoing a half dozen or more surgeries make a "full recovery"?

While a generalization, it is also a fact that joint injuries have decimated more moto careers than fractures. Ken puts himself under a magnifying glass with his public updates, but multiple surgeries for a single injury would have anyone guessing as to whether he can return to competitive racing.

It's beneficial to have an MD weighing in on the situation, but the condescending comments are unnecessary.
MDMCG wrote:
Sigh. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've seen him disclose any ligament details. Zero. He dislocated his elbow and blew up his...
Sigh.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've seen him disclose any ligament details. Zero. He dislocated his elbow and blew up his radial head. He had surgery to salvage his radial head, repair his wrist, and an external fixator given that swelling prohibited them from closing the skin initially. I bet his elbow was reduced at the first hospital. It's not a hard procedure to do. I do them at least once a week.

Joint dislocations MAY be bad if they disrupt large neurovascular bundles (knee for example) or disrupt multiple ligaments. We have no idea about his ligaments. However, we do know that his radial head was severely damaged and necessitated either metal hardware or a cadaver transplant, the later of which apparently gets better results.

His multiple surgeries were due to the soft tissue trauma from his fractures and likely also do to delay in initial treatment. He sat in California getting bumped from the OR until he made the good decision to fly to Vail.

My point in all of this is that everyone is speculating on various injuries that he hasn't disclosed. I haven't seen him say he has any nerve or ligament injury (although he likely damaged several ligaments in both his wrist and elbow - in my opinion). All he said was that he had early compartment syndrome and had to undergo a fasciotomy for that reason.

I feel like I have a fairly good grasp on his injury and I'm not even going to predict where he will be in 3-6 months. I'm wishing him the best and hope we see him next SX season.
I really dig reading what an actual doctor says about injuries and repairing them and so forth. Thank you for writing that!

And I'm with you...heal up Kenny and we'll see you at A1 next season!
4/21/2017 6:51pm
I broke my radial head 4 years ago wilst flying over the bars (Left arm) (obviously not nearly as bad as kenny's) I'm pretty damn old and i have no ill effects whatsoever from it today.
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When he comes back...here's what I want to see in the back of his Shift gear...

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Damn straight
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4/21/2017 7:52pm Edited Date/Time 4/21/2017 7:55pm
I've been a Doctor myself for the past 33 years. Full disclosure though - I'm a Chiropractor, not an Orthopedic surgeon. However, in my years of practice, I've treated hundreds and hundreds of patients with soft tissue injuries, and I think I can shed a little light on some of the opinions here.

I'm pretty much in total agreement with MD. But, I also have to somewhat agree with the gentleman who generalized that "broken bones are easier to come back from than severe joint dislocations". Here's why I say that: When you are talking about a SIMPLE/UNCOMPLICATED fracture of a long bone - let's say your Humerus (upper arm bone), as long as it's aligned properly and immobilized, it will heal pretty much as strong as it ever was in a couple of months. Again, this is for a very simple, uncomplicated, basic fracture, with no joint, vascular, or neurologic associated damage or complications. Hard tissue (bones) heal very well (as a rule) as long as they are immobilized properly. There are exceptions to this of course, but this is a generalization.

Damaged soft tissue, however, can be a very different story. Soft tissues include muscles, ligaments, and tendons, vessels, etc.. Ligaments are what join two bones together, and tendons join muscle to bone. When we talk about ligaments, you have to realize that they have a very good nerve supply (pain receptors), but not the best blood supply. Anyone who has sprained an ankle knows how painful it can be, and that it takes a long time to heal. And unlike bones, they often don't heal 100%. This is due to inflammation. Inflammation is a normal process, and we need it to keep us alive with such things as infections, etc, but for sprains, it can actually "over-react" and cause problems. When a ligament is injured, inflammation results, and this leads to scar tissue formation. These things called fibroblasts come in to form new tissue. Unfortunately, the new tissue formed isn't the same as the old tissue. It has more nociceptors (pain receptors), is less elastic, and weaker than the normal tissue it replaces as it heals. This can lead the injured area to have chronic pain, less range of motion, and be more easily injured in the future. I know many of you will say you have sprained your ankle before and it feels fine now, but I bet if you looked at the tissue under a microscope, it would be different.

This is why, as a very general rule, I would rather have a simple/uncomplicated fracture as opposed to a severe sprain (ligament damage). Again this is a generalization, and this whole thing is thrown out the window when you change to a comminuted fracture, a fracture into the joint, vascular and neurologic damage, etc, as the good doctor mentioned before. Also, one must realize that when you have a fairly serious fracture / multiple fractures, quite often you have severe ligament and other soft tissue damage along with it. Again, I agree with the good doctor that Ken most likely has some pretty significant ligament damage going on that he hasn't mentioned.

On another note, what can you do for a ligament sprain to help it heal most effectively with the least amount of scar/abnormal tissue? The keys are movement and reducing inflammation. With a bad sprain you'll most likely have to keep it fairly immobile for a day or two. As long as you don't have a very severe injury in which the ligament is totally severed or destroyed, you need to get it moving as soon as possible after the first 48 or so hours. You don't want to force anything - just gentle movement as far as you can tolerate. It may need to be passive movement - such as someone else gently/slowly moving the joint for you. This movement helps align the fibers along their normal lines of function, instead of being laid down in a haphazard/random fashion, which leads to the weakness and inflexibility previously mentioned. The other aspect of optimum healing is reducing inflammation. This can be done with ice, anti-inflammatory medication prescribed by your doctor, and various physical therapy modalities. The last thing you want to do for a sprain is to keep it immobile for weeks and months. Motion helps soft tissue injuries heal the best, immobility is for hard tissue (bone) healing. Again, these are generalizations for typical, simple, non complicated sprains. Hope this is helpful.
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From the photo above, what is the bulge on the left side of his arm below the wrist? Also, why is that area bandaged - did he have another surgery there (in addition to the elbow surgery)?
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I've been a Doctor myself for the past 33 years. Full disclosure though - I'm a Chiropractor, not an Orthopedic surgeon. However, in my years of...
I've been a Doctor myself for the past 33 years. Full disclosure though - I'm a Chiropractor, not an Orthopedic surgeon. However, in my years of practice, I've treated hundreds and hundreds of patients with soft tissue injuries, and I think I can shed a little light on some of the opinions here.

I'm pretty much in total agreement with MD. But, I also have to somewhat agree with the gentleman who generalized that "broken bones are easier to come back from than severe joint dislocations". Here's why I say that: When you are talking about a SIMPLE/UNCOMPLICATED fracture of a long bone - let's say your Humerus (upper arm bone), as long as it's aligned properly and immobilized, it will heal pretty much as strong as it ever was in a couple of months. Again, this is for a very simple, uncomplicated, basic fracture, with no joint, vascular, or neurologic associated damage or complications. Hard tissue (bones) heal very well (as a rule) as long as they are immobilized properly. There are exceptions to this of course, but this is a generalization.

Damaged soft tissue, however, can be a very different story. Soft tissues include muscles, ligaments, and tendons, vessels, etc.. Ligaments are what join two bones together, and tendons join muscle to bone. When we talk about ligaments, you have to realize that they have a very good nerve supply (pain receptors), but not the best blood supply. Anyone who has sprained an ankle knows how painful it can be, and that it takes a long time to heal. And unlike bones, they often don't heal 100%. This is due to inflammation. Inflammation is a normal process, and we need it to keep us alive with such things as infections, etc, but for sprains, it can actually "over-react" and cause problems. When a ligament is injured, inflammation results, and this leads to scar tissue formation. These things called fibroblasts come in to form new tissue. Unfortunately, the new tissue formed isn't the same as the old tissue. It has more nociceptors (pain receptors), is less elastic, and weaker than the normal tissue it replaces as it heals. This can lead the injured area to have chronic pain, less range of motion, and be more easily injured in the future. I know many of you will say you have sprained your ankle before and it feels fine now, but I bet if you looked at the tissue under a microscope, it would be different.

This is why, as a very general rule, I would rather have a simple/uncomplicated fracture as opposed to a severe sprain (ligament damage). Again this is a generalization, and this whole thing is thrown out the window when you change to a comminuted fracture, a fracture into the joint, vascular and neurologic damage, etc, as the good doctor mentioned before. Also, one must realize that when you have a fairly serious fracture / multiple fractures, quite often you have severe ligament and other soft tissue damage along with it. Again, I agree with the good doctor that Ken most likely has some pretty significant ligament damage going on that he hasn't mentioned.

On another note, what can you do for a ligament sprain to help it heal most effectively with the least amount of scar/abnormal tissue? The keys are movement and reducing inflammation. With a bad sprain you'll most likely have to keep it fairly immobile for a day or two. As long as you don't have a very severe injury in which the ligament is totally severed or destroyed, you need to get it moving as soon as possible after the first 48 or so hours. You don't want to force anything - just gentle movement as far as you can tolerate. It may need to be passive movement - such as someone else gently/slowly moving the joint for you. This movement helps align the fibers along their normal lines of function, instead of being laid down in a haphazard/random fashion, which leads to the weakness and inflexibility previously mentioned. The other aspect of optimum healing is reducing inflammation. This can be done with ice, anti-inflammatory medication prescribed by your doctor, and various physical therapy modalities. The last thing you want to do for a sprain is to keep it immobile for weeks and months. Motion helps soft tissue injuries heal the best, immobility is for hard tissue (bone) healing. Again, these are generalizations for typical, simple, non complicated sprains. Hope this is helpful.
Good summary! I for sure was speaking broad general terms, I also wasn't speaking about shattered or splintered bones but man some people jump all over stuff so fast it kinda makes them look dumb.

Roczens original X-rays show how bad the dislocations are and if they displaced for a long time that would make it even worse. I don't think he has meantioned anything about dislocations, ligaments and so forth, those Doctors have been busy worrying about just saving his arm so he can wipe his butt with it, riding will come later.

I really was just speaking from personal experience and I have a bunch of friends and Pro friends that ride. My worst pains come from both shoulders being dislocated so bad that on 3 different occasions I had to have the hospital put the right one back in place.
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I broke my radial head 4 years ago wilst flying over the bars (Left arm) (obviously not nearly as bad as kenny's) I'm pretty damn old...
I broke my radial head 4 years ago wilst flying over the bars (Left arm) (obviously not nearly as bad as kenny's) I'm pretty damn old and i have no ill effects whatsoever from it today.
The guy who jumped on me about playing doctor (which I wasn't trying to do that) just like you, I was commenting from experience.

That guy has probably never broken or severely dislocated anything. If he's a doctor he may have not even ever fallen off the couch!
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I broke my radial head 4 years ago wilst flying over the bars (Left arm) (obviously not nearly as bad as kenny's) I'm pretty damn old...
I broke my radial head 4 years ago wilst flying over the bars (Left arm) (obviously not nearly as bad as kenny's) I'm pretty damn old and i have no ill effects whatsoever from it today.
kkawboy14 wrote:
The guy who jumped on me about playing doctor (which I wasn't trying to do that) just like you, I was commenting from experience. That guy...
The guy who jumped on me about playing doctor (which I wasn't trying to do that) just like you, I was commenting from experience.

That guy has probably never broken or severely dislocated anything. If he's a doctor he may have not even ever fallen off the couch!
yep, real life experience does NOT tell you more about what Kenny is going through (and future state) than a doctors professional opinion....totally agree with you
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4/22/2017 3:58pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2017 3:59pm
I broke my radial head 4 years ago wilst flying over the bars (Left arm) (obviously not nearly as bad as kenny's) I'm pretty damn old...
I broke my radial head 4 years ago wilst flying over the bars (Left arm) (obviously not nearly as bad as kenny's) I'm pretty damn old and i have no ill effects whatsoever from it today.
kkawboy14 wrote:
The guy who jumped on me about playing doctor (which I wasn't trying to do that) just like you, I was commenting from experience. That guy...
The guy who jumped on me about playing doctor (which I wasn't trying to do that) just like you, I was commenting from experience.

That guy has probably never broken or severely dislocated anything. If he's a doctor he may have not even ever fallen off the couch!
12 ribs, pneumothorax, ankle, compression fx in lumbar spine, and about 20 subluxations or dislocations of my left shoulder.

I too have some experience. I also see more acute ortho trauma than most orthopedic surgeons. Smile
4/22/2017 4:04pm Edited Date/Time 7/5/2017 6:54pm
ganny wrote:
It seems crazy to me (a non-medical professional) that they are just now, a month after the injury, discovering the true extent of the damage (i.e...
It seems crazy to me (a non-medical professional) that they are just now, a month after the injury, discovering the true extent of the damage (i.e., the prior x-rays, diagnostics, surgeries, etc. did not reveal the true extent of the damage). I hope that just means more surgeries and recovery time, and not permanent loss of use.

MDMCG wrote:
It's not that simple. From his x-rays, he broke his wrist, distal radius, and likely bones in his elbow. He dislocated his elbow and his ulnar-radius...
It's not that simple. From his x-rays, he broke his wrist, distal radius, and likely bones in his elbow. He dislocated his elbow and his ulnar-radius joint. I'm sure the ligaments in his wrist/URJ/elbow were affected as well. In addition, he was on his way to compartment syndrome which is what lead to his fasciotomy and external fixation.

These things require a stages approach to address the more serious issues first and the less serious issues at a later date.

I for one am rooting for him to get these done and start the rehab process as soon as it's reasonable. I'm sure he and his team is as well.
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This is a motocross forum. we wrote the book on subluxation
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I broke my radial head 4 years ago wilst flying over the bars (Left arm) (obviously not nearly as bad as kenny's) I'm pretty damn old...
I broke my radial head 4 years ago wilst flying over the bars (Left arm) (obviously not nearly as bad as kenny's) I'm pretty damn old and i have no ill effects whatsoever from it today.
kkawboy14 wrote:
The guy who jumped on me about playing doctor (which I wasn't trying to do that) just like you, I was commenting from experience. That guy...
The guy who jumped on me about playing doctor (which I wasn't trying to do that) just like you, I was commenting from experience.

That guy has probably never broken or severely dislocated anything. If he's a doctor he may have not even ever fallen off the couch!
kiwifan wrote:
yep, real life experience does NOT tell you more about what Kenny is going through (and future state) than a doctors professional opinion....totally agree with you
The professionals definetly know more about how much stuff hurts Smile

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