Where did they get the dirt???

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resetjet wrote:
So many retarded answers in this thread who add nothing to the conversation. Pretty much the problem with this forum. Anyway, trust me there is dirt...
So many retarded answers in this thread who add nothing to the conversation. Pretty much the problem with this forum. Anyway, trust me there is dirt nearby that could be brought in and it would not cost millions of dollars. Btw the dirt is very cheap its the trucking thats costs money. Its just bad planning on felds part. Probably the cheapest route. You cannot convince me that in an area like seattle there is no suitable dirt within 200 miles. It prob is mt st helens scalpings.

So i guess its ok to just shorten mains because the dirt wont hold up
Read your original post. You said you don't understand why there is different dirt at each round and why they don't just use the best dirt there is and truck it in. How do you plan on getting the same dirt at every round without insane trucking costs? You said it yourself, it's the trucking that costs money.
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The dirt costs more than it does to pay 40 professional riders to race a supercross.
Yeah, but without the dirt, there would be no show. Bro.






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newmann 4/10/2017 10:46am
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Where did they get the dirt?

Same place Bobby got his water,

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I think this may be what the OP may be referring to.

Arlington dirt was always hard pack and developed bad kickers. They have made a lot of improvements to the dirt here in Arlington over the years. I know for fact that there is some REALLY good dirt locally and some REALLY bad dirt. You can scoot over 5 miles and find premium dirt. What is the marginal difference between using one supply of dirt vs. the other. Some of the tracks look like they put a sign out front asking for "clean fill" and all the local trucks just dump whatever they're trying to get rid of.

Oakland had rebar and concrete chunks in the dirt.

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I think this may be what the OP may be referring to. Arlington dirt was always hard pack and developed bad kickers. They have made a...
I think this may be what the OP may be referring to.

Arlington dirt was always hard pack and developed bad kickers. They have made a lot of improvements to the dirt here in Arlington over the years. I know for fact that there is some REALLY good dirt locally and some REALLY bad dirt. You can scoot over 5 miles and find premium dirt. What is the marginal difference between using one supply of dirt vs. the other. Some of the tracks look like they put a sign out front asking for "clean fill" and all the local trucks just dump whatever they're trying to get rid of.

Oakland had rebar and concrete chunks in the dirt.
It could be a lot. It depends. You have to remember that there are 17 rounds in very different areas with different soil conditions. As an example, around here on the eastern seaboard, you would have to actually make suitable dirt by mixing soils, as there are not any source available with 100 miles or so that would work. It would be very expensive.

Just saying "we are going to get primo dirt" isn't really viable. They have to do the best they can and gradually work on it over the years to improve the product
jorgechavez 4/10/2017 11:20am
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I would rather see the dirt get chewed up and rutty than it be like Detroit where they are spinning on basically glass. Hard pack makes it boring and one lined, the ruts allow for some passing.
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I think it came from here.

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I think they should also figure out which one is the best built stadium, you know like best view, best parking lot, best bathrooms, etc, and move that to every city each weekend.
It should not cost that much in the grand scheme of things
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Yeah, the usual clay would've worked great in an open stadium in the NW........It has pretty much rained non-stop around here since October. The needed to use a sandy mix to handle the moisture which also equals ruts. All thing considered I though it held up and raced extremely well..............There is a whole 'nother argument about open stadiums and spring races in notoriously wet areas but that's kinda beside the point........
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resetjet wrote:
So many retarded answers in this thread who add nothing to the conversation. Pretty much the problem with this forum. Anyway, trust me there is dirt...
So many retarded answers in this thread who add nothing to the conversation. Pretty much the problem with this forum. Anyway, trust me there is dirt nearby that could be brought in and it would not cost millions of dollars. Btw the dirt is very cheap its the trucking thats costs money. Its just bad planning on felds part. Probably the cheapest route. You cannot convince me that in an area like seattle there is no suitable dirt within 200 miles. It prob is mt st helens scalpings.

So i guess its ok to just shorten mains because the dirt wont hold up
When you start at ridiculous, it's usually all downhill from there. Smile
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resetjet wrote:
So many retarded answers in this thread who add nothing to the conversation. Pretty much the problem with this forum. Anyway, trust me there is dirt...
So many retarded answers in this thread who add nothing to the conversation. Pretty much the problem with this forum. Anyway, trust me there is dirt nearby that could be brought in and it would not cost millions of dollars. Btw the dirt is very cheap its the trucking thats costs money. Its just bad planning on felds part. Probably the cheapest route. You cannot convince me that in an area like seattle there is no suitable dirt within 200 miles. It prob is mt st helens scalpings.

So i guess its ok to just shorten mains because the dirt wont hold up
The only thing retarded is your original post.
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It looks exactly like the stuff that blew out of Mt St. Helen 30 some odd years ago....there is a lot of it that got cleaned...
It looks exactly like the stuff that blew out of Mt St. Helen 30 some odd years ago....there is a lot of it that got cleaned up and piled around that area...no joke.
I agree it looked a lot like volcano dirt. In fact, there is actually a track on the road to Mt. St Helens called Riverdale, it is pretty much the only track that you can ride year round, and it's because of the weird volcano ash/dirt. The water sort of soaks through it instead of getting clumpy. For an outside race, in Seattle, in April, it was probably the best choice. The clay up here is not good to ride on in the winter.

I have no idea where they got it. The bright gear and bikes contrasted the grey so much it almost looked like some sort of photoshop or special effects. Maybe next year they can strain some of the rocks out of it if they decide to go that route again. That's also a pretty standard procedure at a lot of tracks up here because the terrain is so rocky.

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resetjet wrote:
So many retarded answers in this thread who add nothing to the conversation. Pretty much the problem with this forum. Anyway, trust me there is dirt...
So many retarded answers in this thread who add nothing to the conversation. Pretty much the problem with this forum. Anyway, trust me there is dirt nearby that could be brought in and it would not cost millions of dollars. Btw the dirt is very cheap its the trucking thats costs money. Its just bad planning on felds part. Probably the cheapest route. You cannot convince me that in an area like seattle there is no suitable dirt within 200 miles. It prob is mt st helens scalpings.

So i guess its ok to just shorten mains because the dirt wont hold up
How do you know how other types of dirt would have handled that much rainfall?
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Frodad78 4/10/2017 2:18pm
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I know its not confirmed if the dirt came from the Bertha drilling project but man...I just looked into that. What a feat of engineering that drill and project was.
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When your wife says geez what is wrong with the dirt at first glance you know there is a problem.

I think they lease the dirt in some cases. I would guess its a low bidder type situation one way or another, hence the rebar and concrete chunks.

Anyway i assume that baseball fields in seattle have red clay on them and not volcano ash. Somehow they afford it.

And i guess i need to get in the dirt moving business if guys are getting $1 per yard per mile.
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I'm sorry your wife didn't approve, but I really liked watching the best in the world struggle with the track. I hope they use the same dirt next year, and go the full 20 + 1.
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resetjet wrote:
When your wife says geez what is wrong with the dirt at first glance you know there is a problem. I think they lease the dirt...
When your wife says geez what is wrong with the dirt at first glance you know there is a problem.

I think they lease the dirt in some cases. I would guess its a low bidder type situation one way or another, hence the rebar and concrete chunks.

Anyway i assume that baseball fields in seattle have red clay on them and not volcano ash. Somehow they afford it.

And i guess i need to get in the dirt moving business if guys are getting $1 per yard per mile.
Man, baseball mix is 30 bucks a yard for just the material. No loading or trucking.

Trucking dirt is about .60 or .70 a mile, actually, but you aren't gonna get rich doing it. The money is in handling it on each end.

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Tracktor wrote:
Yeah, the usual clay would've worked great in an open stadium in the NW........It has pretty much rained non-stop around here since October. The needed to...
Yeah, the usual clay would've worked great in an open stadium in the NW........It has pretty much rained non-stop around here since October. The needed to use a sandy mix to handle the moisture which also equals ruts. All thing considered I though it held up and raced extremely well..............There is a whole 'nother argument about open stadiums and spring races in notoriously wet areas but that's kinda beside the point........
this sums it up PERFECT!!! I live 45 mins from seattle. it snowed at our house 13 times this year which ended mid march. since then its been pretty much rain almost every day. this has been a wet year up here. I thought it was pretty dang good. I can tell you this a lot of people were more disappointed with how the event went. 3 things in general. !) worst opening ceremonies ive ever seen and the crowd reaction showed it. there was no reason to cut down the time in the mains. after 2pm there was no rain all day and no threat of it ether, and they could have run both practice sessions but instead they more worried about pressure washing tuf blocks for tv and adding water back into the track. on a good note its good the weather got better because if it had been bad I don't think the indoor pits could handle the foot traffic even though I really liked it
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Its from Mt. St. Helens. There is so much of that still in piles they dredged from the rivers and lakes.
JustPuttinAround 4/10/2017 5:28pm
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I liked it...That dirt (in part) made for some interesting racing.
Besides, if it makes The Dunge run handguards, what's the bad part??Tongue
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resetjet wrote:
When your wife says geez what is wrong with the dirt at first glance you know there is a problem. I think they lease the dirt...
When your wife says geez what is wrong with the dirt at first glance you know there is a problem.

I think they lease the dirt in some cases. I would guess its a low bidder type situation one way or another, hence the rebar and concrete chunks.

Anyway i assume that baseball fields in seattle have red clay on them and not volcano ash. Somehow they afford it.

And i guess i need to get in the dirt moving business if guys are getting $1 per yard per mile.
Yeah pro baseball clubs gotta watch their money, their average player salary is almost as much as the highest paid mx riders. And if you are talking about recreation fields you only need 1/10th the amount or for a diamond and you only have to haul it once.

The race was fine. I wish they woulda went 20 minutes in the main and the dirt would have held up but they made a call early in the day and stuck with it. Im surprised nobodys complaining because the riders dont train for 17 minute mains!

If you didnt like that dirt come to ohio and ride on some of the glacier clay base under the topsoil after a good spring rainstorm. Shit will make you cry.
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The bad part for me was cutting the race short and alot of the stuff was just rounded over. Maybe the track was much wetter then it appeared on tv. These days though if its not pouring on race day they do pretty good by covering it up. Remember cali earlier in the season.

I guess my point was that i hear the racers say they love the atlanta clay, hate the cali concrete etc....and i realize different dirt makes for better racing for us. However when you cut a race short and the dirt is just funny looking, you have to ask questions.
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Its from Mt. St. Helens. There is so much of that still in piles they dredged from the rivers and lakes.
Huh? I doubt any of that was from anywhere near Mt St Helens..........

There's quite a few places much closer and much easier to get to than venturing that far south. Just the developments between Issaquah and North Bend would be fairly easy.

I still think some of it was likely from the tunnel and they used it before barging it over across the Sound. Just too convenient, and might have been able to store it over the winter down south of the stadiums, Harbor Island, etc.
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Frodad78 wrote:
I know its not confirmed if the dirt came from the Bertha drilling project but man...I just looked into that. What a feat of engineering that...
I know its not confirmed if the dirt came from the Bertha drilling project but man...I just looked into that. What a feat of engineering that drill and project was.
There were a lot of naysayers about that thing initially, and when it broke down early into the project they had a field day with it.

But in the end it worked out pretty well, if late. It's going to help traffic and congestion in the long run. I don't live on that side anymore, but I definitely support the efforts to make the general Seattle area more transit friendly and to reduce the nightmares like the 405 corridor. Light rail is expensive up front, but the sooner that region gets it rolled out fully the better!

Heck, I'd even support a statewide funding scheme for transit from the Everett to Tacoma corridor along with the 405 area, because in the end it helps make getting my product to ports that much easier and helps reduce traffic so tourists can come support my neighbors more! Not everyone on this side of the mountains looks that far ahead, though......
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If the Dirt is so expensive to buy
Why cant they just Rent some nice black dirt from an excavation company
And give it back ?
Not bring it around thr country
But rent it in each state
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The dirt had the appearance of St Helens ash because of all the lime that was used to help dry things up. The seats where I was at were covered with the stuff .Musta been a fun task in all the wind.Say what you want about the track conditions,the racing was exciting!!
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APLMAN99 4/10/2017 8:16pm
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Tarz483 wrote:
If the Dirt is so expensive to buy Why cant they just Rent some nice black dirt from an excavation company And give it back...
If the Dirt is so expensive to buy
Why cant they just Rent some nice black dirt from an excavation company
And give it back ?
Not bring it around thr country
But rent it in each state
You might could in some places, but in a place with a decent chance of moisture (Seattle) you stand a decent chance of destroying the tilth of the soil. What you return to the "rental company" likely isn't going to be the same stuff as you received. Once tilth is altered, it isn't likely to be the same in any of our lifetimes.

If you've ever taken a soils class, one of the first "experiments" that you do is to throw some soil in a test tube or beaker. Shake it up for a bit and pretty soon you'll see strata forming with separations between the sand, silt, and clay. Once those separations occur, you could till and disc all you want but you'll never return it to it's previous form/tilth.

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