Official: Chad Reed has been Penalized and Fined

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4/3/2017 6:08pm
socalxr wrote:
My thoughts exactly.

Dungey had no chance at passing Tomac no matter what. The only way he can beat Marvin is if Roger pays him.
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4/3/2017 6:08pm
I'd rather them take the time to go back, review the situation, and THEN make a ruling rather than make an immediate impulsive decision like they've...
I'd rather them take the time to go back, review the situation, and THEN make a ruling rather than make an immediate impulsive decision like they've done in the past.
In most situations, I'd agree. However the AMA rules say that if a rider is ignoring the blue flags he/she will be black flagged.
That's the rule. I wouldn't have been pissed if Reed got black flagged, it's the rule.
But let's be honest, he got punished because Dungey refused to force a pass. Dungey fully expected Reed to pull over instead of finding away around the old guy. Now Dungey wins, for starting shit in the first place.

Atleast the punishment isn't a big deal. Reed isn't in the championship hunt, and he won't miss 5K. It's just the point of it pisses me off.
4/3/2017 6:09pm
Bennett181 wrote:
What Reed did wasn't right but this penalty is bull shit. Yes Reed didn't move (He held his line) But Dungey just followed him. Shit if...
What Reed did wasn't right but this penalty is bull shit.

Yes Reed didn't move (He held his line) But Dungey just followed him.
Shit if he's not moving you figure that out after a few corners, Push Reed
out of the way and chase Tomac. Its what any other rider would have done.
burnside wrote:
He's lapping Reed FFS, he shouldn't have to consider any of the above. We all know the potocol when your getting lapped; get the fuck out...
He's lapping Reed FFS, he shouldn't have to consider any of the above.

We all know the potocol when your getting lapped; get the fuck out of the way. And when theres a championship battle in progress, get the fuck out of the way even faster.

Im a fan too, but theres no defending this one.
Like i said, what reed did wasn't right. I know the rule and he should have moved

But Dungey would have figured it out after 3 or 4 corners "ok reeds not gunna move".
Man up and move reed out of the way. do you want this championship or not.
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Reed fan here, no issues with the penalty, he deserved it. Right or wrong I still don't blame him for doing it though, Dungey is a whiny little bitch. I'm sure that Chad knows what he did was not right either, and I'm sure he'll admit it at some point, at the same time telling everybody why he did it.
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Ha! Chad gets fined $ and points, yet Craig and Osborne can ram riders off the track, causing them to be injured, and get docked no points. Got it. "But Dungey would've passed him bro!" Please, Dungey hasn't passed Tomac ONE TIME all season.
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4/3/2017 6:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2017 6:18pm
moscrop940 wrote:
Chad didn't ride crazy, he held his line...if Dungey is so much faster it shouldn't have been an issue. What I do love though is Dunge...
Chad didn't ride crazy, he held his line...if Dungey is so much faster it shouldn't have been an issue.

What I do love though is Dunge made his comment on the podium, Chad didn't say shit, didn't get all tough on twitter, but he SHOWED Dungey how he felt....nothing wrong with that.

Something to be said for no talk and all action in a generation full of snowflakes
resetjet wrote:
X2

Markee wrote:
Hell yeah
Obviously Dungey was faster, he was battling for the lead while Chad was battling for 16th. Last time I checked, dungey is currently winning the championship and reed is in...... I don't even know, 10th or 12th maybe? I have no idea because he's been irrelevant all year.

Chad didn't get tough on Twitter because he got his Peter slapped by someone and had to go inactive for a while. Which basically tells me he was being a jack ass there too and had to take a break.

Chad sure showed how tough he was, getting lapped, magically upping his pace 2 seconds a lap faster while Dungey was behind him (why didn't mister tough guy go that fast all race long and finish better?) and impeding an actual championship contenders race. Do you know how hard it is to pass a professional on a supercross track? Any lapper could easily end a leaders night if they wanted. The fact is, most guys out there are better than that.

I will say this though, considering Reed has been irrelevant all year he did need to do something to get back in the spotlight. It's only fitting that he chose a championship contender that is highly respected in the pits and is without a doubt one of the cleanest riders out there. Maybe Chad should have taken on the knight and shining armour role and take out barcia or freise? That would have at least given him a little bit of the spotlight.

Edit since internet people aren't good at sarcasm, those last few sentences are sarcasm. I wouldn't want to see Chad take freise or barcia out.
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Maybe it's just because I'm Australian, but I really feel this is all overblown. The punishment seems fair enough, but the reaction is weird.

I don't know about you guys, but I never saw Reed block Dungey in any way. There were times when Dungey would drop more than a second back behind Reed. It didn't look like a blocker intentionally taking away better lines from a faster rider, it looked like someone struggling to pass someone not much slower than them.

Someone said before that those three laps were Reed's fastest. I don't doubt that, and I don't doubt that he sped up in order to keep in front of Dungey. But he was just riding. Riding faster, and therefore Dungey found it hard to pass him. He did it for a bit of payback for sure, but that's not the same as intentionally blocking a faster rider.

Lappers aren't obliged to pump out slow laps. They're obliged to stay out of the way, they're not obliged to get passed.

Just like the Stewart situation last year, massively overblown.
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Fair call by AMA/FIM Smile we can all move on now....er...well most of us will
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Sweet so it's $5000 fines and loss of points now everytime a lapper gets in the way?, the AMA should be raking it in from now on, after all we hear about lappers ignoring the blue flags every week. Or do they have different rules for different riders.
4/3/2017 6:19pm
MX690 wrote:
Sweet so it's $5000 fines and loss of points now everytime a lapper gets in the way?, the AMA should be raking it in from now...
Sweet so it's $5000 fines and loss of points now everytime a lapper gets in the way?, the AMA should be raking it in from now on, after all we hear about lappers ignoring the blue flags every week. Or do they have different rules for different riders.
Exactly, By doing this AMA has set the standard!
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agn5009 wrote:
Obviously Dungey was faster, he was battling for the lead while Chad was battling for 16th. Last time I checked, dungey is currently winning the championship...
Obviously Dungey was faster, he was battling for the lead while Chad was battling for 16th. Last time I checked, dungey is currently winning the championship and reed is in...... I don't even know, 10th or 12th maybe? I have no idea because he's been irrelevant all year.

Chad didn't get tough on Twitter because he got his Peter slapped by someone and had to go inactive for a while. Which basically tells me he was being a jack ass there too and had to take a break.

Chad sure showed how tough he was, getting lapped, magically upping his pace 2 seconds a lap faster while Dungey was behind him (why didn't mister tough guy go that fast all race long and finish better?) and impeding an actual championship contenders race. Do you know how hard it is to pass a professional on a supercross track? Any lapper could easily end a leaders night if they wanted. The fact is, most guys out there are better than that.

I will say this though, considering Reed has been irrelevant all year he did need to do something to get back in the spotlight. It's only fitting that he chose a championship contender that is highly respected in the pits and is without a doubt one of the cleanest riders out there. Maybe Chad should have taken on the knight and shining armour role and take out barcia or freise? That would have at least given him a little bit of the spotlight.

Edit since internet people aren't good at sarcasm, those last few sentences are sarcasm. I wouldn't want to see Chad take freise or barcia out.
Ironic, you're sitting behind a keyboard calling someone else a tough guy. Dude you're a bad ass.
4/3/2017 6:21pm
MX690 wrote:
Sweet so it's $5000 fines and loss of points now everytime a lapper gets in the way?, the AMA should be raking it in from now...
Sweet so it's $5000 fines and loss of points now everytime a lapper gets in the way?, the AMA should be raking it in from now on, after all we hear about lappers ignoring the blue flags every week. Or do they have different rules for different riders.
Bennett181 wrote:
Exactly, By doing this AMA has set the standard!
There is no standard unfortunately.
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Myself and family used to be a Reed fan but no more.
Glad the AMA did something but this is weak.
Reed's crime is not refusing to yield the racing line when being lapped. What Reed did was cheat maybe one million fans viewing the race of watching what we have been waiting all season for. ET and RD going bar to bar fighting for the championship. Its what race fans hope all season to see, and Reeds childish selfishness stole that away from all of us.
It hurt our sport.
Reed should be suspended for 3 races for his 3 laps of self centered actions.

If Reed was pissed at Dungy and punched him in the face between heat races, I would have no problem with it. I would still be a Reed fan. But when he decided to take away what could have been the seasons best battle from us, he told all of us to F*** Off.
So F*** you to Reed.
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agn5009 wrote:
Marvin didn't drop an anchor. If you honestly believe that then you're a complete moron who realistically doesn't deserve a response. Chad didn't do this because...
Marvin didn't drop an anchor. If you honestly believe that then you're a complete moron who realistically doesn't deserve a response.

Chad didn't do this because of monster. He did it because he was pissed at Dungey. If you honestly think he did this to benefit Tomac then again, you're a complete moron.
socalxr wrote:
HAHAHAHA! If you don't think Marvin dropped an anchor, you are the complete moron and blind.
agn5009 wrote:
Prove it then. Prove that Marvin was capable of running Tomacs speed like Dungey was. You can't, because it's totally false. Dungey reeled Marvin in last...
Prove it then. Prove that Marvin was capable of running Tomacs speed like Dungey was. You can't, because it's totally false. Dungey reeled Marvin in last week after a horrible start. Marvin has beat dungey what, about 5 times in his whole entire career and you want to sit here and accuse him of dropping the anchor for Dungeys championship hopes? Get real man, you are absolutely a complete moron.
Prove it man. Prove Marvin couldn't run the pace and he was maxed out on effort and speed
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agn5009 wrote:
Obviously Dungey was faster, he was battling for the lead while Chad was battling for 16th. Last time I checked, dungey is currently winning the championship...
Obviously Dungey was faster, he was battling for the lead while Chad was battling for 16th. Last time I checked, dungey is currently winning the championship and reed is in...... I don't even know, 10th or 12th maybe? I have no idea because he's been irrelevant all year.

Chad didn't get tough on Twitter because he got his Peter slapped by someone and had to go inactive for a while. Which basically tells me he was being a jack ass there too and had to take a break.

Chad sure showed how tough he was, getting lapped, magically upping his pace 2 seconds a lap faster while Dungey was behind him (why didn't mister tough guy go that fast all race long and finish better?) and impeding an actual championship contenders race. Do you know how hard it is to pass a professional on a supercross track? Any lapper could easily end a leaders night if they wanted. The fact is, most guys out there are better than that.

I will say this though, considering Reed has been irrelevant all year he did need to do something to get back in the spotlight. It's only fitting that he chose a championship contender that is highly respected in the pits and is without a doubt one of the cleanest riders out there. Maybe Chad should have taken on the knight and shining armour role and take out barcia or freise? That would have at least given him a little bit of the spotlight.

Edit since internet people aren't good at sarcasm, those last few sentences are sarcasm. I wouldn't want to see Chad take freise or barcia out.
MX690 wrote:
Ironic, you're sitting behind a keyboard calling someone else a tough guy. Dude you're a bad ass.
I don't claim to be a tough guy. You have an interesting standard for measuring tough guys. I guess tough guys don't use the internet. So basically by your standard only the homeless are actually tough guys? Interesting. I learn something new on the internet every day.
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kiwifan wrote:
Fair call by AMA/FIM Smile we can all move on now....er...well most of us will
The only real crime here is a grown man, on a mostly male moto forum, repeatedly using smile emojis.
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agn5009 wrote:
Obviously Dungey was faster, he was battling for the lead while Chad was battling for 16th. Last time I checked, dungey is currently winning the championship...
Obviously Dungey was faster, he was battling for the lead while Chad was battling for 16th. Last time I checked, dungey is currently winning the championship and reed is in...... I don't even know, 10th or 12th maybe? I have no idea because he's been irrelevant all year.

Chad didn't get tough on Twitter because he got his Peter slapped by someone and had to go inactive for a while. Which basically tells me he was being a jack ass there too and had to take a break.

Chad sure showed how tough he was, getting lapped, magically upping his pace 2 seconds a lap faster while Dungey was behind him (why didn't mister tough guy go that fast all race long and finish better?) and impeding an actual championship contenders race. Do you know how hard it is to pass a professional on a supercross track? Any lapper could easily end a leaders night if they wanted. The fact is, most guys out there are better than that.

I will say this though, considering Reed has been irrelevant all year he did need to do something to get back in the spotlight. It's only fitting that he chose a championship contender that is highly respected in the pits and is without a doubt one of the cleanest riders out there. Maybe Chad should have taken on the knight and shining armour role and take out barcia or freise? That would have at least given him a little bit of the spotlight.

Edit since internet people aren't good at sarcasm, those last few sentences are sarcasm. I wouldn't want to see Chad take freise or barcia out.
MX690 wrote:
Ironic, you're sitting behind a keyboard calling someone else a tough guy. Dude you're a bad ass.
agn5009 wrote:
I don't claim to be a tough guy. You have an interesting standard for measuring tough guys. I guess tough guys don't use the internet. So...
I don't claim to be a tough guy. You have an interesting standard for measuring tough guys. I guess tough guys don't use the internet. So basically by your standard only the homeless are actually tough guys? Interesting. I learn something new on the internet every day.
Oh boy. Man, you have traveled pretty far out on the limb man. Back it up.
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From the Rule book for all of those saying "They can't do that":

Rule Book Appendix A part A1(c-f)

c. The Race Director has the competence to pronounce sanctions against riders, team staff, officials, promoters/organizers and all the persons involved in any capacity whatsoever in an event or in the Championship.

d. The Race Director may pronounce the following penalties.
1. Warning
2. Fine
3. Lap deductions or finishing position deductions
4. Time and/or point penalties
5. Disqualification
6. Suspension
7. Probation not exceeding 12 months from the date of offence

e. Penalties incurred prior to a red flag will be assessed at the completion of the race, not during he the re-start.

f. The Race Director will always attempt to levy all penalties the day of the race. Under some circumstances it may be necessary to take more time to review all evidence and official video to make a final decision. All penalties from the Race Director must be levied by 5pm eastern standard time the Monday after the race. Under special circumstances, including but not limited to, fuel testing, anti-doping or a need to impound a motorcycle or parts, the Race Director may defer to the AMA to make a ruling outside of that timeframe.

And part A2 section c:

c. The following offenses will be subject to disciplinary action by the Race Director and/or the competent bodies. This list is provided as guidance to licensed competitors and event credential holders but does not restrict AMA from invoking penalties for other actions detrimental to the sport that are not specifically contemplated herein.
. . .
15. Failing to immediately respect and comply with operational or warning flags/lights or other signals from racing officials.
. . .
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socalxr wrote:
HAHAHAHA! If you don't think Marvin dropped an anchor, you are the complete moron and blind.
agn5009 wrote:
Prove it then. Prove that Marvin was capable of running Tomacs speed like Dungey was. You can't, because it's totally false. Dungey reeled Marvin in last...
Prove it then. Prove that Marvin was capable of running Tomacs speed like Dungey was. You can't, because it's totally false. Dungey reeled Marvin in last week after a horrible start. Marvin has beat dungey what, about 5 times in his whole entire career and you want to sit here and accuse him of dropping the anchor for Dungeys championship hopes? Get real man, you are absolutely a complete moron.
rutcross wrote:
Prove it man. Prove Marvin couldn't run the pace and he was maxed out on effort and speed
1. Tomac
2. Dungey
3. Musquin

That's the proof right there.

Now prove that Marvin could run the pace of Dungey and Tomac. Because it's rarely been done. You have no good argument because there isn't one. Believe what you want, go ahead and call Marvin a liar because he was asked that exact question at the press conference.
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Dungey should be more pissed at AMA/FIM for not doing their job, they MAY HAVE cost him the win, or maybe it could've been a historic battle to watch, we'll never know, I hope the AMA/FIM will put the crosshairs on Barcia, just a matter of time before he get's someone seriously hurt.
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To be fair, he did run into REED during this incident
4/3/2017 6:32pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2017 6:52pm
Wow they got something right, good work AMA.

Now, what if he did it again this weekend, just another 5k fine and dock his points? Or would the penalty get much more severe?
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agn5009 wrote:
Prove it then. Prove that Marvin was capable of running Tomacs speed like Dungey was. You can't, because it's totally false. Dungey reeled Marvin in last...
Prove it then. Prove that Marvin was capable of running Tomacs speed like Dungey was. You can't, because it's totally false. Dungey reeled Marvin in last week after a horrible start. Marvin has beat dungey what, about 5 times in his whole entire career and you want to sit here and accuse him of dropping the anchor for Dungeys championship hopes? Get real man, you are absolutely a complete moron.
rutcross wrote:
Prove it man. Prove Marvin couldn't run the pace and he was maxed out on effort and speed
agn5009 wrote:
1. Tomac 2. Dungey 3. Musquin That's the proof right there. Now prove that Marvin could run the pace of Dungey and Tomac. Because it's rarely...
1. Tomac
2. Dungey
3. Musquin

That's the proof right there.

Now prove that Marvin could run the pace of Dungey and Tomac. Because it's rarely been done. You have no good argument because there isn't one. Believe what you want, go ahead and call Marvin a liar because he was asked that exact question at the press conference.
Proof. How about logic or facts. Last four rounds Marvin has beaten and has had Dungey covered in practice, heats and mains.
This past Saturday, Marvin easily matched dungeys speed in the heat. Closed in on him then backed off, closed in on him backed up. Did that the whole heat. Very clear that he wasn't going to pass dunge. Emig even commented on it. Beginning of the main, it was clear Marvin had the pace. Showing dunge a wheel and clearly riding his back wheel. Once Marvin realized he had 4th place covered he backed off and let dunge race forward.
That's what I saw and believe happened. I'm sure many respectable "insiders" will agree. Let's see what keefer says tonight on pulp.
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kiwifan wrote:
Fair call by AMA/FIM Smile we can all move on now....er...well most of us will
rutcross wrote:
The only real crime here is a grown man, on a mostly male moto forum, repeatedly using smile emojis.
Put the insecurities away Laughing
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agn5009 wrote:
1. Tomac 2. Dungey 3. Musquin That's the proof right there. Now prove that Marvin could run the pace of Dungey and Tomac. Because it's rarely...
1. Tomac
2. Dungey
3. Musquin

That's the proof right there.

Now prove that Marvin could run the pace of Dungey and Tomac. Because it's rarely been done. You have no good argument because there isn't one. Believe what you want, go ahead and call Marvin a liar because he was asked that exact question at the press conference.
And also. Calm the fuck down bro. Jesus, it all doesn't really matter. They are lining up again Saturday. Either way your life will not be better or worse, no matter who wins the championship
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4/3/2017 6:38pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2017 7:59pm
It took Dungey 7+ laps to pass Milspas 2 weeks ago. Guess you guys forgot about that lol
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rutcross wrote:
Prove it man. Prove Marvin couldn't run the pace and he was maxed out on effort and speed
agn5009 wrote:
1. Tomac 2. Dungey 3. Musquin That's the proof right there. Now prove that Marvin could run the pace of Dungey and Tomac. Because it's rarely...
1. Tomac
2. Dungey
3. Musquin

That's the proof right there.

Now prove that Marvin could run the pace of Dungey and Tomac. Because it's rarely been done. You have no good argument because there isn't one. Believe what you want, go ahead and call Marvin a liar because he was asked that exact question at the press conference.
rutcross wrote:
Proof. How about logic or facts. Last four rounds Marvin has beaten and has had Dungey covered in practice, heats and mains. This past Saturday, Marvin...
Proof. How about logic or facts. Last four rounds Marvin has beaten and has had Dungey covered in practice, heats and mains.
This past Saturday, Marvin easily matched dungeys speed in the heat. Closed in on him then backed off, closed in on him backed up. Did that the whole heat. Very clear that he wasn't going to pass dunge. Emig even commented on it. Beginning of the main, it was clear Marvin had the pace. Showing dunge a wheel and clearly riding his back wheel. Once Marvin realized he had 4th place covered he backed off and let dunge race forward.
That's what I saw and believe happened. I'm sure many respectable "insiders" will agree. Let's see what keefer says tonight on pulp.
Do you realize how many guys look good in practice and don't finish well in the main? I believe barcia was 3rd in practice. Where'd he finish in the main? Like I said, go ahead and call Marvin a liar. As GuyB previously stated, Marvin falling off late in the race may have been the result of him hitting the cement earlier in the day. Also, do you believe that Tomac let up since Dungey pulled within 1.4 seconds of him? Do you think Tomac was intentionally trying to keep the race close? Does it not make sense to you that maybe Dungey was just riding really well since he was matching Tomacs pace? That's the one point you simply won't acknowledge; Dungey matching Tomacs pace.

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