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Detroit 450 Main Event

1. Eli Tomac (Kawasaki)
2. Marvin Musquin (KTM)
3. Ryan Dungey (KTM)
4. Blake Baggett (KTM)
5. Davi Millsaps (KTM)
6. Jason Anderson (Husqvarna)
7. Broc Tickle (Suzuki)
8. Josh Grant (Kawasaki)
9. Dean Wilson (Husqvarna)
10. Cole Seely (Honda)
11. Trey Canard (KTM)

1 Honda @ 10

KTM and Husky winning this marketing war !

Good ride ELI fastest rider in AMA SX at the moment.
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Moens_Andy 3/26/2017 6:49am
3/26/2017 6:49am
VRR7 wrote:
Detroit 450 Main Event 1. Eli Tomac (Kawasaki) 2. Marvin Musquin (KTM) 3. Ryan Dungey (KTM) 4. Blake Baggett (KTM) 5. Davi Millsaps (KTM) 6. Jason...
Detroit 450 Main Event

1. Eli Tomac (Kawasaki)
2. Marvin Musquin (KTM)
3. Ryan Dungey (KTM)
4. Blake Baggett (KTM)
5. Davi Millsaps (KTM)
6. Jason Anderson (Husqvarna)
7. Broc Tickle (Suzuki)
8. Josh Grant (Kawasaki)
9. Dean Wilson (Husqvarna)
10. Cole Seely (Honda)
11. Trey Canard (KTM)

1 Honda @ 10

KTM and Husky winning this marketing war !

Good ride ELI fastest rider in AMA SX at the moment.
You do realise that Seely is hired to be in the top 10 consistently and have an occasional podium night. You do realise that HRC lost there race horse Kenny early in the season. And if anyone is winning a marketing war its Kawasaki at this moment nobody cares about second true 10th in Marketing the WINNER is what counts the most all the rest are forgotten within a few weeks. I know for a fact that i don't know who was second or third 4 races ago without looking it up but i know Tomac won that race on a kawasaki.
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Acidreamer 3/26/2017 6:52am
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Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by far
2WheelsForTheMasses 3/26/2017 8:06am
3/26/2017 8:06am
Acidreamer wrote:
Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by...
Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by far
Won what more than others?

Andy_Greenney 3/26/2017 8:10am
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doghouse 3/26/2017 8:13am
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Acidreamer wrote:
Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by...
Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by far
They aren't even close to catching them yet.
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visser62 3/26/2017 8:28am
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You do realise that Seely is hired to be in the top 10 consistently and have an occasional podium night. You do realise that HRC lost...
You do realise that Seely is hired to be in the top 10 consistently and have an occasional podium night. You do realise that HRC lost there race horse Kenny early in the season. And if anyone is winning a marketing war its Kawasaki at this moment nobody cares about second true 10th in Marketing the WINNER is what counts the most all the rest are forgotten within a few weeks. I know for a fact that i don't know who was second or third 4 races ago without looking it up but i know Tomac won that race on a kawasaki.
Seely is NOT hired to be just top ten. And marketing is not just about the winner.
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Arni 3/26/2017 10:05am
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I guess we'll have to wait for Gaiser.
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BobPA 3/26/2017 10:11am
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Acidreamer wrote:
Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by...
Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by far
doghouse wrote:
They aren't even close to catching them yet.
Yeah they have far surpassed them, Honda has not won anything in the off-road department for years Whistling .
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imoto34 3/26/2017 10:14am
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Acidreamer wrote:
Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by...
Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by far
Put down the acid, bro.
jorgechavez 3/26/2017 10:30am
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In plenty of ways KTM has broken through to the American market and are definitely on par with the Japanese bikes but there is definitely still people who will not go near a KTM due to bad experiences with them prior. Obviously the same can said for any Japanese bike, too, but I actually hear quite a bit of people talking how they would never buy a KTM.
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kkawboy14 3/26/2017 11:21am
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Suzuki had the most bikes in the main.
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VRR7 wrote:
Detroit 450 Main Event 1. Eli Tomac (Kawasaki) 2. Marvin Musquin (KTM) 3. Ryan Dungey (KTM) 4. Blake Baggett (KTM) 5. Davi Millsaps (KTM) 6. Jason...
Detroit 450 Main Event

1. Eli Tomac (Kawasaki)
2. Marvin Musquin (KTM)
3. Ryan Dungey (KTM)
4. Blake Baggett (KTM)
5. Davi Millsaps (KTM)
6. Jason Anderson (Husqvarna)
7. Broc Tickle (Suzuki)
8. Josh Grant (Kawasaki)
9. Dean Wilson (Husqvarna)
10. Cole Seely (Honda)
11. Trey Canard (KTM)

1 Honda @ 10

KTM and Husky winning this marketing war !

Good ride ELI fastest rider in AMA SX at the moment.
How quickly you forget -

Honda and Roczen's sign press video, KR suit press conference, KR showing up in a NSX.
Dirty Points 3/26/2017 11:55am
3/26/2017 11:55am
Acidreamer wrote:
Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by...
Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by far
doghouse wrote:
They aren't even close to catching them yet.
BobPA wrote:
Yeah they have far surpassed them, Honda has not won anything in the off-road department for years Whistling .
Baja.
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doghouse 3/26/2017 1:07pm
3/26/2017 1:07pm Edited Date/Time 3/26/2017 1:08pm
Acidreamer wrote:
Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by...
Personally i think ktm and husk are just catching up to homda and kawasaki. Those 2 brands have won more than any of the others by far
doghouse wrote:
They aren't even close to catching them yet.
BobPA wrote:
Yeah they have far surpassed them, Honda has not won anything in the off-road department for years Whistling .
KTM still have to win everything for the next 20 years just to be even in win totals
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Zr0man 3/26/2017 1:11pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Baja.
Only when Kawasaki bailed on Baja.
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kiwifan 3/26/2017 1:57pm
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Funny, if Roczen hadnt of got injured then this thread would no exist....but anyway sure HRC have to be gutted that they lost Roczen who had won every main before getting injured, and Seely is not preforming to his and their dreams but shit happens.

They are probably happy that Kawasaki is a big threat to the title than KTM IF indeed they even care about KTM's results. No one knows how they feel except for themselves, certainly not anyone on Vital.

With Martin, Gajser, Roczen on the team for 2018 then perhaps we will see more wins and Hondas in the top ten.

I think (no I havent checked but I would be sure) if you look at the seasons top 20 results then Honda and Suzuki figure more prominently than KTM if you really want to pick at straws Smile
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kiwifan 3/26/2017 1:58pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Baja.
Zr0man wrote:
Only when Kawasaki bailed on Baja.
Honda was beating them back when they had the XR650R and Kawasaki was still racing their KX500 beast...
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Mm471 3/26/2017 2:09pm
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Yamaha had like 13 250s in the main this weekend also

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Dtat720 3/26/2017 2:55pm
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Is it really a win in marketing when you flood the market with bikes? I could have my own bike company and approach 5 teams and give them one heck of a deal to ride my bikes and make it look like my bikes are killing the competition. Same as KTM does. TLD was Honda for years, then KTM offered a deal Honda wouldnt match. The team is having pretty much the same results. Flashes of winning, lots of almosts. BTO on KTM now, mediocre results, same as before. There are only 2 KTM's worth noting.
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MXMattii 3/26/2017 2:59pm
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Dtat720 wrote:
Is it really a win in marketing when you flood the market with bikes? I could have my own bike company and approach 5 teams and...
Is it really a win in marketing when you flood the market with bikes? I could have my own bike company and approach 5 teams and give them one heck of a deal to ride my bikes and make it look like my bikes are killing the competition. Same as KTM does. TLD was Honda for years, then KTM offered a deal Honda wouldnt match. The team is having pretty much the same results. Flashes of winning, lots of almosts. BTO on KTM now, mediocre results, same as before. There are only 2 KTM's worth noting.
4 & 5th mediocre results? OK Weird way of looking at things.

PS: Wins from the '80 nor the '90 count really for the marketing teams. Because I don't see Honda use JM Bayle, JMcGrath wins to sell a brand new 450. Honda tries to use their legacy of building championships bikes but really footage of Ward to sell your 2017 bikes?

If I read some comments here I think some would like to see those brands selling their old models. Maybe Honda can re-introduce their CR250 1993 in 2017 because back then it was great! And maybe Kawasaki can re-introduce their KX500 1989 because back then it was great...
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JW381 3/26/2017 3:01pm
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I do see a lot of steel framed bikes running up front lately. Whatever that means.
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BobPA 3/26/2017 3:17pm
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doghouse wrote:
KTM still have to win everything for the next 20 years just to be even in win totals
Not if you count GNCC, Endurocross, Hare and Hound...
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doghouse 3/26/2017 4:00pm
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doghouse wrote:
KTM still have to win everything for the next 20 years just to be even in win totals
BobPA wrote:
Not if you count GNCC, Endurocross, Hare and Hound...
Yes, even if you count those
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Dtat720 3/26/2017 4:13pm
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Dtat720 wrote:
Is it really a win in marketing when you flood the market with bikes? I could have my own bike company and approach 5 teams and...
Is it really a win in marketing when you flood the market with bikes? I could have my own bike company and approach 5 teams and give them one heck of a deal to ride my bikes and make it look like my bikes are killing the competition. Same as KTM does. TLD was Honda for years, then KTM offered a deal Honda wouldnt match. The team is having pretty much the same results. Flashes of winning, lots of almosts. BTO on KTM now, mediocre results, same as before. There are only 2 KTM's worth noting.
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4 & 5th mediocre results? OK Weird way of looking at things. PS: Wins from the '80 nor the '90 count really for the marketing teams...
4 & 5th mediocre results? OK Weird way of looking at things.

PS: Wins from the '80 nor the '90 count really for the marketing teams. Because I don't see Honda use JM Bayle, JMcGrath wins to sell a brand new 450. Honda tries to use their legacy of building championships bikes but really footage of Ward to sell your 2017 bikes?

If I read some comments here I think some would like to see those brands selling their old models. Maybe Honda can re-introduce their CR250 1993 in 2017 because back then it was great! And maybe Kawasaki can re-introduce their KX500 1989 because back then it was great...
Those same riders were in the same positions last year on different bikes. Moving to KTM didnt make top 15 riders top 5 riders. It made top 5 riders top 5 riders and top 10 riders stayed top 10 riders with exception of Canard who has fallen off the map on the KTM. Moving to KTM has done zero for improved results for these riders.

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